Made To Look Like A Coward, McCain Now Says He'll Bring Up Ayers In Third Debate
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Oct 15, 2008 6:45am
If there's one thing the hot headed Senator from Arizona won't let stand, it's being called (and proven to be) a coward. McCain can't let the Ayers issue go because his ego and temper won't allow him. If I were advising him, I would tell him to stay clear of Ayers. But as someone who wants to see his campaign go down in flames for the good of the country, I think he should go full steam ahead -- the polls show this is a losing issue for him and playing the Ayers card at the third and final debate could seal the deal for Obama:
John McCain said Tuesday that Barack Obama is “probably ensured” that his association with 1960s radical William Ayers will come up in Wednesday’s debate.
“I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised that I didn’t have the guts” to bring up Ayers, McCain said on KMOX, a St. Louis radio station.
“I think he is probably ensured that it will come up this time.”
As for Obama? Cool as the other side of the pillow:
“I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days, that he wasn't willing to say it to my face,” Obama said. “But I guess we've got one last debate. So presumably, if he ends up feeling that he needs to, he will raise it during the debate.” Read on...
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I have to admit - I'm scared about Jesse Jackson's comments at that international event - might lose Obama some votes and may become amplified in the press.
They already kicked Jackson to the curb and distanced themselves (he wants someone to cut Obama's nuts off!) and Jesse is like Bill Clinton - they don't really want Obama to win.
Maybe they will sneak attack him at the debate with it so he can just address it head on?
Man - Jesse really has a knack of putting his foot in his mouth.
.jesse who?
you mean the jesse jackson who said he wants to cut obama's nuts off?
him running his mouth is a good thing for obama, it gives him a chance to distance himself.
I guess that's why President Clinton has been taking time out of his own life to campaign for Sen Obama. Because he wants him to lose.
/wtf?
Can you put Palin in that pine box with you before you hit the final nail? For the good of our country...
You mean as-sured, not en-sured, right?
Or have I temporarily forgotten how to speak English?
Why McCain's 'Ayers Strategy' REALLY Backfired in PA
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=3994
Bring it up. Bring up Wright too. I want to see Obama's lead increase and solidify and that is probably all that is left to do it. The polls are showing the negativity is hurting McCain badly (That and choosing Palin, which is about the same thing).
Wasn't it McCain that chastised O for telling the enemy his plans in advance of an attack?
Don't count Grampy out! This is a smokescreen until the debate, when he'll ask Obama about his relationship with Osama bin Laden instead!
Where the heck did Vicky Iseman go?!! She's still McCain's steady gal, right?
He must have gotten her a nice house to hide out in until after the election. Kinda like what John Edwards did with his Baby Mama.
Nobody prosecuted McWhatDoYouWantToKnow for talking to the Vietcong, which was far worse because US planes got shot down.
The fact that several U.S. enlisted men released in the late 60s after years of captivity and torture by the Viet Cong were in fact court-martialed for their actions/words stands in stark contrast to how Songbird McAdmiral'sSon was treated upon his release.
and i still want to know when the public will become aware of the FACT that , the hairbrain middie mcCain started the fire on the USS Forrestal that ended in the deaths of 150 sailors{he was the first one removed from the ship} knowing the crew would surly had murdered him in his sleep
This Ayer's controversy is a joke. Same goes for ACORN. This is all they have? One mention of Liddy should take care of Mccain. And the video of McSame ENDORSING Acorn is priceless. Bye Grumpy Grandpa!
Brilliantly played by Obama. This shows how Sen. Obama has near total control of his campaign, and as a result, great conrtol over the entire process and is able to bait McCain into making a huge mistake in the last debate.
The fact that McCain seems stupid enough to engage on an issue which has not worked for him, and has caused his poll numbers to crater is yet another example of McCain being not ready to lead.
Grandpa is a cornered rat who will try anything at this point, but he is going to lose on all fronts with this fake, desperate, Bill Ayers bullshit. If it were truly an important issue advantageous to his comatose campaign, Grandpa would had quickly brought it up during last week's critical debate.
McShame would be an idiot to bring it up. Maybe he will be talking about something else and then wipe his his hand over his mouth and say under his breath "bill ayers" (try it yourself right now) and move on to something else. Yeah, like Obama doesn't have a response all ready. I would guess Obama has a measured response that will not be in your face over the top. Obama has always made good judgment calls in these type of situations. McCan't won't bring it up.
You just know that Obama is loaded for bear on this one...if he were debating Palin I would have said loaded for moose.
Since McCain's BFF Bob Schieffer is moderator for this debate, he'll probably bring it up for McCain and in such a way that it favors McCain.
Senator McCain, the Ameican people feel they can't trust a candidate who pals around for years with a known domestic terrorist. How do you feel about such a candidate?
