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(h/t Dave)

Anyone surprised that the FoxNews "experts" would have their knickers in a twist over Obama's video to the Iranian people for Nowruz? I mean, nobody could have predicted that William "The Bloody" Kristol would label it "appeasement," could they?

The talking heads mulled this new approach in diplomacy as Kristol referred back to his hacky National Review op-ed, repeating the criticisms verbatim. Whatever, dude. Considering that your whole world revolves around demonizing Iran, it stands to reason that anything less than a full military assault will be appeasement to you, as you confirm later in the segment.

Brit Hume, is apparently so undone by talking to Iranians like people, that he sputters incomprehensibly that this isn't the kind of "diplomacy" that the Bush administration practiced:

HUME: You know, Condoleezza Rice said something to me last year that when she said it, I was surprised. She said almost no governments in the world practice diplomacy the way the United States does. Huh? I said. She said that is that we practice diplomacy always backed up by the possibility or even the threat of some force, forceful action, whether it be economic or whatever. See, most governments in the world think diplomacy…you don’t do that. You talk, when that doesn’t work, you talk some more and you keep talking and eventually, you hope through diplomacy of this kind to persuade regimes you’re having trouble with to behave differently. Well it appears that Barack Obama, by this statement, has joined the rest of the world…she said…Rice told me, she said, the United States does it that way, the Brits do, to some extent, and the Australians do.

Well, it appears that President Obama has joined the rest of the world in practicing the diplomacy of talk. The worst thing that could happen would be for the Iranian government to respond favorably and positively, want to engage, have a discussion. And then we would be on a track like that, which will lead nowhere in the end. It’s not as if there’s not enough evidence to figure out what kind of government this is and what its intentions are, that’s been abundantly clear for many, many years. And an endless round of talk, first there would be talks about talks, and then there’d be talks, and they’d be talking and that means well, the Iranian regime would continue to do what it’s been doing but everybody in the world would sit by nodding affirmatively that this is the right approach, that’ll go nowhere.

My, aren't we a little ray of sunshine? So Hume is advocating "diplomacy" as performed by a psychotic: Do what we want or ELSE! (Why do I keep thinking of the movie The Princess Bride: "You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.")

Chris Wallace actually points out that this form of "diplomacy" hasn't actually been all that successful:

WALLACE: Bill Kristol, President Bush didn’t recognize the Islamic Republic of Iran. He didn’t engage in diplomacy without preconditions. Where did that get us?

KRISTOL: It got us three rounds of sanctions, agreed to by the UN and by the Europeans. Why did the Europeans…

WALLACE: Has that had any effect on Iran?

KRISTOL: If not, then we have to consider the use of force. If you want more sanctions…the reason the Europeans went with sanctions was because we were threatening! It’s because we deposed Saddam Hussein, that’s when they got interested in sanctions suddenly, in 2003. And because they were worried that the Bush administration might actually do something. With Obama taking away the threat of force basically off the table, the willingness of the Europeans and the Russians to be serious about sanctions are going to diminish. Appeasement begets appeasement. Appeasement does not lay the groundwork for toughness among your allies, who are already weaker.

Oh, Billy, Billy, Billy. You pathetic little warmonger. When even your enablers tell you your techniques aren't working, your answer is to escalate. Brilliant logic.

And I'm sure it doesn't surprise you to hear that Kristol is employing a bit of revisionist history. Ahmadinejad was elected in 2005, following the speech where Bush included Iran in the "axis of evil". The Iranian people had been leaning towards more moderate leaders like Rafsanjani. But then when the President of the United States (who has already invaded and occupied two countries in the Middle East) starts posturing aggressively against your country, what do you think Iranian voters are going to do but elect someone who will stand up to such bullying? And the EU sanctions got stricter in 2007, not 2003 as Kristol suggests, because of the US insistence that Iran was pursuing a nuclear program, all intelligence to the contrary.

So essentially, ignoring the realities of what put us in this stalemate, Kristol thinks that upping the rhetoric and posturing even more aggressively is the answer, something that puzzles Juan Williams:

WILLIAMS: Why do you think he’s taking anything off the table? He simply offered an opportunity to have the discussion. The second point to make is in terms of these elections that are scheduled, I think you have to have some faith in the Iranian people that they are in fact hoping for some moderation and change and view this as an opportunity to isolate the hardliners.

Pearls before swine, Juan. They'll never get it.

