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After David Gregory reads a quote from John Boehner bashing the Democrats' plan to clean up George Bush's mess and get the economy going again, Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel forcefully defends the proposal and beats back the bogus criticism.

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MR. GREGORY: But an additional $700 billion?

MR. EMANUEL: President Obama's been very clear, you cannot have a strong economy that does not have a strong middle class. And the, the approach has been to provide the middle class with a tax cut, and also to start getting the economy moving again by making critical investments. That's why we want to create three and a half million jobs.

MR. GREGORY: Right.

MR. EMANUEL: The--it is no doubt you have to couple it, which has been very clear, which is why the President-elect Obama has called for an--a summit on fiscal responsibility to change the way we spend money, to do it in a more efficient way, to get rid of waste and fraud, but also to deal with the challenges that for too long have been kicked down the road.

Rahm Emanuel was Obama's first and perhaps wisest choice. Chief of Staff requires a certain skill set and Rahm fills the role perfectly. It's no wonder that GOPers went berserk when it was announced.

Full transcript below the fold.

MR. EMANUEL: And that's the change we want to bring to Washington as president.

MR. GREGORY: But an additional $700 billion?

MR. EMANUEL: President Obama's been very clear, you cannot have a strong economy that does not have a strong middle class. And the, the approach has been to provide the middle class with a tax cut, and also to start getting the economy moving again by making critical investments. That's why we want to create three and a half million jobs.

MR. GREGORY: Right.

MR. EMANUEL: The--it is no doubt you have to couple it, which has been very clear, which is why the President-elect Obama has called for an--a summit on fiscal responsibility to change the way we spend money, to do it in a more efficient way, to get rid of waste and fraud, but also to deal with the challenges that for too long have been kicked down the road.

MR. GREGORY: Let's talk about spending. This is what the minority leader in the House, John Boehner, said on Thursday: "The plan released ... by congressional Democrats ... appears to be grounded in the flawed notion that we can simply borrow and spend our way back to prosperity." You have said that the top priority is jobs, jobs, jobs when it comes to the stimulus plan. This is what Jerry Lewis had to say. He was the ranking member of the House Appropriations Committee, and this is what he found in this package, we'll put it on the screen: "Before we pass this Pelosi-Obey legislation," his release says, "the costliest in history, Congress has a duty to ask this basic question. ... Are these items `stimulus'? Fifty million dollars in funding for the National Endowment of the Arts, $15.6 billion" increase in "Pell Grants, $200 million to `encourage electric vehicle technologies' in state and local government motor pools, 1.9 billion in funding for high level physics research, 650 million to extend the coupon program to allow analog TV owners to continue to watch TV." One more. "Four hundred million to the Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration for `habitat restoration.'" What do these expenditures have to do with creating jobs?

MR. EMANUEL: Well, I'm--David, I'm surprised that you would say that about college education, in this sense: you wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be here if a college education was not provided to us. And the Pell Grants, one of the things that--the largest one you pointed to, helps people go to college. Now, is more--is it--important as it is to build our roads and bridges, our electric grid, our new health care IT so we can control costs, the ability to provide people the, the opportunity to go to college in a era where you earned what you learn is human capital investment.

MR. GREGORY: Right.

MR. EMANUEL: It's the most important thing.

MR. GREGORY: That's an investment, though. Is that a shovel-ready job?

MR. EMANUEL: No.

MR. GREGORY: Is it a shovel-ready project that creates jobs?

MR. EMANUEL: David, as you know, the president said very--two things: create three and a half million jobs and lay the foundation for long-term economic competitiveness so America, when it comes out of this recession, is a stronger economy to lead the world. For too long critical investments in this country, both physical and human, have been denied. And the things that were pointed there, I do believe investing in our basic science research is good economic competitiveness and does create jobs today and lays the foundation for competitiveness. Investing in people, in their college education in a era where you're competing against people in China, India, money well spent. And those are critical areas. We hope everybody will go through it, identify things, will--as the president said, "I welcome ideas, but what I will not challenge is the ability to produce three and a half million jobs." That's why this--what's adjacent to this...

MR. GREGORY: Rahm...

MR. EMANUEL: ...and the, and the numbers you put up is--the fact is that's economic plan and recovery plan does produce three and a half million jobs.

MR. GREGORY: OK. But what do you say to critics who say under the guise of stimulus and job creation is really the Democratic social agenda?