"Senator McCain, the Ameican people feel they can't trust a candidate who pals around for years with a known domestic terrorist. How do you feel about such a candidate?"
"My friends, my good friend G. Gordon Liddy and I would totally agree that supporting such a candidate is not good..."
but, seriously, Barack is smarter and more savvy than McGoo and Bob put together.
McCain's statement:
“I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised that I didn’t have the guts(to bring up Ayers).I think he is probably ensured that it will come up this time.”
What this clearly demonstrates is an emotional maturity level of a 10 yr-old. McCain, like George W., has spent his entire life trying to prove to his Daddy that he is "somebody." He was, and is, a bully, a prevaricator, and a terribly insecure man.
The thought of either McGoo or Miss Sarah controlling the decision-making for our near-term future scares the crap out of me!
If I could ask McCain one question about this issue, I'd ask him why is it that when pressed about his Keating Five associations he brushes it off by saying that it was 'bad judgement' on his part.
So, why can't he give Obama the same respect? And I'm not even saying it was bad judgement on Obama's part. Everyone knows that by the time Obama was working on a committee with Ayers, Ayers was a contributing member to the education movement in Chicago.
Why, oh why, Senator McCain is it ok for YOU to have bad judgment but you can't extend the same courtesy to anyone else? (oh...well...seems you extend this to your running mate too because lord knows she's had some pretty bad judgement in her past and present as well).
I have election fatigue. I just can't wait til this is over.
No fatigue here. We get a debate tonight and lots more to talk about tomorrow. Along with Obama rising in the polls and McCain helping him even more between now and November 4.
Oh noes! Obama will never see this coming! He'll be caught flat-footed on a national stage and go down in flames!!!
Someone must warn Obama or we're all doomed! Please!! Won't somebody do something?!?!?
And I LOVE that particular picture of mcsame used here.
After years of deaths - tens of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, some people tried to do something about it.
Congress was doing nothing. It was similar to today's inaction by the congress.
Ayres was one of those who tried to do something.
Bombing government buildings without injuring people was one way.
I am not recommending it, but civil disobedience is a part of the American character - from the Boston Tea Party to Selma.
I fully expect Obama to throw him under the bus with the Reverend Wright.
I'm of the mind that more death is probably the right answer. There's got to be somebody out there who deserves having our democracy spread all over them.
On target.
Tony Romo in Vegas, Micky Mouse in Orlando, and Jimmy Johns in Columbus will not be swayed by attacks on great Americans like Bill Ayers.
This is going to be interesting tonight as the candidates will be seated facing one another. McCain is going to have to look Senator Obama in the face. It's one thing to talk about someone who is in the room with you, but it's another to be speaking to them face to face.
Sideways.
Facing the back of the stage.
And if the chairs have wheels, while Obama is speaking we'll see McCain in the background rolling around all over the stage.
This will probably be the most interesting thing about tonight's debate. I wonder if McCane has been practicing with a black opponent just so he can try to get the capacity to tolerate a black man in close proximity?
It surely will be interesting to watch. Talk about body language.
With the rabid delusional repugnacan base the only people still thinking the Ayers story has merit I would think bringing it up tonight is political suicide. So I hope McCain brings it up.
Jesse Jackson doesn't care about anybody except Jesse Jackson. He was a joke in the Chicagoland area until the 24hr news cycle was born and nonsense was added as filler.
Obama should be ready to throw the terrorist connection right back in McHussein's face.
Why aren't I seeing the McCain lobbyist/Saddam connection in the MSM?
I know, dumb question but seriously the only place I've seen it is here.
....that other Hussein, McCain's "pal" Saddam.
Barak Hussein Obama.
I just can't believe liberals are so care free about Obama's association with Ayers, Wright, etc...
Guess you can be best friends with Hitler and be a Democrat Presidential nominee.
Case in point. There's NO QUESTION.
Blah blah blah liberals blah WILLIAM AYERS! blah! JEREMIAH WRIGHT! blah blah blah blah HITLER!
If this is what McCain is going to unleash at the debate, it'll do better than any sitcom on TV this season.
Besides, Palin wants to get back to Waz to shoot some wolves, have a bald eagle pot-pie and get the rest of her family knocked up.
Are ye daft?
More than likely a troll.
Ayers and Hitler are not even comparable.
At all.
EVER.
Lets see..... who WAS actually friendly with Adolph Hitler?.... Oh yeah that's right! Prescott Bush, the guy who helped Hitler build back up Germany's military.
FAIL.
You got "Mc" and "coward" but not a "Back to the Future" joke? Shame Shame, Logan Murphy.
PS
I know "chicken" is what sets him off. :)
Obama could mention his own judgment when it came to the decision to invade a country which was of no threat to the US.
Me thinks Obama just baited McCain into bringing Ayer in tonight's debate. What a good move! I love it! I love Obama! Biblically, that is.
