How will Bob Schieffer handle the Presidential Debate tonight? Will he turn into Bernard Shaw?
As we know it's Bob Shieffer's turn to host a Presidential debate. This is the last one and with McCain trailing in the polls it could get very Ayery.
The veteran "Face the Nation" host won't telegraph what he will ask. But he said he will be seeking more details about their potential presidencies than have been evident so far.
Even though McCain has said he will bring up Ayers, if McCain changes his mind at the last minute because his negative ads have been dragging him down, will Shieffer take it upon himself to bring it up? Remember when Bernard Shaw did the work of Lee "The Boogie Man" Atwater for him by opening the debate with this horrendous question based on a hate ad?
“Governor, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for her killer?”
You know how sad the press corp. has been with the lack of "sound bytes" that have been produced by the first two Presidential debates. In 2003. Bob Somerby wrote that Schieffer lied about Al Gore dressing up as a farmer and stabbing Lieberman in the back:
I find it just remarkable that he would basically stab his old running-mate, Joe Lieberman, in the back in order to get himself back in the game. Because that’s clearly what he’s trying to do here is—now once again, Al Gore, who has either sought public office or held public office all his life, sees a chance, one more chance, to get back in the game.I remember in the 2000 campaign when he showed up at Face the Nation dressed as a farmer! I remember when he changed his—he was going to get out of the blue suits and stuff. Now it seems he just as easily changes his friends. I don’t know what impact this is going to have on Howard Dean but I suspect it’s not going to have a good impact on Al Gore.
Or will his relationship with the Bushies come into play?
Let’s remember what Schieffer told Kurtz about his close personal friendship with Bush:
KURTZ (1/13/03): During the ’90s, Schieffer also struck up a friendship with George W. Bush when his brother Tom—now the U.S. ambassador to Australia—became partners with the future president in the Texas Rangers. Bob and W. went to ball games together, played golf, attended spring training. “He’s a great guy—that doesn’t mean I agree with him,” says Schieffer, adding that the situation became “a little awkward” when Bush ran for the White House but that he’s never gotten favorable treatment.
That last claim is baldly inaccurate, and screams for a bit of correction. During Campaign 2000, Schieffer did, on several occasions, make notably odd remarks about Bush and Gore. We wouldn’t suggest that this was deliberate. But the record is hard to ignore.
Let's hope not...And how can we forget Wesley Clark.
UPDATE: Marcy Wheeler says:
But I'm guessing Schieffer won't let McCain make that choice--I'm guessing Schieffer will ask Obama about Ayers himself.
the Pukes' attack, and raises the question of John Timmons, tabed by the McCumstain campaign to be transition director, who actively lobbied for Saddam Hussein...
n/t
Obama should maintain his winning strategy of being calm cool and collected. He should remain above the fray, his coolness daring McCain to be the one to broach the subject. Thus if McCain does broach it, Obama can deal with him appropriately, if McCain doesn't bring it up, then McCain is a coward. Its win/win for Obama if he lets McCain start.
Obama should stay calm but I suspect Shieffer is going to try to screw him the way he screwed General Clark.
McCain is doing so poorly any objective handling of the debate would appear extremely biased towards Obama. Naturally a journalist of Schieffer's caliber wouldn't want to appear biased so he will actually be biased to favor McCain in order to seem unbiased.
.22 at most....22 short; if truth be told, he's got the caliber of a fucking bb...
I think Schieffer has actually been terribly disillusioned by the Bush administration. However, he has a big ol' crush on John McCain and I don't see how he's going to be able to be impartial.
Schieffer: Senator McCain welcome to our forum it is an honor to speak to you!
McCain: Thank you Bob and thank you for those tickets to the game!!
Schieffer: Oh and you boy, get off the stage...oh your Obama...uh...get me a coffee.
Isn't McCain the Real 'Chocolate Candidate'
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You post these irrelevant links in here all the time, and I still haven't laughed once after clicking on them.
On the other hand, I quite enjoy them. Different strokes, I guess....
Sheiffer is very clearly in the tank for McCain. I hope Obama stands up for himself and doesn't let Sheiffer cut him off when he's answering some spurious charge from McCain.
I think Shieffer may get the surprise of his life tonight.
for a certain senator's head to explode.
Don't worry - they'll have him so tanked on Elavil that it can't possibly occur. What we can count on occurring, however, is that his brain will be running at warp speed (translation: too fast for his mouth to catch up) and he will begin blabbering like an egomaniac which people abhor.
Personally, I find myself "tuning him out" when I hear him speaking. For starters, it's as borning and boiler plate as hell. Secondly, I'm embarrassed for this total "has been".