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ysbaddaden's picture
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I much prefer Nowruts


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

When Kristol puts his family and himself on the front lines in a war with Iran then maybe, just maybe I might agree with him. Until then the coward needs to STFU.


is intended to be a factual statement

Perhaps you can explain exactly why the US would go to war with Iran. Iran has not threatened the US. The major reason that the US turns it's war-hawk eyes on any country is because that country, whether it be Iran, Iraq, Panama, Venezuela or any other country around the world, try to do things their own way and not follow the brand of capitalism exported by the US and the globalist corporations that control us all.

shag12@sbcglobal.net's picture

It's shameful that a clown like him is given public exposure, even on Faux News. He's never prorperly predicted anything, yet there he is, still in public. Bush's bullying tactics resolved nothing with Iran, Syria, nor N. Korea, our miliary is broken, yet Kristol wants to threaten them with military action. Oh yeah, where's his army?

calgarylady's picture

I thought Juan Williams did a pretty good job in defending Obama.

Who was the woman on the panel? She never said a word. Strange.

the bush administration was a toilet full of crap
and hume is just one of the turds that won't flush.

They all suck's picture

is to make everyone (here and elsewhere) think there is a new team in power.

He's good. That's why he has his job.

Let's just think about him in the context in which he exists.

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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... Because being the Big Bully has worked marvelously so far?

Want to see what a welcoming committee looks like?
Ottawa Welcomes Bush, 03/18/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZiWkIaR1U

America's been FUXED by FOXPRAVDA!

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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

ctalk's picture

There is nothing uglier than the entitlement thugs like Hume and Kristol feel is their right to spew on the highly partisan Fox "News". I don't think sociopaths like that can be reformed, there is no hope for them, unfortunately they exist and like Bush cause great damage in their mad rush for empire.


Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein

You make it sound like the American empire didn't exist before George and Dick came along. The empire has been around for many decades. It's been added to by both Democrat and Republican presidents. All it takes is for some country to try to do things their own way and bang there's the US ready to invade or impose sanctions on them.

ctalk's picture

Democrats have a dark side too, I'll never forgive Bill Clinton for keeping imperial patrol over the so called "no fly zone" in Iraq. What right do we have to be police of the world? Nothing is more outrageous and unjust.

I've always said the empire began about the time early Americans were spoiled rotten by expanding into the "Louisiana Purchase" lands and having their egos permanently stroked thanks to cheap and easy territorial expansion.


Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein

wvguy's picture

If you talk to someone and they won't do what you want and then you immediately threaten them, I don't think the correct word for this is diplomacy. It is more negotiating with someone to allow them to choose their punishment. "do you wanna give more lunch money kid or get socked in the eye?"

Don't they know that Iran became more powerful under Bush's presidency?

By not talking to Iran (like a little hurt school girl-Bush's admin) Iran just relieved that they didn't need US approval to do anything and went sought out help from Russia, which they have a good relationship with now, thanks to Bush. Now Fox Faux News how did that help the US by not seeking diplomatic relation with Iran? The dumbness of Fake News.

Why does any country need US approval do exist? If the US spent less time trying to impose it's will and it's brand of capitalism on the rest of the world and a little more time improving the life of the American people, the whole world would be a better place.

Ceecee's picture

We're seeing eye to eye. I don't think any country needs the US approval to exist. That is the point I was trying to make. The Bush administration refused to have diplomatic relations with Iran unless Iran did what the US wanted. Of course Iran got hip to the game and basically said "F*ck the US" and sought out help from other countries. Of course they went to a country that also doesn't have the best relations with America. So now we have two countries that basically hate us(well they are honest about it and not afraid to say it)....oh and also one of those countries has nukes and the other is on the verge of having some too.

So as I was saying before in my previous comment the Bush administration just basically f*cked America up.

bamboozled's picture

Iraq proved decisively that America cannot just use its brute force to "triumph over evil."

The U.S. may have been the deciding factor in WWII, but "we" certainly couldn't have done it without the Soviet Union, the UK, and a broad coalition from around the world.

Since then, the U.S. has an atrocious record of "winning" a conflict. Iraq has been another Vietnam, leaving a huge mess in its wake that's arguably worse than the mess it was trying to "clean up."

What threat do we have? If our massive over-funded military (which has bankrupt us, by the way) can't get the job done, what threat do we have? Nukes? That sounds like excellent diplomacy. "Do as we say, or we'll nuke you."

of US might...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

ysbaddaden's picture
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My International Relations teacher who was also my International Law teacher was in the diplomatic corp when Grenada happened but retired to teach. She said you can't really have a family in that line of work.

She told us that what triggered the Grenada war was not just taking some students hostage (medical if I remember aright), because Grenada was trying to get the US to take them back. She said ray gunn used the fact that an airstrip was being built there to suggest another Bay of Pigs. Actually, the airstrip was being built by an English vacation company that wanted to open Grenada to tourists.

Imagine their discomfiture.

