Glenn Beck Playing with Fire on Religious Faith
In his pivotal address to the Southern Baptists in 1960, John F. Kennedy cautioned those suspicious of his Catholic faith, "Today, I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you -- until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped apart at a time of great national peril." But with his furious assault this weekend against President Obama's faith, Glenn Beck didn't merely ignore JFK's warning and the biblical admonition to judge not lest ye be judged. In declaring his followers' judgment of Obama, "People aren't recognizing his version of Christianity," the Mormon Beck could have been describing himself.
During his rally Saturday, Beck proclaimed, "America today begins to turn back to God." And while he didn't say which one, he made clear on Sunday it wasn't the Almighty worshipped by Barack Obama:
"I don't know what that is, other than it's not Muslim, it's not Christian. It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it."
Sadly for the Fox News host, as many of his Tea Bagging allies view his Mormon faith in precisely the same terms.
As CNN reported on Friday, "Some evangelicals on defensive over partnering with Glenn Beck, a Mormon." And as ThinkProgress noted, a Christian NewsWire press release titled "Glenn Beck's Mormonism Will Not Lead to Revival" was harsher still:
Glenn Beck promotes a false gospel. However, many of his political ideas can help America. ... Mormonism is not a Christian denomination but a cult of Christianity. ... Many endorse false gospels including Mormonism.
If that language of condemnation sounds familiar, it should. As former Massachusetts Governor and LDS member Mitt Romney ramped up his 2008 presidential run, Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network offered a similar primer in a document titled, "How Do I Recognize a Cult?" Mormon religious beliefs, CBN concluded, "are, to put is simply, wrong":
Mormonism teaches that God is not the only deity and that we all have the potential of becoming gods. (Ibid., p. 576.) (Remember that Satan's fall came about because he wanted to be like God.)... There has been constant revision of Mormon doctrine over the years, as church leaders have changed their minds on a number of subjects including polygamy, which was once sanctioned by the church.
In summary, the Mormon church is a prosperous, growing organization that has produced many people of exemplary character. But when it comes to spiritual matters, the Mormons are far from the truth.
As the 2008 GOP primaries approached, Mitt Romney faced an enormous hurdle among the heavily evangelical Republican base. A December 2007 Pew Research Poll found that 45% of evangelicals did not consider Mormons to be Christians. 25% were less likely to vote for an LDS candidate as a result. (A Gallup was also a warning to John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, where a candidate who was "72 years of age" or "married three times" was less likely than a Mormon to get Americans' backing.) So, it came as no surprise that on December 6, 2007, Romney tried to follow in JFK's footsteps with his speech, Faith in America."
In a speech that featured only one mention of the word "Mormon," Romney sought to walk a tightrope, proclaiming his own religion's just place in the American pantheon of faith without in any way describing it. Ironically, Romney took pains to sing the praises of the rites (and stereotypes) of other faiths while excluding his own:
"I believe that every faith I have encountered draws its adherents closer to God. And in every faith I have come to know, there are features I wish were in my own: I love the profound ceremony of the Catholic Mass, the approachability of God in the prayers of the Evangelicals, the tenderness of spirit among the Pentecostals, the confident independence of the Lutherans, the ancient traditions of the Jews, unchanged through the ages, and the commitment to frequent prayer of the Muslims."
But when it came to his core message, Romney stressed the Constitution was on his side:
"There are some who would have a presidential candidate describe and explain his church's distinctive doctrines. To do so would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution. No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith."
Too bad Mitt Romney, like Glenn Beck, advocates a religious test of his own.
To be sure, atheists and agnostics have no place in leading Mitt Romney's America. That meaning was unambiguous in Romney's 2006 declaration to Fox News that "People in this country want a person of faith to lead them as their president." The former Massachusetts Governor made the point even more broadly today, proclaiming simply "Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom." Columnist and former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan observed the omission in Romney's 2007 speech, concluding "he would have lost the idiot vote" if GOP primary voters thought "this Romney character likes to laud atheists."
But it is not merely the unbelievers who would be disempowered and disenfranchised by Romney even as his Mormon brethren would welcomed among America's chosen faiths. The roughly five to seven million Muslims in America, too, are second class citizens in Romney USA.
As Mansoor Ijaz wrote in the Christian Science Monitor:
I asked Mr. Romney whether he would consider including qualified Americans of the Islamic faith in his cabinet as advisers on national security matters, given his position that "jihadism" is the principal foreign policy threat facing America today. He answered, "...based on the numbers of American Muslims [as a percentage] in our population, I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified. But of course, I would imagine that Muslims could serve at lower levels of my administration."
