Little taste of Russia: Little Green Footballs removes Ron Paul from their GOP Poll for "gaming" reasons then "games" C&L's Poll
By John Amato Sunday Oct 21, 2007 4:01pmYou can't make this stuff up. The righties were all in a huff over my Pete Stark post and yes--Charles Johnson, who attacked Jill Carroll after she was released from being kidnapped in Iraq called me a liar. I'll get to that in another post, but for now, let's look at the mindset that inhabits most authoritarian bloggers. Charlie was so upset about the vote on C&L's Pete Stark poll that he wrote this.
I've just started testing some new polling software and I understand what goes on during online polls. I'm doing them for fun. Charles Johnson was so mad at my poll that he had his zombies freep it, you know...his readers came over to game the vote totals to favor his position instead of C&Lers.
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I've made screen grabs in case they scrub them. Here comes the comedy. Directly below his post that encourages his lunatic readers to "game" the C&L poll, he runs his own GOP/Debate poll and deletes Ron Paul out of it because...(drum roll please)...he didn't want Ron Paul supporters to game the results of his poll!...ROFLMAO. Now that's a twisted mindset.
His other embarrassing project, Pajamas Media took the similar stance against Ron Paul and deleted him from their polls too.
Pajamas Media removed both Kucinich and Paul from this week's straw poll and last week's. Their reasoning? The people voting for Ron Paul depressed the people voting for other candidates, and they weren't voting any more.
Reminds me of the Kremlin. Don't like someone? Delete them from the ballot. It's just sick and hypocritical. I wonder how the Ron Paul people feel about that? These Neo-con 24%ers just can't deal with the fact that there is plenty of anti-war sentiment in the GOP ranks.
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Is that the same Charles Johnson who sucks at programming, and whines about it incessantly on his blog?
Pole a pol for a poll of Paul. Frist!
cheesesauce @ 2:
How many pickles did Peter pick from the peck of pickles?
It's just so much more pleasant to scrub anything you don't agree with, isn't it? Kind of like most of the republican party, ignore the bad news and make up some good news of your very own.
Reality sometimes needs a little adjustment, especially if it just doesn't work for your cause.
What is it with the anti-Russianism on this website? C'mon, they already apologized by the Soviet Union; can't you let a little election fraud go? I mean, it's not like the West is entirely squeaky clean in that respect.
Pajamas Media is the Biggest con job in the world. They dress themselves up in all this utopian rhetoric about giving regular people access to media without filters and all that.
But they do have a party line and they keep to it.
They pretty much consistently shill for the establishment while acting like they are rebels. This whole Ron Paul thing is just further evidence that they push an agenda, even on their so-called "liberal" sites.
its worse than that becuase in their minds the freepers think they are on the side of Truth.
Simon @ 7:
As do we ......... though I'd let anyone vote on a poll and see the results opposed to whom I wanted to ......... isn't that what the US tolerated for it's elections, only the "correct" people were allowed to vote in certain areas ?
Honestly, what is the problem with voters actively supporting their candidates? Am I missing something here? If Paul and Kucinich supporters are more motivated by their candidates, isn't this a valid phenomenon to be measured by polling? I don't understand calling it 'gaming' by any group at any point on the political spectrum. If Thompson supporters really liked their candidate then I'd expect them to be actively seeking out polls, online and otherwise, and attempting to influence the results. I'd just call that supporting their candidate.
Bob Altemeyer (expert on authoritarianism) states:
"The ethnocentrism of high RWAs makes them quite vulnerable to unscrupulous
manipulators.…the authoritarian follower makes himself
vulnerable to malevolent manipulation by chucking out critical thinking and prudence. Furthermore they will not believe the truth if they somehow get
exposed to it, and if the distortions become absolutely undeniable, they will rationalize
it away and put it in a box. If the scoundrel’s duplicity and hypocrisy lands him on the
front page of every daily in the country, the followers will still forgive him if he just
says the right things. As a consequence, I think, politicians, authors and commentators who lead the authoritarian followers in our society get seduced by how easy it is to just lie about things, from obfuscation to equivocation to prevarication."
Sound like some people you know.
god bless you John, please continue pursuing this.
It is getting beyond surreal the obvious blackout of the most successful anti-war and pro-freedom GOP candidate.
While not a fan of Ron Paul he is only on the rethug list with a shred of integrity
Barry Halpern @ 9:
The whole idea with MSM is that they don't want to legitimize the results from polls like this which show that Americans want real change in government. I trust online polls much more than any MSM poll that pushes the media-blessed candidates (Giuliani/Clinton).