Incidentally, that's what Wag the Dog was based on, a war of convenience while ray gunn's polls were down.

Thankfully now repuglicants have Viagra.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

bobbquackenbush's picture

America, we talk softly but carry a big stick.
Why is this news? That has been the foundation of American foreign policy since Tripoli.

Invading and threatening any country that doesn't toe the line that the US lays down is talking softly?

bobbquackenbush's picture

It was a line that got Teddy Roosevelt elected, "I talk softly but I carry a big stick."

Which could well mean, do what I say or I will beat you with a big metaphorical stick. And you can do it with a whisper; which we have done a lot and isn't that commonly put down in history text books.

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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And my, have we come a long way, baby...
... YES?

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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

"I talk softly but I carry a big stick."

With Bush it was "I speak unintelligibly and swing a big Dick" (Cheney)

fastfeat's picture

"With Obama taking away the threat of force basically off the table..."
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And Obama said this when??


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Will Neocon Coward William the Bloody go to the front lines to fight in an Iran war he pushes for others to fight in? Will he be willing to have a tax hike to pay for it?

The "brave" combat dodging budget busting neocons make me sick.

Roket's picture

“The worst thing that could happen would be for the Iranian government to respond favorably and positively, want to engage, have a discussion. And then we would be on a track like that, which will lead nowhere in the end.”

Hume doesn’t know the meaning of many words. For example, in the quote above he defines peace as nowhere.

Whenever I see Shit Fumes I can't help but picture bolts protruding from sides of is neck.

He looks perpetually constipated to me, and in agony. (If only he could pinch out one little stool... ) The bolts on the side of the neck also works for me too.


far left loon >.<

"If only he could pinch out one little stool."

He did, Kristol.

ysbaddaden's picture
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Actually those are electrodes.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
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If fumes had bolts on the side of his neck where would his nuts be?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

These people probably beat their children, and think it's good parenting.


far left loon >.<

Poor Kristol. Kicked to the curb like and old wet foodstamp by the New York Times after just 1 year. Seems Faux News is the only place a discredited neocon propagandists can find employment anymore.

Michelle's picture

means what Bloody Bill thinks it means. I may just have one of those 'liberal' dictionaries, but my Merriam-Webster says that appeasement is:

1) to bring about a state of calm
2) to cause to subside
3)PACIFY, CONCILIATE especiallyto buy off (an aggressor)by concessions usually at the sacrifice of priciples

Iran isn't the agressor here, so... what's the problem again?


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Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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... I would wager America has engaged in "appeasement" with the Bush Administration.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

ConcernedCanuck's picture
Is

something wrong with the threads? I got a "comments are closed" on John's AIG post?

ConcernedCanuck's picture

thread disappeared. Hmmm.....you folks don't use Microsnot products, do you?

[It's a really old bug in Firefox. If an admin does some particular move while working on the post, (IIRC it's paging back) the comments are closed. I opened them. Try it now. I'll keep an eye on the thread and see that it stays open-Sitemonitor]

bmw 528's picture

These two braying jackasses can't even spell diplomacy let alone understand it. Authoritarian bully Neocons have no patience or intelligence to master the subtleties of diplomacy so they just hurl their threats and issue ultimatums. Simple minded thinking for simple rubes like these two.


"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."

Robert F. Kennedy

In WW2, when Hitler invaded Russia, entire Russian divisions surrendered to the Nazi's in hopes of joining the Germans in defeating Stalin. Those troops thought the Nazi's were attacking Stalin and communism. They wanted to be a part of that. But they found out too late that Hitler was not attacking Stalin, he was attacking Russia, USSR. Hitler had the officers executed and the troops put in slave camps.

Once word got out that Hitler was going after the motherland, and not going after Stalin, the Russians fought like animals. They DID NOT fight like animals for Stalin.

This is common in history. And it speaks to the point of this article. The Kristols/ Humes/ Hannity's of this world expect American hegemony and their world view is clouded by this view. But hegemony can never last unless the hegemonic power insists on perpetual war. Again, the Kristols/ Humes/ Hannitys don't have a problem with that. Thank God the American people do.

When the other side does it, it's evil. When we do it, it's tough diplomacy.

Yeah, sure FAUX Propaganda, let's threaten up some more animosity from the world.

But Faux Noise does have expert liars, bigots, racists, morons and huge Dickheads.

Let's see now.... no military aggression means no hardcorew terrorists.... no hardcore terrorists means no terror attacks.... no terror attacks means no excuse to launch war against non-aggressor nations.... no war means no war profiteering... no war profiteering means no extreme profits for right wing corps.... no extreme profits for right wing corps means no mony for wingnut welfare of wingnut propogandists..... Yup I think I see why they're upset.

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