(Despite Romney's protestations that he was misquoted, Ijaz stands by his account.)
This is not to say that the Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney won't succeed with their strange political bedfellows. After all, supposed cult member Romney gave the May 2007 commencement address at Pat Robertson's Regent University, during which he praised "Dr. Robertson's dedication to strengthening and then nurturing the pillars of this community and our country." Three years later, Beck himself spoke to the graduates of the late Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, telling them, among other things, "shoot to kill."
But as CNN detailed, the suspicion of Beck's own faith among his would-be allies runs deep. Brannon Howse, a conservative writer and founder of Worldview Weekend, announced, ""While I applaud and agree with many of Glenn Beck's conservative and constitutional views, that does not give me or any other Bible-believing Christian justification to compromise Biblical truth by spiritually joining Beck."
And so it goes. As Glenn Beck touts that "return to God," many of his political fellow travelers demand Muslim Americans renounce their freedom of religion in lower Manhattan. Others target mosques in Tennessee and elsewhere. All involved would do well to heed the words of President Kennedy from that day in Houston 50 years ago:
"For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been -- and may someday be again -- a Jew, or a Quaker, or a Unitarian, or a Baptist."
Or a Mormon.
(This piece also appears at Perrspectives.)


I appreciate Beck's honesty and commitment to his values.
He is totally committed to his crazy backwards views, and you have to respect that.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
No, I don't. And neither should you.
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
Glen Beck believes in socialised justice, what's not to like about that. Over and over again he stated his support for equal justice for all, this is one of his major platforms. This means nothing but court appointed lawyers for everyone, equal justice, nothing but Government appointed lawyers that you must use either that or you can use faith and pray for your acquittal.
So no more big ticket lawyers, no more million dollar legal teams, Glen Beck would ban them all for his communist utopia legal system.
Hah...Beck is beholden only to lining his pocketbook & feeding his ego.
He was put on the air & kept there because he increased ratings...lest I have to mention the movie 'Network' with Peter Finch giving life to 'Howard Beale'.
Beck is on a gravy train...he will give his 'followers' whatever they want, with the most passion he can drum up.
And Beck has earned nothing but contempt---whhich is what he rightly deserves. Psychotic scum like him tear down what people of goodwill seek to build.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Don't forget contumly...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The word of the day should be spelled correctly.
Men are basically smart or dumb and lazy or ambitious. The dumb and ambitious ones are dangerous and I get rid of them. The dumb and lazy ones I give mundane duties. The smart ambitious ones I put on my staff. The smart and lazy ones I make my commanders.
In a strange sense, I agree.
I've always totally despised the uh... "dog whistle" approach to conservatism. The masks and facades and buzzwords. I'm actually grateful for Limbaugh to be saying stuff that's equal to "The poor? FUCK the poor. They deserve the back of your hand."
Of course, I then worry, that conservatism has gone on for so long, that many people won't be AS disgusted with being openly racist, openly intolerant of other religions, or openly unempathetic to the plight of other humans beings in general.
Article Six!
It doesn't matter if Obama is a non-believer or worships the great pumpkin.
What ever happened to the constitution or is that just a slogan of theirs?
(rhetorical)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
It's just a piece of paper...really old, outdated paper.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
All Hail the Great Pumpkin!
;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0FK1CgPpjE&fe...
http://www.hulu.com/watch/42231/the-simpsons-...
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
It matters that Obama sees fit to blather his own personal belief during public affairs, major speeches, the signing of passed bills, etc.
I am an atheist, and whenever I hear the LORD or GAWD or whatever religious pomposity being uttered by the Prez, I gag. It is his own personal business, and when he trots Gawd out for cover, it is when he is screwing the people.
Check it out. It's true.
And he's not the first Prez to use Gawd as his excuse to do things which are counter to even his own belief system. Gawd does not talk through Obama, any more than he (or she) speaks through Robertson, Gingrich, Bush, Cheney, Beck, Bachman or any of the other manipulative jerks who use Gawd as a tool for their and their tribe's advancement.
Where's that in the constitution? No where at all. It is the beautiful fantasy of the dim-witted, who are sure that they have all the answers, 'cuz Gawd has all the answers, and "Gawd speaks through ME!".
Pathetic.
