Un-frickin-believable! I'm horrified... again!!!!

Tough luck. Don't work as a mercenary in a brutal occupation then. It's unfortunate it has to be a white american girl before anyone in the US can even begin to sympathize. How many iraqi victims have testified before congress. I guess zero.

John @ 2:

Don't kid yourself:
this is the face of war. Not pretty pictures of rose petals or parades. War is about death, and the infliction of death.

This is our military and mercenaries.where is the outrage at the rape, mutiliation murder of 15-year old Abeer, an Iraqi girl, and her family at the hands of American military?

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or as the American corporate press called her:

"an Iraqi female"

This is so sickening and I have read freeper women say she wanted it, and that you can't rape the willing. But this is the corporation of the United States under Bush. Jamie Leigh was NEVER someone who mattered to Haliburton, KBR or Bushco - she was just fodder, 2nd or 3rd class, to be used, misused and abused, just like we all are viewed by the the "ruling class."

She didn't matter, and she only matters to them now because of the bad press and possilbe $$$ she could cost them. . . wait didn't the rethuglicans put a cap on what one could be awarded?

The put her in a hostile environment, with men who knew that they wouldn't be prosecuted for ANY crime they did (sounds like the throw back policies the Republikkkans have been trying to foiset upon us) . . .they may have, infact viewed these women, Jamie Leigh and others, as "comfot women"

Where's the religious right and family values, what we are doing in IRAQ is right good and proper NOW??????

Governments like it that way. They want their people to see war as a drama of opposites, good and evil, ‘them’ and ‘us’, victory or defeat. But war is primarily not about victory or defeat but about death and the infliction of death. It represents the total failure of the human spirit. I know an editor who has wearied of hearing me say this: but how many editors have first hand experience of war?

The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk

Jamie reported that 11 others have come forward with similar acts of violence by americans on americans.

KBR stole her rape kit (obstruction of justice) and locked her up in a guarded storage containter (kidnapping).

The Justice Department did not investigate until after she appeared on 20/20, then only to tell her that if sh'e aware of more cases, she should direct them elsewhere.

Our government is complicit with the brutal rape of an american women by american men in the heavily guarded green zone and the Department of Justice will not prosecute.

Could you see all the judiciary committee's hands above their desks?

the barrack where she was living? someone knows the names of all other residents there during the time she lived there. couldn't these ppl be named on the net?

Jenny'O @ 15:

the barrack where she was living? someone knows the names of all other residents there during the time she lived there. couldn't these ppl be named on the net?

That would subject people and their families who were not involved to all sorts of hell, and for anyone who was allegedly involved-well just think of their families, who would be barraged with hate. Not a decent thing to do.

I sympathize with her cause, and her situation. part of me inside whispers, "what did you think would happen!"

Look, I dont go to south central LA and start walking around at night whistleing showtoons.
even if i was getting payed what must have been a very healthy salary for doing it.

all you spoiled "daddy's girls" out there need to start accepting that YOU, not anyone else, is solely responsible for your own safety.
YOU need to make the right decisions.

still, There is a Huge problem with the cover up. and I wish her the best of luck in her fight.

I was mistaken. Abeer was 14, not fifteen years of age, when she was raped and killed by American soldiers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKI4qtNcFh8

miss_kitty @ 17:

Jenny'O @ 15:

the barrack where she was living? someone knows the names of all other residents there during the time she lived there. couldn't these ppl be named on the net?

That would subject people and their families who were not involved to all sorts of hell, and for anyone who was allegedly involved-well just think of their families, who would be barraged with hate. Not a decent thing to do.

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sure it's evil but all sorts of information on convicted sex criminals is available--they have families.
if they wrote the book can't that book be picked up and thrown back at them? i don't care a whit about some mad drug crazed rapist's rights.
as for his family, families know if they're kiddie is a mercenary in iraq. if they're little bouncing baby boy was an american patriot just interested in winning the noble war for freedom then he'd be a soldier not a hired killer.

cripes, their not they're.

onizero @ 19:

I sympathize with her cause, and her situation. part of me inside whispers, "what did you think would happen!"

Look, I dont go to south central LA and start walking around at night whistleing showtoons.
even if i was getting payed what must have been a very healthy salary for doing it.

all you spoiled "daddy's girls" out there need to start accepting that YOU, not anyone else, is solely responsible for your own safety.
YOU need to make the right decisions.

still, There is a Huge problem with the cover up. and I wish her the best of luck in her fight.

You don't think there's a Huge problem with guys thinking that rape is an acceptable action, if the woman was seemingly (to them) "asking for it?" Or bystanders, like you, implying that because she chose the work she chose, SHE was asking for it-I mean you clearly imply that in your comment. A barracks run by a large company is NOT South Central.