Pacing like a bull in a ring is one of the characteristics of a mood elevator. McCain's probably raiding Cindy's personal narc cabinet these days just in order to continue to function.
I even caught a glimpse of McStomper pacing around the stage behind Obama when Obama was answering one of the questions. I guess he forgot that he wasn't on the stump with his ethically-challenged running mate???
he'll be trotting tonight. That would be worth the price of admission!
Michael Dukakais is a great man but he flubbed that question. He could have answered it honestly and still come out looking good. Obama is a class above as a politician and communicator, his responses will be concise and directed to the voting public, not McCain or the base.
goodforthemonkey:
No kidding. He should have said, "No, Bernie. I would favor a revocable death penalty. We can put the killer to death, as long as we bring him back the next day."
Oh . . . wait . . . that wouldn't have worked.
But you're right. Dukakis missed the thrust of the question, which entailed whether he'd want his wife's rapist and killer put to death. He answered the question, "Do you favor the death penalty," and came off looking indifferent to his own wife's murder.
He could so easily have given an answer that let people know he was human. He could so easily have said, "Boy, I tell ya, I wouldn't have wanted him put to death by the state --- I'd want to kill the guy myself! And it'd be really hard to stick to my principles. But, you know, Bernie, that's why we have laws. That's why we have a civil society. That's why we come together to make rational and tough decisions in legislative forums, both passionately and objectively. I oppose the death penalty. For so many reasons, and let me explain . . . . ."
I certainly hope so. I think it's highly possible that Obama already knows precisely how he's going to respond, whether the inanity comes from InSane himself or the so called moderator. And given the way Obama has correctly postured himself so far --- even to my surprise, given it would not have been my instinct to take the high road this far --- I think he can pull it off.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
There's a perfectly logical answer to that question.
"Well Bernie, I'd have to say that if 'the government,' which my opponent paints as being unable to do virtually anything without screwing it up, were able to convince me that the man was guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and was not just some random black guy they scooped up and railroaded, then yeah...fry the bastard."
I've never been able to figure out why neo-cons, who constantly bloviate about the inneffectiveness of government, suddenly think it's infallible when it comes to determining guilt in a capitol case.
John Doheny (not verified):
They don't. In fact, they're pretty sure it is fallible.
Because what they do is presume guilt, and see the system as nothing but an obstacle to their vengeance. So, when they fight for the death penalty, they're fighting against the system altogether ― the trials and the appeals.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
How do you answer "have you stopped beating your wife?". Same freaking question.
Actually the correct question is, "When did you stop beating your wife?"
That is the definition of a loaded question.
casper46:
Well, it's not quite the same question. Sanders didn't ask Dukakis what to do now that he himself had raped and murdered his wife.
It was a (stupid) question designed to appeal to people's emotions by testing whether Dukakis would stick to his principles if someone close to him were killed. It's not a fair question, but it doesn't linguistically assume anything simply by asking the question. And it could be answered in a politically savvy manner.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
It was not a fair question because there was no equivalent question that Shaw could have asked Bush I. However, I do agree with the above posters that Dukakis could have provided a much better response. I like Karen's in particular. I am sure Dukakis himself has thought of something similar many times over the past 20 years. And I am sure Shaw regrets how that one question was one of many dominoes falling that has contributed to our current US mess.
I remember that question. My jaw just hung open. I think Dukakis answered it about as well as he could have, given that he had absolutely no idea it or anything like it was coming. Remember that it was a different time, when debates were about things that came within a country mile of the issues, and moderators didn't think their job was to "help" the country "get to know" the candidates. I'm not trying to sugarcoat it too much, but still, it's amazing how things have fallen.
"Even though McCain has said he will bring up Ayers, if McCain changes his mind at the last minute because his negative ads have been dragging him down, will Shieffer take it upon himself to bring it up?"
Is there any doubt?
A little less likely is a question like this: "Senator Obama, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor the death penalty for her attacker?"
But that's still within the realm of possibility.
Obama should just comeback and ask Schieffer ...
" If your brother Tom -who was appointed by George W. Bush as ambassador to Autralia after co-owning the Texas Rangers with the president who has endorsed my opponent John McCain - had raped and murdered Kitty Dukakis, would you favor the death penalty for Tom ? "
How about "Senator Obama, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered in Alaska, would Gov. Dukakis still have to pay for the rape kit,since Gov. Palin makes victims pay for their own rape kits in that state?"
If Bob Schieffer's "Bushism" becomes apparent, the connection between the disastrous last 8 years and John McCain becomes even more apparent.
