Rush Limbaugh supports torture by attacking McCain for being "broken" by it
By John Amato Sunday Apr 19, 2009 8:00amThe very sick and twisted Rush Limbaugh continues on his path to hell as his lunacy knows no limits:
LIMBAUGH: The idea that torture doesn’t work– that’s been put out from John McCain on down– You know, for the longest time McCain said torture doesn’t work then he admitted in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention last summer that he was broken by North Vietnamese. So what are we to think here?
When the whole torture issue started to become public, why did John McCain say it didn't work? What did he get out of being honest on this topic? He knew that conservatives watch "24" like it's a documentary, so there was no upside for him unless maybe his own conscience made him come clean.
I'm not letting him off for his behavior on the military commissions or his flip flop on waterboarding, but what Limbaugh says is completely grotesque. As I've said a million times, conservative pundits can say just about anything without consequence. He uses propaganda put out by Hayden and Mukasey via the always-accommodating WSJ that Jon Perr wrote about on C&L: Mukasey Defends Bush's "Hypothetical" Torture
And as we've found out, nothing has come by the use of torture. NOTHING!
The debate over the significance of Abu Zubaydah’s role in Al Qaeda and of what he told interrogators dates back almost to his capture, and has been described by Ron Suskind in his 2006 book, “The One Percent Doctrine,” a 2006 article in The New York Times and a March 29 article in The Washington Post asserting that his disclosures foiled no plots. (His real name is Zein al-Abideen Mohamed Hussein.)
Of course there was Li'l Bush, who just didn't want to lose face, so I guess torture accomplished something, right?
"I said he was important," Bush reportedly told Tenet at one of their daily meetings. "You're not going to let me lose face on this, are you?" "No sir, Mr. President," Tenet replied. Bush "was fixated on how to get Zubaydah to tell us the truth," Suskind writes, and he asked one briefer, "Do some of these harsh methods really work?" Interrogators did their best to find out, Suskind reports.
And so they did.
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Limbaugh's moral rot is quickening. I can't think of a grosser, more repulsive human being on this planet.
-G
Of all the choices of inspiration and role models we got to put up with this?
Rush is starting to scrape the bottom of Michael Wiener latrine bucket. Of course Savage thinks Rush is getting his material from him now. FLMAO! Two nuts without a Cheney between them.
CAGE MATCH!
Armed robbery works to some extent, but it is wrong too.
Hurl . . . .
says the man who dodged the Vietnam war by virtue of a pimple on his fat ass.
That pimple was a inoperable brain tumor!
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I bet that pimple was torturous.
we need to take to be able to read about this guy constantly or is some numbing effect available?
Oxycontin.
story is being twittered I suppose that would work.
Does she inject it or smoke it?
it will take 2000 lifetimes for her to wake up and realize she really doesn't matter. If not more.
madonna has ripped-off Betty Page, Marilyn Monroe, Louise Brooks and Marlena Dietrich.
Who's she going for now
Christopher Reeve?
that's what.
She's into Indian men too?
Actually I think it was Marlene.
Oh puhleeze
All you need to torture rash
Is keep him away from the Ding-Dongs for five minutes.
I think Rush needs to shut the hell-up. He, like most, knows nothing about torture or suffering. he has forgotten what its like to want or need anything. these pricks cant define torture, you can't "volunteer" to be tortured, to be tortured is wondering if its ever going to stop, not laying down with a towel over your face and having someone pour a pail of water over your face while you hold your breath.
Sounds kind of like the Order of the Arrow.
and if they could get away with it we would have death matches on Prime Time TV by now.
What about Japanese Game Shows?
to violence and gore so they can go mainstream with it that's obvious.
I actually think that the Hollywood is liberal theme is a canard.
We have 24, The Dark Knight and others practically advocating torture.
For thirty years now we've had Star Wars, up to the Ring Trilogy with their ultimate good/evil plots and warfare, and others that followed in their wake.
Personally I prefer Buster Crabbe's Flash Gordon to Star Wars which was a rip-off.
I think Hollywood is just following what it sees as current trends.
But that means they're into money not ideology.
is brainwashing propaganda.
That is so when you consider that the bulk of movie studios is owned along with news broadcasts by the same few corporations.
The working fly might not know what's going on, but the spider does.
and it's marching on regardless if people are resisting or complaining or not.