The right-wing is getting progressively more immature, irrational, and illogical by the ticking seconds. I personally hate partisan politics, but it's plain to me that one side -- the left, though flawed itself -- is not resorting to the immature and unintelligent tactics the other side is using.
I forget who said it, but the quote goes "I'd rather be happy than right."
Couldn't be a better motto for the right.
Well, how about the CNN poll that had 88% saying "no," he should not apologize?
Sounds to me as tho Charles Johnson got his polling experience working in both the 2000
Florida elections and the 2004 Ohio elections. Not only dishonest and deceitful,but a
real prick; just like the guy who was appointed by the S/C in 2000 and who, through
voter fraud in 2004, was selected(not elected) as prez. These types of people are
the very lowest scumb of the earth..
seems there is a shortage of bullshit coming from the gop and they
are all hungry. some are using their hands instead of those silver spoons.
you would think brown lips would be embarrassing, but not for the gop.
The difference, of course, is that LGF showed how the Paulites were gaming the system (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27630_Oh_No!_Here_Come_the_Paulians!&only) and you provide no evidence of his readers doing the same to you.
BTW. Your link to LGF's "who attacked Jill Carroll" (http://www.crooksandliars.com/index.php?s=Jill+Carroll) takes you nowhere.
Keep up the good work!
Isn't Little Green Footballs a satire site to parody the irrational Islamophobia present in America?
It's hysterically funny and depressingly sad at the same time. These people are clowns and tools at the same time.
Pine Nut, NC @ 15:
Actually, before CNN "took down" the poll, it was 92 percent voting for NO apology/.
Blue Buddha @ 3:
he just picked larry craig's prick from a peck of pickled peckers.
exit7a @ 12:
I don't know. I think Huckabee has a shred of integrity.
"Their reasoning? The people voting for Ron Paul depressed the people voting for other candidates.."
Vote for Romney or I'll kill myself...
Ron Paul is a great candidate, I'd love to vote for him or Obama.
Rusty Shackleford @ 23:
nah he's just a good dieter..
Shocking that an online poll could be rat f*cked like that...Not.
Look, these "polls" a completely worthless. They're only good for the "polling software companies" and generating hits on political blogs.
Just say no to online polls...(You too, John)
Paultards never dissapoint!
pinkobait @ 24:
Actually, "vote for Romney or else
your vote will NOT be counted"...
Rusty Shackleford @ 1:
- Yup. The Charles Johnson who seems to be perpetually stuck in "web design 101", and turns everything into a conspiracy. It's never "people agree with Ron Paul", its a conspiracy to screw with LGF. It's never "people in the media disagree with Bush, it's a conspiracy".
I've had a few run-ins with those goofballs, but I've had "grown up" work to do so I haven't had much time to play with them. That, and I'm still not entirely sure that I won't catch VD from their incoherent, unhinged, lunatic, rabid ranting.
blogenfreude @ 28:
I am a diehard liberal planning on voting for Paul if he wins the nomination; watch what you say pls, I've given over 21000 dollars in my 28 years of life to liberal causes.
That is a quote from a couple of LGF'ers...
And I must say that it is depressing on a few levels.. but first and formost it is depressing as it is exactly the kind of thing that "we" say over here...
You know...
There is only ONE reality that we share... sure we each have our own.. but what we share is one...
sigh...
Perhaps massive population reduction via thermonuclear fireballs is the only way to wake up this species.
Start over.
Do we see how entrenched we are?
What the hell is it going to take?
Perhaps it will take a total fascist nutbag like Rudy to totally fuck this country up beyond all recognition to wake us up to the amount of change we need to focus on..
The point of making yet another "GOP hypocrites" jokes has become too tiresome to repeat again. :(
Ron Paul will be made to pay dearly for this piece of gorgeous legislation. It's short, and SO sweet. You really ought to bother yourself to read it.
I´d say the headline of this post is inaccurate. It would be correct to say "Little taste of the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics)". The USSR and Russia are not one and the same.
Johnny2Bad @ 27:
Please do this. Online polls have absolutely no value.
So Ron Paul is their biggest threat? What the hell does that say about their party? What? Are they afraid of a guy who doesn't want to kill people in real wars built on fantasy? Do they own stock in Halliburton or something? When they grow up do they want to fight and die in a war, just any old war that can't even be justified. By the way, why aren't they fighting in this war if they are so fond of wars?
shfv @ 31:
Is that $210.00 or $21,000 and if the latter, you are one generous individual; assuming
you got involved at age 18, or just 10 years ago; meaning you have donated $2,100.00
each year and most political donations are NOT even tax deductible.
