Original cartoon from Matt Bors. It is a shame that messages this brutal have to come in the form of humor, but the word has to get out there somehow.
Open thread below...
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Some stuff you can't make up!
laugh and cry at the same time, it's so cathartic!
Matt Bors is now bookmarked.
that Joe Lieberman has been "pallin' around with terrorists" ??
than to make up "Death Panels" and the like.
been colluding with Big Insurance to terrorize us.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
http://www.mattbors.com/archives/591.html
Like getting tomorrows news today :o
health insurance they still can't afford, even with government subsidies going to change the fact they still can't afford insurance or skyrocketing medical treatment costs?
Get real the bills a total farce. Cash Confiscation, Legalized Extortion.
care bill is "socialism." More like socialism for the insurance companies. No you idiot, all the good socialist parts have either been removed or weren't considered up for discussion to begin with!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
single payer! So there are some voices of reason...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
well they are not in the senate, now are they?
i would call it a fascist bill (although i cringe to use the word). because in the true sense of fascism it uses the government to enforce laws for the benefit of corporations over the people. forcing everyone to buy for profit health insurance when a socialist system just makes good economic sense. why waste all of that money on a middle man...especially when we don't have it. ugh it makes me sick
You're right; according to wikipedia "fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy." In addition "socialist" systems like firefighter dep. and police dep. seem to work acceptable: everybody pays for the benefits of those in need because virtually everybody will eventually need one of these "social" services.
Homeowners Insurance
behind this clown . .
The kid even has this looney figured out.
http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/upload...
and spontaneously grow 14" at public events.
... he has anything that would grow 14 inches in public or in private.
You gotta be a genuine lefty for that ;)
Corruption favors the wealthy.
ominously dysfunctional. Yet he says "Count me among those who consider this an awesome achievement."
????????
koward.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Parents are upset about Cali's tuition hikes, for some reason. Well, maybe you shouldn't have voted in Arnie as governor, hmmm? Anyway, I just love the irony of people against war and corporate influence in politics supporting and endorsing a movie about dancing with smurfs from a CEO who's been the most avid proponent of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Don't blame me. I voted for Angelyne.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I thought I was pissed off .. whew!
By David Michael Green, professor of political science at Hofstra University in New York:
Now I’m Really Getting Pissed Off
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
for the big payback (The big Payback!!) Hey!
that felt good.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
That was a great rant. Now I'm sure I know who will get blamed when the Dems get their asses handed to them in 2010.
Those damned progressive turncoats!
LOL
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
The Democrats are dumb enough to think that their political future depends on passing a piece of legislation the vast majority of the American people are now against.
And, the Democrats are stupid enough to write the bill so that whatever benefits might come of this legislation will not go into effect for many years.
It all spells electoral disaster for the Democrats next year.
Fuck 'em. They deserve the defeat, and we're not getting anything for their tenure anyway.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Somehow Palin wins big.
far left loon >.<
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Good cartoon. I feel for you all with this health care stuff.
far left loon >.<
... on expatriates' quality of health care versus us domestics?
In other words: Is an American generally better off health care wise by leaving America?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
It would depend which country you went to and what their system is-- and what their medical costs are there. You'd have to research by country.
If you're legal in Canada, you're laughing. Europe is OK too.
In Korea, when I work I pay into their system and it covers about 80% (?), you pay the rest. Right now I'm not working so I guess I'm not covered. However, going to the doctor is often not expensive.
I rarely get sick-- almost never. Good genes? I eat very healthy too. If I were dying I'd be getting on a plane to Canada.
I know lots of Europeans get dental work in Thailand, and then have a beach holiday. The savings pay for the vacation.
Need to research, by country. I think you pay A LOT in the USA!!!!!
edit: for any facing a major medical procedure, w/o insurance, I'd be shopping around in other countries for much cheaper medical costs!!
far left loon >.<
... how much of the Korean system do we pay for when it's all sorted out? or the Israeli system? or the European system for that matter?