From the 60's and 70's into the present, you will see the change in sitcoms from being informative and enlightening to just being mean-spirited right wing toilet humor.
Since we're talking about it... We all grew up on a diet of Westerns (good guys and bad Indians), and Superman fought for, "Truth, Justice and the American way" (HA!), and family life was grand in America; everyone bright and shiny. And we loved it. What wasn't to love? They made us feel good.
Then, in the 70's we got shows like Laugh In, and they did speak up about a lot of things, because there were anti-war protests going on, and Nixon, and hippies (yeah!!).
Yes Hollywood is in it for the bucks, and follows the trends. And that is their right. It is also a reflection on American thinking.
What I find disturbing now, is all these "cop" shows, law and justice crap, and all the violence. And that brings us to Rush, the most popular radio personality.
Who says you can't learn anything from watching TV, and observing TV, and its trends.
Pigs are offended at his lack of delicassy and finesse at the feeding trough.
Poor maligned pigs: such nice creatures.
It's my understanding there are people who panic from waterboarding within seconds. What we need is a national campaign to make Rush prove that he is a _real_ man. A man who can withstand a minute of waterboarding. We should promote the "You can do it, Rush!" campaign so widely he _has_ to do it.
A true American could outlast an islamofacist that reportedly lasted a minute and a half. That's the mark to beat. And big fat rush should set the two minute record with the right drug combo.
Phish?
Why the hell isn't being forced to listen to Jabba the Rush, considered torturer?
(why the hell can't I spell?)
Only traitors torture or support it's use.
Bright line here folks. Who do you stand behind the supreme law of the land or traitors, who still are on the clock collecting a check.
Here again shows treasonous rantings about the law of the land.
on him.
Earlier, Rush slapped himself on mic to prove that slapping was really no big deal. Now, he is glibly defending torture as being an effective tool of interrogation. "It works!"
Rush is a silly man.
He is the rude dinner guest who won't leave; the nutty uncle; the date with bad breath and eager hands. Why does the man still have a broadcasting contract? Why hasn't his feral legion of listeners moved on or died off? Why is it that a third of America seems comprised of the silliness that is not good for you? Why is it that, according to the Center on Law & Security's Oct. 2007 report (PDF), from 2001 to 2006 only one person was arrested, indicted, and convicted of planning terrorism on U.S. soil and, in two thirds of cases, federal terrorism charges were never brought? Where is justice?
not justice.
and it looks like sh*t.
Your suppose to scrye with a bowl of water, with either spreading ink or fragrant oils, that you can hold between your hands
Not toilet bowls.
repeating myself or having to go back to doing what I've already done!
LOL
http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/
http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2007/10/11/b...
First: I'm not a Rush fan...
But, surprisingly, he seems to have presented a valid data point that we need to consider. If torture 'worked' on McCain, then we have an instance where it 'works', and so we can't just say 'it never works'. But what did it mean to say it 'worked' on McCain? Did he reveal a secret that got people killed? I don't know the details. Maybe although McCain was broken, he did not reveal anything of use.
In this discussion, I have read a lot of ad hominems against Rush (an easy target to be sure), but not a careful refutation of his point, which is more important.
I've heard mcgramp's records have been sealed, Admiral son and all that, but that he cooperated with the VC by making propaganda recordings for them.
So he avoided the bulk of the torture.
They even have earlier photographs of him walking without crutches and then later ones with.
During the election if one suggested that the torture worked on mcgramps, they'd be accused of maligning a "war-hero."
It "worked" on McCain. He confessed to war crimes. So, by Rush's logic, if torture provides accurate intel, then McCain is a war criminal.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1...
great point... :-)
Sun, 04/19/2009 - 09:36 — bobsf
First: I'm not a Rush fan...
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Me either, by all rights their lead "singer" should have the mother of all nose bleeds.
Aside from its illegality, do you really want to be in a position where the US can say nothing if opposition countries can capture US soldiers and do whatever they want to them?
He said that it broke him. Huge difference. Historically, torture has been amazingly effective at one thing: extracting confessions.
As far as eliciting reliable intelligence? Not so much. Why? Because you can't trust anything that is said in response to torture.
Please name one instance, in all of history, of torture producing reliable, actionable intelligence.