MR. EMANUEL: Well, it's very clear this is a, a balanced approach. It has critical investments in both energy independence, education and health care cost control, as well as making the essential investments to make sure the middle class also get a tax cut. And I think that is a good approach to getting this economy moving and laying the foundation for long-term competitive economic competitiveness. That's what this does. And what I find ironic, it just--it's interesting, there are those who are now saying that, you know, it borrows too much. Not something we would want to do, but everybody agrees that economists say, both on the left and right, you must do something like this to get the economy moving. This is the worst challenge we are inheriting as a country...

MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.

MR. EMANUEL: ...the single worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and that the way to deal with that is to do something that you wouldn't normally have to do, which is make big investments to get the economy moving.



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Frist!

are we still doing that or is that like sooo 2008?

Perhaps it's time for a new catch phrase....ummm, Uno???

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Eno?

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Emo?

Elmo?

U2's new album, produced by Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois, hits the shelves in March of this year!

So Eno it is!

evo

shandor

Let me see, I have a score card here somewhere:

In 2008 $30 Trillion lost out of the world equity markets - almost half

$10 Trillion lost out of ours

50 Million US families in credit card trouble

40% of Americans are technically bankrupt

3 million more mortgages projected to default by 2011

Top 25 Banks hold 13 trillion in Credit Default Swaps (set to blow up with those defaulted mortgages)

$2.4 trillion 2008 American mutual funds loss

$2 trillion 2008 US home values loss

11.7 million US Mortgages under water (the mortgage holder owes more than the property is worth)

$996.0 billion 2008 Worldwide Corporation write downs (stated losses)

$667.9 billion 2008 US Corporation write downs (stated losses)

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Ca $11 trillion (and rising fast) US National debt as a clock

As a chart

Ca $3 trillion US foreign debt soon to rise if they will lend us any more.

US National Debt as a percentage of GDP

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$8.5 trillion - amount pledged by the FED and Treasury to Financial Sector

$700 billion TARP bailout

$775 billion stimulus package proposal.

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What does it look like to you?

Do you think we can get this moribund cadaver of a US consumer up to borrow and spend some more?

And buy Chinese stuff while he is at it?!?!

Dunno.

Hello!

It's so simple to understand but it's like people just want to believe they can still pull a lever or push a button to make the big mean downturn go away.

When are people going to get the Wizard of Oz is just a goofy old guy behind a green curtain putting on a facade.

Good post Alice X

Yep, he sent him right back to school. Excellent. As for the Steelers, you best starting catching the football! Come on!!!

Democratic social agenda? You betcha! Elections have consequences. Live with it.

Of the questions. Labels are a great way to bring thinking to a halt. Try to argue that education isn't a good thing? Nah, just call it a 'social agenda.'

This kind of thing hurts my head.

David,your quoting 'boner?' an idiot who only reason to ever open his mouth is to blast Democrates?...your a fool,glad I didn't watch the show.

Why can't anyone answer the most basic question.

With what money? Where is it going to come from? It's the same question asked of Bush and the Iraq war. W i t h - w h a t - m o n e y ?

For 30 plus years we have borrowed our way into this mess

The politicians solution is to borrow more.

Ponder that

Neither of us understand where they come from. Might as well be magic.

The money doesn't exist, by the time the company's are to pay it back it still won't exist. They are just playing with numbers. Read about the green back(Silver certificate).
I don't get why we don't have jobs, company's are closing due to lack of non-existent funds.

To answer your question there wasn't ever any money.

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When did school become a verb?

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ysbaddaden,
Ever since our children is are lernin'.

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I'm not a particularly smart person.

I'm like Marge in this conversation with Lisa.

Lisa: Mom, can you and dad afford to send me to college?

Marge: Don't worry Lisa, we'll think of something, we always do. I could give piano lessons.

Lisa: But you don't play the piano mom.

Marge: All I have to do is stay one lesson ahead of my students.

Nevertheless, I'm worried about kids now days always being wired into electronics. Multi-tasking only seems to lead to multi-unfinished projects. I was flummoxed when I first heard an ADULT say, that they would never watch a black and white movie. And my coworkers are mystified that I have a dozen or so silent movies in my personal collection.

Of course they also don't seem to understand why I'm a fan of Einsterzende Neubauten (sp?) Strategies Against Architecture.

smart commonsense wise, and not textbook wise. But some "educated" are still dumber than a bag of hammers because they have no common sense, or are out of touch with the harsh realities of the real world. I think that's my main beef with a lot of politicians. Sure they are educated. Sure they seem highly intelligent. But a lot of them couldn't tell you the cost of any food item in their houses.