I know that the money or troops aren't a direct subsidy, but I'm thinking that if some other country picked up a portion of our defense expenditures we might have a few extra nickels lying around.
I was also thinking that perhaps Korea, Germany, Japan, and the hundred or so other countries we occupy could at least send thank you flowers... unless, of course, they'd rather not be occupied.
never mind.... sometimes I think too much.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
The American Empire may be the only empire in history that didn't exact monetary tribute from her vassal states, instead giving monetary grants to those states (with strings attached, of course!) to maintain their fealty.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
The American taxpayer supplies the vassals "benefits" through the front door while multi-national corporations steal those benefits (and then some) out the back.
Different method; same result.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
You got that right fiver. It's economic imperialism.
In Korea's case, the US wants bases here because it is MAINLAND East Asia (Japan is an island):logistics of troops amd equipment movement, etc.. Korea borders Russia and China. N Korea is a pawn of all sides: no-man's land, a buffer state, if you follow my thinking. Korea is a toehold on the continent.
far left loon >.<
American "food aid" to Country X is a bundle of cash with the stipulation that Country X spend that cash on food from (you got it!) American Agriculture Inc., which already sucks in enormous taxpayer subsidies in the first place.
One result is that the highly subsidized American food undersells the local farmers in Country X, causing failure of agriculture in Country X, forcing migration from the rural areas to the overcrowded cities in Country X.
And they are now dependent on American Agriculture Inc.
YAY!!!
American generosity pays off in the end!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Part of the Korea free-trade agreement was allowing in (cheap) American rice and beef. Koreans are proud of their rice paddies and rice-growing heritage, and fear that way of life -(very important stuff here!!)- will disappear. Rice isn't just food here, it's the essence of a culture. Koreans know it costs a little more to buy Korean, but it makes their hearts sing.
Most Asian countries, and especially Korea (Japan too), are extremely highly nationalistic.
far left loon >.<
I've seen footage of Korean farmers opposing that agreement.
I seem to recall one very famous farmer killed himself in protest .. right?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
You don't pay for any of the Korean system, just for your own bases. The Koreans pick up a hefty tab to have the bases here too!!! The powers that be always play the N Korea scare card, along with the Japanese hawks.
Korean conservatives (hawks) want to keep them and Korean progressives want them gone (pretty much). Same shit different country. Same in Japan too.
I think there are far too many misconceptions in America about your role in the greater world. Korea is NOT POOR at all, not any longer. I believe they're lending money to America to finance your debt now, just like China and Japan do.
far left loon >.<
Can you elaborate on the divide? Is there a consensus that North Korea is a threat? Or is the divide more as to whether US troops are needed to meet this threat?
As to the debt: I'd still like to know why it's always scary foreigners holding our debt. I get that China and Korea, and wealthy entities everywhere are heavily invested in Treasury securities.
But so is Goldman Sachs.
Of course, when the main creditor is China with its billion people and its nukes, it seems so intractable. When it's Goldman Sachs it could be easily addressed with one tax bill.
I've looked for an authoritative breakdown with no luck.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
See, the history is very complex (just like in the Middle East). I get it because I live here, but there isn't space enough here.
Korean hawks are descendants of the military dictatorships (imo), and still the rulers. The Miracle of the Han River came from the dictatorships' intervention in the economy by propping up elite individuals, also highly (truly bizarro) Xian because of US missionaries after the war, and now they run Samsung, LG, Hyundai etc. So these elites are (mostly) bizarro (phony) Xian, conservative and pro-USA.
Then we mix in the Buddhists and the Atheists, and the "common man", and most of the public yawns about N Korea, but they still have a National (anti-commie) Security Law, and they can arrest people that don't toe the gov't line. They've been brainwashed all their lives about the commie scare, but they also feel these are our brothers and sisters and cousins, and they want to embrace them. So, it's really weird. On top of this, you have to remember, they are highly Confucian and must demure to every and all authority....
See, I could write a book. This just doesn't even begin to explain.
Let's just say, the affairs in every country are damned complicated and anyone trying to sum it up as us and them, or good guys and bad guys--- well, it just don't work!!!!