I think if Schieffer steps out of line in any way, he tanks McCain further down the tubes.
No matter how many handoffs the moderator gives McDopey, he'll fumble. Cuz Obama will hit him with his toothy, words-coming-out-of-his-mouth, speaking English, presidential-tackling debating skills.
During the Republican convention, I saw Shieffer grinning like an idiot while Mooseburger was delivering her snarky, hate-filled speech. He wasn't just amused, he had a look on genuine pleasure on his face. It was that obvious. Clearly Shieffer was totally was unaware one of the rival network's cameras were on him.
For the good of the country turn this back over to the League of Woman Voters.
Include anyone who is on the ballot in any state or maybe three states at most.
These are most certainly are not debates just infomercials.
Infomercials for the two factions of the war party.
is stay on the script given to him by his CORPORATE producers.
Yes, we all noticed Bob Schieffer grinning like a pig in slop when Miss Piggy was doing her imitation of a pitbull in heat. Bob Schieffer looked like he was in heat also.
Everyone knows that Bob Schieffer's a RNC shill - without any personal credibility or integrity at this point.
Besides, when it's coming down to the Third Round and your guy is 0 for 2, nothing Schieffer can do help McCain's lurching and flailing.
It's gotten to the point where John McCain is so far over the edge that he can't even help himself any longer.
Since when is Schieffer a Bush apologist?
Other than the fact that they'll be seated, does anyone know of any interesting twists on the rules for tonight's debate?
"Senator McCain, when did you stop calling your wife a c**t?",
would be my first question.
(Before you tear me one... Remember he called her that awful word.)
doing the same stuff we know damn well is what we shouldn't be doing?
This just in: Cheney has been rushed to the hospital Word is they plan to install a heart.
The heart will reject HIM.
Obama can handle this. He's not only a good speaker, he's a good listener. He'll do just fine.
He will be much more comfortable with McCain than McCain will be with him. During the last debate, when McCain was speaking Obama, looked at him and listened to what he was saying. The only difference tonight is Obama won't have to get dizzy as he watches McCain wander all over the place.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
What we're witnessing with each passing day is the law of cause and effect. With every negative attack launched by the McCain camp, Obama's numbers soar even higher. With every misstep, ruse, and "stunt" by McPappy, he loses more Independents. At this point, all McCain has left is his rabid base - those 23%ers who still support George Bush.
The law of cause & effect is catching up with McCain & Palin. Now they're sending her off to not one but two high schools to attempt to repair her disgusting national image. Nothing can help this nasty, evil woman at this point - nothing at all.
What's more we will see her returning to Alaska when she loses where there is a recall movement in process to remove her from her Governorship. Add to that the multi million dollar lawsuits which are hitting both Palins right now and I think we're going to witness a total Palin breakdown.
Speaking of microcosms which seems to be the only word Palin knows these days, the real microcosm of american seems to rest with the Independent voters this election.
And what we're witnessing is that Obama's nearing a 20 point lead with Independents nationwide.
I believe that following tonight's debate, there will be no one left fence sitting. Obama will sweep this election by at least 20 points.
According to yesterday's WNYT/ABC (or was it CBS?) poll, Obama's leading by 14 right now in the Poll of Polls.
I guess since John McCain doesn't really want the job because he's so inept at even thinking about handling it, this is what he meant when he said "we've got 'em right where we want 'em"???? Foregone conclusion based on those words I guess?
I think the big issue here is that Obama is trying to demostrate that McCain is just like Bush.
The more that McCain acts like Karl Rove and Bush the more people are willing to accept Obama's argument that Bush and McCain are two peas in a pod.
The McCain campaign is proving the point.
your right. mccain/Palin is four more yrs. of BUSH/cheney. this has been the strategy all along and we need to
continue that drum beat. i hope to hear that relationship between BUSH and mccain brought up again tonight.
General Electric Co. (80%)ownership sponsoring this one or Pacifica?
"Anheuser-Busch, Bottled Water Lobby Sponsor Presidential Debate
On Wednesday, Obama and McCain will meet for their final debate before the election here in New York at Hofstra University. No third party candidate has been invited to participate. The New York Times reports sponsors of Wednesday’s debate include the beer giant Anheuser-Busch; the International Bottled Water Association; and EDS, a subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard."
One of the AB's regulations is that there always HAS to be a debate in St. Louis...
Oh thats right. Now the debates are a vehicle to sell more Budweiser beer okay elementary.
Since 1987 actually ...
its not as if any of the candidates have any ties to Anheieser Bu$h ...?