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I'm still kinda on the shit list at work. When we were still waiting to hear if we were getting our grant, and getting tense because the announcement had been delayed at least four times, one of the workers (who had an inner office), there was blathering about her faith. To wit, that she had faith in God, and he would see her through. My thinking was if that were so why would he help me in the process? And why are so many people unemployed who indubitally have faith?
So I muttered under my breath, "Give me a break," and my boss heard it.
The woman saying this is in her 60's, and has a master's degree, but she was talking like a six year old. If a shrink heard her, they would chalk it up to magickal thinking, not religious.
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She's the same one who about a year ago, I was just making conversation about her open umbrella in her office, it was raining that day, answered my query with, "I'm not superstitious, I'm a Christian."
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Do any of these idiots give a rates about Beck's cult the Mormon church? I mean, he rants about Obama's religion and he is a member of a well organized cult that is not much better than Jim Jones, just a tad more organized, richer and more well established.
Let's see, if you are not a temple vetted ($$) Mormon and your daughter is you cannot attend or walk her down the aisle at her wedding. No one who is NOT temple vetted ($$) can attend temple weddings. But they most certainly can attend the reception, so what is the big deal (so they say) -- you are only family and (gee, aren't they supposed to be a big FAMILY religion).
Oh, and then there is that mission deal with your kid who cannot call you for six weeks and when they do they are "supervised" and can only discuss certain things (if it looks like Jim Jones' group, smells like Jim Jones' group then it must be like Jim Jones' group). Oh and this from a FAMILY oriented religion again.
This group brain washes big time. Oh, if a man sees a woman he desires but cannot have in this life he will have her in heaven. God promises that. Sounds a little 70 virgins to me.
Anyway, someone needs to start pointing out that Glenn the wacko is a religious wacko!!! He is a Mormon and anyway you want to call it they are a cult. When you separate families AS THEY DO -- you are a cult.
Just sayin'
Sue M
Sue Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!!
knows very little about Christianity and almost nothing about Mormonism, or any other faith. Most that consider themselves religious attend church, are thinking about something else during the sermon and rarely read the Bible, let alone understand it. They believe what they were told long ago and aren't conversant in religious scholarship.
As for Mormons, it wasn't until 14 or 15 years after the civil rights act passed that they even allowed people other than whites to hold any office in the church because they believed dark skin was a mark from God of sin. Many of the Mormon ceromonies and traditions from the early 20th century come from the Masons. It is an organized authoritarian cult where questioning doctrine or authority are grounds for ex-communication. Women have no rights or influence in the church and are subserviant to their husbands who have the power to decide if they will go to heaven. It's a great deal for men. It is lousy for women. Suicide, obesity, depression, child abuse and divorce in Utah rank among the highest in the nation. A whole of repression going on there.
Seeing as how their Prophet had a sudden epiphany about racial equality only after several major universities announced that they would decline to include BYU teams in their sports schedules as long as the Church persisted in discriminating against blacks.
I guess God's a sports fan.
Obviously the only solution is to elect one of my fellow atheists into office. Then the country can be united in its irrational hatred of someone different than themselves.
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
Richard Dawkins (1941 - ), "The Root of All Evil", UK Channel 4, 2006
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38909.html
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
“It's great to see new young guys coming through with imagination, creativity that always keeps the dunk alive.”
Darryl Dawkins
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/darryl_dawkins/
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
chocolate thunder, one of the prettiest turnaround jumpers ever, what got lost among the shattered backboards was what a pure shooter he was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Dawkins
says he is coaching now, the Lovuloid from Lovetron.
Although I'm no fan of militant atheism, what's hitting the Christians seems to be karmic repercussions for convincing others that their gods are a lie. Now people are asking if all these gods are lies, what about yours?
Who I prefer over Richard Dawkins:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/pe...
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To be a militant Christian, you need to buy a bunch of guns and kill an abortion doctor or blow up a clinic. To be a militant Muslim, you have to behead someone for not following your religion. But to be a militant atheist, all you have to do is speak your mind.
A number of recent news articles and commentaries by theists have cited "the angry Atheist"*, Many have called Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and Julia Sweeney angry.** To me they seem level-headed or funny. Is it anger they see, or a reflection of the emotion they feel about non-believers? Non-believers don't tend to burn people at the stake, persecute, fail to hire or discriminate based on belief. The anger that believers feel about non-believers is strong and sometimes dangerous. For centuries, the anger of believers has been demonstrated in persecution, torture, discrimination, etc. Freethinkers, Atheists, agnostics have never been welcome in any society where religion is strong. Most who make the accusation that Atheists are angry fail to look in the mirror.