Yeeesh. :roll:

Jenny'O @ 23:

miss_kitty @ 17:

Jenny'O @ 15:

the barrack where she was living? someone knows the names of all other residents there during the time she lived there. couldn't these ppl be named on the net?

That would subject people and their families who were not involved to all sorts of hell, and for anyone who was allegedly involved-well just think of their families, who would be barraged with hate. Not a decent thing to do.

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sure it's evil but all sorts of information on convicted sex criminals is available--they have families.
if they wrote the book can't that book be picked up and thrown back at them? i don't care a whit about some mad drug crazed rapist's rights.
as for his family, families know if they're kiddie is a mercenary in iraq. if they're little bouncing baby boy was an american patriot just interested in winning the noble war for freedom then he'd be a soldier not a hired killer.

So when was anyone convicted of raping her? And who said everyone in the barracks did it?

onizero @ 19:

fuck you, your sexist garbage and your racist analogies.

"She was asking fot it", eh? I would like to ban you for that myself, but luckily for you that's someone else's job.

John @ 14:

liberalNmoderation @ 8:

I believe that the vast majority of the US military are honorable men and women, who would never even think of commiting such offenses. But I cannot say the same for the bloodthirsty mercs who are in Iraq, and god knows where else, on OUR payroll...committing warcrimes in OUR names...

Damn, just when you think shit can't get any worse...what happened to this country? I'm so angry and sad...don't know whether to cry or scream in anger for this poor woman, and so many other things done to people around the world by this administration. How do we make it stop?!?!?!

you believe one of the Big Lies then.

The military is not about protecting america. It hasn't been since the late 1800s, when we overthrew and took over Hawaii.

Perhaps I should clarify John, I should have said, "I would LIKE to believe. etc etc. "

I've never seen the Counterpunch site before, I'll have to give a good look-see...as for your second comment...maybe some truth in that. But in both world wars, our guys were pretty honorable, and believed they were fighting the good fight.

My heart goes out to you - thanks for your bravery at stadning up to these thugs. Dick, George, Donald, Condoleeza... Your day in court will come. You MF'ers are going to wind up in jail.

Oh yeah,

Remember when Bush was answering questions after a speech to American University, I think. .. and a bright young woman got up and ask what laws do the contracts serve under. He laughed and hemmed and hawed and said he'd have to check with Rumsfeld and get back to her. Were still waiting.

contacts contractors

below_me @ 26:

knud @ 3:

Tough luck. Don't work as a mercenary in a brutal occupation then. It's unfortunate it has to be a white american girl before anyone in the US can even begin to sympathize. How many iraqi victims have testified before congress. I guess zero.

tough luck? you need to be castrated.

And I thought I was a cynical SOB Geeeez, knud! Have a little compassion! And WAS she, in fact, a Mercenary? I thought she was working in a non-combat position for KBR...
I do agree that it is a damn shame that it took a tragedy happening to a white American woman, before the US even starts to think about investigating. One can only shudder at the thought of what these mercs have done to the Iraqi women and covered up...

onizero @ 34:

no but a war zone is, I'm not saying she asked for it. ruffys are never asked for. im saying she put herself there.
she went to Iraq, knowing the dangers, she accepted the drink, knowing the dangers, the guy even mentioned ruffys as he handed it to her.
no rational, civilized human is going to argue that she was not the victim here, but she made herself the victim.
yes there should be justice, but if you think for a second that this could not be avoided, you live in a fantasy world.

So these guys couldn't help themselves. That's what you're saying. They saw an attractive woman in a war zone and rape was the answer to their inability to court, do a little smooth talking and all.

Their dicks raped her, not them. There was no decision made on the part of the guys. Men don't rape, their dicks do. Therefore they aren't responsible.

You know what these assholes would have done to an outsider accused of raping one of 'their' women?

Pack of feral dogs.

Like I said before: Yeesh.

considering the government is at the hands of this.. shouldn't there be some form of.. accountability for not doing their job... You know.. protecting us, the people of the US?

Any new legislation passed to make contractor personnel responsible for their crimes ought to be made retroactive as well.

mojopo @ 44:

onizero @ 19:, the best way for the situation to have been avoid was for the men NOT to rape her. She had no reason to believe they would rape her, and it is NOT her fault that these animals could not control themselves. She had every right to expect to be safe. They had NO right to violate her.

Well said. Thank you, voice of clarity and reason.

miss_kitty @ 49:

mojopo @ 44:

onizero @ 19:, the best way for the situation to have been avoid was for the men NOT to rape her. She had no reason to believe they would rape her, and it is NOT her fault that these animals could not control themselves. She had every right to expect to be safe. They had NO right to violate her.

Well said. Thank you, voice of clarity and reason.

I second that by god! I think rapists should be castrated in the most painful and humiliating manner conceivable. No fuckin sympathy here for a goddamn rapist!