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Well if politicians not knowing the cost of any food in their houses is your main beef

You'll never go hungry.

It doesn't seem highly intelligent to me to embrace going insanely deeper into debt as any kind of fix or stimulus when debt is what caused the problem.

I would love to see Emanuel explain how this FED US monetary base chart is good.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/fredgraph?s[1][id]=AMBNS

200 years ago, at least.

I've got a Scott, Foresman and Company "Advanced Dictionary" (one of the Thorndike-Barnhart Series in a blue cover hard-back edition... published in 1973...) which I picked up out of the paper re-cycling bin at the highschool where I work here in Austin. Page 985... "school" is listed as a noun with eleven variations... and as a verb with three variations.

School has been a transitive verb since the 15th Century.

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MR. GREGORY:

That's an investment, though. Is that a shovel-ready job?

Like Gregory has dug a ditch for a living?

But seriously, short term fixes are partly why we're in this economic crisis. Just throw money at it...
... Because we all know long term goals are just pipe dreams?

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Emanuel is nothing more than a Neocon Zionist Enabler. Give the Banks as much as they need and then magic.... you are fucked and there is no turning back.

Wayne Madsen today; he states that Rahm is the Mossad's number two guy in the U.S. Apparently he gets to use Mossad files to blackmail U.S. politicians into doing what he/Mossad wants. True or not?

Yes, Rahm Emanuel is in lock step with the Neocon Zionist Cabal. He is very tight with the Clintons and now he guides Obama in the direction Israel takes. Lets get something straight, the last President that was able to tell the Zionists to fuck off was Eisenhower. Everyone there after tried but got tuned in pronto. It was also Eisenhower who warned us all in his departure speech to be very wary of the Military Industrial Complex and it`s growing power. Check it out.

I totally agree. He is there so AIPAC can continue influencing american foreign policy.It is a disgrace that americans don't realize the detriment AIPAC is to AMERICA. 95% of our politicians bend over for AIPAC, walk the AIPAC line and just do not want to angry the mean fat bear.Remember these guys? They took us to IRAQ succesfully: (libby,perle,wolfowitz,abrams,feith,podhoretz,kristol,addington,franklin,rosen, and on and on) People need to wake up and realize why we are beholden to Israel.One reason: AIPAC.

and give everyone 50 thousand or so. Who cares if it is worthless? Most of the stuff we buy is worthless anyway.

Oh, and one-payer health care? How about that?

And legalize pot.

Everybody happy?

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What if they legalize pot, but outlaw Twinkies?

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MR. GREGORY: OK. But what do you say to critics who say under the guise of stimulus and job creation is really the Democratic social agenda?

MR. EMANUEL: Well David I say this, and let me be perfectly clear here, I say fuck the shit heads who do not agree with what we are doing. These asswipes have had eight years under the retard George Bush and 12 years they controlled Congress and they fucked up this country to the point of almost no return. If they don't like what we are doing then they can damn well step aside and watch the professionals go to work because you see David, they are irrelevant at this time.

If only.

Neither party has a leg to stand on, I suspect by March it will pretty obvious how stupid these stimulus packages are.

But the democrats put in oversight provisions. They didn't work because the Bush Admin purposefully built in a loophole and used it shamelessly. So, since the GOP owns the lion's share of the blame for this, I'm willing to give the new guy the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

get ready for even more bank "stimulus" in the coming weeks. England is once again being asked for a bailout by it's banks to the tune of billions. Apparently, their last bail out didn't even last 3 months, and the banks STILL weren't offering any credit to anyone.

Sounds like a lot for a little country.

man that B of A crap is pissing me off so much. they put zero effort into their acquisition of Merril Lynch because the government promised them they would step in and fix whatever was wrong.

Also Rahm's number for $650,000,000 for additional converter box coupons is a scam. That would buy 13,000,000 more boxes for tv's that will probably live another 5 years average. That is not stimulus. That is classic American waste.

that have socialized services, those services are delivered in spite of political interference. Governments cannot handle anything economically. They were never intended to. It isn't a business, and the cronyism and lobbyists are the problem. Sure spending on infastructure is a great idea, but when done by government? It will be the biggest porkchop extravaganza ever witnessed. It will make the bank bailouts seem like chump change. But hey, at least Las Vegas just might get it's mob museum.

That big chunk of mony all at once means graft.

I actually think the biggest priority for Obama, even before prosecutions or the economy, is campaign finance reform and a serious look, temp ban on Political Action Committees.

