If conservatives are correct and only the rich pay taxes, then...
...why do Americans care if taxes are raised at all? And why should Americans care about tax cuts also?
As you guys know, I watch the mind numbingly sophomoric Fox Saturday block of Stock Shows that goes by the name of "The Cost of Freedom." They consist of four 30-minute shows, and every single week there's an idiot on who says the only people that pay taxes are the richest members of our society.
OK, let's say I agree. Then why should 290,000,000 Americans more or less give a rip about the ramifications of raising taxes? They make the argument for us that taxes should be raised since only the very rich pay them.
Dave Neiwert wrote about this in one of his earlier posts: Populism: It's all the right-wing rage these days
The Tea Parties, in every incarnation -- from the Tax Day protests to the health-care town halls to the "Tea Party Express" and the "912 March on Washington" to Michele Bachmann's lame "Super Bowl of Freedom" -- has been all about populism, and it is distinctly right-wing populism.
A giveaway moment came during Sean Hannity's April 15 evening "Tea Party" broadcast from Atlanta, when he brought in a live feed from the Rick and Bubba Tea Tantrum in Alabama:
Hannity: And I'm going to tell you one other thing: When did we ever get to a point in America where, we're nearly at the point where fifty percent of Americans don't pay anything in taxes! Nothing!
[Crowd boos]
Rick: The numbers out are just astounding that, that, how much that the very top taxpayers actually pay. I feel like these taxpayers are disenfranchised. I want them to have a share of the burden just like they have a share of the vote.
That's right -- it's the wealthy top percentage of the country that needs a tax break. After all, they are the one Obama's targeting, right? So at least they're being upfront about just who "the taxpayers" are whose interests they're out marching to defend...read on
Don't you feel sorry for these poor rich bastards? If this is their argument, then I say President Obama should impose immediate tax increases like a war tax, a health-insurance tax and a jobs creation tax on the top tier of Americans. Make it a payroll tax and take it right out of their checks every pay period. That would immediately satisfy the deficit scolds.
After all, who will care if it's only the Fox Noise demographic? In the end all conservative policies do is destroy the least of us. They treat the American worker like trained seals, whose only function in life is to fuel their wealth.
I think they tend to make their judgments about the upper and lower classes based as much on tribalism as anything else. (Recall that the populist hero Ross Perot was a billionaire who made his fortune from government contracts -- but he sounded like a good old boy.) These things never play themselves out exactly the same ways but the fundamental appeals remain the same. The upper levels of society usually find a way to pull the strings and control these people, but the more vulnerable often suffer quite a bit at their hands. Neiwert's piece is a very important primer for those of us who are trying to understand where this Palin-Beck teabag phenomenon comes from and how it relates to other right0wing philosophies like Randism and militias. At the end of the day it all translates into ugly know-nothingism that lashes out at everyone but the adherents themselves, who see themselves as the defenders of the Real America.
I get the impulse and I feel the same frustrations. But their solutions are always worse than the problems they seek to solve.
healthy so the kids don't have to work.
... about the '50s that never was. How about some good old fashioned Eisenhower/Truman tax rates?
Or how about the wealthy pay payroll taxes on 100% of their income the way most people do?
Or how about examining why we are still following the insane Bush tax cuts despite being the supposed majority party?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
country. Conservatives sure do have selective memories when they reminisce, don't they?
only the wealthy have 'what it takes' to 'make it' and that's why they're rich. So why should they be taxed for having 'what it takes' to 'make it'? Forget that they wouldn't have 'made it' if it weren't for the people working for them. Then there are the 'wannabes', who have 'what it takes' to 'make it' but somehow can't quite get there for some reason...something is holding them back. What could that be? TAXES! They're being taxed to death to pay for things that deadbeats, those who don't have 'what it takes' to 'make it', need! But wait...if only the top 1% are paying most of the taxes....
He would already be rich if it wasn't for the anxiety he has over all the taxes he might pay if he was an actual plumber with an actual business.
n/t
We could pay off the deficit in 12 months.
will be tarred, feathered, and forced to watch the Pilot commercials for ShamWow in their uncut, undubbed German language version.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
100% Taxation on all forms of business done on the Web?
