WTH?? Harry Reid Comes Out Against Cordoba House
Ugh. Why is it so difficult to find Democrats not eager to bow to the craven fear-mongering of Republican rivals? TPM:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has now spoken out on the Muslim community center in New York -- saying that while the organizers are free to construct the project, it should be moved somewhere else.
"The First Amendment protects freedom of religion. Senator Reid respects that but thinks that the mosque should be built some place else," said a statement from Reid spokesman Jim Manley. "If the Republicans are being sincere, they would help us pass this long overdue bill to help the first responders whose health and livelihoods have been devastated because of their bravery on 911, rather than continuing to block this much-needed legislation."
Fer cryin' out loud. Reid is running scared because of rival Sharron Angle's taunts that Reid is Obama's waterboy by the lizard brains who want to equate all Muslims with terrorism and 9/11.
"As the Majority Leader, Harry Reid is usually President Obama's mouthpiece in the U.S. Senate, and yet he remains silent on this issue. Reid has a responsibility to stand up and say no to the mosque at Ground Zero or once again side with President Obama---this time against the families of 9/11 victims. America is waiting."
And of course, he caves. Saying that they have a First Amendment right to build it isn't that revolutionary a stance to take. One would hope that the Majority Leader of the Senate has at least a cursory understanding of the Constitution (which is, by the way, more than we can say for Angle). But to say that they should move it is to play into the irrational hatred and bigotry of the lowest common denominator and something for which Reid should be wholly ashamed. Greg Sargent:
Despite Reid's reaffirmation of this right, his response is still weak and indefensible. And it leaves the President hanging after he took a big risk to do the right thing. Obama did not explicitly endorse the decision to build the center. But Obama did say that if the group does proceed with that decision, we must respect that decision, in accordance with American values.
Reid is not willing to say that. Rather, he's saying, in effect, that even if he supports the group's right to build the center, he's not willing to respect the decision to do so. That's unacceptable, and leaves Obama isolated at a very sensitive moment.
What's more, it's unclear why coming out against the plan in the manner Reid did is even good politics for Democrats at this point. Reid basically threw the whole Dem caucus under the bus: With the Senate leader at odds with the president, the media will press every Senate Dem to declare which side they're on.
Dumb, Harry. On every level. Even Republican advisers like Mark McKinnon think that pursuing this is a loser for Republicans. Why do you need to be a loser too?
Want to tell Harry that he needs to smarten up? Contact him here.
UPDATE: Haaretz is claiming that the Cordoba House has decided to move, something Cordoba House representatives are denying.
I just sent this to Lehrer Newshour:
I saw with disgust Gwen Ifill allow a republican congressman to hog the air time, rambling incessantly, refusing to stick to topic about Cordoba House, and essentially run out your clock. The mayor in opposition might get it seemed five or ten seconds to speak, before they would return to that garrulous congressman, who had the audacity to tell the mayor not to interrupt him.
I turned off the program, and am sorely tempted to never turn it on again. It was every bit as bad as when your program had that excretable Melanie Morgan on the air.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
real crap.
me-oww!
A sellout tool of the corporatist manipulators.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
spineless as they come.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Is there a way to recall him from the house leadership position?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Look at it this way, if Reid loses in Nevada and the Dems don't lose too many more senatorial races, the Dems will be forced to pick a new Majority Leader.
Could be a good thing!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
a new minority leader!
me-oww!
If he's re-elected, he will be majority leader, and having a Republicrat leading the Democrats in the Senate is a lot worse than one freshman Republican Senator.
Perhaps some politician are realizing that besides being ignorant, that the electorate is racist. They say "you get the government you deserve", the politicians have to maintain that deserved standard.
American society is angry about the way life is going, and politicians give the population exactly what they need. Scapegoats.
Sadly, you're 1000% correct. Fail on Reid for feeding into this non-issue.
What The Harry?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Truman: "Give 'em hell, Harry!"
