Question for Bob Marshall: Did God Punish Haitians with an Earthquake for Practicing Voodoo?
Bob Marshall is the Virginia Republican legislator who recently made a name for himself by claiming that God punishes women who have abortions by giving them disabled children.
Now we have footage of the guy who introduced Marshall at last week’s anti-Planned Parenthood press conference in Richmond, and it ain’t pretty.
Rev. Joe Ellison – with Marshall at his back – vouched for Pat Robertson and said that God punished Haitians with an earthquake because they practice voodoo. Then he introduced Marshall as a "warrior who will fight for our cause." Two minutes later, Marshall made his infamous remarks about God punishing women who have abortions. Here's Ellison, in the video above:
"From a spiritual standpoint, we think the Dr. Robertson was on target about Haiti, in the past, with voodoo. And we believe in the Bible that the practice of voodoo is a sin, and what caused the nation to suffer. Those who read the Bible and study the history know that what Dr. Robertson said was the truth."
Does Marshall stand behind Ellison and his remarks on Haiti? He would no doubt say no. After all, he is running away from his own remarks and lashing out at the student-run Capital News Service, which broke the story and ran circles around veteran statehouse reporters.
But the video of Marshall’s remarks speaks for itself, and the Ellison video is the nail in the coffin. Both men – like Pat Robertson – believe that God exacts vengeance on those who do not follow their peculiar and ultraconservative interpretation of the Bible.
Marshall is entitled to his offensive views, but he should not run from them. Pat Robertson, if there’s one thing you can say about him, at least has the courage of his convictions.
Coming from a religion that believes in its own sky daddy and has institutionalized child molestation.
The Christianic religion world wide does seem to have become nothing much more than a pedophile dating service that relies upon organized crime to rook and swindle the rubes out of money.
But to be fair, hasn't it always been? And isn't it zero different than any of the other big religions?
I'm sure that their Islamic colleagues also rape kids with the same frequency and zeal as Christanics do.
when this pathetic creature will discover that God wants nothing to do with him. Just a hunch.
or tries to tell you what they claim God says, is nuts
can't be forgiven. One lives and hopes. How can anyone who is not evil think that God would sacrifice a child to punish a "sinner?"
..steal one and pray for forgiveness.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
...of why born again forgiveness is so popular in prisons.
Evangelical forgiveness is very painless and does not require a sincere commitment.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
Anybody who thinks they have gods is already nuts.
Nice to know that there still are real journalists in this country!
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
"He was being satirical."
Good one!
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
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Of course it's NOT judging others when Christians do it, YES?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
If only he had some convictions (like, for fraud perhaps?) . . . .
Corruption favors the wealthy.
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Those without stones...
... Cast the first sin.
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
their all powerful god has a hand in directing the punishment of innocent people. What I object to is that these people hold office and their decisions affect people in a myriad of ways. What I object to is that these people who pretend or purport to be Christians forgetting the teachings of Christ in Matthew 25:31-45.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
. . . I'd be happy if they just remembered Matthew 6:5-6.
At least we wouldn't have to listen to it.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
heh.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
....They are ALL delusional idiots.
Cue the Kabuki....
see my post below
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A Prayer for Rev. Joe Ellison and Bob Marshall
May the Lord find a needle who's eye is big enough for you to pass.
Amen.
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
God always seems to support exactly whatever people who use his name want him to support.
Robertson has the courage of his insanity?
I'm sick of these delusional people forcing their views on the rest of us. Keep it at home or in church where it belongs.
They should move to Iran where their theofascist ideologies are in perfect accord with the government.
Dr? really?
Rita Braver: A lot of times (COUGHS) you're called-- a lot of times you're called Dr. Pat Robertson. Are you a-- do you have a doctorate in anything?
Pat Robertson: Oh-- yeah, I-- I have a-- a jurist doctor-- I'm-- I'm a--graduate of the law school. And when you're not--
RB: Oh my gosh--
PR: -practicing--
RB: --we'd have to call a lotta lawyers doctors--
PR: Well if you're practicing, you don't use doctor. But if you're not practicing, the jurist doctor is doctor. I also have a-- what they call a donated divinity-- (LAUGHTER) a Doctor of Divinity. So I've got a D.D. on top of the other. But the jurist doctor is-- is for real. And if you're not practicing, doctor is appropriate.
really?
"gentlemen" lawyers whose daddy or granddaddy got him admitted to Yale, like a legacy, i.e. George Bush. Yale does a lot of that, don't they? They have to do something with the family idiots and wing nuts. Yale! Whodda thunk it?
Yep. My Dad, a Yale graduate, walked me through the campus when I was 16 and told me I could go there if I wanted. I told him I only had a 2.7 GPA. he replied "There are ways."
