The Sarkisyan Family Comes Out To Support Edwards
By Nicole Belle Sunday Jan 06, 2008 1:14pm
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The family of Nataline Sarkisyan appeared at a John Edwards rally in Manchester, NH, to speak about the importance of reforming our healthcare system after the senseless death of Nataline due to bureaucratic obstacles placed by her insurance company. Her father, Kirkor Sarkisyan, admits that their political activism was spurred by both a desire to honor the memory of his daughter but to ensure that no other parent experience the loss that he has.
On a related note, Hillary Clinton's spokesperson, Jay Carson dismissed the Sarkisyan family's appearance at the Edwards event by saying that when Clinton refers to people in her speeches, she's actually helped them, not just "stories she’s pulled from the newspaper and included in her stump,” to which Edwards has rightfully questioned whether her campaign has a conscience.
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Cigna calls liver transplants "experimental" when they've been done since 1963. This is the "free markets" the libertarians rave about
I honestly don't think any of these suits are going to change much of anything. Health care? Not with the billion-dollar insurance/pharma/doctor lobbies. Sorry to be such a nay-sayer but it's raining today and the coffee is wearing off.
jr @ 1:
"free" markets...
orwell would be proud. calling a system based on inequality "free". which, further, no shocker, is anything but "free".
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Hillary is going into full panic mode. Given the poll figures I heard this noon, she has reason to be worried, but being mean-spirited is a Republican trait, not a Democratic one.
c. atrox @ 2:
i dont disagree....we are dealing with a system that has been in place since nixon, and will be almost impossible to rework
hope i die before i get old
and to me this is the final indicator of hillary's campaign swansong. she is done and over.
I just finished Glen Greenwalds piece today on campaign press. Edwards has gained more in the polls since 12/29 than any other. The press ignores him because they dont like him. It's hard to try for change when you have to beat the opponent AND the press. No matter what, watch the press bias try to force feed you their favorite. After all their love-in with Bush worked out so well.
Hillary's crying, now this. What's next, sticking out her tongue, stomping her feet, and stuffing her fingers in her ears?
Wow Clinton just can't seem to run a campagin it seems.
Hillary's campaign is sounding increasingly like a desparate, wounded animal that's been backed into a corner... very surprising - I wouldn't have expected this kind of seeming panic and lashing out to be occuring at this stage.
jay carson: open mouth, insert foot.
watch hillary scramble like mad to disavow *this* gem.
The media is still talking about this being a 2 horse race and marginalizing Edwards. The only problem is that it is not working:
Rasmussen Polling Data
Edwards is now up to 23% (up ~7% in one week) meanwhile Clinton has dropped sharply and Obama has held steady.
Yet where is all the talk of Edwards' big gain? Even Kos today relegated Edwards as a second tier candidate while ignoring his significant growth of support and the fact he now sits 2% behind Obama.
moondancer @ 8:
Peach on brother!!!! EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oooops, PREACH ON MOONDANCER!!! Typos kill!!!
Is this an open thread? I only see 5 of the 11 comments haveing anything to do with the story.
RayC @ 16:
we must be reading a different thread. i don't see anything that deviates from the topic, which is based on edwards and clinton's campaigns.
Hillary has hired some people on her campaign who have not done her any favors. The one who mentioned Obama's self described drug use, the one who said he wrote an essay about being president when he was a little kid, and now the one who said this. It's like she hired a bunch of baby Karl Roves. Gigantic mistake on her part.
RayC @ 16:
You got a badge, or some other authority figger symbol?
"...when Clinton refers to people in her speeches, she’s actually helped them..."
Perhaps thats why Big Pharma and the Health Industry have give HRC more cash than any candidate from either party.
Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are all lawyers; two of the three represented people against Establishment interests; the third represented Big Business. Real tough guess who's who.
moondancer @ 8:
it has taken a long time to build up, and it will continue to grow and grow (despite any and all attempts to quash to the new political alignments). i sincerely believe that right/left, progressive/conservative, red/blue differences will soon be eclipsed by a much bigger and far-reaching political split: corporatists/anti-corporatists. (disclaimer: by 'anti-corporatists, i do not mean those that want to see an end to all corporations [although a lot of those people exist], but those that want to see a separation of corporation and state the way we have the separation of church and state)
and edwards, who has hit a real stride, has emerged as an anti-corporate candidate. thus the corporate media has attempted to lessen his impact.
wedge issues--flag burning, gay marriage, illegal immigration, etc.--have all been trotted out and manufactured (not that they aren't real issues) so as to keep the real issue of the day, corporatism versus anti-corporatism, from being an issue open to debate. yet the majority of people know there is a problem and when a candidate like kucinich, or nader, or edwards try to make it an issue, the corporations that control our information shut them down, as much as they can.
I'm a tad queasy about this. The dad is a great asset, including on some of the supposedly irrelevant issues, such as his having accent, but the whole thing could easily be taken as exploitation of a family in pain, especially if you were already primed to dislike "trial lawyers." I found myself watching the clip with two minds: (1) wow, this is cool, because it might help people to understand what Edwards is trying to do and (2) wow, this is sick and could backfire just when he ought to just keep his head down until Clinton implodes.
Edwards has rightfully questioned whether her campaign has a conscience.
This is a woman who voted AGAINST making it illegal to sell cluster bombs to countries that use them on civilians. She seems not to have a conscience, why should her campaign have one?
pissed off patricia @ 19:
some of the top dem strategists are just as crooked, deceitful and conniving as kkkarl rove, or any GOP strategist. and hillary knew this.
But...but...but...Corporate lobbyists are people too!
RayC @ 16:
Who made you the comments police? Oh well, to paraphrase our friend California Dave @14; Peach be with you.
Samson
That's why the 700+ superdelegate votes are so worrisome, too. They belong to every Senator and Congressperson, ex-presidents, and big-wig party memebers, almost ALL of whom are beholden to corporations for funding their campaigns. It's quite possible that those votes could end up determining the Democratic nominee, and it might not be the candidate who won the most delegates in the caucuses/primaries.
UnEasyOne @ 25:
Or so they claim.
The Clinton team should stop this bullshit of shooting their mouths off at Edwards and Obama and save it for if and when they face the Repugs, probably McCain. She should fire each and everyone of those crapheads right now and if she wins the nomination hire them back to fight Rove and the 527's. This nonsense only hurts them all and besides, OxyContin-Boy and the right are already attacking this 'exploitation of a dead child by parents seeking publicity' on their hate-fest shows.
JTM @ 22:
If there were evidence that the guy was paid to show up for Edwards then I might agree, but Edwards was the one who found THEIR story and commented that it's exactly a symptom of negotiating with these Insurance-terrorists. I don't know about you, but if a politician personally vowed to champion MY cause, I'd try and do the same for them
Funny that as soon as Edwards questions whether Hill's campaign "has a conscience", we get the waterworks.
I once knew a very nasty woman who cried when she was so angry she couldn't express her anger in words.
It happens.
anney @ 32:
You knew my dad's mom?
:P
Hillary accuses Edwards of being a phony!
Up next...
Hillary ridicules Obama's laugh!
ShouldBeWorking @ 30:
I wish that I could confidently agree with you, but when has the Rightwing Hate Machine cared about facts and when has the average American ever checked up on the facts?
John Edwards should be our 2008 Democratic Nominee. He will fight for the little guy and this proves it!
yellow dog @ 5:
Uh, Hillary is pretty much a Republican so why are you surprised.
Well of course the facts of whatever matter is being scrutinized don't matter to them. If I'm evaluating how worthwhile a candidate is for me to vote for I don't really give two anythings about what Fox has to say about it. People should vett the facts for themselves before they say things like, "omg this dude is so phony cause Rush said so".
The 'trial lawyer' thing pisses me off, btw. When a class action lawsuit or individual sues these godless sonsabitches who poison our water, air, and soil, who do you think represents the little guy? I'll give you a hint, they're at a trial and anyone who wants to win cases usually hires some sort of legal expert. Just because someone is a lawyer doesn't make them a bad person. Public Defenders are lawyers too, for that matter. Are we gonna shit on Public Defenders and the work they do, representing those that cannot afford private legal counsel?
JTM @ 35:
JTM @ 22, 35
See, you are thinking like a HRC/Obama campaigner now- "How can this tragedy help my candidate? How can it hurt my candidate?"
