First US Official Resigns Over Afghan War; Says "It's Not Worth The Fight"
I'm so glad someone who has been there has finally said it:
(I)n a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, (former Marine Corps Captain Matthew) Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency.
"I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States' presence in Afghanistan," he wrote Sept. 10 in a four-page letter to the department's head of personnel. "I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy, but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end."
The reaction to Hoh's letter was immediate. Senior U.S. officials, concerned that they would lose an outstanding officer and perhaps gain a prominent critic, appealed to him to stay.
U.S. Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry brought him to Kabul and offered him a job on his senior embassy staff. Hoh declined. From there, he was flown home for a face-to-face meeting with Richard C. Holbrooke, the administration's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
"We took his letter very seriously, because he was a good officer," Holbrooke said in an interview. "We all thought that given how serious his letter was, how much commitment there was, and his prior track record, we should pay close attention to him."
While he did not share Hoh's view that the war "wasn't worth the fight," Holbrooke said, "I agreed with much of his analysis." He asked Hoh to join his team in Washington, saying that "if he really wanted to affect policy and help reduce the cost of the war on lives and treasure," why not be "inside the building, rather than outside, where you can get a lot of attention but you won't have the same political impact?"
Hoh is quick to say he's not some hippie peace-nik. Sigh. Why does he make that sound like a bad thing? But Hoh does feel that our presence does nothing but escalate violence and turmoil with the Afghans.
(M)any Afghans, he wrote in his resignation letter, are fighting the United States largely because its troops are there -- a growing military presence in villages and valleys where outsiders, including other Afghans, are not welcome and where the corrupt, U.S.-backed national government is rejected. While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, he said, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war.
As the White House deliberates over whether to deploy more troops, Hoh said he decided to speak out publicly because "I want people in Iowa, people in Arkansas, people in Arizona, to call their congressman and say, 'Listen, I don't think this is right.' "
"I realize what I'm getting into . . . what people are going to say about me," he said. "I never thought I would be doing this."
The New Atlanticist, a foreign policy blog, looks at it from a different POV: While Obama Dithers...
Now, as it happens, I think Hoh's analysis of the situation is spot-on:
Hoh's doubts increased with Afghanistan's Aug. 20 presidential election, marked by low turnout and widespread fraud. He concluded, he said in his resignation letter, that the war "has violently and savagely pitted the urban, secular, educated and modern of Afghanistan against the rural, religious, illiterate and traditional. It is this latter group that composes and supports the Pashtun insurgency."
With "multiple, seemingly infinite, local groups," he wrote, the insurgency "is fed by what is perceived by the Pashtun people as a continued and sustained assault, going back centuries, on Pashtun land, culture, traditions and religion by internal and external enemies. The U.S. and Nato presence in Pashtun valleys and villages, as well as Afghan army and police units that are led and composed of non-Pashtun soldiers and police, provide an occupation force against which the insurgency is justified."
American families, he said at the end of the letter, "must be reassured their dead have sacrificed for a purpose worthy of futures lost, love vanished, and promised dreams unkept. I have lost confidence such assurances can be made any more."
But, gee whiz, our senior leadership is so lacking in confidence in their policy that they're afraid some 36-year-old former junior officer with nine months' experience in the foreign service (presumably, much of it spent in training!) will go on the "Colbert Report" and criticize it? So it would seem.
They've brought this on themselves. Granted, President Obama inherited this war and his people may have fought it differently had they been in charge during the first seven years. (An unlikely counterfactual, to be sure, since he was an unknown state senator at the time.) But it's a fight he clamored for during the campaign, stressing it as "a war of necessity." And he doubled down almost immediately, sending more troops and firing a well-respected four star commander to replace him with a counterinsurgency guru. But now he's dithering, signaling in the press that he's lost confidence in the strategy and can't make up his mind as to what to do now.
While I don't appreciate the adoption of Cheney's framing--Obama isn't dithering, he's considering carefully his options--James Joyner has a point. Obama pushed Afghanistan as the "good war" and the reverberations of Hoh's resignation do appear to have leadership scrambling.