Their reputation just keeps on tanking, doesn't it? Must be all those chickens coming home.
to try to cram pat robertson thru the eye of a needle?
when a needle crammed through the eye would accomplish the same?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"And we believe in the Bible that the practice of voodoo is a sin."
And yet these people pray for the death of various people whom they don't like? Isn't that black magic too?
form of general insanity pervasive throughout our society.
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Why do certain people act as though we're still as in-the-dark as we were 2000 years ago? It's not as though we don't now know what causes earthquakes and other natural disasters from a scientific standpoint.
Why must some people cling to Bronze Age ignorance and actually wear it as a badge of honor?
Embarrassing.
profitable
you have to believe your doing something right.
"Your gonna' have to serve somebody"
And then border it off.
No offense to the very few decent people left in Utah.
And subject Mormons to these god damned politicians? LOL.
Some how it seems a fitting punishment for everyone in Utah. }:-}
More scary that right wing conservatives and more scary than Palin's stupidity is religion in this country.
Religious evangelicals and their jihad and distorted views about life and morality in this country scare the shit out of me, as they have done a pretty good job an infiltrating the government.
Although Palin is one of the religious nuts!
... how many righteous people must there be in Haiti for God to have spared it? 1,000? 100? 10?
1?
And why is it the Christians are celebrating the ass-kicking from on high instead of praying to a wrathful God to stay his hand and show mercy?
Didn't God say he'd spare Gomorrah if there was one righteous person there? Oh well. He apparently wasn't too thrilled with the Sodomites either. But it's okay if you don't look back or have sex with your daughters, or both!
According to the classical Christanic mythologies, Soddom's and Gomorrah's "crimes" were inequity -- refusing to help the poor.
Republinazi Christanics seized upon the name "Soddom" and have successfully reworked the mythology to mean they were having homosexual sex and was punished for it however the classical Christanic mythologies specifically state that their "inequity" was turning away people in need.
Ask the typical Christanic cultist why Soddom was destroyed, they'll yark off with some hate-filled, totally insane spew about gays.
they're OK with it.
But when God does it to them, he's not punishing them. He's testing their faith.
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side,
You may be workin' in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair,
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir
But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
Isn't Christanity just lovely?
No wonder the United States has become a third world shithole.
strange philosophy in which God and man are enemies, in which there is no serenity, unless you happen to believe exactly what they want you to believe and no diversity.
It's tradition. Brahama the Bull is what these Christian loons are really worshipping -- along with Mithra and Ishtar and a mix of other gods and goddesses. Hell, their whole "resurrection" nythology is Mithras, instigated by Paul/Saul written of in the Lazarus myth.
Always the gods and goddesses are at odds with humans, ergo the priesthood that's needed to inform the rubes about what the gods and goddesses need to have done before the gods and goddesses are appeased.
And wouldn't you know it, handing over one's wealth and brain to the priesthood is aalways without fail what the gods and goddesses want the most.
Failure do to so will cause the River Goddess to rise up and drown your children, making an example of the other idiots in the tribe so that when the priesthood comes around again demanding tribute, the stupid fucks hand it all over least their own children be taken.
The religious are insane. Fucking insane.
but w/ better toilet paper!
Cue the Kabuki....
Quite true. If only the toilet paper was printed on stuff that was not glossy and had some texture to it.
It's amusing. When the United States was committing war crime atrocities in Vietnam and Korea, the people they were raping, torturing, and murdering demanded huge quantities of the Christanic mythologies, and Christianics were only all too happy to organize efforts to get them the free butt wipe.
I would expect anyone who believes that the bible is God's word to say stupid, mean shit like that. I don't understand the Christians who cherry pick the bible, and then condemn people like these tools. I mean, the bible is full of nasty, evil concepts, and the biblical God is one cruel mother. As a non-believer, it's ALL bullshit to me. I'm surprised Christians don't follow it more closely. Of course, they'd all be in jail.
..I do believe that the limitations of their knowledge created the stories attributed to some divine being. In reality, they were mere perceptions of natural events or other "oral histories" altered through the re-tellings. However, it is religion that allowed societies to grow and flourish as it was religion that taught the ancients to get along. Of course, they didn't always get along but if you kill a bunch of folks who don't believe as you believe, your beliefs will become dominant. Frank Herbert who wrote DUNE said it best (although it was in one of the books his son finished), "Religion is how we teach our children to act as adults." Sometimes, that's true but not always.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Maybe it is true the bible mentions voodoo is a sin, but it can never be proven those words are any truer than any other words.
But where EXACTLY does the bible say Voodoo is a sin. Does the "no other gods before me" cover that one? Of course God would HAVE to say that anyways. I don't recall the bible mentioning Voodoo explicitly.
To be fair, the gods in the classical Christianic mythologies are refering to their pantheon when stating "have no gods before me." Plural.
