Bloggers Meet With Bill Clinton, Yet World Keeps Spinning!
By Susie Madrak Friday Jun 19, 2009 10:00amOkay, so it wasn't exactly earth shattering, but it sure was informative. Bill Clinton invited a group of bloggers (including yours truly, in the blue jacket) to meet with him this past Monday at the Clinton Foundation offices in Harlem.
Many of the bloggers who were there already wrote about it in great detail here, here, here, here, here, here, and here, but now you'll get my version.
First of all, he was late. (Since Bill Clinton is always late, this was not exactly a surprise.) So we all sat there in his conference room, plotting to turn the whole thing into an impassioned plea for health care reform. Well, that didn't work out because we didn't have enough time - because he was running late. (Did I mention Bill Clinton is always late?)
When he walked into the room, he went around the table and shook everyone's hand. When he sat down, he mentioned the main reason we were there: to talk about the Clinton Foundation.
He said their large corporate donations had fallen off after the market crash, and he was hoping to reach out to small donors through blogs. He talked about what a difference they'd made with worldwide AIDS: "Almost no one will die from lack of medicine for AIDS." But, as he pointed out, there's simply no formalized health care system in much of the world, and some AIDS victims are still dying because of that. That's one of the things the Foundation is doing: building networks of clinics in remote villages.
They also work on climate change and honest to God, he sounded more passionate than Al Gore (which I didn't expect). He was really enthusiastic about the just-announced energy retrofit of the Empire State building and the projected 40% energy reduction from putting in new windows.
"I know solar and wind energy sounds sexy," he began, but quickly made his case for concentrating on retrofits not just to save energy, but as global economic stimulus.
"For one billion dollars, you can get 870 jobs at a coal plant. For one billion dollars spent on solar, you get 1850-2000 jobs. For one billion on wind energy, 3300 jobs. But for a billion spent on retrofitting, 6000 jobs," he said.
"The low-hanging fruit is in fixing the buildings."
You probably already know how smart the guy is, but even knowing that going in, it was hard to keep up. He went from talking about decoupling electric rates from usage, how to change bank financing on energy projects, how loans to the right projects could improve other parts of the world, and last but not least, how "it may already be too late to avoid the most dangerous consequences of climate change."
He cited the recent MIT study that says climate change is much worse than we thought. "We'll be moving 80 million people away from coastal regions in your lifetime," he said, and promised he'd "try to hammer this home" in meetings at Copenhagen later this year.
Other topics: Haiti (he's just been named special envoy, and the politics of carbon credits. (Responding to a question from Lidsay Beyerstein, he also spoke highly of Paul Farmer's work.)
Once we got started talking about health care reform, the politician in him came out to play. He said Congress was still worried about what happened during his administration. "Once a cat sits on a hot stove, it'll never sit on a cold one, either," he said, chuckling. (I noticed that, asked directly about how Obama was handling health care, Clinton listed a lot of other things on which he thought Obama was doing a good job... and never answered the question. I thought that was telling.)
He said the political and psychological landscape for health care was a lot better this time. "They don't have the budget restraints I did," he said. He noted the fury of the GOP opposition during that time: "Bill Kristol knew that Bob Dole said he was going to support my plan, and told him, 'The Democrats will be a majority for a generation if you don't beat it off.' So Dole pulled back."
Clinton said a few things about single-payer I didn't know. One is that France, which has the best health care results, isn't strictly single-payer, but a mixed system. "They have better primary care," he said. He also said the challenge was to look at outcome-based care like that in France and Germany.
Nyceve from Daily Kos said, "If they can't pass a public plan without a filibuster, why not with 51 votes?"
He said no, Obama needs 60 votes "if possible" if he wants the Republicans to work with him on everything else, "but he shouldn't give away the store."
Although his aides wanted him to leave, he answered two more questions: One on reproductive rights around the world ("In all cultures, all religions, birth rates go down in countries where there is universal education for girls and access for them to an open labor market") and No Child Left Behind ("The bottom 10%, it helped them but took attention away from other things.")
Then he posed for a picture and his aides hustled him out of there, off to the next appointment - and I'm sure he was already late. But that's Bill Clinton. He loves to talk, and people want to listen.








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had he been meeting with George H. W. Bush, or Rupert Murdoch, or a "hotty" he would have been on time.
"suburban" types who's future is now being mortgaged off by Obama to bail out Wall Street.
I didnt know teh Bloggers could pony up $150K ... ?