I cant help but think we really MIGHT be on the road to ending this unjust war. (iraq too) Can only hope and pray...
You're a funny guy. Us Americans are a bunch of warmongers or a bunch pussies. The right will force the hand of the left and use the "cut and run" and the patriotism. We'll never leave Afghanistan. No less than ten more years and a couple of thousand innocent American bodies. Let's not forget the dead Afghani civilians. I'm willing to bet every years paycheck for the next ten years that there will be dead Americans in Afghanistan unless we elect a Democratic president with balls.
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because you're right.
At times it really sucks to be right. This is one of those times.
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that can't beat a handful of insurgents in one of the poorest countries on the planet after over 8 years. I think you may want to stick with the pussies idea. The Bush administration and their supporters were a bunch of pussies for dropping bombs on innocent civilians instead of going after al Queda as an international crime syndicate. And the Obama administration and their supporters are a bunch of pussies for not ending the bombing of innocent civilians and going after al Queda as an international crime syndicate. Anyone who fights crime with military force is not only a pussy but a very stupid pussy who's going to get his shit handed to him and come up empty at stopping the crimes.
when you engage people who have nothing to lose.
Afghanistan is where empires go to die. It has been the same constant for a few thousands of years, regardless of their economic situation.
For crying out loud, that is a place whose national sport involved playing polo with the corpse of a goat.
Right-wingers see Afghanistan as the gift that keeps on giving - if you're a poppy farmer, or a herion dealer, or an arms merchant, or a military contractor.
Whyever would they want to give all that up?
When there's blood in the streets, there's money to be made.
First, I can't think of a democrat with those balls...that has the other talents needed to win a presidential election (love ya Grayson, but no way). Obama will commit enough troops not to lose in Afghanistan but everyone knows deep down it is totally unwinnable. They just want the other party to get the blame. Obama will waste lives doing this hoping for a 2nd term by acting tough and not giving the rightwing patriotic ammunition. If Obama wins his 2nd term he will guit the fight in Afghanistan the next year and take the heat and his place in history.
If Obama loses, the new republican (if a bright moderate) will do Nixon. He will make sure he doesn't lose and hang in there to look strong and then quit the war after he wins that 2nd term (if he can avoid a Watergate type scandal}. Republicans have the talent of looking tough as they screw up wars and waste lives. The fastest and least costly way out is to re-elect Obama, but either way the results will be the same...a fricken waste of soldier's lives, Afghani lives, and probably a trillion dollars or so.
Now if a rightwing nutjob republican becomes president, well, the
consequences of that are so bad I can't count the ways but the USA we know and probably other counties can kiss their butts goodbye.
Democratic presidential candidate with balls. Hmph. How's he/she supposed to win? That's been tried. We don't make presidents, presidents are made and put in place for us. So yeah, youre going to win your bet(s). Guaranteed.
Goodnight, D. Kucinich, et al.
three letter word called "oil".
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com...
. The real reason that Dick Cheney changed from the man who in 1991 (and in 1994 he repeated it) said, "Going to Baghdad is not worth a single soldier or Marine," to some 12 years later, "Going to Baghdad," with some enthusiasm, is a three letter word called "oil". The reason that the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline is putting out 4 million barrels per day into the eastern Mediterranean has every bit as much to do with US presence in Iraq and the stability that that gave for private investment to put forward the $26 billion as it does with any genius having figured out the right path for the pipeline. Similarly, the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India gas pipeline (TAPI) going to our newest ally in the world
that this is such a slap in the face to Dithering Dick. How will Double D spin this to fit into his, "The generals want more troops, why does Obama dither when the generals want more troops?" meme?
I'm wondering what you would call a "Just" war cynn??? Was it a Just war back in 2001?? Or has it always been Unjust? Was the war with Bosnia back in 1999 just? Would it have been more "just" to go to war in Sudan rather Afghanistan???? Truth be told, No war is just...what war is is a necessary evil...well some are. Others are begun just because some moron wants to impress daddy-dearest.