Ya have to laugh.
I, too, have been disturbed by Bob Schieffer's bias on "Face the Nation." I suspect tonight he will be more guarded since the entire media and pundocracy will be weighing in on his performance. He doesn't impress me as a risk taker, but someone that will play it safe. People like Bob are cowards. They slip in a gotcha when they can, but don't have the guts to do much more. If he comes off as totally in the tank for McCain, his associations will be scrutinized.
Well what you expect of people who exist within the circle of the top 1% like Schieffer.
Honesty? Looking out for the bottom 99%?
Consider the source, as they say. Everyone knows that Schieffer's a lockstepping Bush a$$ licker so expect him to act like nothing else and you won't be surprised.
The last time I saw Obama on Schieffer's show, Obama was calm as could be. When Schieffer asked him an edgy question Obama just smiled that great smile and proceeded to answer it in such a way that Schieffer had no where else to go with it.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I was convinced Brokaw would focus on trivia and wedge issues in the last deabte. To my surprise he actually spent considerable time on the issues that matter - economy, energy, foreign policy. That benefited Obama.
Tonight...
This is the last chance for McCain to cast doubt over Obama in front of a national audience. Whenever he goes negative his voter ratings take a nosedive. He needs the moderator to that. You'll know for certain if Bob Shieffer is a GOP/McCain Media whore if he personally brings up Ayres, ACORN, Rev. Wright, etc. I have no doubt he will bring up Stem Cells, Abortion, because nobody else has during these debates.
Understandable with the third and final debate looking like it will result in a TKO for Obama, the McCain camp is fighting for it's life.
Unfortunately, you can't enter the ring with a washed up, broken down, cancer-ridden 73 year old whose mind tetters on dementia and think that you have a chance.
But then again, these people deal in pure fiction and fantasy anyway so it's a case of "ignorance is bliss". Karl Rove, one of the leaders of Camp McCain must be "blissed out" these days.
Schieffer thinks being shot down in a fighter plane is a qualification to become president..
There was a 5 and a half years time when John McCain couldn't be in a debate. He was in a hole. *POW*
I am certainly not one of those Obama true believer types but IMO Obama, even if asked a bullshit question from a bullshit moderator, is smart enough and articulate enough to wtfpwn.
I guess this means that Bob will not burden Ol Man McCain with superfluous questions since all we need to know about him is his inability to lift his arms over his head due to his stay at the Hanoi Hilton, although perhaps we will need to be reminded that our hero had no kitchen table there.
I think I figured out why the old guard MSM are so blatantly pro-McCain. An Obama presidency will be so fresh, new, and promising, that there will be no room for their Bohemian Grove chumminess.
And the Bloggers shall inherit the world! Yeah!!!! Long live the Cheeto Nation!!! Although I prefer tamari-flavored tortilla chips!!!
and an Obama presidency is the ONLY way this country survives another day. George Bush has destroyed it all - hook, line and sinker. More of Bush will simply seal this country's fate and we will be destroyed from within. It's already occurring - just like every business he touched, Bush has finally destroyed this country as well. We had it coming for permitting this fool to steal two elections.
I remember watching a PBS show called Chicago Tonight a number of years ago when Schiffer said that "George W. Bush is a well read man". It was on WTTW, Channel 11 in Chicago, and it was right before we invaded Iraq. I remember how appalling the statement was, on line with Friedman's "suck on this" comment (which was also around the same time, except on Charlie Rose).
I don't trust Schiffer. Despite everything going on in the world, I still believe there's a handful of MSMers would like to see another 4 years of Bush/McCain, and Schiffer is one of them.
and the other in the grave. The youth of america is laughing their butts off at these old windbags and fat, bald men who pretend that they have half a brain.
Windbags - old, decaying windbags.
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I might watch this debate is to time how long it will take Me to roll on the floor in laughter and switch it off.McShame will pull out every lie and non-issue that has been beat to death,and hasn't worked.Every stop will be pulled and He'll end up looking like a desperate old fool. It's over. Unless of course The Thugs bomb the election and US,which is not unthinkable.
I'm rolling on the floor right now thinking about how we've heard McCain's lies and egomaniacal blather and detritus so much that we know it now better than he does. I'll bet we could write up what he will say tonight right now and not miss a beat.
This man has had not the first creative thought in his addled brain for years. He parades around the stage looking like he's got a sore a$$ and can't be still. McCain literally "becomes the chaos" he's trying to convince us that he can handle at every one of his appearances. He's jumpy and lurching in all directions which is precisely the way we've seen him act during this crisis. A lurching, unstable old geyser who has to remind us about how "he knows" and "he can fix it" about twenty times in each debate.
