This week, Stan Collender, AKA The Budget Guy, recalls his experience going up to Capitol Hill to give the Senate Budget committee a piece of his mind.

Then we'll speak with Rick Perlstein, who's devoted a career to studying the American conservative movement and thinks we need to rethink some of our assumptions in the era of Donald Trump conservatism.

Finally, we'll be joined by Michigan State University political scientist Corwin Smidt, who has studied independent voters and says that they're a lot less independent than most people believe.

Playlist:
Max Sedgley: "Slowly"
P Diddy and Faith Hill: "I'll Be Missing You"
Regina Spektor: "Summer in the City:
Talking Heads: "The Cowboy Mambo"

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