Republicans sure have a lot in common with other republics they vilify.
shfv @ 31:
May want to read up on Paul's racist past ( and newsletter ) before donating. Just saying....
I have watched Ron Paul herein Texas for a long time. I am not voting for him.
99 @ 34:
Ron Paul is the only candidate with any substance, integrity and the record to show for it in these upcoming elections.
Obama is a bit unseasoned for my taste, but I love his attitude and his mentality for change; he will make a great candidate in another 4-8 years.
didnt anyone tell charlie and the rest of the lgf crowd not to fuck with droogies???
if hes not careful, im gonna make like alex, put on some js bach, and rape the bastards with on oversized penis sculpture
On a liberal site I would expect to see a liberal candidate leading in a poll. Same goes for a conservative site, expect a conservative to lead. So really, are they important? You can almost always predict the results. I have done it dozens of times with polls at Kos.
If I was in one of the earlier primary states(June in Pa) I would of already registered Republican so I could support Ron Paul for President. In a recent interview on PBS Newshour, he declares that he will by and large dismantle the CIA. The last man who wanted to do that was Assassinated on Nov. 4th 1963. Rep. Ron Paul has the guts to take on the Racketeers. The Freepers take orders from the Sick Bastards. Ron Paul is their greatest threat. If marginalizing him doesn't work, he better wear a helmet.
Peace.
rduke @ 32:
R O F L! Reich-wingers come over to C&L to manipulate the poll, but the left is dishonest and are liars? ROFL!!!!
Doggiebobo @ 38:
Roughly $21,000, I am blessed to have tremendous personal wealth at this juncture in my life. Donated to pro-choice causes, stem cell research funds and a plethora of local San Diego based charities. Mind you, I don't donate to politicians as my trust of them generally have been hindered until Ron Paul and Barack Obama approached the podiums, I have donated 1000 dollars to each of their campaigns.
Mr. Anon @ 36:
While Paul is the best of the goopers, he's still a wingnut. And something disquieting about the fringe element supporting him. I know its not his fault, but I've yet to hear him disavow the white supremacists that are gaga over him.
shfv @ 42:
How do you even say pure shit like that...
Ron Paul is NOT the only Candidate with any substance, integrity, or a record..
Ever heard of Dennis Kucinich??
Or you just don't do much of that book readin stuff...?
Doggiebobo @ 29:
Yes all polls must predict what diebold will eventually insist you believe.
These people are Un-American scum. They belong in this country as much as Bin Laden does. I am tired of them wrapping themselves in the flag and PRETENDING to support the troops. I'd even take arms up against these loons because they are as much as a terror threat than any other. They are killing America on a CULT like moment that lies and attacks 24/7. How long do we turn the other cheek? I'm done with these Frauds. if these are Christians then Hitler was a saint! From my experience when FACE TO FACE WITH THESE frauds they are pussies. They fold like a patio chair when in a debate but talk behind my back when I leave. PUSSIES is what they are.
Dr. Matt @ 46:
I know.. it never ends.. however... I do not wear a hypocrites cape gladly..
The rhetoric is the same.
moondancer @ 49:
Very substantive. All he does is support a rigorous, and strict interpretation of the Constitution; do you not want the same? You equate wingnut'ism to wanting our civil liberties restored?
shfv @ 47:
Good for you....since each of the organizations you mentioned are well worth any contributions that can be made and/or afforded.
Kinda like how you completely omitted Kucinich from the first poll about voting for Colbert?
rduke @ 49:
Kucinich doesn't have a shot at the Dem nomination, Paul however does as he alone stands out as the lotus in the shit-filled pond that is the GOP candidate pool.
They've been demonstrating for years that they think lying, cheating, suppressing votes, gaming polls, etc., is all OK if they do it because, y'know, they're on the side of the angels, and if we don't see that they're doing it all for our own good, we will someday - in their minds, it's in a league with the fake battle plans the Allies would "let" the Nazis find out about. The fact that they trot out Churchill's quote about the truth accompanied with a bodyguard of lies is the proof.
Doggiebobo @ 54:
You asked, though I dare preferred not to mention which causes, but since my credibility was on the line, I felt it was an imperative step I take; forgive me if I sound as though I am raising myself on a pedestal.
Rudy Giuliani is really pushing the "I hate gays" angle. His campaign just added this video to youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...h?v=5YTCzvBc- CY
I wonder if Rudy would support an amendment which bans marrying your cousin?
rduke @ 49:
Maybe shfv is referring to the "only Republican" candidate worthy of his consideration.
shfv @ 53:
How about a statement like: I will defend your right to exist, but I detest all you stand for, and will not take your money for my campaign?