I mean all of us have $150K to blow on a cause. And not even break a sweat.
But we can pony up $10 apiece. Money does add up, you know.
of the bloggers...left to right?
But the ones I do are, from the left, in front row: Armando (Big Tent Democrat), me, Lindsay Beyerstein, Natasha Chart (Open Left), nyceve (wearing orange, Daily Kos), Professor Kim (wheelchair), Deanna Zandt, three people whose names I don't recall, Laurie Edwards (A Chronic Dose of Reality) peeking out, and the last person on the right is Amanda Terkel (Think Progress).
Back row: Scott Lemieux (Lawyers Guns & Money), two more people whose names I forget, Chris Bowers (Open Left)and Bill Clinton.
Most appreciated.
How about not..and say we did.
who the people are that are on our side?
basically because there are insane people that want to kill them.
they love us when they want money.
Amen
he's right about the low hanging fruit.
Interesting simile.
Every public building built a decade or more ago can be made much more efficient. No bulldozing and starting over needed. Homes, too. Low-income housing is notorious for people having to pay high heating and cooling bills (we have NO heat or AC here and it sucks), and rentals aren't covered by any government programs. There's some fruit waiting to be picked!
most of everything built since 1900 is totally inefficient.
Our culture has gotten so deep into the throwaway mentality that the idea of actually FIXING things almost never occurs to anybody. It's much more common for people to think you have to buy a new one, build a new one, start over again, than to look at something and say, "You know, if we replaced this part here and applied some elbow grease there, it'd be good as new!"
It's good to know there's somebody going around reminding people that we can just FIX things. Much cheaper and more reliable that way.
He's not just right about the low hanging fruit, he's actually saying something that any scientist, engineer, or just plain logical person involved in the green energy industry will tell you. Many people--particularly the "greenest of the green"--don't really like talking about it, but efficiency retrofits are by FAR the best tons of CO2 per dollar bang for your buck of anything. Not sexy, but vitally important.
In fact, if the US were to launch on a path to purely green energy infrastructure, step ONE would be retrofitting everything to raise efficiency. After all, it's stupid to spend $4/watt on solar panels if your building is using twice as much energy as it could be and retrofitting it would save energy for an order of magnitude less.
This doesn't mean we shouldn't be building out wind, solar, and other alternative technologies, just that we also need to increase efficiency and we need to do it yesterday.
They have been hit hard by the recession. About 5 months ago she convinced her boss to expand the remodel effort. Owners are really kicking that in high gear. Her company does commercial only, and they are picking up steam every week.
The advances in glass and inert gas and heat blocking film has never been as good as it is now. The buildings are saving 30% on electricity for A/C which is huge for the desert.
i don't see in the list above that he mentioned his work in furthering the neoliberal assault on the world...
clinton is a classic stuffed shirt and his legacy will look worse and worse as time goes on. his heyday ended years ago.
What, pray tell, is a neoliberal? And how, pray tell, is he "furthering neoliberal assault on the world"?
It's customary to capitalize the first letter of a sentence by the way.
look it up, read, learn...
jesus...
That wasn't very specific. Look it up where? Can you provide some reading material for me so I can understand what you are talking about?
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/econ1...
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ghwr_kmPgUsC...
http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine-Rise-Dis...
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only if you got a cob up your ass
Nice.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rl...
I think it's awesome that he and his foundation are fixing AIDS worldwide, but turning to small American donors via the net because corporate donations have fallen? As if small donors have any money? How about he hit up some of those health insurers who are about to take home the big prize?
Small donors. SMALL. $5. $10. $20. That's what the internet is good for, and that's what it delivers. If Mr. Bill gets the bloggers to post about his foundation and request, he'd get lots of SMALL donations. Which can add up to a huge amount.
can't donate anymore.
My health insurance is just about to go up again.
The goopers are NEVER going to work with Obama. The dems are selling us out on healthcare AND we're going to be forced to buy some schumck at a for-profit health
caredenier company a new fucking jet with a mandate to buy from said schmuck's company.Quite a few women with their backs to that hall of fame booty grabber.
Now that's what I call faith.
HOPE!
The lady to Clinton's left is wearing a tie...to protect herself by confusing him I guess.
Drank the Kool-Aid on that one, didn't you?
So...a classic hug and mug.
It's sooo cool to be in the know.
Anyone ask him why he isn't out there shilling for single payer?
His wife works for the president, and he can't just spout off the way he's used to doing.