It's only a fairly recent modification of the Christanic cult which supposes that all of their gods in their mythologies are really one god. Christanity wasn't monothetistic on its onset, and it certainly is not today despite the cult followers' inability to count. }:-}
In the extant conflictive versions of the mythologies titled "Genisys," the pantheon specifically states that they will go down to Earth (or Teegeeack, if one's a Scientology loon) to dwell with the mortals. We. Us. Plural. Specifically, the Elohim.
Ironically (and not without amusement) the Mormon hate cult thinks that Elohim" is the name of the male god selected from the pantheon to be the god -- singular -- of the Planet Earth. They don't like saying the "name" Elohim outside of their temples however they're even more insane than the average Christanic loon.
have been practicing voodoo for some considerable time. Which would imply that god is either suffering from attention deficit disorder or that he/she is just plain lazy.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
free will.
And took it out on you. Ignore all my other comments. I apologize to you and the site mons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou
Seems like Haitian Voodoo was created in response to Catholism being forced on the slaves taken there from Africa in the 15th century.
Peace brother. We all have bad days.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
..man created God. God is Dog spelt backwards. the karma ran over the dogma. ma is pissed. teh stupid gives me a migraine.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz
LOL! His dog told him to kill and eat boys.
Seems entirely *equal* to these Christanic loons who think they have gods telling them to do things. Zero different.
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Which is true since Voodoo is a variation of Christianity, as is palo mayombe -- at least in its current instanciation among Christanics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_(religion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou
Voodoo as practiced today by the majority of adhearents is basically Catholicism stripped of a lot of its Romanic baggage.
I wonder if you polled Conservative Christians, how many would agree with the statement: "Disabled children are a punishment from God. Agree or Disagree?"
Followed by: "Do you agree or disagree that the recent earthquake in Haiti was God punishing the nation 10 million people for practicing Voodoo, something that less than 7% of the population engages in and has existed there for some 200 years?"
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
they LIED....The fact is, the Christian story is completely imaginary.
Cue the Kabuki....
... this flaw is inherent to all religions where there has been a prophet or pivotal figure. Once they're dead, the message, the intent, the meaning can all be hijacked.
Christianity has been divided and subdivided time and again. Protestants and Catholics and Lutherans and Presbyterians and Episcopalians and Baptists and Mormons and so on. Islam split based on the perceived line of succession, the caliphs vs. Mohammed's sons.
This is even happening to Buddhism, with China declaring their own successor to the Dalai Lama.
That doesn't even begin to touch upon how religion can be exploited to keep the peasants in line, or make money off of faith (or gullibility, as it were).
Does the fact that the four gospels don't even agree on key events diminish the meaning of Christ's teachings? Does 'do unto others as ye would have done unto you' become devoid of meaning if there WAS no Christ?
IS common sense morality....I believe in common sense, I do not believe in nonsense!
The reason why the Bible contains so much nonsense is because God is imaginary. The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.
Cue the Kabuki....
... what makes it nonsense? That he preached the common sense morality you claim to believe in, or that a bunch of self-serving rich white guys co-opted his reputation long after he was dead?
You're missing the essential point. Religion isn't flawed because it's a bunch of fairy tales (after all, Greek mythology and traditional folk tales undertake to teach some of the same moral lessons), but because it becomes profitable for man - fallible, corruptible, egotistical - to hijack it and carry it far afield from its origins.
And all the things you ascribe to the Bible - senseless murder, slavery, the oppression of women ... those aren't exclusive to the Bible, any more than morality is.
and... maybe there is some sort of divine-delay, but when the heckfire is god going to smite the usurers?
Didn't you hear? They can change ANYTHING whenever they want. Even God's words.
Whacko Minister who shows up at a whacko legislator's press conference
Ben Stein's Opinion of anything posted two days in a row.
Two days of Sally Quinn's column's fate
Abortion laws secretly targeting undoumented women for herb use.
Miss Murderous Beverly Hills.
We got everything this week.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
the patriot act being extended for another year.....
“This legislation extends three problematic provisions of the PATRIOT Act and, at the same time, leaves some of the most egregious provisions in place, absent any meaningful reform and debate." D.Kucinich.
And who the fuck is Sally quinn and why the fuck am I supposed to care?!
Cue the Kabuki....
..unemployment benefits which bunning from ky voted no on.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Can we give money to DSCC now? I was saving money by not going to Utah, and now that my UI check is coming can I donate again?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
you are not likely to get a prime place setting anywhere near the action anyway. You'll probably be next to Ben Stein.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I saw that. WTF? What's wrong with the public education in this country that produces religious hate-filled bigots?
What's wrong with the public education in this country that produces religious hate-filled bigots?