Coward McCain reminds me of a little wussie who has to hide behind his mother's apron strings to make his slurs. Then he gets his "mommie dearest" out there to launch the attack for him because she neither has the brains or maturity to realize that he's pimping her.
What a farce being played out nationally for John McCain.
As I see it, McCain's painted himself into a corner from which there is no honorable exit strategy.
If he brings it up, Obama gets an opportunity to clear the air, thereby making look like a trivial fraud in his ads.
If he doesn't bring it up, then McCain becomes the wussie we all believe him to be right now. This man doesn't have the balls to control his own wingnuts at his rallies; how can we view John McCain as anything but impotent and addled by his age and level of physical illnes (cancer).
a dope.
Here's what a week of terror-inciting, violence & death threats looks like, Johnny boy:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53901.html
Looks like you're heading for such low numbers that you will be breaking new records for lows as a presidential candidate.
Smut and sleaze: The hallmarks of the McCain Paliban campaign
****On another note, Troopergate, Act 2 is moving along with multi-million dollar lawsuits against both Palins, a "recall" movement to remove Palin from her governorship in Alaska, some shady ties to the same builder who helped Ted Stevens with his home improvements (Spenard Building supply) - the same outfit who got the bid for the multi-million dollar arena in Wasilla....(he hem how do you spell bribery?)...and so much more bad news for the McCain Palin ticket.
It's coming like a slow-moving avalanche now.
I hope McCain tries to be jokey tonight. His lame jokes always make him look even older. When he's on the stump he has such fun making faces and laughing when he talks about Obama. Wonder if he'll try that same shit to his face?
Obama will not try to do the same thing with McCain, since people have been bored from this story.
McCain stupid and he don't understand that only people who will hate Obama because of this story are the same people who hate him already without knowing his connection with Ayres, so it is so useless to think that all people in the United States are ignorant like his supporter.
Every time McCain appear and talk about Obama as a Muslim terrorist, Obama get more and more voters.
As an Arabic Muslim, I hate what Bush has done and what McCain is doing. They make Bin Laden stronger and stronger and I don’t know if they do that in purpose or not.
It is the time shit war as soon as possible because all people lost because of that…
We (the Arabic Muslims) don’t hate you
We (the Arabic Muslims) don’t hate you
We (the Arabic Muslims) don’t hate you
Obama will not try to do the same thing with McCain, since people have been bored from this story.
McCain stupid and he don't understand that only people who will hate Obama because of this story are the same people who hate him already without knowing his connection with Ayres, so it is so useless to think that all people in the United States are ignorant like his supporter.
Every time McCain appear and talk about Obama as a Muslim terrorist, Obama get more and more voters.
As an Arabic Muslim, I hate what Bush has done and what McCain is doing. They make Bin Laden stronger and stronger and I don’t know if they do that in purpose or not.
It is the time shit war as soon as possible because all people lost because of that…
We (the Arabic Muslims) don’t hate you
We (the Arabic Muslims) don’t hate you
We (the Arabic Muslims) don’t hate you
One toke over the line. After five drinks I no longer have the ability to make real sense ..... I start to sound like an R, so it's time for me to leave you all.
Buona notte a tutto,
Ciao
Sleep well! I'll take care of things until you return. :)
On the Cambodian border, but you'd not know if ..... we're just drinking more.
Over here in Cambodia, we're drinking the same as before. Always.
Thailand's government is probably just trying to get the citizens to hate somebody other than them.
Obama is far more eloquent, far more in control than McCain. I don't think McCain is stupid; although he may be borderline on the dementia issue.
Whatever drips can be squeezed out of Ayers, can't compare to the floodgate that is Palin's AIP connections, and now McCain's William Timmons/Saddam Hussein connections.
Get out the popcorn - perhaps McCain whispering "horseshit" under his breath can be part of a drinking game during tonight's debate - slam one if he says any expletive.
Other drinking game suggestions:
> Slowly, continuously drink from a tall glass of beer, during any time McCain shows that spooky "green-screen" grin.
> Take a large gulp from the glass of the person to your RIGHT, whenever McCain pulls a "Palin", and chooses to answer a question not asked.
I am SO with you on this. I hope someone utters the word Ayers, even under their breath, and Sen Obama shows some spine and brings up William Timmons/Saddam Hussein. I pray for it, and I'm agnostic!
I'm expecting we will hear more about "terror" and "terrorist" and the like these next three weeks. That's the only way the media can help McCain. Don't be a bit surprised if a tape suddenly appears from Osama or one of his reps. Don't be surprised if some terrorist plot pops up.
McCain hasn't used fear much other than suggesting there is something unknown about Obama. The country is all about the economy but that might change if they can figure out a way to scare the hell out of everyone.
Obama should beat McC(umst)ain to the punch, and ask him about his top advisor who once lobbied for Saddam Hussein.