Reid: "Go to hell, Harry!"
"Give 'em Head, Harry!"
Harry Reid: The Buck Stops Way Over There!
me-oww!
Reid: "Would my friend from Kentucky like me to get his Washington Times? Please?"
he's trying to get elected in a state full of right wing religious wingnuts.
Nice of you to join us, @HarryReid. http://bit.ly/btSR2W #nvsen #tcot
http://twitter.com/SharronAngle/status/213393...
Are they gonna pretend innocence when/if this cultural center is built and then attacked?
We're experiencing a nationwide sweep of violence against mosques, and they choose now to raise the issue?
Besides which, he has no say in the matter any more than I do, because Cordoba House will be in New York, I'm in Texas and he's from Nevada.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
In New York this is no more than a local zoning issue.
Red State racists and the media propaganda machine are using it for their own purposes.
They hate New York anyway because we are diverse.
The original neighborhood that was razed for the World Trade Center construction had a significant Arab population.
New York is, was and always will be a diverse and relatively tolerant city when it comes to race, religion and ethnicity.
Fuck Harry Reid and all the other lowlife pandering politicians of his ilk. Most of these people have no clue as to what New York City is all about.
"They hate New York anyway because we are diverse."
yes, they do.
it's just an obvious football for them to kick their racism around.
I couldn't agree with you more in one sense. Democrats shouldn't have touched this issue with a 10 foot pole - neither Reid nor Obama. Should have just let Republicans implode on their own. In the end, this mosque will end up being a security risk either way and will require someone to spend money on security measures that wouldn't have been necessary had it been built elsewhere. To say that it's Reid's responsibility if something happens is a little far fetched. It's practically asking for trouble. What about holding the imam responsible as well?
Center as being a "slap in the face" to the victims and the families of 9/11.
The REAL "SLAP IN THE FACE" is the fact that there was NO REAL INVESTIGATION into 9/11.
AND that the people who allowed it to happen are still walking around free.
When someone goes far right go further. Angle is a nutjob but Harry for some reason thinks he needs to out do her. All who enter the United States of America abandon all hope. I know I sound like a teabagger but, I want my country back.
Did you know in Sharia law when they stone a man to death they bury him up to his hips if he escapes before dying he's set free. A woman is buried up to her neck but the same rules apply. Sorry, just getting you ready for the inevitable.
is intended to be a factual statement
Sharia law or Palin law?
......de verdad falta guevos; bilingually speaking that is.
(Translatable on Google or Yahoo or wherever)
With all due respect, and I understand your outage, but what we have is essentially one corporatist party with two heads.
The Democratic Party historically functions to siphon genuine protest into the party where it is rendered harmless. Read Peter Camejo's 'The Avocado Declaration" for a spot-on explanation of this.
Then read Joe Bageant's latest, "Understanding America's Class System" on his blog where he details how the political and media elites adopt and defend the interests of the ruling elite. It's scathing and funny at the same time - he does have a way with words.
Obama, as usual, made a lofty speech about ideals, then immediately did the opposite on the mosque. Reid is essentially doing the same. Both are unconnected and uncaring about the world most of us live in. Really.
(I'm not sure if the commenting software here blocks comments with links, so just google "Avocado Declaration." Bageant is at joebageant dot com.)
just copy and paste the link .. that works ..
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/08/underst...
my sentiments exactly.
Welcome. Thanks. And, I don't Google anymore, I Bing: Net Neutrality issues.
far left loon >.<
thank you.
So do i.
keep passing it along. :)
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
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Smooth Harry.Wholly expected of course,but still...it does rankle.
This Ground Zero Mosque jazz represents the absolute low mark for conservative politics.I thought they'd sucked every last drop of political advantage out of 9/11 after 8 deeply despicable years but no!