Otherwise every anti torture, economy fixing, war considering piece of legislation will be tainted by influence groups and the wealthy.

Also consider banning corporate personhood.

I must admit I feel bad for the poor BofA customer service rep I talked to this weekend, I ended up raking BofA through the coals while dealing with personal banking.

The banks have lost all credibility to tell any of their customers how to handle their money. Piss on the banks

I could imagine being a teller and having to defend your indefensible employer.

Surprisingly, I actually think Gregory did a halfway decent job doing the interview, at least from this clip. Now if only he could do it without a smirk and would actually pose relevant contrasting questions to Republicans I would be happy.

can school the media all he wants, but he still seems very slimey to me.

That's why he is such a good Cheif of Staff. He's slimey and an asshole.

all political leaders. Where do they get their financial magic number from?

blogo and other completely inconsequential BS is that limbaugh and crew have spent a couple of months prechewing those talking points all over the country to tens of millions so he and his producers know a good part of his audience really doesn't think he's an absurd ass.

until progressives realize its the talk radio monopoly that enables these flat earthers it will continue.

ask the fundamental questions either, it's like both parties are utterly and completely clueless on the economic crisis. It's blatantly obvious borrowing more money and printing more dollars is opening another huge can of worms, it's not a solution or even good first step.

Rahm did great job beating off slim ball David Gregory's ignorant Republican talking points.
When wingnut Gregory said, aren't these progressive agenda's?" Rahm should have let him have it with, "well yes they are and they will WORK! The conservative agenda sure didn't work, in fact they have brought this once great nation to dismal ruin."

Those numbers are ridiculously low compared to the profligate spending of the Bush Admin.

that is the point, after Bush, there is no money left to spend.

David Gregory = massive tool

asked Mr. Emanuel how this massive borrow and spend is going to work, when it didn't work for the Republican regime. Tax cuts by Bush did? And more payroll tax cuts when millions are unemployed does what? And Bush overspent like crazy, and now the Dems think they are entitled to? Or how about, who came up with this dollar amount as necessary to bailout, and how will this create jobs when states and municipalities are virtually as bankrupt as the federal government is?

he was too busy giving it away to his corporate buddies and on an illegal and immoral war

if the money is used to reinvest in america, it will pay dividends

not now...but soon

That "smirk" on his face said it all. Keep using those catch phrases of the dead and decaying repug party...."social agenda", as though it's a "bad word". They would have us be a nation that IGNORES the weak and unfortunate. The breaks should be for the top 1% or the wealthy ONLY.

Did gregory hear ANYTHING Emmanuel was saying? I think not. He only wanted to shove in his right wing talking points. Ignorance is bliss for these jerk offs.

I have no idea why Rahm and all the others feel the need to be so polite and deferential to these Neocon shills. People like Gregory will keep bleating their horseshit propaganda as long as they never get called on it. It's really time to get more assertive.

David Gregory is too young and immature for such a privileged position in the Corporate Media. I tried to watch that old has been show this morning and couldn't take anything Gregory said seriously. His conservative bias is always there, it's a terrible thing that destroys that show for anyone but ignorant sheep. Sad.

Louis Jordan's forties record "Beware Brother, Beware" includes this narrative:

Jack, they're looking for husbands. They ain't foolin', and if you fool around with them, you're gonna get yourself a schoolin'.

That's more than sixty years ago, so if you were thinking of blaming young people for it...

I've noticed it showing up in conversation more lately, but I followed its rise first in television interviews with athletes, as it seems to have become the preferred way to describe a superior athlete teaching an inferior athlete a lesson about how it's done. It's a world where the details of competition and domination are the only points of real interest, and the expression "he got SCHOOLED" is just a catchy, evocative three syllable phrase that works well to capture the imagination by painting a picture of humiliation.

I would not be surprised if you didn't want to know all that, and just felt like complaining about how disappointed you are with the world around you.

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Schoolin' in a vernacular for schooling which is not a verb but a gerund. In the line "They ain't foolin', and if you fool around with them, you're going to get a schoolin', ain't would be the verb, except at the time it wasn't a proper word; and, in the second half of the sentence the apparent verb is fool. The repititive dropping of the letter g at the end of the words is indicative that grammer wasn't tantamount with them.

You yourself admit is comes up in conversation more "lately," particularly with athletes, many of whom are not known for grammatical speech.