Hint--that's the plan!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Ignorance is strength. More strength for the Plutocracy when religion can be used to unite the ignorant poor against the thinking poor.
Watching rightwing Christians over the years it occurs to me evolution is just a theory.
..theory in science. Of course you know that. However, you don't live in Texas do you? Then, I wouldn't be so sure.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
It was sarcasm, of course you know that. I'm evolving.
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Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Texas A&M gives Master of Science in Animal Husbandry degrees.
We know about bloodlines and making sure the bulls mate with the cows, not the steers and such. And Aggies do not date heifers unless they cook good.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
their heifers.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
The most scientifically and mathmatically confirmed theory in all of science is actually quantum dynamics -- specifically, electrodynamics. Nothing has been so soundly verified, confirmed, tested, retested, and spawned predictions which have been tested and confirmed to the staggering degree that QED has been.
Just last month one of Obama's cabinet appointees and his colleagues measured the effects of Einstein's general reletivity theory to a degree 100,000 times finer than previously measured, and the results were entirely predicted by the theory.
utilizing a clock rate approximatly one million trillion trillion cycles a second, a photon -- the electromagnetic gluon -- was measured while in its superposition of states. The lower half of the uncollapsed probability wave was measured at rest while the upper portion of the same probability wavicle was measure traveling at the speed of light.
The artifacts of measurement of the single wavicle while still in superposition collapses the wave, obviously, but before the collapse, the variant bending of time/space caused by gravity was measured to an astonishing, massive degree of fineness.
Awesome science.
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..gets me excited.
If you haven't read it, The Dancing Wu Li Masters puts that into an eloquent context removing the math and turning Quantum Physics into an art. A little dated probably by now although they do mention the Higgs' boson.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
You can thank Richard Feynman for this staggering intellectual achievement. He was also quite a bongo player, too, I seem to recall. "Resonating with the universe" in more ways than one.
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
..beverlyhills saying all gays should put to death. Dan Savage had some choice words for her regarding passages in the Bible about killing disobedient children, stoning overly adorned women to death and killing women who were not virgins on their wedding night (and in regard to that last one, notice how "men" were excluded. They could boogie all they want without fear. Yep, no misogyny there.).
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Just as long as we don't boogie with other men.
..boogie board.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
speed bumps?:)
What is your conceptual, continuity?
..t-bags, spongers, little rubber people who don't shave, yeah, them.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Chum. Bait. and of course, speed bumps.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
..encounters with Sharks and those nasty schools of Bluefish not to feel like bait or chum myself sometimes. We all look like dinner from under the surface to a big fish.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
You've been dressing up in a seal costume.
;)
Corruption favors the wealthy.
but not enough to love their fellow man"
-Jonathon Swift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxRXNrZMu10
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Some people still contend our Civil War was unnecessary, that the economics of American slavery would have doomed the institution over time. Today, those who know better need only point to the citizens in Virginia who elected Marshall to office to refute that notion. Their perverted concept of Christ's teachings has always been invoked to justify their own crimes and abominations, and nothing will ever change them.
Christianity is the cult that white slave owners forced black people to accept, under threat of death. 'Voodoo' is just something with vestages of African religious beliefs....It's always sad to me when I see southern blacks embrace the slave master religion, yet condemn any beliefs that are of African origin...
It's time we start holding these jackasses feet to the burning bush.
If they want to claim that the bible tells them to hate gays or that god is punishing those in Haiti then they also have to observe the rest of the bible. If you eat shell fish your going to hell, miss church on Sunday or do more any kind of labor on the Sabbath - get the stones. And for you republican females, get in the back of the church, cover your heads and give up your right to vote. Shall I go on?
So many of these so-called Christians come off sounding like a very wrong cross between Nelson Muntz & the Marquis de Sade.
Why has Makkah (Mecca) never, ever had a serious earthquake, even though it's only a hundred miles from the very seismicly active Red Sea? Huh, Pat? Explain that!
And why does God so love the Chinese that he lets them take our jobs even while they are forcing women to abort their innocent babies?
... God is Chinese, and the white guys got it all wrong?
/snark
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
God punished Darth Cheney the other day--again--for his myriad sins and crimes against humanity. It's better to do it over and over instead of in one fell swoop. God also began punishing Mush Limpballs recently ditto. More to come for both.
Neanderthals in suits and ties , they belong in caves along with the Taliban .
...and I'm looking at you mainsteam media, call out Robertson and these other kooks to challenge them with the following: The Wahabis in the Middle East try to keep people ignorant and want to interpret the Koran for the uneducated so they can convince them to kill the infidels. How is the Christian right's dogmatic approach of "only people likely to support us financially will be saved" different than what the Wahabi clerics are doing? In both cases, it's all about manipulation and not thinking for yourself. But then, there's a lot that should be challenged with these guys.
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