Here we go again.These people have no bottom.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
No religious buildings or symbols, period. No mosques, churches, shrines, or prayer mats. Respecting the fact that religion is what brought on the hate and distruction of 9/11, I say we exclude all of it from the area as an example. There are plenty of other reasons to hate eachother, we can at least get rid of the argument about who has the best invisible friend.
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When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I'm sick of the religious fanatics polluting society.
That is a solution.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
The guy has been a coward and not worthy of being a leader since day one but since a nut job wants his job we have to put with him still.
I sure hope if the Dems keep a majority that they not re-elect him as Senate leader.
...he uses big words like 'particularly' and 'delicatessen.' -- Jack
It could be worth it for the Dems to lose the Senate seat in Nevada just to have that jelly fish removed as senate leader. It's because of his complete lack of leadership that the Democrats in the senate have performed so poorly.
It would be an improved Democratic party and Sharon Angle's nuttiness would discredit the GOP.
Short term loss, long term gain.
That Harry Reid is fucking worthless...of course for completely different reasons.
disappointing. I thought better of the man.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
I didn't.
far left loon >.<
I put his on the DMN blog site in response to a poster who insisted education was championed by Christians, and has admitted in the past he's Catholic.
The Founding Fathers were Freemasons and Deists, although some may have nominally belonged to mainstream sects. Some were even Unitarians which of course is non-trinitarian, and a couple were presumably atheists. The latter two were James Madison and James Monroe.
George Washington was president of his local chapter of the Freemasons, Franklin was a Freemason, and Jefferson (who helped develop the Establishment Clause), edited his own version of the Bible with the parts he considered superstitious cut out with a razor, leaving pretty much a pamphlet on ethics.
George Washington was known for never accepting the Eucharist, and when his minister chided him about that and setting a bad example, he no longer went to church on those Sundays they offered the Eucharist.
And the Catholic principle was generally to keep people illiterate, and the Bible unavailable in the vernacular. Only after several German translations (where they had no such rule), the Wycliffe Bible, and then the Tyndale Bible did the Catholics respond with the Douay-Rheims Bible. Jan Huss was burned at the stake with Wycliffe's Bible pages used as kindling. Later when the King James Bible came out it became a punishable offense to own a Tyndale Bible.
And even after Douay-Rheims the Catholics insisted on papal infallibility and the magisterium, not literacy.
In the Founding Father's day, there were no education requirements or public system yet. What existed was primarily private tutoring and Protestant run church schools who lacking a Magisterium, pushed Biblical literacy for the furtherance of their Sola Fide/Sola Scriptura doctrine.
By the time of the mid-19th century, with heavy immigration to the US, public schooling, as opposed to private schooling, developed with the intent of assimilated all these people from so many cultures. But this was well after the Founding Fathers.
And when Catholics and Jews got tired of being routinely insulted in the classes run still by local Protestant school boards, and wanted funding to start their own schools, that's when the Protestants discovered the Establishment Clause, and the Danbury letter to say no you can't have tax funding, you either take the education we provide, or provide your own funding to start your own schools.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
north of your border. Especially that last paragraph. The public system in Ontario was essentially the Protestant system until not so very long ago.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Prussian education system
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I've heard that before but could you proffer a citation so I can look into it?
The Prussian Baron Friedrich Wilhelm Ludolf Gerhard Augustin von Steuben certainly changed our army under George Washington into one more of the Prussian model, probably thereby making it more effective against the Hessians in the British Army.
But then Washington got the credit.
But our history books choose to ignore him and inflate the reputation of the Marquis de Lafayette.
Apparently both the French and the Spanish courts provided the navy whereby to humiliate the British navy, then the strongest, but the Spaniards contribution is largely forgotten, perhaps over the dispute over the Mississipi River (but then so did the French).
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I guess it comes down to the fact that politicians lie to get elected. SO the question is; Do we want a good man who pretends to be a racist scumbag, or a racist scumbag who pretends to be a good man?
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When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I would rather see Sharon Angle win.
Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.
works for me!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
The old "cutting off your nose to spite your face" trick eh?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
by himself just fine.
no need for spite.
Then I would agree. But you know they would get the wrong message and we would see them coming out for privatized everything.
Like cutting off your nose only to have your elbows take offense.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
is Mormon, and Mormons were persecuted for years here, you'd think he'd be more sensitive to fucking retards going off on mosques.
I have a view on this - if you deny this mosque by cowtowing to religious people, you need to also immediately revoke tax-exempt status from religions.
Religions are ruining this world, and even the one religion that I respected for its practice of non-violence (Buddhism) is turning to just that.
If we spent the money, time, and energy on science as we do religion, we'd have a colony on moon, a cure for cancer, and 800 year life spans.
Have dems as a whole done anything to make you think they're NOT craven spineless jellyfish?
If it wasn't for th heavy starch in his shirts Reid would not be able to sit upright.
How the fuck is it possible that someone who made his bones as a prosecutor of mob figures in fucking Nevada turns out to be such a pandering coward with a lack of backbone be it Joe Lieberman or this current right wing flap?
it might be relevant to research the actual history behind the first amendment. the early colonies had established religions who persecuted non-believers.
"For example, the Virginia Colony in 1610 had among its religious enactments, section 3, which declared: "That no man blaspheme God's holy name upon pain of death, or use unlawful oaths, taking the name of God in vain, curse, or ban [invoke evil], upon pain of severe punishment for the first offence so committed, and for the second, to have a bodkin [dagger] thrust through his tongue, and if he continue the blasphemy of God's holy name, for the third time so offending, he shall be brought to martial court, and there receive censure of death for his offence." Tracts Relating to the Colonies in North America (Washington, 1844), vol. 3, no. 2, p. 10."
http://www.sundaylaw.net/studies/truelife/lib...
there is a possibly apochryphal story about patrick henry witnessing a preacher being whipped for refusing allegiance to the Anglican church.
"As he approached the center of town, he was disgusted and shocked by the sight that met his stare. In the middle of the towne square, a man was lashed to a whipping post, his back was bloody and raw, being laid bare by the metal-tips of the whip that had persecuted him. Henry inquired of the crowd what the man did to deserve such a beating as this. The answer was that he was a Preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, one of a dozen, who refused to take out a license to preach from the Anglican (English) church. "
http://www.truthontheweb.org/liberty.htm
the colonists may have had other things on their minds than various faiths from around the world.
i have seen the pope absolutely hammered on these pages for the pedophile scandals, why is islam not similarly slammed when they execute gays, or force their daughters into marriage? the country of afghanistan was conquered by muslims in the 7th centuury, and even now our tax dollars are going to support a state religion in that country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest...
http://www.afghan-web.com/politics/current_co...
check out article thirty five.
in israel, they conscript men and women, and gays serve openly; there is however no gay marriage as all marriages are performed by rabbis, who will not perform the service.
"Same-sex marriage in Israel is supported by most of the population according to a 2009 poll. Currently it is not possible to conduct ceremonies because only government-recognized religious authorities — all of whom disallow same-sex marriage — may officiate marriages in Israel, with no provisions for civil or secular marriages. However, foreign marriages, including same-sex marriages, are recognized. Furthermore, like unmarried opposite-sex couples, same-sex couples in Israel can access nearly all of the rights of marriage in the form of unregistered cohabitation status (akin to common-law marriage)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriag...
personally, i could care less about any of these religions, i think everyone one of them should have their tax exempt status revoked, and should have to register as a corporation, and have to make their finances public. the early colonists were by and large a christian bunch if you are honest about it, and wanted the first amendment to protect themselves against religous tyranny, which they had plenty of examples of here and in europe. so let the christians, muslims, jews, and whoever build whatever they want, just make them pay their taxes.
