October 4, 2013

Bill O'Reilly has been on an Obamacare jihad the last few days and he's been promising the "facts" as to why the ACA is a complete failure. Well, he had on both of Fox's press reporters, Carl Cameron and James Rosen, to discuss the shutdown and Obamacare. When Billie tried to make his erroneous claim that Obamacare is a complete disaster, James Rosen refused to play along. Carl Cameron joined the fray as well when he seemed to be criticizing the GOP for shutting down the government over their attempts to defund it, and didn't let Bill interrupt him before he finished speaking.

Cameron: Their policies, their proposals, even if they are legitimate from their own perspectives doesn't necessarily mean that shutting down the government is the solution to reach them

Bill: But Cameron look, look, look, look...

Cameron: that's where the debate is because there are constitutional ways to readdress Obamacare. You can pass a law, override a veto, win an election, take over -- those are the prescribed ways for undoing things like this.

Bill: But the problem is now is you have a law that has been passed, legitimately passed, upheld by the Supreme Court that's falling apart.

Cameron: Sure.

Bill: It's falling apart...

Rosen: That's not clear, Bill.

Bill: Oh, it's clear to me. Rosen. And if you just hang around for the next segment I'll prove it to you. This law is falling apart so it seems to me it's incumbent upon our leadership in both parties to admit that it's not working out well, and then let's try to find a solution within the framework of making it better. But let Rosen -- Rosen's challenging me, ok, I want the government making it better and in the meantime if we have to give in here and there what's wrong with that, Rosen?

Rosen: What I'm about to say to you, Bill, does not require me, either to endorse or condemn Obamacare, I'm going to traffic in facts with you for a moment here. Obamacare is an ambitious program, it involves the restructuring of one sixth of our economy which is is what health care amounts to and if you go back in time and you look at any great lower case g, great venture on the part of the US government, whether it was the defeat of fascism or the space race and the landing of the man on the moon and safely returning him to earth. The attempt to prevent South Vietnam from falling into Communist hands, any of those large-scale ventures which go on for years, if you looked at the first three years of them, and we've had three years since the passage of Obamacare, from the president's POV, it really started rolling out yesterday, all of those ventures -- if you look back the first three years, you'd see that all of those ventures involved glitches, stops and starts, major problems, minor problems. To say that it's not working when the exchanges went online yesterday, I think, is premature.

Remember Rosen was the journo who was brought up on charges over classified leaks so he's no friend of Obama. usually BillO will get mouth frothy as he screams at people who dare to disagree with him, but Rosen made a strong case (even if he gave some weird examples) as to way Bill is not making any sense and alluded to the fact that it's going ot take years to see if it fails or succeeds.

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