While Edwards and his campaign are only thinking of: "Can we help Americans and prevent tragedies like this?"
This issue is integral not ONLY to Edwards campaign, but to the kind of person he is- and who he has ALWAYS Been. Edwards doesn't need to stop and check the polls to see if the Sarkisyan family will help him- Sarkisyan came to him, and Edwards responded. These tragedies, as Edwards knows, are happening every day, and have been happening for years now. It is not exploitation to shine a light on a problem that needs to be corrected.
It IS exploitative when some heartless campaigner, with no sense of empathy toward others cannot seem to understand that there are more important things going on in our country than the election.
Single payer health system is the answer.
Republicans want to limit damage awards so Health Insurance companies can deny people care without having to worry about lawsuits. Say no to tort reform, its just another republican con job to help big insurance companies steal your money and provide no benefits.
Bush the Liar @ 40:
I have to laugh (so I don't cry) every time I hear a tort reform advocate talk about getting rid of nuisance suits by capping damage awards. Huh? Nuisance suits by definition are small potatoes. The big damage awards come when doctors etc totaly FOOOOOOOOOOOK UP and wreck someone's life or kill them. The two have nothing to do with each other.
c. atrox @ 2:
well i hate to agree with c. atrox... but nothing gonna happen, Edwards, Obama, clinton are all part of the cabal of jackals that will do very little to change the system. they get to much money from from big pharma and other groups to care.
el matador, the fighting chicken @ 42:
Except Edwards got all his money from those guys by suing the shit out of them.
Sigh @ 43:
The Superdelegates will come around to Edwards when most Americans, progressive and otherwise, wake up to the fact that Edwards is the champion that we have been waiting for, the conscience of the Democratic party who isn't afraid to direct his ire at the heart of the corruption of our democracy, namely Corporate Republicans.
And everytime some troll/bushbot pimps that whole "Trial lawyer" talking point, hit them with the facts= There are Two types of trial lawyers- the ones representing regular Americans and the ones on corporate payrolls. And it's time that we start calling these "Free Market" types on their bullshit-
Who do You support? Big business or Regular Americans? It's far past time, really, to start making these people recognize that Big Business is NOT good for Small American businesses, much less the general American public.
c. atrox @ 2:
Absolutely.
Since we are so insulated in this country from the rest of the world, may I humbly remind folks that we are THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD with private medical insurance.
USA! USA! USA! USA!
Number 1 baby!
americangoy @ 46:
Another reason why many americans head overseas for healthcare ...
Fade @ 45:
blam-o!
and that is the winning formula.
Wake the hell up AMERICA they took his daughter and they want to take your daughter and your sons, after which they will consume their children. They will stop at nothing, you cannot bargain with the these soulless devils anymore than you can depend on aspirin to cure cancer and like a cancer they must be cut off entirely before they sacrifice one more soul on the alter mannon.(wealth personified and worshipped).
I watched the clip from the debate where he brought up the death of this girl. I thought it kind of odd that he was bragging about introducing a bill to change health care as an example of what he's done in his 6 yrs because his example died as a result after his bill was passed. Is Edwards proud that his bill did nothing to help in this case or was his bill partially responsible for the delay in action by the insurance company. Or is he perhaps just pulling a headline out of the headlines to include in his stump.
Yes we all know the American health care system is bad, to even say so is a mute point, why drag this one person into the political arena.
My Question is, since Nataline's parents are backing Edwards, does Edwards have exclusive rights to use this story to further his platform? Can Obama use to explain how he plans on changing the health care system as well? It seems unfair to the other candidates because Edwards already has exclusive story privileges with his father, you know the one who a mine worker.
I liked Edwards until this story... reminded me of the vice presidential debates in 04 where he opened his mouth about Cheney having a gay daughter. I still cringe and I can't even remember what he said.
I like Edwards...
I like Obama...
I really could not be more pleased with both of them...