Imagine the uproar that would create
I for one quit the internet years ago. I only post here as a break from my incessant cable television viewing. Gotta run, the Celebrity Fantasy Poker Draft is on ESPInfiniti soon.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
One cent per share trade tax on the stock markets.
It would raise approx $200 billion (or so I heard on the radio)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
If you're blue collar and buy a tent at Target (to live in, since you're homeless) you pay nearly 10% sales tax here.
But if you're white collar and buy 10,000 shares of Target STOCK (worth $480K) YOU PAY NO TAXES!?!?
Let's tax stock trades like nearly every other industrialized nation does!
Remember that many of these transactions you propose to tax are for 401k, pension, ESOP, union, government, and other retirement plans that purchas equities.
How cool would it be to listen to the right wing howl about that and just replying calmly, "Bring industry to a halt? It's just a penny! If that's too much, they don't have to trade!"
John, why are you doing this to yourself? There have got to be better ways to spend your Saturday mornings. Guitar Hero, Grand Theft Auto, etc.
It makes me proud to know how generous Americans are to show their care about the fate of the very few who are so burdened with wealth they must bear all the tax burden too.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Obviously God doesn't love them, otherwise why would He have given them all that money?
"Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth."
Rex Stout (1886 - 1975)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
We have to give a lot of money back to the rich, so that they have an incentive to prosper. But we can't give any money to the poor... because then they won't work.
We all know they are poor already because they won't work!
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Feed the rich and eat the poor.
Or is it the other way around?
... whether you are trying to lose weight or gain it
um John, the ultra rich don't get pay checks. They get stock sales and investment dividends. In theory you could have taxes taken out of the dividends but not the stock sales. Of course you'd have to get the OK af the bankers that own our government first.
"but not the stock sales."
Don't they tax as cap gains? So 15%? (I think)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
"When did we ever get to a point in America where, we're nearly at the point where fifty percent of American
sCorporations don't pay anything in taxes! Nothing!""I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
90's
America has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. That is a reason many jobs have gone offshore.
I'd like to see you prove that BS. Jobs have been offshored for cheap labor and breaking up trade unions. You know it but won't admit will you?
The love you take is equal to the love you make. John Lennon Paul Mc Cartney
Your full of s**t! The loophole's make corporate taxes non-existent in this country today. What difference does it make if you have a 90% tax rate, if the corporation's can loophole it down to nothing? The average tax rate for all corporation's is 2.5%! You can't get any lower than that; yet the jobs are leaving by the boatload.
Jobs have left because of cheap labor, you %&*$#*%@#!!. Sorry, I cannot be kind about this. Anybody who would spew a line of shit that completely ignorant, is either dumber than a bag of rocks, or a sociopathic lying sack of SHIT.
Why do you think corporation's don't want any part of a 10% tax rate with NO LOOPHOLES!
Where do people as clueless as you are come from?
You really need to get information somewhere other than a.m. talk radio and Fake news if you want to talk with the adults.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
I've seen on occation the argument from the right that the richest 1% pay 40% of the taxes, so it is unfair to tax them more. They kinda leave out the part where that 1% also has about 90% of the wealth. If they have 90% of the wealth then shouldn't they be paying 90% of the taxes to pay for everything?
work.
Don't try to confuse the RWNJ's with your fancy math.
:)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
that 1% consume 90% or even 40% of what taxes pay for?
Yes they do.
They benefit from the military, police, and fire protection. They benefit from the public education even if they don't use it, because the public education trains the people who will be their doctors, their lawyers, the people who build their third homes, who work in the businesses they invest in, pave the roads they drive their Mercedes on. They benefit from public works that help the poor, because if people fall into abject poverty then why wouldn't they turn to any type of crime to survive, which threatens the 1%'s safty and businesses as well as drive down property values. The 1% benefits from a populace that has healthcare, because epidemics tend to be detrimental to a country.
In short, the richest 1% benefit greatly from a society that works. Sure, they could turn this country into another third world mess and live like kings, but then those third world rich dictators have a tendency to come over here when they need a real doctor.
do not benefit any more than the poor from police, fire, military(debatable) than the poor. And don't the poor benefit from Drs, lawyers and the people who build their homes? Or pave the roads? Or anything else you mentioned?