McDuff @ 36:

liberalNmoderation @ 33:

But in both world wars, our guys were pretty honorable, and believed they were fighting the good fight.

That's because the "enemy" in WWI & II was a viable and eminent threat to world peace and was responsible for the killing of millions of innocent civilians. The same can't be said about Vietnam or Iraq. But, you already knew that.

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i hate to be the bearer of bad news but rape around u.s. military bases is and has been a huge problem in japan and korea for a long time, sadly, places where we do not employ mercenaries.
it is not the u.s. military presence per se that the okinawans object to, it is that it is unsafe for 12 year old girls to walk to school.
maybe the problem is with the rah rah manly man chest beating that passes for true manlyness these days. not by all guys,,,i know all men aren't like that--mine isn't. but i've worked in factories where a guy who is perfectly normal at his house, acts like a brain damaged overstimulated gorilla on the factory floor. a woman from office walks by and it sounds like the effing monkey house at the zoo. why? my guess; a large dose of imaturity showing who's the biggest whatever he is, in the room...office woman walking by thinks: 'i have got to find a different job."

onizero @ 34:

miss_kitty @ 27:

onizero @ 19:

I sympathize with her cause, and her situation. part of me inside whispers, "what did you think would happen!"

Look, I dont go to south central LA and start walking around at night whistleing showtoons.
even if i was getting payed what must have been a very healthy salary for doing it.

all you spoiled "daddy's girls" out there need to start accepting that YOU, not anyone else, is solely responsible for your own safety.
YOU need to make the right decisions.

still, There is a Huge problem with the cover up. and I wish her the best of luck in her fight.

You don't think there's a Huge problem with guys thinking that rape is an acceptable action, if the woman was seemingly (to them) "asking for it?" Or bystanders, like you, implying that because she chose the work she chose, SHE was asking for it-I mean you clearly imply that in your comment. A barracks run by a large company is NOT South Central.

Yeeesh. :roll:

no but a war zone is, I'm not saying she asked for it. ruffys are never asked for. im saying she put herself there.
she went to Iraq, knowing the dangers, she accepted the drink, knowing the dangers, the guy even mentioned ruffys as he handed it to her.
no rational, civilized human is going to argue that she was not the victim here, but she made herself the victim.
yes there should be justice, but if you think for a second that this could not be avoided, you live in a fantasy world.

So what if she had been a soldier? Would it have been okay for them to rape her, then? I mean, she'd be in a war zone and would have "put herself" there by joining the military. Right? How did she MAKE herself the victim? By taking a job? Get over yourself. That is such misogynistic bullshit.

What if she had been a man? Would a man have deserved to be anally penetrated, too, for "putting himself" there?

knud @ 52:

below_me @ 26:

knud @ 3:

Tough luck. Don't work as a mercenary in a brutal occupation then. It's unfortunate it has to be a white american girl before anyone in the US can even begin to sympathize. How many iraqi victims have testified before congress. I guess zero.

tough luck? you need to be castrated.

She was a mercenary - earning money in a bloodbath of an invasion. Appr. 1 million dead, 4.4 million displaced from their own home according to UN. That's called ETHNIC CLEANSING! My sympathy goes to the victims of this war not the instigators. It has been known for a very long time what KBR and other contractors do in Iraq. Just go to a videosite that doesn't censor and you can see these people shooting at civilians. I'm not american and I guess you are, so let me give you are scenario where you might see it from my point of view. Who do you feel most sympathy for? russian soldiers in Chechnya or the civilian population? Now let's say a large part of the russians were mercenaries who only were there to make a quick buck.

So raping a woman because she's a mercenary is okay? I'm sorry, but she is a woman first and to give any green light for raping a woman because she is weak and a group of men are strong is WRONG, I don't care how pretty you dress it up on a KBR bow. Rape is wrong. RAPE IS WRONG. Rape is wrong.

Miss Kitty and liberalNmoderation, thank you.

Having read much about this case, I'm continually amazed by the number of people who are quick to comment about ways the victim could have avoided being raped, as if it was her choice to be raped or not. It is absurd to imply that she is in any way responsible for the horrifying choices these criminals made.

In a nation that approves torture, how could we not accept rape?

Please don't think that I lack sympathy for the young woman....I assure you that she has it and I applaud her bravery.....and I hope her civil suit results in a literal billion dollar judgment.

However, this situation is fucking beautiful......actually wears the face of justice, in the form of a pretty white girl. The mainstream media will not be able to pass up this story with this pretty girl and the salacious details of a horrible crime. There will be an uproar (even among those of us who don't think of the rape and murder of an Iraqui civilan as anything more than a statistic....some of us are real humanitarians you know), and there will be an accounting........and the inquiry of what happened to this pretty white girl will spill open the whole morass of mercenary malfeasance, hopefully along the way obtaining justice for those who aren't pretty white American girls.