Something like that might change the course of the conversation: a close current advisor who was a lobbyist fo an international boogeyman, versus a former Weatherman who was NEVER prosecuted for whatsoever misdeeds of which he was accused...
Hmmmm...
McGramps won't have to bring up Ayers at the debate.
Schieffer will do it for him. Schieffer lost all credibility
with me with his incredulous "Oh really" when Wes Clark stated getting shot down doesn't automatically qualify you to be president.
I mentioned that earlier in this thread. I expect Schieffer to toss the softest balls to McCain.
I believe the correct adjective is "shriveled."
I'm thinking that Sen. Obama is just waiting for Sen. McCain to bring up Mr. Ayers. I'm sure that he has people rummaging through McCains "closets" to see what skeletons are there - and you can bet that there are a lot of them. The "guilt by association" game works both ways. If McCain were smart he'd stay away from this.
What sucks is that all this crap takes time away from discussion of the important issues.
G. Gordon Liddy
McCain gave the Contras $400 in 1988.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/j...
Oliver North
Hagee
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/the_mccainha...
Marylin Shannon
http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/10/john-mccain...
Saddam Hussain
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mcca...
I won't watch anything with which he's associated.
A fucking tool...
Bob Schieffer is many things, that's uncontestible.
However, I rather doubt that he'd want his "swan song" with the american people to be remembered as a purveyor of sleaze, do you?
Remember McCain's little mistress from the primaries? The one who was flying all over the nation with him behind Cindy's back?
EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW: WHERE'S VICKY ISEMAN???
Ms. I was last seen heading for the Bahamas with the Michelle O. "Get Whitey" tape. The McCain campaign is offering a reward. Now that the Missing Tot's mom has been indicted, Nancy Grace and her equestrian cavalry will be giving chase. Their feedbags have been stuffed with ACORNS.
I am sure this is just a ruse on McCain's part. He can read a poll.
He knows his image has suffered through his attitude and demeanor toward his opponent. He know jobs are the issue. Tonight we will see a new, kinder McCain.
Instead of confrontin Obama with a snarling "Get off my lawn," he will simply hand Barak a twenty and say "When you've finished mowing, don't forget to edge around the tire swing."
"There's No Fool Like an Old Fool".
Oh Jesus Sarah Palin Christ, let MkKKain bring it up. Obama will school the old man in front of millions of people. As an example, perhaps Obama should also break the news to the MSM and MkKKain tonight about his lobbyist buddy, transition chief, and aid to Saddam Hussein, William Timmons.
And if MkKKain doesn't bring it up, well then he's big-mouthed coward.
Blah blah blah serious and legitimate questions blah blah blah.
I keep hearing that from McCain flacks to trolls, dutiful repetition of the line from the party faithful.
But when you ask them what those questions are, you get nothing.
"Um ... William Ayers! William Ayers! Terrorist! Aaaaaah!"
And, come on, if you REALLY had the one piece of evidence that would torpedo Obama's campaign, why would you sit on it until your third debate? Especially when your rambling, incoherent answers and clueless beauty-queen runner-up running mate are reduced to drumming up racial hatred as a campaign strategy?
It's because there isn't a question. There's no there there, as the saying goes.
McStraitjacket can't even look Obama in the eye, and seemingly had issues being on the same stage with him. How's he gonna pull this off?
or he would know McCain will launch the real torpedo after he reveals how to find Osama, save our economy, win the war, and clean up corruption, my friends.
Carbama '08
Carter gets his opportunity for a second term.
As for a troll. Tell me what a liberal is called on blogs? There is no difference. TROLL.
Are you trolling as the Dan Patrick best known as the ESPN sports radio talk show host associated with Keith Olbermann or the Houston right wing radio talk show host associated with an inability to pass legislation as a member of the Texas State Senate? I hope it is the former because he is funny, knowledgeable, and associates with good people. The latter is pathetic and shunned even by the Republican majority in his own body.
The last troll we had in here started spouting the n-word. This is what's to be expected.
Obama should bring up the topic of Bombin' Johnnie's senior advisor who lobbied for Saddam Hussein as recently as 10 years ago...
It's pretty cool to see the Obama campaign controling the McCain campaign so deftly.
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/mcca...
Republican presidential nominee John McCain announced Monday he will suspend his campaign yet again in order to upgrade his cybernetic systems. Sources say he hopes to appear more passably human before the final debate.
McCain’s need for an upgrade comes as no surprise to many insiders. During the Oct 7th debate his GPS systems were noticeably damaged, causing him to wander aimlessly for much of the evening.
Wouldn't it be great if Obama said: "Did you want to ask me about Mr.Ayers John?"
Or McCain could begin his opening remarks by telling Obama he was sorry about what some of his supporters have said at McCain rallies. He could say it was never his intention for the campaign to go down that path.
