Through The Looking Glass On Fox News Channel
By Nicole Belle Saturday Oct 17, 2009 6:00am
I generally don't watch Fox News; it's bad for my blood pressure and health. Further, my husband got tired of me looking for something to throw at the TV. So I leave the Fox viewings to other members of the team. But I happened to be flipping channels and caught this exchange on The O'Reilly Factor and it had me reeling from the Wonderland topsy-turvy nature of it. Dave already discussed this clip a little.) In contemplating Rush Limbaugh being dropped from the group looking to purchase the St. Louis Rams. Juan Williams, for whom no conservative can do wrong, predictably defends Limbaugh, saying that all of Rush's statements do not constitute racism, but comedy. Seriously.
But then it took a turn into weirdness:
The Washington Times reports on the entire back-and-forth that continues this afternoon. While discussing “Barack The Magic Negro” song that Rush Limbaugh played, Williams and Ballentine, both African American, disagreed on whether that was “racial”.
Just before the end of the segment, Ballentine said, “You can go back to the porch, Juan. You can go back. It’s ok.”
He was almost gleeful while bragging about it on Twitter: “ok howd i do u hear me tell jaun back to the porch lmao” he wrote, among several other comments. Today, he wrote, “You gotta love how now Iam the racist LMAO gotta love the washington post and the GOP.”
The Times also has a clip of his web radio show, and he wasn’t remorseful in any way:
Now if you want to take what I said about Juan Williams as racial, you go right ahead. All I said was he could go back to the porch. I didn’t call him a house negro. I said he could go back to the porch. Now if you took it as such, that means you took it as such.
I think we've gotten to a weird, non-reality-based place when two African-American men on Fox News Channel look at and/or trade racial slurs and then argue they're not racial.
But then again, weirdness and non-reality is par for course for FNC. After all, the media channel that operates as a propaganda arm for the GOP, hires Glenn Beck and keeps him on no matter how embarrassingly stupid and wrong he is and yet fires a liberal commentator for "having a reputation of defending cop-killers and racists"m, apparently for defending Van Jones. Or for example, publishing the results of the internal poll they took of an imagined mano a mano between FNC and the White House.
From the internals of the new Fox poll:
The Obama administration is criticizing FOX News Channel for its coverage of the administration. If the disagreement between the Obama administration and FOX News Channel continues, who do you think will come out on top?
Administration 39%
Fox News 43%
Breaking: Fox finds more think Fox will defeat the White House! I wonder if this will persuade the White House communications team to drop its crusade.
I don't think Fox can even convince themselves they're a credible news organization anymore.
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in fact you even implicitly said as much in your denial that you 'didnt' call him a house negro. by saying that you didnt call him a house negro you used the phrase 'house negro'. so therefore, you said it in referring to him. and im not disagreeing.
the term that Ballentine was referring to was "porch monkey", a definitely derogative, definitely racist term whose origins are a hell of a lot older than Mr. Ballentine.
It's a damn shame.
I believe the reference was to the idiom "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch"
The first thing that came to my mind was that Ballentine was referring to that saying, or evoking the image of Williams as a attack dog, and basically telling him to calm down. I think anyone who immediately jumped to the conclusion that Ballentine meant "porch monkey" ummm...needs to check him/herself, because they may be projecting.
Under-paid, under-appreciated and picked on by those evil libruls and colored folks. . .
...his fans would be laughing, holding their sides and rolling on the floor. Instead, they're hollering and waving their guns and misspelled signs down on Main Street.
Intersting you say that. There is a Fox disciple here at work and it has the same effect on him, even as he is in agreement with them.
Fow "news" tells you only what they want you to know, and they tell you what to think about it too. They clearly prey on fear, arrogance, and ignorance.
Of course I think that largely applies to the whole culture of televison in general, Fox News is just the most pernicious example.
I like pernography.
I contributed to public radio for 15 years. That ended when williams was made host of TOTN. Both the local Nice Polite Republican stations in town launched their fund drives this week. The alt-music station had me convinced and I was going to call in during my favorite comedy show. Not now; I'm not giving a dime to support faux news pet liberals williams and the equally vomicable mara liason.
The term would be nauseous; the cause is nauseous and the result is being nauseated. Or perhaps you could use emetic.
That Juan Williams is on Fox defending Rush's rather obvious racism is hardly surprising. Fox is Fox, and I expect that from the right wing's wholly owned propaganda network.
But NPR is another matter. Public radio has become far less informative and in depth over the years, and during the Bush administration, there was a clear attempt to steer it to the right (remember the appointment of Kenneth Tomlinson and his push to move public broadcasting to be more "balanced"). But it is still amazing to me that they keep a toady like Juan Williams on their payroll. Why anyone would trust what he has to say when he's on NPR is beyond me.
I'm just surprised that foxs' internal poll was that close. You know that those fox crazies think that fox is gonna whup that liberal, socialist, marxist, naxi White House out of existence.
It is amazing that the wingers can turn poor, helpless rusho into a poor victim of the prez's Manchurian White House.
What about the other 18%? Whom did they vote for? Otherwise 4% difference is nothing. Wouldn't you think that a fox poll would have a much higher percentage for fox news than the White House?
may i suggest a javelin?
faux internal poll:
http://www.goromaniatours.com/images/vlad-imp...
new?
How about a brick?
Not advisable, her husband's name is Brick.
Then make it a cinder block.
Hmmm....
Hasn't anyone figured this out yet?
FOX ISN'T A NEWS OUTLET.
They proved that in 2003.
If anyone can show me any reason why I should believe that these people are involved in ANYTHING even LATERALLY RELATED TO NEWS..please do.