V V

ysbaddaden @ 13:

Could you see all the judiciary committee's hands above their desks?

Your sick go get some help. Better yet go join your buddies at KBR.

When women go to work, they have a reasonable expectation of working in a safe environment.

They do not go to work expecting to be raped by their co-workers.

I don't give a good got damned if she was working for Bush directly! She did not deserve to go to work and get raped by her co-workers. Courting and Smooth Talking does not enter the thinking of the wolf pack that attacked her.

Rape is not about sex. Rape is an assault intended to show one's power of another person and the method of subjugation is sexual intercourse against the will of the person being assaulted.

For you dipshyts who blame the woman by going to work at KBR, consider that she had no way of knowing that KBR would necessarily employ serial rapists,did she?

This "blame-the-victim" shyt needs to stop. Ask hetero guys who get locked up how they feel when they are forced to become some convict's "prison bitch" to protect himself from being gang-raped by the rest of the tats and pruno-drinking crowd. Chances are highly likely they will feel like this woman does.

And those of you who are asking where's the outrage over American soldiers raping a 15 year old Iraqi girl are spot-on - but whenever it's a White Woman, it gets noticed...unless the White Woman is pointing her fingers at Bush and Cheney like Valerie Plame did; all bets are off at that poin.

Is it still against the law to blame rape victims? But then again, we live in a nation of laws that are not being followed or enforced, so we evolve into anarchy...

Never in the history of war involving Americans have there been such documented cover-ups of American contractors -- or mercenaries -- involved in criminal behavior. Never in the history of the United States have the illegal conduct of mercenaries been publicized so broadly. Yet we allow these mercenaries to operate with impunity to rape, murder and assault women whether they are Iraqi or American. Why? In the name of democracy. For the greater good or whatever you want to call it these days. I'm still waiting for that wake-up call from Pelosi et al to put an end to this.

http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/

kbr was dick's company. rest assured dick will stand by the company throughout this ordeal. dick is a company man. dick is a conservative.

mojopo @ 59:

Miss Kitty and liberalNmoderation, thank you.

Having read much about this case, I'm continually amazed by the number of people who are quick to comment about ways the victim could have avoided being raped, as if it was her choice to be raped or not. It is absurd to imply that she is in any way responsible for the horrifying choices these criminals made.

You are quite welcome. I have two sisters, both were raped. I think most guys who've never dealt with a loved one who went through such a humiliating and traumatic ordeal, can even BEGIN to comprehend how damaging...mentally, as well as physically it truly is. That's where the "They were askin for it" bullshit comes from...sheer ignorance.
If I EVER run into either of the bastards that defiled my sisters...well, lets just say, they will never rape again.
Man I'm so fuckin pissed now, almost to the point of tears...you FUCKS! NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED! I don't care what her role was in Iraq! Or who she fuckin worked for! It's INEXCUSABLE!!! PERIOD! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK NEANDERTAL SKULLS!!!

mojopo @ 66:

Vitam Vas @ 63:

Please don't think that I lack sympathy for the young woman....I assure you that she has it and I applaud her bravery.....and I hope her civil suit results in a literal billion dollar judgment.

However, this situation is fucking beautiful......actually wears the face of justice, in the form of a pretty white girl. The mainstream media will not be able to pass up this story with this pretty girl and the salacious details of a horrible crime. There will be an uproar (even among those of us who don't think of the rape and murder of an Iraqui civilan as anything more than a statistic....some of us are real humanitarians you know), and there will be an accounting........and the inquiry of what happened to this pretty white girl will spill open the whole morass of mercenary malfeasance, hopefully along the way obtaining justice for those who aren't pretty white American girls.

V V

I find your comments highly disturbing. Your gleeful, cynical tone is nothing short of creepy. I will assume you're hopeful that these criminals will be investigated and sent to prison. The manner in which you express it, by calling attention to how this woman looks, gave me severe HEEBIE JEEBIES.

I'm addressing the REALITY of the situation (I don't like it myself, but it is what is).......that a lot of the brain dead fucknuts who view atrocities committed against dark skinned people in other countries as nothing more than pixels on their TV screen, might actually sit up and pay fucking attention now that there is a pretty American white girl involved...........and I AM happy that by hook or by crook, we may actually see some JUSTICE for not only Ms. Leigh but also the uncountable others.

V V

This is absolutely astounding !!!

The fact that KBR does not control this rabid viral news is absolutely astounding.

Another fact is Jamie Leigh Jones know what she is getting into when she accepted the job at KBR. And she is handsomely compensated for accepting that risk.

The complaint and allegations from Jamie is an aberration, and is no way based on the facts, and in no way reflect the general point of view of the entire Christian US peace keeping forces and its contractors.

These contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan are there to serve our country and freedom of individuals, and in no way will they act to harm US nationals.

DJ, Arlington Group.

The Political Junkie @ 67:

When women go to work, they have a reasonable expectation of working in a safe environment.

They do not go to work expecting to be raped by their co-workers.

I don't give a good got damned if she was working for Bush directly! She did not deserve to go to work and get raped by her co-workers. Courting and Smooth Talking does not enter the thinking of the wolf pack that attacked her.

Rape is not about sex. Rape is an assault intended to show one's power of another person and the method of subjugation is sexual intercourse against the will of the person being assaulted.

For you dipshyts who blame the woman by going to work at KBR, consider that she had no way of knowing that KBR would necessarily employ serial rapists,did she?

This "blame-the-victim" shyt needs to stop. Ask hetero guys who get locked up how they feel when they are forced to become some convict's "prison bitch" to protect himself from being gang-raped by the rest of the tats and pruno-drinking crowd. Chances are highly likely they will feel like this woman does.

And those of you who are asking where's the outrage over American soldiers raping a 15 year old Iraqi girl are spot-on - but whenever it's a White Woman, it gets noticed...unless the White Woman is pointing her fingers at Bush and Cheney like Valerie Plame did; all bets are off at that poin.

Is it still against the law to blame rape victims? But then again, we live in a nation of laws that are not being followed or enforced, so we evolve into anarchy...

I agree wholeheartedly and would second that for all those who blame the victim, Would you blame the victim if it was a white male who got raped by male employees? Would you still be saying "That's what you get going to work for KBR"?

liberalNmoderation @ 73:

mojopo @ 59:

Miss Kitty and liberalNmoderation, thank you.

Having read much about this case, I'm continually amazed by the number of people who are quick to comment about ways the victim could have avoided being raped, as if it was her choice to be raped or not. It is absurd to imply that she is in any way responsible for the horrifying choices these criminals made.

You are quite welcome. I have two sisters, both were raped. I think most guys who've never dealt with a loved one who went through such a humiliating and traumatic ordeal, can even BEGIN to comprehend how damaging...mentally, as well as physically it truly is. That's where the "They were askin for it" bullshit comes from...sheer ignorance.
If I EVER run into either of the bastards that defiled my sisters...well, lets just say, they will never rape again.
Man I'm so fuckin pissed now, almost to the point of tears...you FUCKS! NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED! I don't care what her role was in Iraq! Or who she fuckin worked for! It's INEXCUSABLE!!! PERIOD! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK NEANDERTAL SKULLS!!!

I might disagree with you there........I certainly think [Deleted. Please don't wish violence upon others on the site.Thank you-Sitemonitor] Just my opinion though, wouldn't wish it on anyone else, but those two......sure.

DJ @ 77:

This is absolutely astounding !!!

The fact that KBR does not control this rabid viral news is absolutely astounding.

Another fact is Jamie Leigh Jones know what she is getting into when she accepted the job at KBR. And she is handsomely compensated for accepting that risk.

The complaint and allegations from Jamie is an aberration, and is no way based on the facts, and in no way reflect the general point of view of the entire Christian US peace keeping forces and its contractors.

These contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan are there to serve our country and freedom of individuals, and in no way will they act to harm US nationals.

DJ, Arlington Group.

Really. Can you prove Jamie knew that she would be bunked with men? Do you think she had a reasonable expectation that she would be separated?

And you think she knew the risk that she was accepting was not assumed to be from insurgents (as most would beleive) but she in fact knew that the risk came from her own co-workers . . .

And you know for a FACT that this and the 11 other stories like this in an abberation just like Abu Ghraib

And no they are NOT there to serve our country, if they were then some law somewhere should be able to hold them accountable, either military, US law or Iraqi law but they are exempt from everyone of them.

Boot @ 81:

liberalNmoderation @ 73:

mojopo @ 59:

Miss Kitty and liberalNmoderation, thank you.

Having read much about this case, I'm continually amazed by the number of people who are quick to comment about ways the victim could have avoided being raped, as if it was her choice to be raped or not. It is absurd to imply that she is in any way responsible for the horrifying choices these criminals made.

You are quite welcome. I have two sisters, both were raped. I think most guys who've never dealt with a loved one who went through such a humiliating and traumatic ordeal, can even BEGIN to comprehend how damaging...mentally, as well as physically it truly is. That's where the "They were askin for it" bullshit comes from...sheer ignorance.
If I EVER run into either of the bastards that defiled my sisters...well, lets just say, they will never rape again.
Man I'm so fuckin pissed now, almost to the point of tears...you FUCKS! NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED! I don't care what her role was in Iraq! Or who she fuckin worked for! It's INEXCUSABLE!!! PERIOD! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK NEANDERTAL SKULLS!!!