TV shows don't count.
Just name one.
the high road is a road that limpbaugh does NOT travel.he and many of his (demographic) followers don't understand the pen is mightier than the sword and/or kill them with kindness. we need to practice what we preach. we must try to take the high road NOT go against it. this romantic Machivallian approach that some lawmakers/corporations take by doing what is NOT popular or good for the greater good creates problems.. it's wrong and misunderstood. limpbaugh knows his demographic he knows the mindset. many of these people are black and white thinkers. they would rather hit you over the head before asking questions. they rather force an issue before thinking about the consequences. i am personally sick and tired of limpbaugh maybe i am wrong but he could care less about democracy. he just cares about division, propaganda and financial/power.
http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/
So does murder, rape, flying airplanes into buildings, beheadings, and a whole host of other perfectly natural human activities which we naively criminalize.
speaking of mcCain.........i am still waiting for the senator to share with us on how to capture osama bi laden. if i have it correctly he made that statement during the campaign that he indeed knew how to capture bin laden. could it have been political rhetoric?
Osama Bi Laden?
Maybe we need to bribe his boyfriend.
Hence the "Bi"
He would just tell us where he's buried.
to legitimize torture is to lie and spin, i.e. the "ticking time bomb" scenario and "it gets actionable intelligence" canard.
It's dehumanizing, degrading and ghastly treatment usually carried out by despotic, criminal regimes. That's what we are now.
U R the Walrus?
Republicans are a very bloodthirsty lot, and react with delight that we might be torturing people in the field of battle-
*Isn't the US SUPPOSED to set a higher example? How can be defend the use of torture, yet arrogantly boast how only America has liberty and freedom?
*If these same techniques were used against American POWS, would Republicans concider it to be torture?
*Why can't Republicans see that if we use torture in war, then it invites the enemy to torture our guys? Thats a little detail Republicans NEVER address, they just brush aside...
*Have you noticed nearlly all of the Republicans who favor the use of torture have never actually served in uniform?
Torture doesnt't work- a person will admit to being Mary Queen of Scotts if it will get you to stop hurting them...
Like that Iranian-American reporter just convicted in Iranian court for spying?
maybe i am too cynical. i sometimes believe the neoCONs wanted the opposition al queda taliban and others to know the u.s. would/did torture. i feel they used it to escalate the war. it was a strategy. doing what is NOT right for the perceived ultimate good.
has gotten twisted results. Who knows what goes on in the minds of these neocons.
I don't suppose the way this perception further imperiled our troops would have mattered much to "Bring Em On" Bush.
Police make busts all the time based on information that was given to them by informants whom they did not torture.
Many people maintain quite the lifestyle--money, drugs, ability to commit crimes while avoiding jail, etc--by snitching. I had an ex-girlfriend who did quite well "working" for OC sheriffs for awhile.
Of course torture works. If your goal is to break a human being, to make him do or say *anything* you want, torture is 100% guaranteed to work on 100% of the population. It's a matter of time and intensity, nothing more. But as we've been told, the value of any confession or information thus procured is minimal and questionable.
It says nothing about McCain's character or strength as a human being that he broke under torture. It says more, in fact, that he admitted to it publicly, something many would find hard to do.
I realize I'm preaching to the choir, but I had to say it.
has not described any plot or attack that would have taken place because of their torture policies.
Correctrion: Any attacks or plots they stopped.
I HATE Rush Limbaugh.
I disagree with him about EVERYTHING.
Possibly with the exception of this.
If you have REALLY bad guys that are part of a group that want to commit atrocities, HOW ELSE do you get them to fear for their lives and SPEAK UP?
I don't know, I think everything short of broken bones and permanent physical damage should be on the table.
Tell me why I'm wrong.
I'm a reasonable guy.
Who here WOULD NOT be singing like a canary, and being 100% TRUTHFUL TOO, if you feared for your life?
They think that is a sure fire way to martyrdom.
Arrest them, give them a trial and if found guilty, ship them off to Alaska. The thought of spending the rest of their lives in the ice cold tundra will make them think twice w/o having to torture them.
Sounds kind of Soviet.
And having to watch sarah palin on the local news...
Because even if it worked 1000% of the time with perfection, we are signatures to anti torture treaties as well as laws in our own land that prohibit this action.