Short answer. This is a blog originated in a western country where Catholicism, Christianity, etc. are the native superstitions. Islam is not that familiar to most of us. So we are criticizing our culture and it's framework. Personally, I'd be happy to see the Muslims and Christians fight it out, and leave me out of it.
Quakers were horribly persecuted in early Massachusetts.
Even the captains of ships who brought Quakers to Massachusetts were punished.
All the crap about coming to America for religious freedom is exactly that - crap. Every religious group that got thrown out of Europe for being wacko landed here and immediately began to persecute all the others.
How little things have changed!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I'm taking donations to build a Japanese cultural center two blocks outside the gate to the navel base at Pearl Harbor. Anyone who refuses to donate is either an anti-Japanese bigot or caving in to fear mongers.
I mean, really, what's a little thing like 3,000 deaths because of a bunch of guys who were told they were getting a few dozen willing virgins in the after life for serving Allah so well? Nothing to see here, fellow liberals. I was in New York on 911 and am from a town in Jersey that lost a lot of people and I think building a mosque that close to Ground Zero is fucking tasteless. I, of course, deserve no sympathy for feeling that way. And neither does anybody else. Isn't tragic that liberals have to live in a world full of people who aren't as enlightened and empathic as we are? The reason people don't trust our side has NOTHING to do with our own behavior. See, the real problem is that we're victims of right-wing smear campaign. Feel better?
What makes you think the Muslims, any Muslims, did it, 9-11 that is?
What actual proof do you have?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
numerous examples in the news daily.
You may have a point; but I think it's tasteless for the U.S. to occupy and kill people in other countries so that the corporate fat cats on Wall Street can steal their countries blind.
Then after the destruction of their country, we come in and "colonize," on behalf of corporate America. Now that's tasteless.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
How much money do you want for the Japanese cultural centre in Hawaii? Sounds like a great idea.
far left loon >.<
was a Japanses cultural centre.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
How many Ground Zeros have we created near mosques in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan in the name of bringing "democracy" to those little heathen Muslims?
Your attitude shows that the Republican framing is winning and you're not willing to look past your own bigotry to see it.
The Cordoba House is neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero. It is in fact 4000 feet from Ground Zero (see Media Matters). Did you know that we only require convicted child molesters to stay 1,000 feet from schools? There are no call to prayers at Cordoba House, which will include a prayer ROOM in addition to a gym, a swimming pool, an auditorium and conference center. It hardly fits the definition of a mosque.
Further, the Muslims founding Cordoba House (to build bridges and promote inter-faith understanding and tolerance, something you clearly need to embrace) are Sufi Muslims. They are not al Qaeda. Al Qaeda view Sufis as apostates. It's a little like you blaming all Baptists for Fred Phelps. You cannot blame the entire faith on the bad acts of a radicalized and fringe group.
Furthermore, and I don't know how much more blatant I need to be but "Muslim" does not mean "terrorist" and it does not mean 9/11. Muslims died that day too. Muslims reached out to help that day too. Did you know that the largest candlelight vigil for the victims of 9/11 outside the US occurred in Tehran (home of Sufi Muslims)? It's true. Just because you're not Muslim and you were in NY that day does not mean you own 9/11.
Using your logic, do you also find it offensive that there are churches near the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City or Olympic Park in Atlanta? Both were acts of domestic terrorism by fundamentalist Christians.
Many office buildings have a room set aside for Muslims to pray.
I don't care much for the accommodation, but precedent is precedent
And I suppose I have less of a beef if it's not a government building.
But I wouldn't be surprised if the World Trade Towers themselves had such rooms set aside.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It's still a mosque by any definition of a mosque and this group intends to use it as such.
"Al Qaeda view Sufis as apostates"
I don't think that being hated by the Wahhabi is evidence of anything. Muslims of all sects have been killing each other and others for centuries, as have religious groups of all stripes. The Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq aren't Wahhabi but they still blow each other up for political gain. IMO having a mystic imam come into the fray and tell everyone that Islam is about love and to love one another doesn't do anything to help.