Let's take bets on how many times we'll hear this broken record reiterate these now-famous words: "I know all about it"...."I can fix it"....shall we?
I'm putting bets on it being 12 times myself....
Since all he seems to be able to tell us is that "he knows how to fix it" and "I know all about it", then the obvious question from middle america now is this 'THEN WHY THE HELL HAVEN'T YOU DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT IN YOUR 26 YEARS IN CONGRESS??".
Each time he repeats these phrases, he reminds another voter of how little he has accomplished for the people.
Each time he pats himself on the back with "knowing something others don't know", it works in reverse and reminds us, again, how he was George Bush's #1 pimp and cheerleader in usurping our constitutional rights.
Do any of his handlers have a brain at this point? I think not. Repeating these phrases only makes people come to the obvious conclusion: If you knew then what you know now, then where the hell were you all these decades in congress??
He should ask McCain about this:
"McCain knows, in his gut, that he put somebody unqualified on the ballot. When this race
is over that is something he will have to live with... He put the country at risk, he knows that."
-- -Matthew Dodd, chief strategist for W's reelection campaign
Country first. LOL.
Everyone within the GOP knows the obvious: Putting an airhead on your ticket and then hiding her from the press so she's not totally eviscerated was the single largest mistake made by John McCain to date and will cost him this election. The GOP scapegoat will be Sarah Palin.
However, what else this makes clear to every american is the fact that John McCain, in his "Palin Stunt" has put the entire country at serious risk. Sarah Palin is our worst nightmare since McCain's health is in serious question. The question of national security becomes raised in McCain's direction and works against him tremendously when you discuss his Palin Factor.
It's clear that Palin is a dire threat to this nation's national security both from the acute level of incompetence which we've all witnessed (seeing Russia from Alaska - WTF??) as well as her Secessionist Party ties. It's clear that the agenda of the AIP is to "infiltrate (their own mission statement) the levels of the US Government from within". Enter Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin has become a "human mushroom cloud" to this country - totally toxic to the future of this country.
He needs to hammer McCain on the Saddam lobbyist, Keating, Troopergate, but most of all, the G.I Bill. I've been constantly frustrated by him not brining this up. McCain has absolutely no defense, and it plays negatively for him in Virginia. No excuses. This HAS to be Obama's SLAM DUNK moment tonight. It's another missed opportunity if he doesn't.
How will McCain respond to the Stock Market tanking today? The Dow is down 550 at the moment.
"My friends better days are ahead. In fact they are already here my friends. And that guy over there wants to raise your taxes my friends.
Look at gasoline my friends. $2.60 a gal now. Did that over there do that?
No my friends he did not. It's the result of market forces naturally making everything better. My friends why put someone new on the tiller while everything is now good?"
Yep, i think you nailed it.
Don't know where the heck you live but gasoline in my state is still over $3.00 a gallon.
He'll cancel the debate and rush back to DC to "fix" it. (Har, har.)
Isn't Bob the one who, during an interview with someone who said that McCain's being an ex-POW is not enough to qualify him to be president, and (Bob) said, in an incredulous tone, "REALLY???"
I might be wrong, someone will let me know...
jk
It was General Wes Clark and Schieffer made the comment something like, Don't you think someone being shot down in a plane qualifies him to be president. To which General Clark responded in the negative.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Exactly. He interviewed Wes Clark who argued that just being shot down in a fighter jet doesnt qualify him to be president and Schieffer responded incredulously "Really?" like he couldnt believe his ears. That interview was like Clark were debating a McCain spokesperson
David Brooks
"I thought McCain really hit a home run. Or like a guy slamming a hockey puck at the last second from center ring to win the game. Or one of those cliffhangers where the teams first and goal, it's the superbowl, and everyone is screaming real loud. McCain steps out of the huddle, takes the snap, twirls around two times then crashes his way straight through a defensive wall. One exciting performance.
Mark Shields
"I was less impressed. He could have ran the ball around a while longer before making such a quick judgment to score by ramming through the defense. It's like an Indy Car driver. You kind of sit back three or four cars till the final lap, then using your superior mind you wait for the exact perfect moment to make your move. I see a tie game from this one."
the generation between "the greatest" and the boomers? They sure have been disappointing these past few years (at least the gasbags on TV and those like McLame, LIEbermann, etc.)
I expect Shieffer throw nothing but softballs as McCain and really hammer Obama. That much, should be obvious. What I think will happen is Obama will, once again handle himself brilliantly and McCain will completely come unglued. McCain will probably have a temper tantrum right there in front of national television.