So those with nothing benefit as much or more than those who are extremely well off and lack for nothing ? Have you not heard it takes money to make money ? It also takes money to pay taxes and support govt. Or would you have us do away with govt ?
the lower income group benefit as much or more than those who make more. They both get police and fire protection(but some of the wealthier communities have private), public schooling (although the wealthy are more likely to pay for private schooling in additon to funding public schools), roads, etc. But the lower income also can get food stamps, tanf, wic, sec 8 housing, pell grants to pay for advanced schooling and quite possibly more back from the irs than they paid into fed income tax and I'm sure if you thought about it probably a few more.
So yes they benefit as much or quite possibly more than the rich from tax money paid.
And yes it takes money to pay taxes, but when you have a large percentage of the population that pays no fed income tax, and receives the majority of the benefits well....
I would prefer a (much) smaller government.
than they would be in a third world country. In a third world country they live in guarded compounds. They can't go anywhere with out security. Their family live in fear. They worry about themself and their family members getting kidnapped all the time.
taxes very carefully to confuse people. The facts are that the poor and middle class pay the major of the money that runs the federal government. The major of the revenue that the federal government collects is social security and medicare which is collect mostly for the middle class because of the salary cap on it. Corporate taxes are ultimately charged to the general population with the poor and middle class paying it at a greater rate than the rich because they spend more of their income to live. Many of the rich make money from capital gains which is paid at 15%. And the rich pay only a few percent more than the middle class for income tax. When you consider all taxes, the poor and the middle class is taxed at a far greater rate than the rich. This is why the poor get poorer and the rich richer.
The demographics that need attention are those of class.
Don't call them the upper levels, call them what they are. The upper class.
It is not evil to be rich, it is evil to be rich and think that you don't have enough already.
That is the evil of greed. That is the evil of capitalism, because the capitalist wants to grow his capital without end. The capitalist is now shielded from the consequences of his personal action by the legal cocoon of the corporation.
That is what makes for the class war we are in.
For many years, in a effort that is parallel to their unrelenting propaganda in all avenues of communication. The Corporate/Capitalist class has tried to portray the majority of Americans as having risen to the MIDDLE CLASS. This because they had rising incomes which narrowed income inequality.
The Capitalists eliminate the working class from the lexicon, even as they unrelentingly push them back down into the mud. It is done through propaganda and a general destruction of the political language in order to further rob them of their power.
Class SHOULD NOT be described according to income but rather by the power that one has to determine the nature of one's work. If you are supervised and thereby informed on how, what and when you do your work, YOU ARE WORKING CLASS. No matter how well they pay you, you are supervised.
By that metric 62% of the population in the US is working class. Well paid, poorly paid, unpaid (the Capitalist would love to return to slavery if they could, see Dubai), you are working class.
If you are a mid level supervisor, a professional specialist ie a Doctor, a Lawyer, what have you and you have authority over the nature of your work you are middle class. You are still working for someone, at least their interest and they pay you, but you have power to decide things about your work for yourself.
If you have sufficient financial resources that your income comes from the investment of those resources, you are of the Capitalist class. You are working for no one but yourself.
Strictly speaking, any small business owner is a Capitalist, but I personally prefer to place them in the middle class if they work along side their workers. Typically this happens until there is somewhere around twenty employees.
By my metric the Capitalist class is the top 1% of wealth, I am not using income as the metric because the wealth yields the power. The inequality of income in the US is at near levels, the inequality of wealth is even greater. Many people have absolutely no wealth at all.
Being wealthy does not a Capitalist make. Being wealthy AND GREEDY does.
Capitalists know no bounds of the desires to GROW their capital. That is why as a system it is doomed on a finite piece of rock.
By my metric:
One per cent of the population is of the Capitalist class, the upper class.
Sixty two per cent is of the working class. By some metrics this number could be as high as eighty per cent.
The remainder are of the middle class, depending on the metrics, somewhere between nineteen and thirty seven per cent.
A socialist is concerned with advancing the power of the working class.
A conservative is concerned with maintaining and advancing the power of the Capitalist class.
The power of one class comes at the expense of the others. The Capitalists, it should be noted, have such great individual power that they can act strictly out of interest for themselves. This is precisely the type of language they use to hoodwink working class people into voting against their own interest. They convince them that promoting an ideology of the power of the individual benefits individuals with no power to begin with. This is absurd, but the logic escapes too many people.