Can I be the devil's advocate here? Nataline may have indeed been too fragile/non-viable for either the surgery or the immunosuppressive therapy thereafter. I am no fan of the healthcare insurance clusterf#ck but maybe in this case there is more than met the press. I'm just saying for the sake of debate and the fact that none of us are privy to hard facts behind the decisions made; and of course I feel terrible for the family's loss. It seems to me a little tacky(?) too that they're "memorializing" in a political campaign arena. I sure as hell wouldn't be throwing support toward a politician with the memory of any of my loved ones but hell, whatever floats your boat I guess.. Yes, even Jesu.. I mean John Edwards will say or do anything to be elected president.
bilhelm-X @ 52:
Agreed. I think he is gaining popularity in the polls only because some people are having cold feet about electing a woman or black man. If he gets the nomination, he will screw it up.
Bill Clinton is the most brilliant politician of his generation.
Hillary proves that trait is not transferable by sperm injection.
. . . some people are having cold feet about electing a woman or black man. If he gets the nomination, he will screw it up.
Purchase a clue.
The American electorate is still sufficiently brain damaged to put any of the GOP basket cases into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
The only way for the Democratic Party to fuck this up royally is to nominate an African-American male or a Woman.
Preacher Boob @ 54:
very poor on your part to say that ...
bilhelm-X @ 52:
I'm no doctor, nor to I play one on TV, but from what I read, the child's organs were failing while the insurance company dithered over paying for the transplant. Her doctors put her into an induced coma to buy her time while Cigna continued to stall. She may have been too fragile at the end, but who knows what the turnout would have been if she had gotten the transplant when her doctors recommended it. Cigna decided not to even give her a chance.
Hillary has proven by her tears that the myth about women being soft and cannot handle tough situation is true without scientific methods. LOL
Hillary women can do only so much and no wonder G-d entrusted most of the hard work on the men because they have a different biological makeup (I guess neuronical network connection).
No. 34, when Hillary attacks Obama and Edwards from her own party tells you a lot about women's bitchiness. Women are traitors. Period.
Edwards & Obama, remeber that Hillary is a scorpion and she will sting hard. She knows how. Beware!
uh boy... first reaction, instinct: not sure this is a good move...
but it's done... just hope it doesn't come back to bite 'em in the butt...
EDWARDS / OBAMA
OBAMA / EDWARDS
can't go wrong, either way...
jimso @ 53:
edwards wasn't my first choice....
that said, i really hope that you are crazy-wrong on this. i think edward's rise is more due to the fact that he is talking about confronting the corporatocracy, while both obama and clinton want to work within the confines of said corporate-dominated system...
I dunno what the Edwards hate is about...he's basically locked out by the MSM so he's gathering support from anyone and everyone that he's trying to represent. If one will go back and read when the Sarkisyan story broke Edwards was the first politician to comment saying what a tragedy it was and that it's a perfect example of why we cannot negotiate with these behemoth insurance companies. The fact is, they have the power to decide life or death and that's a sick position for this country to be in.
As for the family, they're probably doing what people who've suffered loss of all kinds have done for the last umpteen decades, trying to push the cause so that their loss isn't felt by anyone else. Edwards is trying to champion that cause so they're flocking to him to try and push the agenda of health care reform. Is that so terrible?
EZ @ 58:
i think your neuronical [sic] connection is experiencing an interruption...
bilhelm-X @ 52:
I'm all for being "fair and balanced" and giving the Devil his due, but with medical professionals who were involved in the case saying things like 'It was none of these' in response to Cigna's reasons for denying the procedure and the fact that they did eventually approve it, just too late to do any good, one might just be forgiven for characterizing this one as a case of the bean counters over-riding the medical professionals with lethal consequences.
Edwards is right in what he says. The system is broke, the moneyed interests are not going to let it be fixed without a fight and that fight'll be a tough one. I still haven't decided if he is a hero or a posturing phoney, but in the end, what he says is right. This is gonna take a fight and you aren't hearing that from many others.
I'd rather have had Dodd, but I'll back the guy who calls a fight a fight and claims to be willing to step into it. At least at this point. Certainly over Hillary who become less and less distinguishable from the Republicans every day.
I was really glad to hear Edwards bring up this case. It was the highlight of the debate on Saturday for me. Edwards was exactly right, and he spoke with great passion. I'm sick of the candidates who only want to mandate insurance. The point is to ensure everyone gets health care. The two aren't the same at all.