Let them bring up Ayers and Wright. Especially Wright. While the way Wright delivers alot of his ideas is definitely scary to whitebread outsiders, alot of the stuff he says is not exactly propaganda or lies (i.e. the three strikes laws were indeed deemed racist and have been overturned in some areas) and it also leaves the McCain camp in a quandry as to whether they are trying to scare their fundamentalist base over that Obama is a Muslim or whether he believes in the ideas of his CHURCH, you can't have it both ways. If he's down with radical islam then it's unlikely he would've sat for 20 years in church pews. Both of these guys are old news, esp Wright. We sat through endless loops of those video outtakes earlier this year. That to me speaks alot about Obama's background as you know the repubs were digging pretty deep in some garbage cans over the past six months and if all they got at this point is this old crap Obama's looking fairly good to me.
Americans have turned the corner on the blight of old politicos. Obama has taken the high road and has never stopped to the gutterball tactics of the McCain daily circus. America has watched Obama assume the presidency in every respect already - wise, calm, and addressing the realities not hyperbole and smears which he could easily have done; in fact, for every smear against Obama, the Obama camp could have outed triple the dirt on McCain. But he chose the high road which is clearly the path out of the wilderness which americans must take if we are to survive the damage of the Bush administration.
By doing so, Obama has "become" the president in all but the official title. This we're seeing in the polls and swing states.
McCain's lurching in all directions trying to hitch himself to s passing star and all that he's doing is making us all dizzy and able to conclude that he's incompetent, incoherent on the things that matter, and totally passe. McCain's old school dirty politics in it's most essential form.
We haven't had a president for the past two months to guide us; Obama has stepped in and won the respect and support of middle america. That's why McCain's losing the fight.
Obama has "become" the president by his presidential reactions and responses; McCain has become "Bush" in every respect of the word.
So far:
tiller
maverick
I know how to find/fix
Hanoi
[Obama] will raise your taxes
My friends
POW
prisoner(s) (Two chugs for "My fellow prisoners)
inexperienced
(Chugalug the entire bottle if he uses a racial slur.)
but only take a sip or you'll be benched early
Do you think McCain will mention Palin's name tonight?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
POP
Other than to the Brownshirt base, why would McCain mention Bible Spice to anyone outside of that camp?
I will fight for you
lower taxes for everyone
and ( this one will will have everyone tanked 20 minutes into the debate)
MY FRIENDS
What I see as important tonite is that mcsame makes no headwaya and even loses ground. Reason;Obama has oto have a substantial lead for the possibility of voter machine and count fraud to be soooooooo obvious that the repugs stand down on their evil election deeds. Bradblog and gregpalast.com give fears that enough voters have been disenfranchised already to swing the vote, but I sure as hell hope not.
If Obama is up 15 points or more in polling then there can be no question that he wins even with the shit they pulled the last two elections.
Then you can relax because Obama is ten times the speaker McCain ever was and McCain is looking more and more like waxed fruit every day.
McCain: Bob, for five and a half years I couldn't ______________
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"... call my wife the c-word. them Viet-kooks wouldn't allow me to send any snailmail (the only kind I know of)."
Schieefer likes McCain as a person but he will be professional. Obama won't be as stupid as Dukakis was in answering Shaw's question (it was actually a softball question that Dukakis should have knocked out of the park by only showing some emotion -seeing it again only reminds me what a bloodless candidate he was). All Obama has to do is act cool and run out the clock.
"Thank you Bob, my friend. My friends it's about judgment and character. That over there my friends isn't the experienced hand. The kind of hands my friends you want on the tiller. My friends look at my experience, me and Joe Lieberman. The stuff we do together my friends me and Joe, fighting corruption in Washington, steering the tiller, keeping us strong my friends. This is the kind of leadership you want on the tiller"
Obama pulling ahead now is a good thing when it comes to those who haven't decided yet. Most people want to go with a winner so if they see Obama leading they may well figure that he's the winner to go with.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I'm not a regular watcher of FTN, but based on the commentaries he's done that were posted on this site (do a site search) and a few interviews I've seen on TV, Schieffer seems like a pretty fair-minded guy to me.
And as far as being a Bushie, he's been pretty critical of FEMA, torture, flag-pin pushers and has cited Edward R. Murrow in some of his criticisms, so I'd have some doubts about that.
He seems pretty old school journalism to me, and even if he were in it for Bush/McCain, I doubt he would be as sloppy a journalist as Bernard Shaw.