I, like most military members, still do see the war in Afghanistan to be a "necessary evil". You can ask scores of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and you'll get scores of answers why we all feel it is still necessary for us to stay there. I'm sure Mr Hoh thought so as well in the beginning. But I believe he was stationed in Zabul Province in south-central Afghanistan which is not only on the border with Pakistan, which allows Taliban free passage, but it is also isolated and very rugged. (I'll bet that had something to do with his resignation)...which makes it perfect for the Taliban to thrive. There is very little ISAF presence and of course the Afghan nor Pakistan Armies aren't much help.
If all of you must know, NONE of us want to be there. Afghanistan is is a god awful place...The Moon is more hospitable than most of the country! But we feel it is necessary to prevail. To pull out will allow the Taliban to thrive again...and most people who know the atrocities of the Taliban would agree: To dispose of them is JUST!
your logic. I hope our "Great New Hope" makes you happy with a surge and all. Hell, it will help the economy and thin out the population a bit. And all those heroic fly boys need new targets after the debauchery in Iraq. Trouble is they really cut back on the wedding parties in Afghanistan. Public gatherings are a no no too.
And when can we leave?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
War is profitable to the people who pay politicians.
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but the 'Defence' industry is now the largest functioning component of the US economy ... heck millions of families are making a living because of it, not just the mega corporations, and that mandates that wars must be fought ... otherwise you are just selling guns and planes to tinpot dictators (think 1980's). Sorry but this is the big $how and it aint ending anytime soon.
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the US economy.
The defense sector may be the largest manufacturing base left, mainly because they can't outsource it... due to silly expectations by the pentagon of having the weapons made locally. But it is not like the MBA vermin are not trying to get around it...
...I was referring to manufacturing and the 'hard' economy God knows how much is really floating (or not) around in that Ponzi Casino known as the financial sector ...some asshole making another Billion this week probly isnt contributing much to his home-town's economy, not like 1000 people making 75,000 p/a ;
but the pressure to maintain the MICC Complex will be relentless, nobody will be walking off any battlefields anytime soon ... (btw sorry for your losses this week its heartbreaking...)
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is one of the last big industrial bases left in this country, simply because they are forced by contractual law to manufacture stuff in the US. Else, we wouldn't even have that left.
... the rich are running out of things to fucking steal!
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the white house for less than 8 months to see the "light" what a guy.
I love how officers get to write "letters of resignation" but troops get shafted with a court martial for desertion.
I don't think he's been in Afghanistan all that long and when he was in the military he couldn't resign nor even speak out. Too bad that Colin Powell doesn't have a tenth the integrity of this fellow.
... having integrity would have implied he would have opened his mouth or acted his conscience long ago. This looks like just a guy pussying out from a crappy assignment.
I don't say I blame the guy, though.
PS> Officers can and do resign. It all depends on how attached they are to their pensions and benefits.
"years ago" it may have seemed like the right fight for him. Only after reflection and the mishandling he may have finally seen the truth. just like playing poker. You won a few hands and felt pretty good about yourself and continued. You lost a few hands but expected to win it back but continued...You're making it to easy.
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... but then that sort of trumps all that mental masturbation about this guy's "honor, courage, and integrity"
Honestly, it just looks like a guy who got stuck with a sh*tty assignment and he is getting out of it. It seems like much ado about nothing. I think us peaceniks are projecting way too much on the actions of this fellow. But I am willing to admit I could be wrong if this leads to a meaningful change in perception that forces the government to start getting their act together and realize we need to get the f*ck out of that hell hole ASAP.
You can't be to hard on these people or you prevent others from coming out. Was he wrong for even participating? Fuck yeah!
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... I want to be clear about that.
I am just pointing out that this is quite a long shot from being a meaningful action from some public officer with any sort of weight. This is just a nobody getting out of a sh*tty job. Good for him, but quite a ways off from making this feller a hero for peace.
What exactly was his job?
same sex marriage.
it seems he was out of the military. His resignation is from the state department (his current employer).
that's what he wants. He has brought this into the public eye, so I suspect there is more to it. I live near Scott McClellan, so I am familiar with how some of these things work. We'll see.