Personally, I one that yawns at the N Korean scares in the media, and most people around seem to yawn also.
The MSM here is totally fucked, basically. It's a democracy, yet most people don't trust the government at all-- not one bit. It's really weird, but I get it. If you lived here you would too.
far left loon >.<
Thanks, Edwin. I get it a little bit better now. Or, more importantly, I get that I don't really get it.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
That wasn't anywhere near the tip of the iceberg even. I didn't even get to around 95% of it.
Koreans are nice people, still trying to overcome a lot of bad history, with some bad players, and foreign intervention. They have never invaded anyone. They just want to be left alone???
far left loon >.<
In an earlier thread, I posted a Karencatures encapsulation of the health care "negotiations." At the end of that post, I wrote, "to be continued."
I'm continuing it here:
Progresso-crats: Okay, look. We're not voting for this. We'll do whatever we have to, and if that means killing this so called 5% victory, so be it.
Democrats: God damn it, okay. Let's gather the Progresso-crats and a few Conservo-crats together to see if we can figure something out we can all agree on.
Progresso-crats: Say, if we try Y, we can actually get back up to 15% of X, which is what the Republicans said they'd go for in the first place. It's different from what we wanted, but hell, at this point, we'll go for that.
Democrats: Well, Conservs, whaddaya think?
Conservo-crats: That's an interesting idea, but here's what we will go for: First, take out Y. Next, let's do that mandate thing Republicans like, where the people themselves are forced to cover the cost of however much X we get. And finally, spit the Progresso-crats' faces, and give them only a few little crumbs they can spin into a victory if they're smart politically. Sound good?
Democrats: Well . . . . .
President: Sounds good to me.
Democrats: Oh, well, then yep, sounds good! Thank you for compromising for the good of the American people.
Progresso-crats: WHAT?!?!?! They didn't compromise!! They gave us crumbs in exchange for forcing people who already can't afford X to buy it themselves!
President: My fellow Americans, the Progresso-crats are irrelevant, irrational, kooky fringe people who are just throwing a tantrum. You know what's guaranteed? Do what Progresso-crats want, and your premiums will go up. That's guaranteed.
Pro-progresso-crats: Well, we'll keep fighting for more, but you know, there actually are a lot of good crumbs in the 5% we're buying. It'd be a shame to lose those crumbs altogether. We'd be cutting off our noses to spite our faces. We should at least buy the 5% of X that we need.
Con-progresso-crats: Rubbish! This bill makes everything worse. It must be changed or stopped. Period.
. . . . and the number of Con-progresso-crats begins to dwindle . . . .
--------------------------to be continued---------------------
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
At least tell me you had a letter from a right wing lawyer who's never represented a real live person in their entire career. 'Cause that's just as good as any neutral and detached magistrate. /snrk
Nice. I'll look for #3
Corruption favors the wealthy.
A proxy war between the Iranians (backing the breakaway Shias in Yemen) and the Saudis (backing the Yemeni Sunni majority) with a little help from American cruise missiles.
Yemen conflict raises Gulf tensions - 15 Nov 09
Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Yemen Terrorists - 21 Dec 09
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
One issue hardly mentioned here at C&L is the recent serious deterioration in US relations with Latin America.
The US was the only nation - in the region or the world - that did not strongly condemn the coup in Honduras, but put on a transparent charade of trying to help restore democracy while in fact doing only enough to give an appearance of doing so.
But what's really got the Latin American nations up in arms (literally it seems) is the expansion of US access to Colombian military bases. When the document was signed it was vehemently denounced by leader after leader.
And now Hugo Chavez has accused the US of flying a spy plane over Venezuela, flown out of Colombia.
The Latin Americans had very high hopes from Obama. Those hopes have been dashed.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Can you blame them? For decades, the U.S. government has treated Latin American nations very badly. Was it too much to ask that the U.S. treated these nations as an honest partner, and respect their sovereignty?