He did say he'd do "whatever I'm asked to do."
Sorry Susan...talk is cheap.
His wife works for the President...ooooh...that puts limits on him.
Let's see...Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Douglas Feith...and on and on and on...held onto interests in outside defense and pharmaceutical companies WHILE they were IN office and setting policy which directly impacted on the growth of those same companies.
Talk is CHEAP.
I don't get your point. You expect him to speak out against the administration?
YES.
I expect him to behave as a citizen and a former public servant who spends an awful lot of time TALKING about the public good.
Yeah...his federations do alot...but ya know what...I'm all for saving poor people around the world...but...hey...how about doing something for the folks that pay the freight.
Big contributors get greased all the time with back door deals brokered by "influence".
What about us poor bastards who give the $10s and $20s.
It fucking does put limits on him. What, you're going to use CHENEY as an example of political behavior?
Talk is only cheap if your talk isn't worth anything. When you're in a position of power, talk is actually pretty expensive.
Suuuure it does.
Hmmm...when former President GHW Bush visits Saudi Arabia...is he representing the US government...or is he actually acting as a private citizen or investor in The Carlyle Group.
Gosh...you guys are even more naive than I thought.
The same goes for Bill Clinton now. If he sits down with his Chinese investors...is he REALLY acting as a private citizen seeking charitable donations.
Good gawwd. I can't believe you guys sometimes.
"Our situation is critical. This has been the worst response ever to our appeal for financial help with operating expenses, etc."
Just a minor recession, a little hiccup in the system.
"Our situation is critical. This has been the worst response ever to our appeal for financial help with operating expenses, etc."
Geez...maybe he should call on the insurance companies for donations.
My understanding is that they're about to come into a windfall.
can't he get Don Rumsfeld to help. I mean...he's got all those millions laying around from his investment in Gilead (while he was Secretary of Defense)...you know...the ONLY maker of Tamiflu.
Yeah, I guess, if you pay each of them an salary of $1,1149,425.29! I will be a coal worker for that kinda doe.
Including the plant.
67,000 miles per hour if it wasn't spinning on it's own axis we'd be flung of into space like dust being shaken out of rug.
No we wouldn't. Basic physics says no.
I'd have a lot of "why did you do this?" type questions I would want an answer for.
Especially why the hell didn't you step in for Gore when the Right Wing Nov 2000 Coup was underway?
about jobs and retrofitting older buildings the energy savings are purely illusionary particularly this building.
How is using less energy "illusionary"? If less energy is used, then...less energy is used.
(Please explain that word, too. Are you saying it's "illusory", meaning not really real? Or are you saying it's magical, like something David Copperfield would do? Because "illusionary" doesn't really convey anything, there.)
The big problem in major structures isn't heating it's cooling. Most large structures require very little in the way of heating systems since all the people, machines and lighting generate more heat then is required. Now you can change the window properties to increase reflectivity (which has been standard on curtain wall structures for a generation or more) which would be of dubious value on the Empire State which has a low ratio of glazing to masonry and I doubt it would be cost effective. Increasing the insulating quality of the windows only increases the heat load that must be removed by air conditioning. There are thousands of engineers and building owners who make such decisions every day on whether it makes economic sense to move forward on a particular upgrade. These projects must stand on their economic and engineering merits. It doesn't make sense to spend 100 million dollars to save two million in energy costs. Adding economic incentives to encourage a project that doesn't stand on it's own merits is wasteful. It doesn't matter how many short term jobs it creates. The money would be better spent on more worthy projects.
And FYI: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/illusionary
"Bill Kristol knew that Bob Dole said he was going to support my plan, and told him,......"
Ahhh, good old Billy....always a warm caring figure
There would be no need for retro fitting if HEMP was legal, ass.!
you don't work construction do you?
Every building out there with any age on it could use retrofitting. Double-paned windows, better insulation (with hemp fibers, perhaps), more efficient heat/cool units. Lots of work for middle-class people.
The former middle class and below might be interested.
all the reconstruction programs should be privatized.
Reduce taxes and then mandate that everyone has to invest equally in construction companies. If they don't, they have to pay a penalty.
Everyone wins!!!
Rut roh....can't afford to pay the fine...oh welllll..."Are there no prisons...are there no workhouses."