I might disagree with you there........I certainly think [Deleted-Sitemonitor]. Just my opinion though, wouldn't wish it on anyone else, but those two......sure.

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liberalNmoderation @ 85:

Boot @ 81:

liberalNmoderation @ 73:

You are quite welcome. I have two sisters, both were raped. I think most guys who've never dealt with a loved one who went through such a humiliating and traumatic ordeal, can even BEGIN to comprehend how damaging...mentally, as well as physically it truly is. That's where the "They were askin for it" bullshit comes from...sheer ignorance.
If I EVER run into either of the bastards that defiled my sisters...well, lets just say, they will never rape again.
Man I'm so fuckin pissed now, almost to the point of tears...you FUCKS! NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED! I don't care what her role was in Iraq! Or who she fuckin worked for! It's INEXCUSABLE!!! PERIOD! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK NEANDERTAL SKULLS!!!

I might disagree with you there........I certainly think [Deleted-Sitemonitor] Just my opinion though, wouldn't wish it on anyone else, but those two......sure.

[Deleted. Consult the commenting policy-Sitemonitor].

Touche

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Whoa, the quote feature is screwy on Boot's comment on #87. I have never had two of my sister's raped.

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TonyT @ 35:

My heart goes out to you - thanks for your bravery at stadning up to these thugs. Dick, George, Donald, Condoleeza... Your day in court will come. You MF'ers are going to wind up in jail.

They will never wind up in jail, NEVER!

But if you believe in life after death, as I do, and judgement after death, as I do, as these hypocritical scum supposedly do, they WILL NOT escape justice.

This shit makes me want to vomit!

Im not excusing them. and stop putting words in my mouth. of course this is a heinous crime.

Im suggesting that from a purely objectionable point of view; this whole situation can be easily traced back to two(2) factors that allowed this to happen.

1. The enviroment allowed for no(0) enforcment of laws designed to protect her safty. there are bad people in this world, our structure of society is justly designed to prevent these bad people from acting out their evil by placing both preventative measures and enforcing punishment for evil acted out.
In a situation like iraq, due to the fact that contrators are not held to the laws typically enforced in a military structure, the formentioned society is not present. however it may seem.

THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AND NEEDS TO CHANGE.

2. However damaging to the frail candy coated vision of the world held by those individuals who's ignorance allowed the situation in iraq to happen in the first place. There is a moral obligation placed on the good people of the world to be in CONSTANT VIGILANCE of the bad people. That also includes vigilance in protecting ones self. This DOES NOT MEAN that a civilized person should not expect safety in the company of society. It means that one must always be suspitous of ones own situation. PERIOD.

SHE DID NOT DESERVE IT AND I NEVER SAID SHE DID. THE BADGUYS THAT MADE THIS CRIME AND THOSE WHO COVERED UP FOR THEM SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. but try to get past your raw emotion for once in your lives, and maybe we can work to get this world to the place that we all think it SHOULD BE.

What kind of man wants sex with an unconscious woman?....

Almost 200.000 foreigners on Iraqi soil above the law, untouchables. They can and will get away with rape and murder. It is un-fucking-believable

Fanon @ 96:

onizero@ 93

Im suggesting that from a purely objectionable point of view; this whole situation can be easily traced back to two(2) factors that allowed this to happen.

Objectionable is right. I guess you were trying to say objective. However, your Freudian slip is showing.

nice argument, I would expect that kind of response in a republican debate. attach the messanger and not the message. NICE

ferd_berfle @ 95:

What kind of man wants sex with an unconscious woman?....

Rape isn't about sex.

The crux of the matter can be traced to the fear and apathy present in the Congress, media,and a high % of the American people who have been traumatized and mesmerized into ambivalence by the newspeak,half truths,doublespeak,and outright lying of this administration and the Congress`s lame response to the corruption and criminality of the Bush gang--I`d be remiss if I did not mention the lax,dishonorable press and the rotten job they`ve done.
At least in my day we stood up to an out of control,criminal president and got him out of office.Well,it`s still my day,and we will be rid of this guy too.What amazes me is that it looks like we`ll have to wait till the end of this scoundrel`s term to oust his cabal.
The fact that the Bush CIA destroyed the video tapes of torture is huge.The fact that there is such a timid outcry is MAMMOUTH.
My Christmas wish is that all these perpetraters in the KBR case are fully prosecuted and justice be served.Barring that outcome, Bush and Cheney should be impeached.

Boot @ 87:

Touche

blockquote>

I touche myself
I want ya to love me
When I feel down
I want you above me

onizero @ 93:

Im not excusing them. and stop putting words in my mouth. of course this is a heinous crime.

There is a moral obligation placed on the good people of the world to be in CONSTANT VIGILANCE of the bad people. That also includes vigilance in protecting ones self. This DOES NOT MEAN that a civilized person should not expect safety in the company of society. It means that one must always be suspitous of ones own situation. PERIOD.