Sarkisyan is right on here, but I'm still torn up he has to say this at all. They should still have a daughter.
jimso @ 50:
You've got your talking points a little messed up, I'm afraid. The counter to Edwards' Patients' Bill of Rights is that it didn't get passed by both houses and then signed, not that it did pass and then caused this woman's death. linky
Pinhead.
why do we need a patients bill of rights...health care is a human right ... also we should also talk about trying to make people love more healthy lifestyles (eat better, more vegetables, and fruit and whole grains, less sugars and salts...), and more excercise so that they are losing weight. a gym membership might be cheaper with good nutritional planing then waiting for someone to have a heart attack...
Clinton was asked about Obama's rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like like John F. Kennedy and King.
"Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to get it done."
Way to go Hillary, that'll cement your popularity with African-Americans.
ShouldBeWorking @ 63:
If you haven't noticed... on the Edwards threads you have had a whole lot of reichwing trolls pretending to be progressives attacking him with everything from he's a socialist to only racist vote for him.
The Reichwing fears him most of all!
Just heard John Conyers on Thom Hartman. Hartman asked him what policies of Obama attracted him.
His answer floored me (I wish I had the transcript). Its like he didn’t know Obama’s policies, at all. He went on and on about “hope” and “a new way of doing things” and how great it was for a black man to “exceeding expectations.” Not one solid policy description.
Can I scream now? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
Rasputin @ 70:
I know. "Joe in L.A" last night was all over Edwards for being on the CFR.
He even linked to a book about it on the John Birch Society website.
What does that tell you?
Rasputin @ 70:
Thanks. I am a bit slow and I can't keep track of people without faces. I'm quite visual.
I have noticed that a large proportion of the recent, flat-out-false posts are against Edwards, though. Or maybe those are simply the ones that I react to. A week ago, the target seemed to be Obama.
Which reminds me: did you know that Edwards defended Obama's madrassa when it was sued? I kid you not.
Not.
Batocchio @ 66:
Hmmm. You mean like this candidate?
"A notable omission is any sort of mandate for adults: This is a plan that would make universal coverage affordable and feasible, but it is not a plan that create universal coverage. It will undoubtedly cut down on the number of uninsured, but without some sort of individual or government mandate, it won't create 100 percent coverage."
ShouldBeWorking @ 63:
Yeah, I agree. He could have just ignored the whole thing like Bush does. What hurricane? I'll fiddle while the country burns. Edwards is paying attention to Americans. What a concept!
Note to Edwards camp : Does Hilary's camp have a conscience? No.
She is the most power-hungry machiavellian candidate the Dems have.
Rasputin @ 70:
I knew I was missing something...I guess it was naivety :)
Edwards is a phony... Go Obama!!
I'm beginning to lean toward Edwards. His platform has some flaws, but I trust his intentions more than Obinton's.
Johnny2Bad @ 72:
It tells me that Ras is right! It should be expected. the reichers are even quieting down a bit about obama.
Ladies and Gentlemen, please make sure you know what happened in this sad sad case. the child had lukemia and failed bone marrow transplant. Her lukemia has returned with a vengence and she had lapsed into a coma from the liver problems due to the lukemia.
Due to has cancer she was not a candidate for liver transplant. That is why is was "experimental." The donor registery removed her from the transplant list due to her relapse.
I don't know what kind of stunt the parents were trying to pull, but th insurance company didn't harm that child.
But think about it another way...why didn't the doctors nad the hospital go ahead and "save" the child and then wait for the money? The is the actual issue, not that no one was going to pay them.
The hospital and doctors let her die over money...or she was doomed and nothing could be done, so why the fake issue of the transplant that could be done?
sam @ 78:
Do tell. Why would you say Edwards is a phony?
Piren @ 82:
I'm telling you...Don't feed 'em.
Miller Smith @ 81:
Not saying its all the Cigna's fault. The entire system is one big, money-making, profit obsessed cluster f*ck.
We all agree its gotta change.
"Who's plan do you like?" That's the only question now.
EZ Says
No. 34, when Hillary attacks Obama and Edwards from her own party tells you a lot about women’s bitchiness. Women are traitors. Period
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Boy, do you suck. Did sumbudy git his wittle heart broken by a lady. AAWWW.