Reduke @49: Yep, see shfv's comments @ 56; he was referring to Paul as the only
Republican candidate he'd give consideration to....and I personally find his choice
tolerable when compared to the other Repig candidates..
Doggiebobo @ 60:
I thought I made this quite clear.
Ron Paul is no friend of liberals...the man is a libertarian and his supporters consist largely of fringe militia types who probably wouldn't even vote on election day regardless of Paul being on the ballot, because they don't have voter registration cards (more government intrusion!!!), or are disengaged from politics or public policy completely (hippies who are attracted to overly-simplistic anti-government rhetoric and his stance on the failed war on drugs).
Having said that, I would more than love to see Paul gain the nomination. Nothing more exciting than seeing an overzealous group of hopeful ideologues losing miserably. This accompanied by the utter collapse of the right's moronic, evangelical base.
shfv @ 31:
Then P.T. Barnum was right.
shfv @ 53:
I agree with moondancer. You Ron Paul supporters seem to miss the key point that Ron Paul is out to dismantle and deregulate the government for the benefit of big business. The Libertarian Party is not only a major threat to our democracy, but it is a neoconservative's wet dream.
"Anarcho-capitalism, in my opinion, is a doctrinal system which, if ever implemented, would lead to forms of tyranny and oppression that have few counterparts in human history."
- Noam Chomsky
Fine.
Let them keep telling the Libertarians that there's no place for them in the Repub Party.
Same as there's no place for the Moderates in the Repub party.
We'll take 'em.
Johnny2Bad @ 65:
You people love to insult huh? I've been reading C&L for years and years, and I start to comment only to get insults thrown at me.
Imagine that! Great post... Thanks, John!
Some of you are as intolerant as those you persecute.
phantom @ 66:
With respect to Ron Paul(and in fact almost ALL Dem and Repig candidates running for
the office of the Prez.), I believe a quote from Mark Twain is appropirate:
" Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But
I repeat myself."......
phantom @ 66:
Ron Paul wants to eliminate the illegal Federal Reserve, IRS, halt income taxation due to it's unconstitutionality, and employ diplomatic, peaceful solutions over military conflict.
pissed off patricia @ 37:
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Fear. Stock in Haliburton.
;)
What do you expect from Reslug cheats and liars?? Still laughing at the bedwetting, blubbering, Right Wing-nutO losers are sooooo desperate.
People have to realize politicians know nothing...their propensity and purpose for upholding their constituents' rights should be the ONLY basis for their existence! NOTHING MORE! To me, the only viable candidate who falls in line this these purposes are Obama and Paul (and Gore if he were running).
Ron Woods @ 18:
I actually linked an entire page that has several articles about Jill Carroll.
shfv @ 31:
I won't insult you, shfv. I am very libertarian-influenced, and known for it on C&L.
But, I would like to ask why you have already decided that you will vote for Paul "if he wins" his party's nomination. No matter what? Even if Kucinich is his opponent?
Just wondering if I'm hearing you correctly, and what your reasons are.
Dennis Kucinich.
I went over and read some Little Green Football after the 04 election and came to the conclusion that those people are the scum of the earth. Islamic terrorists are more humane than those evil pieces of sh!t. When one of them stated that they couldn't wait until the terrorists set off a nuclear bomb in a blue state, I left.
So that's whose got Harry Reid's balls!
As far as Pelosi, I can't stand to even look at her anymore since she took the Constitution off the table.
chronic bedwetter Charles Johnson never met a war he didn't want people not related to him to fight so he can feel accomplished after his failed music career
Karen @ 77:
I would vote Kucinich if he could win the Dem nomination, I'll make that clear right now. I am only debating the candidates I prefer of whom I feel can wage a viable candidacy (via winning potential of their respective nominations) which include in my opinion, Obama and Paul.
At least you LGF is keeping tabs on you. You scare the shit out him. So you're doing something right.
Cythraul @ 55:
I told everyone that was a test. I've posted a ton of DK on C&L
Ruthless People @ 80:
I like the way you worded that! :-)
Personally I think we need a leader to set an example .. a Constitutional example...
Please help this come true...
Several thousand people all on one day sending in $100 all at once... not for a war monger... not for some democrat that made promises that they yet again did not keep... but for someone that can be respected by all resonable and logically informed people...
Ron Paul
@ You tube = http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaul2008dotcom
shfv @ 72:
"the ILLEGAL Federal Reserve"
"halt income taxation due to it's UNCONSTITUTIONALITY"
THIS is why no one takes Ron Paul and his kooky supporters seriously.
Chris from Ohio @ 79:
Amen Chris, After reading some of those posts over there I wonder how those people live with all that hate........
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