Of course in the past McCain has said that if Obama had done town hall meetings with him the campaign would have never taken the turn that it did. So I guess a mia culpa is out.
If he doesn't bring it up he's a coward.
If he brings it up he shows he is weak minded by doing what his opponent dared him to do. Not to mention one assumes Obama is more than ready to deal with McCain on the subject should he bring it up.
Bear in mind though McCain has already made excuses for not bringing it up, blaming the moderator in advance.
In that picture is mcgramps getting ready to chug-a-lug some canned spinach?
What does he smoke in that corn cob pipe of his anyway?
I totally thought he looked like popeye too!
is skinny enough to do Olive Oyl, and Joe Lieberman can be Wimpy, but who do they have for Bluto. And don't give me Fred Thompson. He wasn't even good in Hunt for Red October.
mean and clueless but aggressive.
Michael Whiner?
)O(
Tom DeLay.
Especially when your rambling, incoherent answers and clueless beauty-queen runner-up running mate are reduced to drumming up racial hatred as a campaign strategy?
she's not "reduced" to anything. This is the reason she's on the ticket: to stimulate racial and class antipathies. If Bombin' John had wanted a serious nominee, there were plenty to choose. That he (or the RNC) chose Palin was not an accident...She'd do what she was told...
I hope there is a split screen so we can see both candidates faces, no matter who is speaking.
We all know the obvious: McCain's totally in the toilet and swirling the bowl.
His hate mongering reminds us of his Iraq war-mongering. He's proven himself totally unable and impotent to even control his rabid base; instead he and she stand there like immature idiots. People see this.
This is an ugly sight for many to witness after decades of having the war hero bunk shoved down our throats.
Yes, he was a POW and, as such, receives accolades. However, once you read the "real POW/MIA story and about John McCain as head of the Foreign Relations Committee" intentionally left our soldiers behind and then did his best to classify and cover up these deeds", his war hero status becomes totally besmerched by the facts.
The only area in which he's had a lead has been in the national security area. Factor in his age, his cancer which inevitably returns probably prior to 2010 (his real life expectancy with Level 3B Invasive Malanoma) and you've got a Palin presidency.
Can you hear that, folks....a Palin Presidency. The same Palin who was charged with an unethical abuse of power just this past week. The same Palin who has ties to a very radical, extremist secessionist group called the AIP (Volger had ties to Iran). This is the same women who has been race baiting actively in the public arena.
There is nothing Palin would like better than to "infiltrate" the highest levels of this government with her "shadow governor" doing all of her dirty work.
This is a national security issue at this point and the fact that McCain thinks so little of keeping americans safe has become clear by his selection of someone so totally unqualified - and now even dangerous - to fill in for him when he has to take some more chemo or radiation for his cancer.
We can't trust this country to the Palins of the world whose goal would be to infiltrate and destroy.
This woman was charged with an "unethical abuse of power" and what does she do? She doesn't apologize to the american people but lies in our faces.
It's clear that we cannot trust this woman to bring us any form of truth at this point.
With mcgramps aiming at shoring up his evangelical base, and maybe attract religious independents, it's ironic that the last presidential debate is on a Wednesday night when so many such people are at vespers.
What part of the country are you from? We don't let vespians in our churches. We love em though. Just hate the sin.
Jimmy Carter 4 more years, 4 more years!!!!
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with a Presidential user name. So in 4 years, which Republican B movie actor is going to promise to arm Iran? Fred Thompson?
Clearly, you haven't been paying attention. Bush went off to Iraq to chase Saddam, and we let Pakistan and Afghanistan fall into chaos.
Back in 2003, I was saying we needed to pay attention to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Now we have a Pakistani leader who doesn't like us, Afghanistan is falling apart, and we're seeing a resurgent Taliban.
Who's cleaning up whose mess? Thanks.
Oh, and like they have under the Bush administration???
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/07...
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/04/...
Not a liberal myself, but you neo-cons really have no clue. On Clinton's watch you had the Cole, Riyadh, WTC, the Kenya embassies, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem. Under Bush you've had 9/11, Spain, London, Riyadh x 30, the thousands of terror attacks in Iraq, Pakistan, Tehran, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, thousands in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria.
Clinton was an interventionist, Bush is an even bigger one. The more you intervene in the world, the more it comes back to bit you in the ass.
You neo-cons amaze me how you froth at the mouth over terrorism, but couldn't give 2 shits that the economy is being destroyed, or that we've just been robbed for 800 billion. What kind of conservatism is that from McCain? Obama may be a socialist, but shit, i'm a libertarian and i'd take a socialist over a corporate socialist like McCain any day.
Extremist terrorist organizations are larger and stronger today then they were 8 years ago. Do you REALLY want to talk about THAT?