That said, there are plenty of reasons not to support Hillary (e.g. corporate support, hawkish foreign policy..see Kyle/Lieberman vote, conservative domestic policy...see bankruptcy bill of 05, etc, etc, etc) Leave the sexist BS at home, wuss
Miller Smith @ 81:
It was Cigna that removed her from the list. (Twice, in fact.) Cigna. Got it?
The doctors from UCLA recommended her for liver transplant. Out of a sudden, i see many Americans especially those from the right having more medical knowledge than the doctors from UCLA.
Johnny2Bad @ 83:
You're right. It's kind of like giving peanuts to the monkey at the zoo. You know you're not supposed to.....
Miller Smith @ 81:
Rasputin @ 70:
It distresses me that some (and I realize it's not all) Obama supporters are labeling progressives who are not currently backing Obama, racists. Even though the media wants to pretend he doesn't exist, I'm not ready to give up on Edwards. As Glenn Greenwald reports, Edwards has gained more percentage points during the whole campaign process than anyone and that's without the media acknowledging he exists. The media calls the shots and, unfortunately, most voters seem happy to be led.
And for those whose talking points included that Edwards practically lived in Iowa and had an advantage because of that; the Des Moines Register said that Obama spent more time in Iowa than Edwards did this past year.
hope @ 90:
I'm not backing Obama because he makes great speeches and that's it. No depth at all. I also don't like when he talks about "reaching across the aisle" to Republicans. Fuck those pricks.
Miller Smith @ 81:
Since you and everyone else on this site have not seen the medical records, you cannot say the above has anything more than possibility...the more likely senario is that the chemotherapy, and not the lukemia ,caused her liver failure, thereby making her , in fact, a reasonable candidate for liver transplantation. Thus, the recommendation by the UCLA physicians, who would not recommend a scarce liver for an unsalvagable patient was appropriate, unlike Cigna's denial.
obama / powell. the gop would drop on sight of that ticket.
obama / bloomberg. actually, that could be fun. bloomie throws cool parties.
obamadwards. let us admit that to lead, one must inspire. and even if every idea is not a hit, people are more forgiving. plus, no one in this mix is that much of a nutjob as georgie. (well, maybe dennis)
It's refreshing to see a normal human being speak these days.
Poor guy. It obviously hasn't quite hit him yet. Still in shock. That rambling exasperation... man. I bet grief is really going to kick in for him in about a week or two.
I share his exasperation, though. How damn hard IS it to figure out America? Vote for the guy that has your interests at heart!
What more was this guy supposed to do? What will you do when (not if) this happens to you or your family? Nothing. There won't be anything you CAN do, just like in this case. Even when the medical staff supports you, the insurance company always wins.
The time to act is now. Find a way to support Edwards.
JTM @ 67:
Watch this clip and tell me he's talking about the 2002 bill that failed in the Senate. Just because you get your inforamtion from Wiki doesn't always make you right.
C&L link to Edwards at debate
No you moron (you forced me to revert to name calling) he is talking about a bipartisan bill in probably 2006 that did pass. Why would he lie on national TV with so many idiots out there with Wiki at their fingertips to fact check him.
In Saturday's televised debate from Manchester, Clinton acknowledged that Edwards helped the Senate pass a "patient bill of rights," but she noted that the measure died in the House. "One of the reasons that Nataline may well have died is because there isn't a patient's bill of rights," Clinton said in the debate.
On Sunday, she said her point was that Edwards "answered a question about what his greatest accomplishment was in the Senate by trying to mislead people that a bill he worked on became law."
I don't care if you sling insults. But can we do without absorbing the culture and language of the enemy?
No pinhead!
No dittos, or god for-fucking-bid, "megadittos"!
It's a personal quest, and futile, I admit, but still...
The CORP:., MAIN STREAM MEDIA gave you three people that you will vote for H.Clinton, Obama, Or McCain. So just forget about C.Dodd.and all the others on both sides. So just take what the CORP:., MAIN STREAM MEDIA was generas, enough to give that maney to choose from so just SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN.
I knew I had heard this guy'svoice before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8HxuDcZQsk
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