No i don't, but I do realize what retro fitting is, one time, meaning it won't be permanent. Upgrading insulation and windows fine, but removing all the old furnaces and generators, to go with straight electricity would ensure nuclear power to be standard. I have framed rooms, installed insulation, dry walled, run electricity, I've done all kinds of crazy stuff, I put an engine in a back hoe. Everything that is going on I absolutely do not agree with, blindly supporting Clinton and Obama was an obvious mistake, and there we give him money, is that what the donation were for, Aids and Global climate change?????? Disgusting!
I am just not a reader, I have many skills, just a broke back now.
I can weld, many skills unused at this point. i know what cast iron does when heated, I know what steel does when heated, Aluminum, galvanized. I really do know how stuff works from hands on experience, not reading a bunch of crap and believing it, I actually get down in the dirt too.
And instead of bulldozing a neighborhood and dumping the debris into a landfill developers should be required to recycle all this material at their own cost which they could then resell to recoup.
Things like that.
totally good idea!
with this sort of idea comes with the "at their own cost" part. Recycling building materials is hideously expensive. Every nail and fastener must be removed from lumber and every bit of mortar removed from brick and stone. Manually. All these costs are passed on to the consumer. Like almost all taxes businesses don't pay the tax they collect it on behalf of the government.
They already do recycle, copper/brass/steel brings big money at the scrap yard. Hey! I used to do that too. I can't keep my hands or mind off anything.
After every trick, you guys are amazing. Do you remember Ollie North? Which state where the CIA planes landing in, who was Governor? Natfa, WTO. ***screams*** I am into efficiency and all, but you do need energy, don't cha. What are the construction worker going to use for energy, they going to carry around solar panels with them, wonder how many panel you need to power the cranes to get the panels on the roofs? Whats gonna power the trucks to deliver the panels to the construction sites, whats going to power the vans, trucks and cars that the worker use to go to work?
Whats going to power the ships that deliver the parts from china to us? How are we going to buy parts if we already owe them so much. After we figure all that out, now we have super efficient buildings with junk china parts on them.
Truly going green mean growing green. Think about it.
I see Amanda Terkel! Be still, my heart!
is that it is structurally difficult to steal tons of money.
Which is the only reason any corporation engages in Govt. Contracting.
With big projects, the possibilities for big heists are plentiful. Big money just "goes missing" on big jobs. Retailers always figure they'll lose 10-15% to pilferage by employees. Why expect contractors to do any better?
The only way it would be worth doing small retro-fit jobs, even if you could pilfer 10-15% would be to do a LOT of 'em. And the only people with the manpower to do that is the Mafia.
Another problem with the retro-fit idea is that nobody's gonna give "a billion" to small potatoes projects like that. Retro-fit gets "millions" maube, but no way billions. Same problem. The scale makes wholesale theft impractical unless you have a monopoly.
We also need to get off the "30 day" time to pay the bills grind and go on a 60 day plan.
It would mean you pay bills six months instead of 12 months out of a year.
It would give people some freaking breathing room for a change.
A brief review of Mafia scams would show you that one of their most profitable successes was rigged window replacement scandals for public housing in NYC. It's a giant cash spinner. A certain R. Guillani made his rep prosecuting those cases.
"He said their large corporate donations had fallen off after the market crash, and he was hoping to reach out to small donors through blogs." Gee, Bill, who supported that 1999 bill that did away with much of the banking industry regulation?
Sorry Bill, we can't donate anymore. We're too busy spending all our money trying to bail out those large corporates who have fallen off since the market crash.
But...hey...good seein' ya buddy. Keep in touch.
are his "Aw, shucks", sappy smile and glib/phony global compassion. His prostitution to the corporatocracy started with the defeat of his overly complex and misguided health reform bill of his first term. His Faustian bargain with the fascist elites came home to roost with the Starr auto-de-fe over a sexual indiscretion. If you dance with the devil, . . . .
Where's Jessica Valenti? She was so vilified the last time bloggers met with the Big Dog for her being attractive and having the temerity to be in a picture with Clinton while having breasts. A travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of two shams...
You beat me.
The one on the right is clearly trying to stand provocatively with one breast (half-provocatively?) - let's attack her, right Ms. Althouse?
Clinton recently spoke to some group along with Bush. I've already lost most of the respect I had for him but that was the last straw for me. There is no way anyone, especially an ex democratic president, should be lending credibility to this guy or the any of the leaders from his administration. They are war criminals and tried to dismantle everything good this country stands for. They should be in jail but at a minimum to treat Bush as if he is just another ex president just so you can get a big speaking fee is pathetic.
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