Okay somebody correct me if I am wrong: Ayres put a couple of bombs in toilets of restrooms where nobody was and nobody got hurt. Obama was 8 at the time. Ayres goes on to be a respected professor at a college where no one has even bothered to be worried about him until now. Have I got this right?
We used to have a kid in my class years ago that did the same thing. I never thought of him as a terrorist. He also took acid from the science class and dumped it in the hallway and made a big old hole in the floor which got him expelled for a month. And I don't remember him saying he was sorry for it. He wanted to do more.
And McCain dropped bombs on women and children . . goes on to be a . . . . . . never mind.
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In history. And you're here calling people idiots? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!! Even your fellow members of your Jim Crow Party are turning on Grandpa and you ignorant fucks! Get your lip gloss ready in November and please tell me what President Obama's ass tastes like!
You have also to realize that we did not have the Patriot Act back then and this was simply the taking of "war protestation" to the next level. No one got hurt and it had everything to do with what many americans believed - protesting the amoral, illegal Vietnam war.
What's more poignant and troubling to americans today, however, is the McCain ties to his own right-wing extremist group which was aired last week. Factor in Palin's present day ties to the radical extremist "fringe group" called the AIP and you can readily see why linking an 8 year old to a man who put pipe bombs into toilets makes sense.
It's all they have. McCain's tube city right now and it's the last card in their hand.
Misunderestimation New
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 07:32 — woody
Especially when your rambling, incoherent answers and clueless beauty-queen runner-up running mate are reduced to drumming up racial hatred as a campaign strategy?
she's not "reduced" to anything. This is the reason she's on the ticket: to stimulate racial and class antipathies
_______________________________________________________________
I like antipathies
They go real good with some veal parmigiana and spaghetti dinner.
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 07:32 — Dan Patrick (not verified)
You mean like the early attempt on the World Trade building
Where they were arrested, tried and incarcerated?
Oil at $75
Read this and digest it fully. Then send it around to the media and your friends.
Keith Olberman: If your staff is reading this, please bring this finding to the american people. It's critical that McCain's POW propaganda become peppered with some sad truths about this man.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg
An exercise in futility.
The thing is that President Obama does not have to do any negative campaigning. He is RISING in the polls. It appears that people do not like the negative crap. Do you see what is happening to McShame? He is going down faster than a crippled fighter pilot.
Right. We'll perhaps have 4 years where peoples heating bills won't require half a months salary.
So they can pay off the installments on heating their house or apt they've wracked up the past 8 years since Cheneys secret energy meetings launched the "Wrecking of America".
They've never addressed the real issues since the beginning:
http://www.ronnierayjenkins.com/topics/deathi...
If McCain brings up Ayers, Obama can tar McCain due to his association with Palin.
After all she's been found to abuse her power. That means she's abused the trust of the people! And her husband clearly hates America.
That picture of McTemper is priceless.
Also the comment that Obama is "probably ensured" the subject will come up.
What a WATB.
Have you seen the YouTube video of McManiac's craps table explosion?
Now that's the "real John McCain" - the "unplugged John McCain" - the "real deal"....an arrogant egomaniac yelling "do you know who I am?"
Someone should have shouted back at him: "Yes, how could we not know who you are since you've made yourself the poster child for people with "anger management" issues".
I can readily see why they're now relegating their pitbull strictly to high schools.
Their latest rallies remind me of our evening bon fires on high school weekends before the football game.
McCain*Palin even have reduced themselves to the level of pom-poms! Priceless comparison right there.
The fact that Palin can't be trusted to participate in mature audiences tells us much about the McCain strategy for today.
Palin's being sidelined and relegated to kiddie shows.
secret energy meeting Docs the GAO demanded 6 or 7 years ago?
Yep, Dover High School and Salem High School. Now let's see her turn on her hate-baiting and have their school districts sued up the whazoo!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/15/...
Sounds like an Ayery argument to me.
)O(
What a country we've become!
Like I said back in Feb 01 be careful because if you are not you will become just like those you despise most.
"When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
Frederick Nietzche
But I don't mind as long as this is somehow involved:
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/wetdeep.jpg
Here's betting McCain doesn't open this Ayers can of worms tonight:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_...
McCain's directly connected to the Iran Contra affair via Jack Singlaub. He surely wouldn't want this pandora's box opened in public tonight.
This is the ONLY reason why McCain will suddenly develop a faux conscience, faux integrity, and not risk bringing up the Ayers issue.
JACK SINGLAUB AND THE IRAN CONTRA AFFAIR HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BRING JOHN MC CAIN DOWN INTO THE LOW 30's with this opening up.
in today's wall street journal:
go read the whole thing
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224028889002...
In a nutshell, Jack Singlaub and McCain's own connections to Iran Contra.
Your getting SLOW! (Nothing personal)
;-)
Something besides McCain and Palin for a change.