Many a sermon seethes with anger. Few people are angrier than a righteous preacher talking about the current state of the world. If you watch a close-up shot of Pat Robertson, Paul Washer, James Hagee, Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard or James Dobson, you will notice that their facial gestures convey anger and that their voices sound angry. Their smiles are tense. They often use sarcasm in their description of those they do not like. They use aggressive language and hand gestures. War-like words are ever present in their vocabulary. Nothing of love or tolerance comes through, except in the most superficial of gestures and only for those within their viral group.
Of course, religionists do not define righteousness as anger, but it sure looks the same. It becomes most apparent when they perceive a challenge to their authority. Infected people do not perceive this as inappropriate or pathological anger. They see it as good preaching. “Amen brother! You tell’em." 'The nonverbal signs of seething anger in many ministers is simply too obvious. Their attitude is, "We should be angry about the secular world and how it treats us and our beliefs." The words are almost identical to something Osama bin Laden or the Ayatollah Khomeini might say. Anger is an underlying condition of fundamentalism.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIRb8TigJ28
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
Of coarse he doesn't agree with economic equality, Only a chosen few have the privilege to hold most of the wealth. Just coincidence that members of the organized religious CULTS, make enough for a 1000 life times in 1.
1.) Never trust a Mormon.
2.) If you find yourself in a position in which you have to ask, refer to #1 above.
As a jack mormon I found the faith to be not my deal but to say that is beyond the pale.
I wouldn't trust anyone who said "don't trust them cuz they're who they are"
Bigoted crap.
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
Nonsense. Your choice of invisible friend is no more a defining and immutable trait of your self than your favorite food. I would expand it though and erplace "mormon" with "religiuos person". You really shouldn't trust the opinion of any person over the age of 7 who still makes thier invisible friend(s) a significant part of thier lives. Or at least not any more than you would trust those of a 7 year old.
I only see my invisible friend on Friday and Saturday nights.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfXvW2wsuQ
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Anybody, lawfully, can have any invisible friend with which they care to pal around.
That's freedom.
You cannot lawfully make any test, requirement or punishment regarding my own invisible friend, or force me to submit to your spiritual fantasy invisible friend in order for me or my family to succeed in society.
That's freedom.
Anything else is a disgusting parody of freedom, and its adherents are anti-American, anti-constitutional and have no clue to the amazing wisdom of our founding fathers.
OH, and I can make fun of your invisible friend. It's rude, I know.
But that's freedom , too!
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My invisible friend has a sense of humor. So, he can handle a few insults.
That's why he hangs out with me.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
My invisible friend is really really STACKED...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I was raised a Mormon...
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Bingo, give the prize to you!!!!
you are so right!!!!
Sue Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!!
Have you seen Tony Auth's Beck cartoon, August 29, 2010? It's great!!!!
http://www.gocomics.com/tonyauth
far left loon >.<
I just know that I wouldn't be caught dead in your magic underpants -- they have to be quite a perversion in and of themselves. They won't protect you from violence or the wrath of your enemies...
And you believe you and your spouse-for-eternity are going to another planet after your deaths and rule it like Gods? That's straight out of La-La Land...
TAKE THOSE UNDERPANTS OFF!!!!! They're too tight and are giving you a brain fever.
Actually, they're crotchless with lace...
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just heard this quote from the bleck-fest -
"look forward. look to the west. look to the heavens"
another clue - the possibility of him readying the way for mitt the mormon?
he's probably setting HIMSELF up for the run... ...
of the turd kind.
Religion. What a waste of time and energy.
once the singularity is achieved
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzwell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_...
then we can all have our own planet, just like the mormon gods, or arthur clarkes starchild; come to think of it, not far from the 72 virgins fantasy.
when i read about some of these christian identity preachers going on about "mud men", (oh yes they do) and the adamic race; i think what a bunch of whackos, probably should be "audited", "clear" up those back taxes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
call me whatever you want, but when i see a religion where people wear masks around in public, it creeps me out
http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/content/articl...
perhaps i am not sophisticated enough.
heres the thing, people will be people, the constitution grants freedom of religion, what will be, will be, time to move on.
all these religionists are boring, obvious exploiters.
anyone that ever has to tell you how much better than you they are isn't.