As for the expression, "He got schooled," He would be the subject and the word that follows, "got" would be the verb, and "schooled," the adverb or perhaps the object.

between the media and both parties,

NO ONE ASKS THE ECONOMISTS OR THE ECONOMIC HISTORIANS.

Because sometimes, you f*cking nit wit Gregory, socialism has to come to the rescue of capitalism.

Proof that socialism does work: download Ubuntu and install it over your windows installation, and see what socialism can do.

Get a clue you dinosaur.

That's a dumb ass response, shovel ready jobs. If kids start going to school, don't you think that someone would have to sell them books, campus security, maintenance people, teachers, cooks, .... I could go on.. Rahm, a Shovel what kind of question is that.
What is he picturing in his little MSM mind?

I voted for Obama because he will return dignity, respectability, thoughtful leadership, and cogent communication back to the White House.

However his fiscal stimulus plan (which both parties have endorsed) will destroy the dollar. You don't fix a debt problem by going further into debt.

Look at what has happened to the dollar, this is the FED's own US monetary base chart.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/fredgraph?s[1][id]=AMBNS

Go back and read some of what Roosevelt faced and finally did that worked. He didn't take his path initially.

Then read up on Keynsianism............

when he was up on the stage dancing with Karl Rove? Shameless!

If you haven't seen the clip of him on The Colbert Report, you should go take a look.

Even though he appeared to be asking the "tough questions" when he was a member of the White(wash) House Press Corp, he was no Helen Thomas. But he will "hold his feet to the fire" with Obama. Too bad he/they never did that with Bush.

It is good that the press do its job which it cowrarded to the Bush years.

But come on David Gregory, Wjen you ask Rahm, " It is your democratic social agenda ". You could have chose domestic agenda. But you had to get that word "social" in there so the right wing crazies can hear "socialism".

Gregory should go live with Bush in Texas and report of Bush to prove himself. Or maybe Gregory could dance with Karl Rove some more.

I sure hope so. They just won an election that rejected the failed and selfish (dare i say criminal) Republican agenda. That would mean, at least to me, that we need a different agenda. You know, one that builds the nation instead of rapes it. One that concerns itself with the well being of its citizens, its taxpayers instead of taking our money and using it to confine us in prisons while hiding the truth from us. Yes, Mr. Gregory and Mr. and Mrs. Republican (both in Congress and out) there is another agenda that does not include your luxurious stateroom on the top deck of the Titanic to be scrubbed by those drowning in steerage.

What a pussy. Somehow I never get to see him persistently go after Republicans like he does with Democrats. Probably because Republicans fight back when Democrats don't. Moreover I don't mind him being critical with Democrats as long as he does the same with Republicans!

He is unworthy of hosting 'meet the press' which is supposed to be 'unbiased' and 'professional'.

Gregory was an obsequious tool while he was a member of the Washington press corps. He readily carried the Republican water. He is unsuited for his position at "Meet the Press". Gregory's ignorance is profound.

Oh Mr. President, call on me so I get air time and please HQ and we'll both look good!

Jeez, I can't stand this guy or Boner. Boohoo Boner wouldn't be happy if we all emptied our wallets and sent everything to him and his rich friends. Oh wait, we already did that!

he he, Boehner accusing the Dems of borrow and spend.........you should be on SNL.

Who did the ignorant, ranting, Gregory suck off to get his job?? He is the worst to listen to.

that 72 of you could have posted without noting anything about outrages committed in Gaza or outrages against gays by HBO. Teh school is still out on you.

I think Rahm Emanuel is just another Joe Lieberman without the obsequious, whiny voice. He may be what Obama needs to keep other Democrats in line, but I don't trust him any more than I trust Lieberman. Both are seditious opportunists whose first allegiances lie outside the U.S.

I'd rather see a conservative Republican in Obama's inner circle than a blood thirsty Likud Party lunatic like Emanuel.

His Karl Rove-like abrasiveness will make him an early target of the right wing and I suspect there are sufficient skeletons in the Emanuel closet to bring him down.

I'll be the first to say "good riddance."

you will be brought down when you trip over your Tubesox.

$650 million in coupons for analog tv converters? We're possibly in great depression 2 and this is part of the new spending plan?

if you apply today for a $40 coupon... you get put ON A WAITING LIST. The Bush Administration fucked this one up too. they MANEDATED the deadline next month for switching to digital broadcasts... then did not budget for enough money to help people purchase the technology they will need to watch the new signals with their analog TV sets. The money is GONE before the change even gets started! THANK GOD those guys are gone as of tomorrow.

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