Their viewers live in a world where EVERYONE is told what to think, what to believe, and who to hate.
NEWS? FUCK NEWS!
We don't need no stinkin' news!!! (sorry about the paraphrase, but it seems to fit...)
Fox is even talking about Rush, who says he is an entertainer, proves that Fox is not a news channel. Why would a reeal news channel be so concerned about Rush?
It must be some kind of disease. It's JMHO just by looking that both of these African americans have some white lineage in them.
Unfortunately for them.
"Everyone knows that light skinned blacks are smarter than dark skinned blacks."
Julian Bond, on SNL
(Total snark)
we got no TV. No problem.
Thanks C&L for keeping me informed as to what the plutocratic media is spewing.
Here, too.
t.v. free since 2005, however, i will watch at a friend's house.
the teevee is when you haven't watched it for a long time?
When I see the teevee in a waiting room I am just amazed how vile that crap really is.
That's why I play pornography on it.
http://satiricalpolitical.com/2009/10/08/fox-...
Waaaah...
A new Fox news poll conducted by Fox news asked Fox news viewers if they thought Fox news was better than other news stations:
No: 12%
Yes: 15%
Don't know: 73%
A new Fox news poll conducted by Fox news asked Fox news
viewersemployees if they thought Fox news was better than other news stations:No: 12%
Yes: 15%
Don't know: 73%
FIFY
poor juan...
poor, poor juan
*sniff*
who commented that pro sports are the one place in this country where race is not generally an discussed issue-- you are judged by your ability to make TDs, hit home runs, etc. But having rush involved in the NFL has now brought the race issue to the table.
to stop. I suggest on Monday those of us who still have jobs should take the day off to reflect on what we have done. If we lose track of the important things in life our civilization will be doomed.
As Maher said last night (and many others here have as well), this is a good indication that you are. If you have to explain your "comedy", it's not humor.
I tire of the Rush is an entertainer excuse. I find generally that people use it when they are too chicken shit to just admit that they like what he has to say, or they need to reframe something inflammatory that he's said, so they frame it as him just spewing as an entertainer/comedian. Rush is not entertaining in my estimation, I guess that is unless you enjoy watching puppies being snuffed. He's just an angry, angry man who spews bile to an equally angry audience.
Sat, 10/17/2009 - 08:00 — fastfeat
If you have to explain your "comedy", it's not humor.
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I'm in deep doo-doo then.
Both are scripted, they feature exaggerated characters (Beck, O'Reilly, scary Obama, evil ACORN, pure all-American hero Hannitty) in a simplistic battle (especially in the case of Fox, pro wrestling is sometimes more ambivalent) of good guys vs bad guys and let's face it their target audience is not the most educated and well-informed citizenry.
a great height? please?!!
If Rush fell from his chair he'd pop like an over-ripe melon. . .
*fingers crossed*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0COWWQDqb14&fe...
don't you know, the fine people at the GOP, and fox always do the 'right' thing. they have never done anything wrong. it's always bizzaro world on fox and the GOP. up is down, and wrong is right........ and then u have daddy bush echoing the reichwing again...
glad to see they keep on marginalizing themselves more and more. they cant win major elections with less than 25% mostly from the white south, which is rapidly changing demographics. that's what scares the showrunners in the GOP, the most..... i hope they run Palin in 2012, will make for the best un-reality show ever.......
Well, Faux said it and two "negroes" approved it, and I've been struggling ever since the fifties what to do about it and now the two negroes say it's ok for a pasty-white Englishman to call a "colored person", or a "black person" or a "African American" a negroe(again). Which, I understand is either a latin rooted word or spanish word for "black".
My, a complete circle. Funny how things change and seem to always be the same. Are these negroes protestant or catholic or jew? That could be a big problem, ya know. No predudice here.
Cheers!
I don't know what the deal is but I heard this too. Wuan Williams made a complete fool of himself. It was unbelievable the way he shit all over himself to kiss up to the power of Fox. Simply unbelievable.
As stated yesterday it is absolutely FUNNY the way they focus on what may be bogus quotes attributed to Limbaugh and ignore the dozens of other factual quotes.
Did it shatter?
I wonder why the Bill O'Reilly didn't bring up Media Matters compilation of the Rush's statements? It's not like he doesn't know they're there.
isn't this America where private citizens (a.k.a.corporations) are free to keep vile scum out of their organizations? WTF are the repug/conservaqtive cretins moaning about. The NFL is just being American in its rejection of the filth limbaugh.
Juan Williams will always have a job in racist America.
Now that MAD TV is gone, there's still the battery of TV judge shows every afternoon. Judges Joe Brown, Marilyn, and Judy are fun freak shows, with a taste of pathos. Otherwise, FOX has nothing for me.
IMO, it looks like Juan Williams got an
over the top contract that put him
in another income bracket entirely.
The stipulations, one can only imagine.
As a high profile minority he is particularly valuable
to Fox, Ailes and the RNC IN THE AGE OF OBAMA.
His condescending tone, and the fact that the first two minutes are devoted to clips I have heard over and over again were enough for me. Rush's idea of slavery not being 'all bad', the attacks on the NAACP, and BillO's incredibly offensive dinner in Harlem are clips that I've already seen and heard on multiple occasions.
I stopped the clip when he brought up his Harlem dinner, because I remember when it came out, and it was clearly a very offensive segment in context. Yes he was trying to calm his grandmother (aka his audience) about having dinner in a room with black people that weren't waiters, but the things he said were coming from a seriously bigoted mind.
An amazed Billo on his evening at Sylvia's in Harlem -
"There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming M F'er, I want more iced tea!"
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