According to what I read earlier today I think he served in Iraq while he was in the service. It doesn't seem to have taken him long to speak out once he realized what was going down.
This is what the left does so much, that the right never does: eat their own, and especially take a big bite off the sugary top without checking to see what the topping covers before noisily eating it.
Another thing the left does that the right doesn't: Slap the face of everyone from the right who resolves their cognitive dissonance by wising up and coming over to us. I saw lefties in the clinton era cross over to the right, and you should have seen how sweetly they were welcomed. Not one face slap, not one recrimination, just "Welcome aboard, look how smart you turned out to be, we love you now."
That would be the way to do it. The left will never do that, though. Snarling superciliousness is more fun.
reflect more the MO of a conservative, me thinks.
Congratulations, I guess...
Just counting down to the smear campaign against against Matthew Hoh from the extremist war loving right.
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Agreed. I expect McChrystal is staining his panties in righteous rage at the very impertinence of this soldier. How dare he!
I find it compelling that even after they (presumably) backed up a dump truck full of money or connections, he still just wanted the heck out of Afghanistan. Says something about his character (and the complete lack of it in those doing the bribing).
Tyler seems to have started it already.
It's short, well-written and well-argued. It's not a slick, self-serving, press-release that you're used to reading nor is it like the smug, stilted pieces that often emanate from the punditry. One hopes that the government will find a better use for this man of talent, sincerity and integrity.
of talent, sincerity, and integrity.
must be obama's fault everthing else is.
If Obama keeps digging then he'll have some claim to the ownership of that hole. Let's hope he at least stops digging.
and he is escalating the war. Thats ok, we know there are not very many Obama apologists left.
... I hear angry pompoms in the distance ;-)
Whether it is better to make a whole bunch of new enemies, or just get the fuck out of Afghani-Nam.
Love it or leave it, Obama.
Tell you what: Let's leave. If they send terrorists to attack us again, then we can bomb the shit out of them. Again. It's really just a matter of whether they feel like living like cave people.
http://washingtonindependent.com/65335/dont-c...
the crap is just starting to fly... they'll besmirch his character right to hell, those ba$tards! I hope he doesn't listen to a thing they say...
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makes it sound like he's a ho.
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And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is
VietnamAfghanistan;And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
http://www.well.com/~cjfish/game.htm
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
gesture by a guy who was, at best, a probationary FSO. He has/had ZERO seniority. It's doubtful they had given him a key to the exec latrine yet...
I applaud the gesture, but the story is hugely overplayed given the relative insignificance of the primary player...
Nice gestures are never completely meaningless.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
remember what the road to hell is paved with.
That'd be good intentions
(he gestures from his handbasket)
:)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Is the road to heaven paved with bad intentions?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... if you compare the body counts attributed to God and Satan in the bible, it seems Satan only killed a couple of folks through the entire book (both new and old editions), while God broke the meter.
So you may be correct after all... ;-)
Is the road to heaven paved with bad intentions?
I never thought of it that way! .... I think my life has taken a turn for the better! (or worse maybe)
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because the phrase "good war" is an oxymoron in my book Thank Christ for us hippie-peaceniks!
Not even for:
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Umemployment benefits have been extended!
(just heard it on the radio)
A little ray of hope for those facing no employment.
A few more weeks is better than nothing going into the holidays.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
It is good news Handy but I would prefer a friggin job and to be working again . Unemployed , first time at 58 years old , and the future is not lookin good , this is not fun . The trickle down theory works alright , we are getting pissed on big time .
Imagine if Afghan troops were posted throughout big sky country, hunting down red-necks, i.e. dead-enders, and shooting and bombing them as necessary to remove them as a threat to a new government. It only takes a second to realize what is happening and why it is so stupid to be there.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
hmmmmmmmm...... where have I heard that before? Oh Yeah!!! From me before they frigging started dropping bombs on innocent people in Afghanistan, one of the poorest nations on the planet.
Did you all forget that there is a pipeline that still has to be built there?