Aside from all the other fallacies, e.g. that tortured people never just make things up to get the torture to stop (they do, all the time) there's a bigger problem with this:
Or whole justification for this is that we're better than terrorists. We're moral, we're a nation of laws, we're superior to a bunch of people who will stop at nothing, we're a morally superior country with a system that doesn't let us act like thugs and criminals like the terrorists do.
That's why we want to stop them. That's how we justify doing so.
If we become a nation that will stop at nothing just like the terrorists, then what's the point? Then what is it, we're saying that it's just two groups, equally immoral, except ours is bigger so we win?
We detest terrorists, as all people should, because they target civilians and stop at nothing, they see any evil they commit as a neccesary tool, the ends justify any means.
If we become like that too, then why SHOULD we prevail over them?
That's why.
Hard core terrorists are trained to be able to endure certain level of torture, so they can believably disinform the torturers.
The rest could be innocent.
Local warlords got bounties for people they turned in.
You're saying that US soldiers would be little scared whiny babies if threatened with a hangnail? Good for any enemies to know.
Interesting.
We have the largest & best-trained law enforcement agencies in the world.
We have the greatest technology; polygraphs, PET scans, voice-stress analyzers.
We have the best intelligence agencies; facial recognition software, HUUUUUGE data banks of personal info, months & months of psychological training.
And we have to resort to the techniques or Torquemada?
These people, IF they are terrorists, are willing to DIE for their cause (remember 9/11? They didn't aim for the towers, put on the autopilot and bail out; they flew them into the buildings and became martyrs). You don't think they'd lie their asses off under the "Ticking Bomb" scenario.
When you talk of REALLY bad guys that are part of a group that want to commit atrocities, I think of any number of individuals and groups, right and left, domestic and foreign that come under that umbrella, many of them at odds with each other, and all of them, in one way or another, championing their own take on Jeffersonian values. The simple fact is that those promoting violent solutions to the problem with America, are the problem with America.
So . . if McCain's torturers success stories elevated McCain to hero worship status which has endlessly been exploited for him to attain political office and even more inflated hero status . . . which was and is always proffered by omitting what it is that he revealed during the successful torture sessions . . .just in case that doesn't make him look like a hero anymore.
Will Limbaugh and torture supporters elevate our torture victims as heros for surviving our torturers attempts to write GW's legacy? Seems being a victim of torture in America is a one-way ticket to Chamber Floors as long as one revealed something that allowed the body counts to be higher.
1. I don't know who is worse: Rush, the company that airs and pays Rush, or listeners that support and defend Rush.
And 2. If I hear one more Republican defend torture by using the TV SHOW "24", I'm going to defend the assault weapons ban using the tv show "Looney Tunes". Clearly, Elmer Fudd is a right wing gun nut.
Did anyone notice in this clip how Rush keeps pulling at his shirt, like a nervous tick... like he's sweating. That's one of the side effects of Oxycontin. Just saying... hmmm...
IS a nervous tick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGfRkUpDyYc&fe...
So Rush Fatbaugh, does that make McCain a traitor for being "broken"?
... why was it necessary to waterboard Khalid Sheikh Mohamed 183 times in a month?
You would think after trying something, oh, about 150 times without success, somebody might have figured it out.
Just listening to or watching this vile pig is torture indeed.
Limbaugh,
Here's your chance to show the left for once and for all that they are full of it! Just think of all the other blowhards on the right that would be fighting each other for the chance to be 2nd,or 3rd... after you,proving that waterboarding is just like a walk in the park!
Here's the plan:
Let yourself be waterboarded on nationwide TV 184 times or roughly about 9 times a day for everyday your show is on during the week for a month!
Are you man enough to go for it and shut the left up for good?
Anyone got any odds on how long it would take for Mr. Piggy to squeal like Ned Beatty did on "Deliverence?"
This is why the Republican Party is finished.
The USA has been a beacon of freedom throughout the world.
Torture is not, and never will be, part of that beacon.
The Republican Party is dead.
Mmm...beacon...(drool).
Limbba the Hutt sinks to yet another low.
How anyone hasn't sued this slimy piece of worm ridden filth for libel or defamation is beyond me.
at least, not according to the Bush administration. From their legal memo:
"In the view expressed by the Justice Department memo, which differs from the view of the Army, physical torture "must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death."