It goes without saying that Bob Schieffer has done some positive things, even fair speak during his career. But a card-carrying Republican he also is.
Just as many careers have become "collateral damage" of John McCain's recklessness, Bob Schieffer has the opportunity to chisel his legacy into stone tonight by being the "fairness" americans desire to see.
Essentially, his legacy will be solidified tonight by his actons.
Bob Schieffer has done some positive things??????????
PLEASE NAME ONE!
all bob has ever done was wait while better CBS journalists died off or retired.
I guess you don't know, do you?
search the archives, my friend.
On the one hand, referring to us as "my fellow prisoners" was truer than we thought - as in fact, thanks to the Bush/McCain ideology and failed policies, we've become prisoners in our own country. So perhaps it was a Freudian slip?
What I truly believe, however, is that McCain's handlers had to tell him about his faux pas. I don't think McCain is ever totally "present" due his PTSD. I'm sure he never realized that he's said it.
I think we should remember what Schieffer did to our friend Wes Clark. Obama dare not criticize John McCain. After all he is a POW.
Bob Schieffer is a golfing buddy of Bush''s.
from 2004:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh101304.shtml
But just remember who Bob Schieffer is when you hear these prophets chant their mantra. Bob Schieffer comes from Texas, and he tends to root for pols from that part of the country. And, according to what he told Larry King, he isn't too high on those "northeastern" swells. More remarkably, he's a long-time personal friend of George Bush—and Bush will be one of the evening's two candidates! Indeed, Schieffer used to play golf with Bush. He used to go to ball games with Bush. The two men even went to spring training together, according to Howard Kurtz's well-ignored profile! And Schieffer's brother, Tom Schieffer, is a long-time, close business associate of Bush. Indeed, after Bush found his way to to the White House, Tom Schieffer slept in the Lincoln Bedroom! Today he serves as U.S. ambassador to Australia. Family friend Bush sent him there. [...]
FAVORABLE TREATMENT: Let's remember what Schieffer told Kurtz about his close personal friendship with Bush:
That last claim is baldly inaccurate, and screams for a bit of correction. During Campaign 2000, Schieffer did, on several occasions, make notably odd remarks about Bush and Gore. We wouldn't suggest that this was deliberate. But the record is hard to ignore.
Is Bob Schieffer driven by liberal bias? In July 2000, he and his Face the Nation co-host, Gloria Borger, appeared together on the cable show, Russert. Their discussion of Bush's visit to Bob Jones University was one of the oddest of the campaign. Sorry—no one could seriously think that these remarks were made in good faith—unless the pair were gripped by a pro-Bush bias so deep that it somehow surpassed all understanding.
Meanwhile, Schieffer's hostility toward Gore became plain in a remarkable radio session last year. Yes, the Texas-lovin' buddy-of-Bush had offered odd remarks about Candidate Gore as early as June 1999 (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 7/23/99). But in December 2003, his remarks about Gore on a DC radio program went about as far afield as any we have ever heard a network anchor make. His statements were nasty and absurdly gratuitous—and they were blatantly, baldly inaccurate (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 12/13/03). Let's say it again—we can't think of another time when a broadcaster of Schieffer's stature made so absurd, inaccurate and nasty a statement. Go ahead and reread those remarks. See if you are able to spot the Texan's rank liberal bias.
We assume that Schieffer will do a good job tonight. But Schieffer is a long-time friend of Bush—and yes, he has played dumb for Bush in the past. Press and pundits all know not to tell you about the gentleman's close ties to Bush. But don't worry! Somewhere, some scribes will watch Schieffer tonight and he'll recite holy words—Liberal bias!
WHO IS TOM SCHIEFFER: We're sure that Tom Schieffer is a decent guy. But make no mistake—Tom Schieffer was a major player in the Texas Rangers, and he's a major friend of Bush's. During the 2000 primaries, David Brooks provided some background in the Weekly Standard:
For the record, Tom Schieffer is Texas Big Bucks. Meanwhile, Brooks makes it sound like Bush and Schieffer played good cop-bad cop in running the Rangers. When they fired manager Bobby Valentine, "Valentine left the room enthusiastic about Bush, but he went out to the media and blasted team president Tom Schieffer. 'I didn't get that kind of human touch from Schieffer,' Valentine says." It was even worse when the Rangers dumped Rafael Palmeiro:
None other than Dirty Dick Cheney.
Schieffer is Brit Hume. A heavy, phelgmatic facial expression masking a corporate agenda that always favors the Republican party.
Even so, I fully expect Barack Obama to dominate tonight's "debate."