Why in American politics do 62% of the people never manage to completely capture the government?
It is the propaganda and push back of the 1% and anyone of the other groups they can co-opt, hoodwink and deceive.
They started with the Creel committee and they have been manufacturing consent every since.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
and why did the Pope of Hope give him the power to name his own copmmittee?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
The Creel Commission, Chomsky excerpted here
Noam Chomsky Massachusetts Institute of Technology, March 17, 1991 Excerpted from the Alternative Press Review, Fall 1993
Early History of Propaganda
100 years of propaganda here
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Alice, I am honored that you think I might be able to follow that comment from beginning to end. Oh that I could but this late in the day, it just ain't gonna happen. :)
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
..it's time to water the tree of liberty?
and hike in the woods and sometimes even played golf. I watered quite a few trees of liberty.
You are such a good patriotic soul. Did the world stage change as a result or did you just feeled relieved as a result of your efforts?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
greaat relief, knowing I was doing my share of the watering.
When I was a little girl I watered some little weeds on the side of the road, but I don't think that did much for my country.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
one girl watered on the slide. It didn't help anyone else to go faster on the slide either. Some people just don't know the best places to water.
We need fluids from patriots and tyrants, not just any old schmuck's.
My schmuckie body fluids are just as good as any old patriot's or tyrant's
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
that the more wealth you have, the easier and more affordable it is to use fancy loopholes to get out of paying said taxes?
it is the amount you would have to pay if you had not paid to create the loopholes to begin with. It is the principle, not the principal.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Perhaps there should be a tax on loopholes then.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Best idea yet!
We'd be very rich indeed@!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Back in the summer if there had been a tax on tea bags we would probably be sitting pretty right now. Too bad we can't tax bullshit coming from the right, that too would have filled the coffers.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Meanwhile the dirt poor and struggling dumb ass Fox fan is sitting in front of the tube outraged and agreeing with these assholes ! LMAO !
Waiting for the government check to pay for the "get the gummint out of my life" hand made signs.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
That's the part I don't understand. Who was able to convince that poor dude that this should be his cause? Maybe if a sensible person talked to him and explained he is putting his own ass in the fire for someone who doesn't care Jack shit about him, he might come to his senses.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Fooling 25% of the people 100% of the time!
and propping up all the artificial "values" in things we dreamed up.
Certain people are going to want to collect at some point.
SNL sketch with Chinese leader:
"are you try to sex me?"
lol
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
lol . .
When they come to collect, we just won't open the door. They'll think we aren't home and just go away.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
you hear the knock.
What happened China? You used to be cool...
I totally remember mailing a cheque out last week!
"I could give a flying crap about the political process.... We're an entertainment company."
- Glenn Beck - Forbes interview; April 26, 2010
Offer to repay them with some of the shitty crap they made and we bought over here.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
..you can have them back now.
Along with the pet toys and pet food and the kid's toys too. Hell, give them the entire contents of Wal-Mart
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"We cannot take the plastic toys back.
We do not permit the sale of toxic toys to the Chinese public."
Living in Texas, one can't take a step without tripping over a redneck, so I'm familiar with this debate.
After Obama gave these people a tax cut, I asked them why they were protesting taxes on 9/12. Their response was that "taxes raised on the rich only get passed down to them in the form of higher prices and lost jobs."
When I point out that Bush's tax-cuts not only didn't create jobs, but resulted in growing unemployment and inflation, their response is that "that's the fault of the Democratic Congress!"
When I ask, "how many jobs does Paris Hilton create when we cut her taxes?", they usually walk away.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Put me in charge. I'd restore the tax rates on the rich to the Eisenhower rate of 91%. Then those cry baby cons can whine about how much I'm punishing the rich for success. Never mind that some of these rich people were born into it anyway.
The top 1% controls over 40% of the wealth and pays over 40% in taxes. That is absolutely fair. The top 50% control over 97% of the wealth and pay 97% of the taxes. What is wrong with that?
The problem is why does 1% control so much of the wealth and they are controlling more each year.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6
Warren Buffet would disagree with you. He gets taxed at a rate of about 17.7% while his secretary is taxed at a rate of about 30%.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
The question is not about how much the top 1% collectively pays in taxes. The question is how much of their own income (dividends, capital gains) are they paying when compared with us regular wage earners.