I'll tell you, after living abroad for so many years, and especially in a political crossroads like Korea, what we get as news of many places (from the Western/American perspective) isn't worth much. It's so twisted and distorted and watered down, it's useless.
far left loon >.<
I had a prior disagreement with someone on a different forum who said that Obama was the Dems answer to Bush: a dewey-eyed optimist who thinks so highly of himself that he can't or won't deal with the reality of the situation. I was so hoping Obama had at least more common sense or initiative, but, other than visiting more countries, he's still sitting on the sidelines, when it comes to our domestic economic security. Christ, if this is really the best President in a "long time", as the guy who formerly ran Bushflash put it, what the hell do we have to look forward to in the future?
Hillary Clinton
Corruption favors the wealthy.
sorry, I'm feeling a bit pessimistic myself....
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I feel the same way.
You have a good night. Sweet dreams all :)
And GN all...
Corruption favors the wealthy.
GNA. Time to cook dinner over here.
far left loon >.<
Palin
-- cuz sometimes I'm just naughty; a brat.
far left loon >.<
Miss Sarah, yew betcha!!
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
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Corruption favors the wealthy.
Awesome cartoon.
From the AP:
"Today we are closer than we've ever been to making Sen. Ted Kennedy's dream of universal health insurance coverage a reality," Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
That's all Kennedy wanted, for all Americans to own private insurance? Wow, ok...Mission accomplished everybody! Kennedy's dream has been realized. :S
Down for about two weeks after motherboard crisped. Was weird having NO computer for anything. This one I got is pretty bare-bones; trying to figure out all my missed stuff--links, passwords, bookmarks, etc. Gonna take a LONG time to retrieve even anything off it.
Hope all have been well...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Did you crisp your hard drive?
The computer is the host, the hard drive is brain.
Macs were much easier at moving drives than PCs though I don't know what has been done more recently.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
than does I said that he thinks he'll be able to salvage the C-drive. Getting down to have him look at it may have to wait a couple of weeks though.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N88fJCWLQxU
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Baby Burka if you ask me.
I'd rather just nurse my child if I really needed to with a light blanket thrown over my shoulder.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Spam-a-lot…
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
yesterday by Ian Masters on KPFK here in L.A.
During the course of the interview she mentioned that the U.S. now outsources three-quarters of all work to private corporations.
Why am I not surprised by this?
Just found this interview with the author. It's over an hour long but I'll bet it's worth watching:
http://www.newamerica.net/events/2009/shadow_...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
PrivatizationWatch.org here
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Is that it ends up being so beauracratic in hunting down people who "break the law" by not being insured that there's no way they can screw us over immediately, since they have to have a whole system to implement it. Unless of course Congress manipulates that law which allows the feds to spy on us just to go after "perps". But they wouldn't dare abuse the system for that. =p
We start a campaign to get all the doctors/hospitals/dentists/eye care providers etc. to simply send our bills to Medicare for reimbursement.
We should all just act as if we ARE all covered by Medicare!!!!
When Medicare tells the doctors/hospitals etc. that they are not responsible for the bills we'll go to court and challenge it with lawyers claiming we have already given PLENTY of money to the federal government and we expect our medical needs to be covered BEFORE any military expenditures are paid.
I like this idea....it's, well...revolutionary!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
From a clearly Marxist point of view, though he is never mentioned once, which is a good way too,
Peak Oil, Peak Food By Aetius Romulous here
The Oil drum a compendium of the convergence of the dual impossibilities of the human condition: energy and climate with the imperiled social paradigm thrown in for good measure.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Seems like monkey bars would be a fun places to get a drink.
Just refuse any snacks.
http://www.cardsunlimited.com/largeimage/Monk...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
C&L Midwest meetup @ Panera Bread Sunday Jan 9, 9a.m., Near hwy 44 hwy 270 interchange on Lindburgh Rd.
We need to mobilize, we need to go pro active!
Let's get started.
'Talk to the hand'
HAHAHAHAHAHA :|
What a hack.
So, umm, the comic doesn't really make the point you think that it is making.
And does it show what kind of claims are denied by Medicare v private insurers?
me-oww!
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