The correct was "I would set him free and hunt the bastard down like the dawg that he is. And when I found him, I would pull out my 45 Smith and Wesson and blow off his Mutha Fracken head"
The Willie Horton question from a black american! I truly hated shaw after that. As a black american I hated him.
This character Bob belongs in a nursing home the same as McCain and Brokaw. He is a big time Texas republican and no doubt takes his orders from Rove. He will do everything possible to throw zingers at Obama to try and revive McCain's non campaign. Shieffer doesn't fool anybody with his crap nor does it go unnoticed that his brother is a big time Bush/Cheney suck-up. My hope is that he will screw-up similar to Brokaw with many senior moments causing him to get confused about all the prearranged zingers he has for Obama.
Fight!
What I am wondering is will Bob Schieffer allow McCain and Obama to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran? I have heard McCain say that Iran is developing nuclear weapons during the debate and on Chris Matthews Hardball and George Stephanapolous This Week. Every time I have heard him repeat this not one journalist has challenged him. For the first time several Sundays ago on Face the Nation Obama said “Iran IS developing nuclear weapons”. Bob Schieffer let this very serious and inaccurate claim slide by. No challenges. When will Schieffer, Chris Matthews, Stephanpolous, Tom Brokaw, Gwen Ifill, challenge these inaccurate and inflammatory statements? When will any of these journalist and candidates draw their information about Iran from the latest National Intelligence Estimate on Iran or from the Iaea instead of from the Aipac website or Senator Lieberan?
Will Bob Schieffer allow McCain to repeat the often repeated and false statement that Lieberman, Kristol, Palin, McCain and others have promoted for quite some time. The false claim that Iranian President Ahamadinejad said that “Israel should be wiped off the map”. Will Bob Schieffer allow this very dangerous and inflammatory statement to be repeated without a challenge?
Professor Juan Cole has debunked this alleged statement.
http://www.juancole.com/2006/0.....chens.html
“But the actual quote, which comes from an old speech of Khomeini, does not imply military action, or killing anyone at all. The second reason is that it is just an inexact translation. The phrase is almost metaphysical. He quoted Khomeini that “the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time.” It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks.”
Will FACT Check or any of the other groups who look into the facts challenge these false statements after the debate.
If I had a million bucks I would bet that one of the most critical issues in the middle east the occupation of Palestinian lands, the Wall being built on Palestinian land and illegal settlements will not come up tonight. This serious issue and one of the root causes for the violence and anger that people in the middle east feel towards American and America is based on this issue. SHHHH let’s not talk about it
I'll wait and see. I believe Obama will be ready for anything.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
All anyone can do at present in conjecture. I say, keep sending your positive vibes into the ether. Christians do that with prayer. The rest of us can do it with a positive attitude, and message, and maintain our integrity. That's what Obama would want. YES we can!! Don't let anyone convince you otherwise!
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
incredible, will this shit ever cease. Bernard's question of Dukakis was tantamount to asking someone who is not opposed to interratial marriage, ...Sir, would your views change if it were your sister or daughter who was going to marry an African American or substitute the N word. this is supposed to be a bright guy, but here he is electing to play in the muck. Yuck.
okay, now all together, can you spell MEDIA WHORE? THESE people will stop at nothing to achieve their 15 minutes. don't believe me? ask david gregory how he sold out.
actually when bob schieffer was promoted to his present position, i had real misgivings based on his older bush one friendships. I watched determined to detect some right wing bias, but i admit, he was pretty fair in delivering the news. As the father who coaches his son's team, i expect that schieffer will be more than fair as the moderator.
I could be wrong (as the monk theme song goes), but I don't think so.
It doesn't matter what schieffer does. McCain seems hell bent on self destruction.
What a Retard!
He's going to throw the election while playing to the base that would vote for him anyway.
While you're at it John .... get some last minute instructions from F**ktard Sean Hannity on how to conduct yourself at the debate tonight. His advice should help you make a complete ass of yourself (not that you need much help).
That way when you wake up tomorrow you won't have to worry about that pesky campaign thing anymore!
It'll be over for you!
The Dukakis controversy was a supremely idiotic episode that kept being peddled over and over like an organ grinder (i.e. the Media). Despite capital punishment being utterly ineffective, he's chastised for being rational and not succumbing to knee-jerk emotions? This is an example of the trademark stupidity that the general public exemplifies in political discourse.
it's kindof sad that McCain and Palin have lowered people's standards so far that, when they finally manage to put whole sentences together during their debates suddenly they either "tie" or "are really making strides in their campaign" Between the two of them, they've got the pity vote locked away for sure. As for their actual competancy....
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