One of the reason for the rich getting richer is that their profit for employing labor is too high. We need to raise the minimum wage both locally and globally. If the working class does not make enough then the economy grinds to an halt sooner or later. The working class will borrow until they reach their limit. Once this point is reach demand will decrease and unemployment will go up. There is a relationship between supply and demand. We need slightly increasing demand to balance increases in productivity. To keep this balance we need to make sure increase in wages track increases in productivity. If we don't we will reach a point were supply is greater than demand and unemployment happens.
I'm expecting big things from Beck tonight. He started his show by playing with his pants' pockets. You know with a beginning like that, only serious thoughts are to follow.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I get mad when supposedly bright and moneyed people feel they have to talk as if they were hill people to elicit sympathy from we unwashed masses. Fuck them all. When their rapture comes, I plan to take all their shit! Rich people don't make jobs. Workers make rich people! Egalitarianism, my ass.
Just be careful. While they are floating up to heaven naked as a jay bird, there may be more shit than you expect as half of them never really thought it would happen. That shit, you don't want.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Great statement JH. That should be on a bumper sticker!
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
I have been saying this for years. TAX the rich bastards, and take back the 26% of all wealth they stole from the rest of us - right after the psychotic GOP took control of the agenda 30 years ago.
I don't think I could loathe a group of morons more than I loathe these Teabagger imbeciles. These teabagging dunbf**k's are literally cheerleading for the corporate fascist's who are screwing the shit out of them and the rest of us.
How could anyone with 2 I.Q. points not have figured out who f**ked the country over after living through eight years of Bush and Cheney? How stupid can a teabagger be?
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
stupid. It's off the scale.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!
I am not rich/ unfortunately single and paid over $17,000 in Federal withholding tax in 2008 with the W2 to prove it. This does not include Med/OASDI, state withholding, property tax, school tax, sewer & services, insurance benefits (that under the Obama Plan will be taxed when used), vehicle tax and sales tax.
Yes, I have a good job, work hard and am proud of it but, pay my fair share of taxes without fucking question, partly because I live in fear of the IRS. In these tough times I am fortunate to be working while my neighbors struggle. I am not wealthy enough to have tax shelters in a country that not only asks me to be loyal/ patriotic while allowing the rich to beat me over the head with class warfare all the while continuing to perpetuate the myth that we all live off the back of the rich.
It is my bloody fucking taxes that pays for EXXON-Mobile's two lost wars and burial rites on 5,000 dead kids and Goldman Sachs' executive bonuses.
I challenge anyone who made the above claim that, "only the rich pay tax" to tell me that to my face because believe me I'll introduce them to my famous one punch knock-out then, kick the living shit out of their prone carcass.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/25...
The IRS is the Gestapo that no one escapes... unless of course they have offshore accounts.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
did you pay after you filed? ie What did you get on your return? If you paid 17 grand after taxes your probably pretty well off or you should be.
And come to my neck of the woods and I'll claim that only the well off pay taxes(federal income tax that is).
I'll come to your neck of the woods and say bulls**t! The rich don't pay shit in taxes. Besides, most government tax revenue comes from payroll taxes, NOT income taxes.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
We all pay taxes at some point in our life. They are using numbers saying 40-50% don't pay taxes. This demographic is made up of 50 million kids under 18 that don't have a job because they're in school. Then factor in 70 million retired and you have republicans hating that toddlers and retired people aren't paying taxes every year!
See its a trick, what it really mean is 50% aren't paying taxes at early and later stages of heir life. Yet this party claims they're for lowering taxes. InSannity
Shoot this talking point down and don't let the repubs frame the issue with there lies.
Do not pay anywhere near their fair share of the tax burden.
They hide their wealth off shore or "donate" large sums of money to charity."Charities" that they themselves just happen to own.
The argument is often made that the rich contribute to the country by creating jobs and spreading wealth but what is forgotten in that equation is that without a labor force they would have no way to ever get a venture off the ground.It's not unidirectional-wealth is created through an agreement a contract between labor and management.