"You cannot blame the entire faith on the bad acts of a radicalized and fringe group."
Yes, one can. Whether it's male privilege, white privilege, or religious privilege, one of the perks is that criticism gets dismissed when someone blames the group for the action of its members. It's always just a few bad apples and it's not the group's fault so they don't have to take responsibility for those bad apples. Would you let Republicans get away with saying that hateful racist Tea-baggers are just a few bad apples? Would you think it's fine if the military does nothing about rape because "only a few soldiers do it?" I don't think you would. While Christianity in America is privileged over Islam, it pales in comparison to how all religion is privileged over secular views. In fact, it's "okay" to use "atheistic" or "godless" as adjectives for any Muslim or Christian who commits a terrorist act, including the 9/11 bombers. If religion weren't so privileged, we would accurately say that fanatical terrorists are god-lovers or god-mongers while the moderates are "god-less" or "god-lite" and only atheists are atheistic or godless. Instead we apply godless and atheistic as a pejorative to shelter religion and group together those we're not comfortable with, irregardless of how much god they have in their lives. It's so easy for any religion to absolve itself of any responsibility for evil acts done in its name that most people don't even bat an eyelash at how outrageous it is.
"Furthermore, and I don't know how much more blatant I need to be but "Muslim" does not mean "terrorist" and it does not mean 9/11."
Look on page 39 of this survey to see what worldwide Muslim attitudes towards terrorism were shortly after 9/11: http://people-press.org/reports/questionnaire... It's very troubling.
"Using your logic, do you also find it offensive that there are churches near the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City or Olympic Park in Atlanta?"
Yes, it is very offensive. It's also offensive to see a Catholic church near a playground (from John Stewart). Walk into any one of these establishments and you will be met with complete and utter denial that these acts had anything to do with their faith.
It offers nothing to inter-faith dialog if all you say is that your religion is about peace love and happiness when a member of your religion committed an atrocity right next door. The first thing they have to do is admit responsibility and admit that their respective religion hasn't really brought about a whole lot of peace love and understanding. Maybe it's not that wonderful of a religion, after all. That would be a start.
"Muslims died that day too."
The Islamic terrorists were fully aware of this and proceeded to bomb the site. George Tiller was murdered in the name of his religion in his own church by a Christian terrorist. You'll find many examples of this behavior from religious fanatics. Kill them all and let god sort them out. If they weren't dead, I would love to ask the Muslims who were killed by other Muslims in the name of their faith if they still love their religion so much. The fact that they eagerly kill one another doesn't lead me to conclude that in general, their respective religions aren't a problem. Quite the opposite.
It's 4 blocks away. The proposed Islamic center is 2 blocks away and couldn't be seen from Ground Zero. What's your cut-off point then, 2.5 blocks? 3 blocks?
Believe me, I'm not one to defend religion or immigrants, but this is much ado about nothing. It's clearly a local issue, and if the people of New York didn't want this building in that location, they should've lobbied harder against it.
DON'T KNOW NYC AND DON'T KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
Either come here and see for yourself or shut the fuck up.
I say this should be a local issue, and then you attack me for not understanding local issues in NY.
lake in a dessert. He may beat crazy Angle, but he still is a cowardly wimp.
Democrats don't deserve to win with this kind of shit going on.
The old "between a rock and a hard place" trick eh?
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Like the Republicans do...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
on the right have the numbers to take their party over. The lefties
are still too weak to even make a dent in Democratic actions, much less turn a non issue into a controversy that dominates national discussion.
The fact we are even discussing this issue and that it is turning lefties against Democrats is a demonstration how the right is calling the tune at the dance.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
... found a home. They came to roost.
The democratic donkey is as dead as Julius Caesar.
Lyndon LaRouche once noted that a person doesn't need to wear a brown shirt in order to be a fascist.