I just happen to not be one of Unocals peons.
bothered to look where Afghanistan is in a map...
between 2002 and 1/20/2009?
On Christmas Eve, in 1979, the evil red menace attacked the peaceful God-fearing inhabitants of Afghanistan. They knocked on doors telling the people they were there to help; then killed them when they didn’t want the help. The atrocity of the Soviet occupation lasted almost 10 years. But the Afghans fought back - with guns and bullets, and rocket launchers, and mines, and methods of destruction SOLD TO THEM BY US. When the Soviets left, we wanted our toys back. They said no.
Now we are there. We knock on their doors and tell them we are there to help. We then kill those that don’t want our help. So they use their guns and bullets, and rocket launchers, and mines, and methods of destruction AGAINST US. They buy more from China.
This can all end. The killing can stop. The weapons will all rust into uselessness if we simply declare victory – AND LEAVE.
We were told we couldn’t leave Vietnam also. We were told if we left there, the evil empire would soon be knocking at our doors. We would be next. IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. Nothing was lost. The war was stopped.
“Strange Game. They only winning move is not to play…”
a significant % of the Afghani pop. would be insulted to be described as peaceful.
Be as you wish to seem
Perhaps, but that was our description when they were our friends as the enemy of our enemy. When the Soviets did EXACTLY what we are now doing, they were an innocent proud independent people who needed protection from the evil Soviet Menace.
What’s changed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9KMh4Q3jgM
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the reason there are no more US troops in Viet Nam? They got their butts kicked and lost that one. I read an article today that even before another Obama Surge, troops outnumber the Taliban 12 to 1. They are going to lose this one too. Boo Yah.
Yeah, like Vietnam, there’s no way to win in Afghanistan short of killing everybody. There is certainly a way to lose, and we’re on our way.
It would be much easier to declare victory now (and get out), then to wait until the claim of victory rings hollow.
Hoh is quick to say he's not some hippie peace-nik. Sigh. Why does he make that sound like a bad thing?
Ummm - because it usually is a good thing, but sometimes it's a really stupid thing? If you renounce mortal defence, you're done for, before you even begin. Proof?
1776.
Were they stupid hippies?
No.
You don't get medicine down a cat's throat by talking to it nicely.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
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I call.
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Aces and Eights - I'm doomed.
asthma.I have been giving him medication for 14.5 years. I call him, and he comes to get them. He sits down in front of me and I tilt his head back and pop them into his mouth. I brush him after he takes them. A little sugar goes a long way, sometimes. I sweet-talked him from the beginning. Some times, sugar works.
I must add, this usually doesn't work. Cats are crazy and they are armed everywhere except on the end of their tails.
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"I find specious the reasons we ask for bloodshed and sacrifice from our young men and women in Afghanistan. If honest, our stated strategy in Afghanistan to prevent al-Qaeda resurgence or regrouping would require us to additionally invade and occupy Western Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, etc. Our presence in Afghanistan has only increased destabilization and insurgency in Pakistan where we fear a toppled or weakened Pakistani government may lose control of its nuclear weapons. However, again, to follow the logic of our stated goals, we should garrison Pakistan, not Afghanistan. More so, the September 11th attacks as well as the Madrid and London bombings were primarily planned and organized in Western Europe; a point that highlights the threat is not one tied to traditional geographic or political boundaries. Finally, if our concern is for a failed state crippled by corruption and poverty and under assault from criminals and drug lords, then if we bear our military and contributions to Afghanistan, we must reevaluate and increase our commitment to and involvement in Mexico."
When has the US foreign policy EVER been honest about anything?
When it has absolutely no other choice.
Like now i recon.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
it appears that we're learning the lesson that the soviets learned two decades ago. you can't fight an idea with bullets. Ah the wonderful gifts that George W Bush left us, two lost wars, and a floundering economy.
A lesson we should have learned 35 years ago in 'Nam.
The Powell Doctrine (ignored by Bush Cheney):
1 Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2 Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3 Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4 Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
5 Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6 Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7 Is the action supported by the American people?
8 Do we have genuine broad international support?
How do you spell PATRIOT?
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