It's not enough to point out the role the rich play in the economy as an example of why they shouldn't be taxed.They should be glad to give something back to the land that has provided them with unspeakably enormous riches.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
So what is he saying? Poor and middle income people get 100% of withheld tax back? I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and my entire working life I have never received a tax refund equal to 100% of what was withheld. Plus there are the payroll taxes which are not refundable and I live in a state with a very high sales tax (although no income tax.) I also pay taxes for my car license and property taxes for my very modest condo. Don't tell me I don't pay taxes a-hole.
here are a few facts even progressives need to understand so they can converse on these matters with that much more authority
first;
the original boston tea party was a demonstration against the king RELAXING taxes on his wealthy pals who could not compete without that relaxed tax...that's right, this country was started because the colonists WANTED those taxes, it was not because of raised taxes
that's the first thing, you tell them that and their heads literally explode but it is indeed a fact
the second thing is this;
even with a supposed "progressive tax" the middle and working class pay a FAR higher percentage of their wage to taxes then the wealthy;
this is becuase a middle class family man spends almost his entire salary, that spending is retaxed at the local and state level, it's also retaxed for property, retaxed for useage, etc
the average middle class person actually pays about 50 percent of their wage to tax, even with a progressive tax the wealthy pay about 25 percent
no kidding
so, when a person starts to claim they are in favor of "a flat tax' you can agree with them, tell them that those who are not paying tax on their entire salary will wind up paying a far higher income tax then they are if we had an actual "flat tax"
as a matter of fact, if a progressive politician ever used that point they wealthy would CLAMMER for a "progressive tax" instead f a "true" flat tax
a "true" flat tax would mean we would rebuild the comenserate differance back to the wealthy for all local and useage taxes paid as a percentage far above a working families income tax
"We cannot take the plastic toys back.
We do not permit thw sale of toxic toys to the Chinese public."
An excellent strategy!!! Brilliant!!!! Let's tax those evil rich bas*****! Not only will it punish them for being so evil and rich, it will also help pave the way for poor people to create goods and services thus creating jobs to reduce the percentage of unemployed in the U.S.! I Love It!!!
What are you saying 22acdc22 ! Gawd forbid ! We can't have that in this country !
Is as subtle as a baseball bat.
Its not simply a question of "poor people" it's the vanishing middle class chump,and by the way the "rich" are nothing without our labor.
The "rich" are not-for the most part-"evil" but many are not paying their taxes.They are helping to undermine the country they claim to love so much.Do your homework next before deciding to troll by here to make uninformed smart assed cracks.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
One percent of the people hold 71 percent of the wealth in this country.The other 99 percent of the people in this country don't make enough money to move the economy forward without huge amounts of borrowing. This Economy is fundametally broken and no one is willing to take the steps needed to fix it. There needs to be a heavy tax on wealth in this country and it needs to be spread around in better paying wages for everyone. If the standard of living doesn't go up in this country. It will become a third world country even quicker than the Republicans imagined when they hatched their scheme to empty the United States Treasury into the pockets of their friends and supporters.
Many Americans are retiring and moving to what were once or may still be considered third world countries. Some have very good yet much cheaper health care and a lower cost of living with little crime (see Costa Rica). Many Americans are moving to other countries for a better standard of life and more opportunity. It is a sad day for America.
So if the rich are too rich to pay taxes and the poor too poor, who's left, the middle-class?
They're small enough to drown in a bathtub.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
If we could tax conservative stupidity, wow; we would be home free!
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
The wingnuts also argue that the rich don't pay taxes so there is no point in rasing them. Their viewpoint depends on which way the wind is blowing. There is is no point in trying to have a discussion with them.
is a losing combination in a capitalist society.
Poor but bright - you have a fighting chance to move slightly up on the economic scale.
Stupid and rich - you have zero worries as you will be handed golden opportunity after golden opportunity based on your lineage. You can fuck up as many times as you wish and may only be stopped from advancement if you dreadfully besmirch the family name...maybe.
Bright and rich - 'nuff said. Welcome to the Golden Teat.
Poor and stupid - it's over. You will be led around like a goat on a rope, manipulated by the rich - both the stupid ones and the bright ones. You will be blissfully unaware of the occurrence and trod the path of self-righteousness as you bleat the slogans fed to you by your economic masters - all designed to continue the perpetuation of both your stations.
Now the question - what percentage of adults fit these categories in the USA?
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