So I should have no expectation of safety ever? And I should constantly be in a state of fear or suspicious of those around me. WOW. I am so sorry. You obviously have taken the wrong pill this morning. That and you start your days with a huge cup of George Bush Terror. Your reality is extremely twisted, I hope you get some help soon.

So who gets to decide who a good person is and who a bad person is? You, George and Dick? Wow, ! am completey blown away, seriously please get some help, and rest assured no one is out to get you.

ysbaddaden @ 105:

Boot @ 87:

Touche

blockquote>

I touche myself
I want ya to love me
When I feel down
I want you above me

Actually the word you want is Touch.

Touché means.......o nevermind

It means that one must always be suspitous of ones own situation. PERIOD.

onizero, I think this statement is precisely the problem folks are having with your line of thought. Of course we need to be aware of our surroundings. Even if we're not in Iraqistan and are only crossing the street we need to make sure we won't get hit by a bus - I don't think anybody's disputing that.

It's the extrapolation from that - perhaps combined with her crime of being employed by KBR - because she's in Iraq (and working for an evil company) and even forgetting the rape, she would be held prisoner and have evidence of the crime destroyed by the company she worked for is just outrageous! Oh yeah, and then she was raped by a bunch of guys who have not been arrested, there's that too.

Hmmm...this is serious. Better offer blanket immunity to Blackwater. Also, we may need to extradite Ms. Jones to Iraq to stand trial for being raped.

no thats only in a theocratic society like suadi arabia where they try the victim for being raped.

Iraq is secular, they'll go after the predators, especially if its given to the local tribal shiek..

@34 Onizero
"I’m not saying she asked for it . . . but she made herself the victim."

Assuming she is rational, this is a direct contradiction. Her rapists made her the victim.

phayce @ 117:

@34 Onizero
"I’m not saying she asked for it . . . but she made herself the victim."

Assuming she is rational, this is a direct contradiction. Her rapists made her the victim.

"She made herself the victim"? So, she raped herself? Intriguing....

Dr. Matt @ 119:

phayce @ 117:

@34 Onizero
"I’m not saying she asked for it . . . but she made herself the victim."

Assuming she is rational, this is a direct contradiction. Her rapists made her the victim.

"She made herself the victim"? So, she raped herself? Intriguing....

The quotation is a contradiction. I am saying it was her rapists who made her the victim.

Onizero, I just hope you don't get locked up...especially if you're in jail for a crime you didn't commit, because while the slow wheel of justice turns to clear you (or maybe until your case comes before Barry Scheck with DNA to free you), you will be subjected to whatever the inmates decide to hand out.

Most of the time, it's gang-rape. So I hope you never have to know what it's like to be a prison bitch, or be gang-raped like Andy Dufrene was in "The Shawshank Redemption". And he didn't get relief until that sadistic guard beat the hell out of the guy raping him (to the point they carried that guy to another prison in a wheelchair and sipping his meals for the rest of his life).

You're a bit too cavalier about how she should have been more careful and shyt. Like no one who walks around in this world aren't cautious or careful. Even at KBR, Jamie Lynn Jones was entitled, as a legal employee, to a work place free of discrimination, sexual harassment and assault. It's THE LAW.

The problem with KBR is because they're connected to Satan's son-in-law (Dick Cheney), they don't acknowledge there is no such law, and therefore, a female employee can get assaulted and realize that the employer who's supposed to protect her rights to a safe work environment, doesn't give a damn about her legal rights or her personal safety.

She is a victim, not by her own choosing, even though she chose to work for KBR. You choose to work whereever you want.

But NO ONE CHOSES TO BE RAPED. That's why RAPE is considered an A-Class Felony Crime, punishable up to 10 years or more, depending on the heiniousness of the rape, especially if it involves children, or resulted in murder.

You can't comment objectively without it sounding like blaming the victim, so stick a sock in it, please?

duncanidho @ 112:

I may be mistaken, but I havent found any coverage in the MSM yet about the fact prior to her applying to the Job in IRaq, she was a victim of sexual harrasment /sexual assault by her supervisor in houston. The supervisor attempted to transfer to Iraq upon hearing she was applying to go there. The initial offense, and origins of unhealthy employement envrinment for this women began in the states.

This act alone should establish that the united states as having jurisdiction on so many levels from criminal to eeo.

It also submits the possibility that the supervisor called ahead and identified this victim as some kind of "super Freak" Jameson.

Perhaps they can change the venue to an Iraqi court where the predators may be summarily executed under shira law???

Nah, execution is way to quick and painless for these scumbags

The Political Junkie @ 123:

Onizero, I just hope you don't get locked up...especially if you're in jail for a crime you didn't commit, because while the slow wheel of justice turns to clear you (or maybe until your case comes before Barry Scheck with DNA to free you), you will be subjected to whatever the inmates decide to hand out.