System Burp.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5vn6OqnD_Q
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Glitch
Study the symptoms not the virus...
o_O I realize the point of this article was to point out the infighting between the sects, but every single one of these quotes is ultra silly. "MY Christianity's right. YOURS is wrong."
Still, this is what I've long suspected. Glenn Beck is using the America-born sect of Mormonism as his model for creating his own version of Christianity. One, very likely, to be devoid of all those pesky Christian messages that encourage helping the poor or treating people as equals.
"Staying on the offensive is critical to religious survival. When a religion loses its offensive edge, it begins to lose out to other more aggressive religions. The decline of mainstream Protestantism in the United States is a result of decreased aggressiveness and increased aggressiveness in competitive religious groups. Those with the best conversion programs will thrive."
fruitcake...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Funny. He tries to back track on his remark claiming that Obama is a racist confessing that he sometimes has a big mouth and says things he shouldn't. But then he proceeds to declare that Obama sees things through a Liberation Theology world view. As if Beck has a grasp on how anyone sees anything. What a self-absorbed blowhard. And yet, they continue to reverence and adore him. People are so d@mned lazy and/or stupid.
This guy is crazy. Why is Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes exploiting this mentally derranged individual? Beck belongs in a treatment facility not on television.
the one that is
printed on our coins, mentioned in our pledge of allegiance, and stated on the declaration of independence.
yes, there is a new god in town, and unlike all of the preceding gods named God, this one is american.
with they way they talk about him, i can't help but think they have created an entirely new entity.
"the flying spaghetti monster", he comes with a nice pesto sauce. you just can't get that with any other god.
beck and his ilk are snake oil salesmen, attempting to seperate the rubes from their cash. instead of tents, they have tv monitors.
... is the root of the worst evil! Becks popularity is an insight on how easy it is to exploit the people. These are people who don't/can't think thru the claims made by faith and political 'leaders". For example religious people can't think thru things like "Noah's ark" to a realization that it was not only impossible but preposterous... like where did he get the penguins from. And those teabag people on medicare out protesting with signs to keep the government out of medicare are another example of just how easy it is to exploit people. It's really an insight on how stupid people are and how many there are of them.
I just heard him saying on his show tonight that there were "half a million" people at the mall yesterday.....perhaps in his dreams. But CBS estimated 87,000.
What a maroon!!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
He's into Mammonism. Matthew 6:24
Men are basically smart or dumb and lazy or ambitious. The dumb and ambitious ones are dangerous and I get rid of them. The dumb and lazy ones I give mundane duties. The smart ambitious ones I put on my staff. The smart and lazy ones I make my commanders.
(edited)
Between a cult and a mainstream religion is the number of members.
That's a good one, thanks for the post...
the Mormonism. Who does this guy think he is to preach about Christianity, liberation theology, Civil rights? Could he possibly be a bigger egomaniac? He knows nothing about any of these things. He's a total charlatan, and needs to be called out.
I just wanted to point out that the story of Satan's fall was in Paradise Lost, not the Old Testament. Pat Robertson might have thought he was quoting the Bible, but you know, he probably only reads the parts he likes...
. . . the picture captions, then?
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isiah 14:12
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZsCYOM4j0
Fuck religion...really.
I thought Beck and the Reoligious Right got married. Or so said Dave.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Why should anyone care that beck is a moron (sp - meant morMon)? All religious people believe in an unverifiable being, or force, or... In the end, it is whatever makes one comfortable, and helps to explain the mysteries of life.
Everyone should simply let people have their own beliefs, and shouldn't say "mine is better than yours" as they are often wont to do. However, when one takes his religious belief and makes it a cornerstone of a persecution or killing of another, as many prominent religions are wont to do (fanatic xtianity, fanatic islam, fanatic judaism, among them), a problem arises.
We have a lot of problems in this world!
Glenn Beck believes in civil rights for white people only.
...are no wackier than Scientology, mainstream Christianity, Islam or ANY of the other ones. C'MON, do people REALLY believe that some sky god sent himself to Earth (as his own son), sacrificed himself to himself & raised himself from the dead in a little over a day & a half (Friday afternoon to Saturday afternoon= one day. Saturday afternoon to Sunday dawn=15 hours). ALL religions are FULL of this nonsense. I think is an insult to God to not use the brain he gave us, to think these things through, and see them for the plagiarized myths & fairy tales they are.. I believe in a God, but I no longer believe in divine revelation or religion. ALL religions, every last one of them, are cults, IMHO.
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