The media is all over itself about how smart and experienced Biden is. Political analyst Charlie Cook is quoted in the Washington Post on Saturday as saying “Biden is clearly so much more knowledgeable, by a factor of about a million.” Saturday Night Live does a skit about Biden being smart, if slimy. Meanwhile, Governor Sarah Palin is treated as being nothing more than a simpleton.
Yet, take Biden’s statement from the debate on the role of the vice president:
Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.
And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.
The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive, and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.
One should be careful when throwing around terms such as “most dangerous” and “bizarre.” But Biden is confusing which part of the Constitution covers the Executive Branch (it is Article II, not Article I). More importantly, the notion that the vice president can preside over the Senate only when there is a tie vote is simply wrong. Nor is it true that the only legislative involvement the vice president has is to break tie votes. The vice president is the president of the Senate, where he interprets the rules and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 senators.
Early vice presidents spent a lot of time in the Senate. Thomas Jefferson even spent his time writing “A Manual of Parliamentary Practice: for the Use of the Senate of the United States.” Modern vice presidents may show up only when they think tie votes will occur, but that is their choice.
This isn’t rocket science. The Constitution on this point is very straightforward: “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”
Instead, it was Palin who got it right. Besides correctly stating that the vice president holds positions in both the executive and legislative branches, she also noted that:
Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and [I] will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chooses to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are.
But just as the vice president’s job includes more than simply being ready to assume the presidency if the president dies, the Constitution merely states what the vice president’s minimum responsibilities are.
Compare the uproar over Palin’s answer to Charlie Gibson about the “Bush Doctrine,” a doctrine that Gibson clearly didn’t understand and for which there apparently exist at least four different versions. Where is the outrage over Biden not understanding what vice presidents do? For Biden, his inability to correctly say what vice presidents do was surely his “gotcha” moment.
Yet, this mistake during the debate was hardly unique. Biden got a lot of things wrong in the debate that are going unnoticed by the fact-check media. Take just a few:
-- Will McCain's health care proposals raise taxes? Biden says that McCain’s proposal will cost people money. The Tax Foundation finds that could easily be "roughly deficit-neutral over ten years."
-- Under an Obama Administration the middle class will "pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan"? No, the tax rates will be similar to the higher rates under Clinton.
-- Did "we spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country"? No, one year’s worth of spending in Iraq equaled five in Afghanistan.
-- France and the U.S. "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon"? No, and it wouldn't have made much more sense if he had said "Syria" instead.
-- Is it really “simply not true” that Obama said that he would meet with the leader of countries such as Iran without preconditions? No, Obama said “I would.”
-- Did Obama warn against letting Hamas participate in Palestinian legislative elections in 2005? No.
-- Do “Iraqis have an $80 billion surplus”? No. If oil prices had remained high, it might have reached $50 billion by the end of this year.
-- Finally, an amusing point as evidence that Biden is just one of the people he pointed to, inviting anyone to have a beer with him at "Katie's Restaurant" in Wilmington, Del. Unfortunately, people will have a hard time taking him up on his offer, since the restaurant hasn't had that name for probably 15 years.
Unfortunately, voters who are trying to get an accurate count on whether the candidates are telling the truth can’t rely on the media. FactCheck.org mentions only one of these points, the size of the Iraqi surplus. The Washington Post mentioned Biden’s misstatement on Hamas and Katie’s restaurant. AOL’s coverage of the errors in the vice presidential debate was by far the worst, though that might not be too surprising given that Tommy Christopher, who wrote their news analysis, also blogs on the Obama Web site. None of these checkers mentioned Biden's statements about the role of the vice president.
Compare this to the attacks on Sarah Palin:
-- FactCheck.org criticizes Palin for claiming that McCain’s health care tax credits will be "budget neutral" – they argue that the tax credit will be larger than the new taxes that the program will impose. Fine, but if the people at FactCheck.org believe that is true and that the Tax Foundation is wrong, Biden’s claim about increased taxes is even more inaccurate. But FactCheck.org doesn't even mention Biden’s statement from the debate.
-- From AOL's news analysis piece. “Palin: Said that it is untrue that the U.S. is killing civilians in Afghanistan. According to an analysis by the AP, however, the U.S. is killing more civilians than insurgents are.”
What Palin actually said was: “Now, Barack Obama had said that all we're doing in Afghanistan is air-raiding villages and killing civilians.” Whether one believes the AP estimate or not, the question is whether she was accurately characterizing Obama’s statement of the job that our forces were doing. And Obama said, “We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians” (emphasis added).
-- FactCheck.org’s first critique claims that Palin was wrong to claim that troop levels in Iraq are down to their pre-surge levels. They are correct that after the recently announced drawdown, 6,000 more troops will be in Iraq than immediately before the surge. But why not mention that 84 percent of the 38,000 troops in the surge are home or are in the process of coming home?