Likewise a candidate need not register republican in order to be embraced by the leadership of the democratic party. Birds of a feather flock together.
The loyal partisans of Blue America acknowledge that rude truth, and plead for time to right the ship.
Long live the democratic ostrich.
"The six-year Justice Department investigation into disgraced former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) has ended..." without charges having been filed.
There's a perfect example of the democratic party New Deal, 2010 version.
We must look forward, not back.
Oh kumbayah, oh kumbayah........
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Harry Reid was a poor choice for majority leader in the first place.
who knew?
me-oww!
outside the beltway.
Would you take the high road and hand over your seat to someone who is certifiably crazy and will hurt the country or would you sell your soul to hold on to your seat and hopefully help the country?
What would you do? Moral ambivalence is what Democrats do. Otherwise we would be lock step "f... the citizens" so we get power like the Republicans. I am not denying that the Democrats have their problems but we have seen the alternative and it IS worse.
Ralph Nader (Mr. Integrity) was wrong, deadly wrong. The world would have been a much different and probably better place if Gore had become President.
For the sake of my own soul and peace I would take the high road. I always do. I wish they all would, in unison!!!!!!
The court of public opinion is fickle and dangerous. That's why nations, like yours, made a Constitution and laws guaranteeing minorities their rights. So any real American should take the high road, or just pack up and admit it is a Christian and intolerant theocracy run on bigotry.
far left loon >.<
Harry Reid is a bigot. He's selling out, hence, I find him despicable. Obama isn't any better.
far left loon >.<
Same for Obama.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
ricky, you can build a house, you have that right, but not in my neighbourhood, m'kay.
far left loon >.<
Our choices are clear: we have none.
Spineless, gutless corporate sell-out dems, or bats**t crazy, off the charts psychotic republicans.
I fear another Civil War may be in order.
This is clearly another non-issue = republican wedge issue. And morons like Reid, have no clue how easy it is to fight these demagogues. They make me sick
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
remember that people of his faith weren't always welcome in their community at large. In fact, they were driven out of New York too, ironically.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he lacks that little bit of sensitively that knowledge of Mormon history ought to give him. Sucks though!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Move to Utah. Dress their women funny. Subjugate them and give them no rights. And then baptize the dead.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
But
Our First Amendment rights trump having to follow those families
wishes to micromanage mosque building.
Harry Reid is an unsophisticated, very poor choice for leader, and playing this "issue" for cheap political points. He is a joke, it is no wonder Dems are so ineffective with people like this in powerful positions.
What a stupid topic, Park 51, filling the minds of all the junkies, pundits, and assorted media nuts with so much time on their hands. Hopefully the corporate media moves on soon, probably to some other bit of fluff though. Thanks for watching the crooks, liars, misfits, slimes, and jerks of the the crazy political world for us.
Really?
These people will say whatever it takes to get re-elected, and keep themselves in power. They answer only to their campaign donors. Period.
Obviously needs some Reslug votes that's all.
Does not restricting the access, of those Muslims who live in the area and would use that center, depreive them of Equal Protection, when non Muslims access to neighborhod religious centers for their faith is not restricted.
Moving the center from that neighborhood limits and restricts access for those who live in that neighborhood. It deprives them of Equal Protection, when the center is not built in their neighborhood, though other faiths can build in the neighborhood, under duress of political leaders.
It is doubly troubling that Reid would come out against the mosque entirely for political ends. Or are they really entirely political? Lest we forget, Reid is a Mormon. Guess who dislikes Mormons? No, not me. The evangelical right wing is who. Richard Land says he could never vote for Romney (he said never) because Romney was Mormon, and "Mormons aren't Christians." So, doubly troubling because Harry should remember that his own religion is of relatively late introduction into American life. Reid once told me he got most of his votes from the northern half of the state since the southern half is mostly Catholic. You'd think the guy would know something about religious discrimination, wouldn't you?
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
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