So, even though McCain was bayoneted in the foot and groin, had his shoulder broken with a butt stroke from a Vietnamese rifle, had his arm broken, was "slapped around" (remember Limbaugh slapping himself on air to mock that?) and had his arms pulled so far behind his back that his shoulder blades almost touched and was suspended from the ceiling for days by ropes tied to his arms behind his back...
ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS OF BUSH'S GREATEST LEGAL MINDS, HE WAS NOT TORTURED!!! (Because it didn't cause organ failure or death.)
See how utterly stupid it is to justify "a little torture"?
The thing about Bush admin torture is that innocent people (ie not charged with anything) were tortured to the extent that their organs DID fail and they DID die. There is plenty of evidence. Why is this still even being "discussed." Every DOJ POS within the Bush admin is a fckng war criminal & deserves to be prosecuted, then executed. I'm fckng sick of this. Why are there STILL no indictments?!
Say what you want about rush, but he's got a great pair of tits CEO,citizens,eyes,open
the correct term is 'boob moobs'.
... but I'd almost want to see the Vulgar Pigboy undergo some "frat house prank" interrogation. You know, the "enhanced techniques." He'd squeal like the porcine coward he is.
God, how I detest that boil-ridden bastard ...
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Is this how rash calls for a date?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-by5e4saI&fe...
Why does a wealthy man like him dresses like he shops at the Sears Outlet Store Fire Damaged Sale?
What a completely soulless, ugly, nasty glob of infected pus. This sexual predator, drug addict(and his audience) are living proof evil is alive and well in America.
I see you've been reading Jonathan Livingston Seagull
As reedited by David Mamet.
This what will occur...After read this peace inspiring novel, I'll just become more beligerent.
Maybe after you read the entire Captain Underpants series too.
According to Limbaughs Selective Service Record, which I FOIA'ed and have, Rush was a yellow-spined, chickenhawk, draft-dodger long before the so-called "pimple on his arse" story hit the MSM!
On Feb 24,169 Fatboy was given a 1-SH deferment, or "Student deferred by statute" - (H)high school
He carried his high school deferment until Nov 23,1969 (even though he was no longer in high school!) from Nov 23,1969 till Nov 24,1970 he had a 2-S deferment or in college!
He was given a 1-Y deferment (Regisrant quailfied for service only in time of war or national emergency) on Nov 24,1970 so he must have been given a Armed Forces Induction Physical and failed it!He carried this deferment until Feb 21,1972.
He claims he was 4-F but that rating was given him because after Dec 10,1971 the 1-Y rating was abolished, Local boards were subsequently instructed to re-classify all 1-Y registrants by administrative action.
The following statement was found in the Remarks Column of Rush Hudson Limbaugh,III : Selective Service Number - 23-16-51-18
DOB-1-12-51:
"We have no record which provides the specific reason the registrant was found conditionally acceptable for service." In otherwords, he can't prove that it was a zit on his ass/brain that caused him to not be drafted! For all that anyone knows and could truthfully say was that Rush was gay and that is the reason he wasn't drafted!
Could you imagine being the doctor giving rash a prostate exam?
Talk about torture.
Well... it's not good for getting reliable information from people who don't have it, but it is very useful for getting people to confess to having it anyway.
Limbaugh uses the term torture so freely and acts like big tough guy by supporting it. Has he ever experienced it? He has the nerve to criticize McCain for breaking while under torture in North Vietnam. I would like to see how long Limbaugh would last in a prison camp like McCain did. I'd give him 10.....maybe 15 seconds tops. He should not be discussing or promoting anything that he as no knowledge of or has had no experience with.
America has laws to protect its citizens' privacy. America breaks those laws and spies on its citizens.
America has laws to protect one from unlawful detention. America breaks laws and unlawfully detains citizens.
America has laws against torture. American breaks laws and tortures.
America has laws to not torture its citizens. America...
it is when his oxycontin prescription is denied.
Apparently Rush knows alot about torture. Like how tough it is to go without drugs after getting busted. How long did Rush have to go without drugs until the law enforcement wasn't looking?
And to have some lousy peon U.S. Customs inspector check Rush's luggage and find Viagra. After thaat escapade in the little boy prostitution capitol he just had came from at the time?
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