The media seems to have been covering for Biden for some time. While news stories still talk about Dan Quayle’s spelling mistake 18 years later, there has been almost no news coverage of Biden’s numerous wacky statements. What if Quayle had said something similar to Biden’s recent statement that, "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'" A neat trick given that Herbert Hoover was president in 1929 and no one was watching television.
It might not fit the simple template for a 36-year veteran of the Senate to not understand what vice presidents do (after all, eight vice presidents have served with him), but Biden knew less about this than the political outsider, Sarah Palin. Given that they are running to be vice president, why didn’t that story dominate the news coverage after the debate?
Media?
What media?
Haha! I will absolutely love it if I see a McCain meltdown tonight, all as a result of being baited into sticking with an attack that has been an absolute loser for him. ;)
You have sado-masochist issues or something?
I don't even want to see it.
It's to pathetic at this point.
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 07:53 — Anonymous (not verified)
Actually, Article I specifically limits the vice president to tie-breaking votes in the Senate, which is arguably where darth chainey gets his idea the VP is not part of the Executive Branch, even though it's further defined as such in article II, even whilst he's claiming executive priviledge.
The Article I basis Biden used was relevant, because it is about congressional power, and booshco has been usurping congressional power, and creating an imperial presidency, thus breaching the seperation of power between the branches, largely at chainey's behest, which palin concurs on.
What Rachael Maddow did to David Frum... Dissect his propaganda piece by piece, then show the world that he's 99 percent ass and 1 percent vanity.
I love the way Obama ensured that McCain will bring up Ayers, by saying, "if he feels the need" from losing and "presumably" he'll bring up Ayers in the debate. Now if McCain doesn't bring up Ayers, you can be sure Obama will.
In fact, whatever the debate was supposed to be about, the moderator would be stupid to ignore that Ayers is the highlight that overwhelms the rest of it. Might as well confront the issue first. If I were the moderator, I'd begin by asking the contestants, "Is there anything you two gentlemen would care to discuss first?" That should get a laugh from the audience.
All Obama has to do tonight is sit there and say nothing and he'll win.
Rachael Maddow of MSNBC, conducts herself and aligns her guests to conduct themselves in a dignified way. But she does not fail to get to the bottom of all aspects of current politics. Her analysis of events and statements made by both parties are so superb. I will never want to miss her show if I can help it.
You have sado-masochist New
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 08:00 — L.A. Confidential (not verified)
You have sado-masochist issues or something?
I don't even want to see it.
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Ayup...
And I have the collection of Smart Asses, and Cheeky Times to prove it, but Janus was too two-faced.
At the risk of repeating myself I ask: Are you trolling as the Dan Patrick best known as the ESPN sports radio talk show host associated with Keith Olbermann or the Houston right wing radio talk show host associated with an inability to pass legislation as a member of the Texas State Senate? I hope it is the former because he is funny, knowledgeable, and associates with good people. The latter is pathetic and shunned even by the Republican majority in his own body.
In that picture, is mcgramps doing his imitation of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FPv2toi5og
That one!
Call him chicken and he responds? How juvenile! What happens when another country calls him chicken, is he going to respond then also?
I cannot wrap my head around the fact that a grown man, especially one running to be president, would have a knee jerk reaction to someone saying they didn't think he (John McChicken) had the "guts" to do something.
I was dismayed before, now I'm just plain disgusted with the repugs.
Nobody calls me chicken!!!
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 07:39 — Dan Patrick (not verified)
boosh is a liberal?
has left the building.
Here's another reason why McCain is going to look like a complete fool if he brings up Ayers in tonight's debate:
William Ayers: Funded by Republicans
http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/3027
I read the link. All this proves is Ayers is very insidious. Commies mastered the art of using dupes long ago. John Birch and Jack Welch had Ike's number and look at his grandbaby today. Catsup is red and made by Heinz which married Teresa and left his money to Kerry. Kiss my swiftboat hind captains quarters.
If McCain brings Ayers up, then Obama should first point out that the Repugs and pundits who claim he has been evasive regarding his relationship with Ayers are lying and specifically call McCain out for that despicable commercial. Then explain again the casual relationship between Obama and Ayers.
Then, point out that there are plenty of examples of direct and relevant relationships with criminals and dangerous people that both McCain and Palin have that Obama could have used for commercials and character attacks but he chose not to do so. But if McCain continues to unfairly and falsely attack Obama, then Obama will bring up: Palin's relationship with the Alaskan Independence party, which advocates seccession and pals around with many other far right wing groups; and the Keating 5, McCain's close personal, financial, and political connection to economic terrorist Charles Keating, who McCain did actually pal around with at his Bahama's vacation home for free. There are more close relationships to bring up but the American people want to hear how we're going to handle the economic crisis.
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