Most of the time, it's gang-rape. So I hope you never have to know what it's like to be a prison bitch, or be gang-raped like Andy Dufrene was in "The Shawshank Redemption". And he didn't get relief until that sadistic guard beat the hell out of the guy raping him (to the point they carried that guy to another prison in a wheelchair and sipping his meals for the rest of his life).

You're a bit too cavalier about how she should have been more careful and shyt. Like no one who walks around in this world aren't cautious or careful. Even at KBR, Jamie Lynn Jones was entitled, as a legal employee, to a work place free of discrimination, sexual harassment and assault. It's THE LAW.

The problem with KBR is because they're connected to Satan's son-in-law (Dick Cheney), they don't acknowledge there is no such law, and therefore, a female employee can get assaulted and realize that the employer who's supposed to protect her rights to a safe work environment, doesn't give a damn about her legal rights or her personal safety.

She is a victim, not by her own choosing, even though she chose to work for KBR. You choose to work whereever you want.

But NO ONE CHOSES TO BE RAPED. That's why RAPE is considered an A-Class Felony Crime, punishable up to 10 years or more, depending on the heiniousness of the rape, especially if it involves children, or resulted in murder.

You can't comment objectively without it sounding like blaming the victim, so stick a sock in it, please?

well my friend i appreciate your composure. I am sure that I will not be in that situation. I agree with you on all other parts. I will say regardless of what i sound like, i realize that the world is more like south central gangland that many whant to admit it.
always have an allaby, keep your homies close, and yeah if you have something precious don't take it to the streets.
Peace.

It's not just any old illegal war and illegal occupation, it's a LAWLESS one. Bush: Doin' America proud since 2000.

Cheney's Halliburton/KBR strikes again. Will the Big Dick say the assaults against this woman were ordained by God, aka Bush's personal imaginary friend, who told him to invade Iraq?

The gutter-slime of Bush/Cheney never ceases to amaze me.

Fanon @ 80:

DJ @ 67?

you meant 77

Im gald I served (USMC, mid 80's) when I did.....No contractors or 'mercs' to be seen...And I salute this womans courage and bravery...also, Im astounded by some of the comments I've read here. Its GOOD to hear everyones point of veiw.

onizero @ 19:

I sympathize with her cause, and her situation. part of me inside whispers, "what did you think would happen!"

Look, I dont go to south central LA and start walking around at night whistleing showtoons.
even if i was getting payed what must have been a very healthy salary for doing it.

all you spoiled "daddy's girls" out there need to start accepting that YOU, not anyone else, is solely responsible for your own safety.
YOU need to make the right decisions.

still, There is a Huge problem with the cover up. and I wish her the best of luck in her fight.

yeah!!!!!!!!!!!charlie owns the night!

With this criminal administration, crimes are only crimes and injustices only qualify as injustices if they are perpetrated against Bush and company. If It happens to anybody else, it's a non-event. That's the sociopath's way, and this is government by applied sociopathy.

Remind me again how we're better than the Saudi Govt & the Muslim extremists who hold women responsible for their own rape & brutalize them for speaking up about it?

Just so everyone knows. The military was sent in and rescued here from KBR. Our men and women in uniform are for the most part (I know about Haditha and such) honorable and good. These juiced up mercs are just a bunch of ignorant cowboys recruited from countries around the world know for suppressing their own populace

I sincerely hope that a civil lawsuit (the only redress available to her) takes every penny from these pieces of excrement. I would love to see KBR bankrupted and the execs jailed.

Peace

Here's the real skinny about Blackwater and other mercenary companies that supposedly provide "security" to American personnel in Iraq:

One of their employees may rape, murder, deal drugs, steal, commit arson, burglarize, sodomize, commit fraud...any crime whatsoever, and not be held accountable by Iraqi or American laws. That is a simple fact.

Go to the NYT website and search for the terms

kbr rape
halliburton rape

This morning, there were two AP stories. Now there is NOTHING.

So I urge you, go SEND A MESSAGE TO THE NEW YORK TIMES

by running these search terms over and over for the last day the last month, the last 7 days

"assraped by halliburton"
"lost the rape kit"
"woke up bleeding between the legs"
"jamie leigh jones"
kbr gang rape

oh as many as you can think of.

The Fuckwits are still checking their stock portfolios.

The DoJ...hey, war is hell...it's all fog of war...boys will be boys...she should take one(several) for the team.

This is what happens when private defence contractors get their hands on
steroids and HGH...the eyes get big and wide with the goofy smile and the alien sunglasses.
(Hey, look at me!!)

She's right, they were probably thinking about "her future" when they locked her up.

That is some nasty shit.