FNS: Kristol Can't Understand Why Democrats Don't Trust Bush On FISA
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President Bush and the Republicans have been doing their best to scare the pants off the American people by lying through their teeth about the current FISA legislation and the fact-challenged pundits on Fox News Sunday did their best to perpetuate those lies this morning.
The perception they're trying to give is that if the FISA legislation isn't passed, our intelligence community will have to shut down operations and will no longer be able to conduct surveillance on suspected terrorists -- which is absurd. William Kristol is dumbfounded as to why the Democrats don't believe the president and his appointees (who cares that they have been lying to us for years?), when they say we'll all die if this legislation isn't passed. Luckily, Juan Williams steps in with the reality the GOP isn't telling the public - the U.S. government can STILL do surveillance on suspected terrorists without telecom immunity.
Power Panel?
-_-
Do they just make this stuff up in their sleep or does it come directly from the Cheeny/Murdock offices every morning??
Every time Williams speaks the TOTAL IQ on the set goes from ZERO to ONE and then back down...They are the perfect reason that some of the American public is SO STUPID!
FOX is State Sponsored TV and Juan Williams is part of it.
I can't understand why the Republicans don't trust the Constitution on FISA.
There is NO credibility LEFT for Traitors and Criminals.
NONE.
Bush and Cheney
GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL
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I just posted a question on NPR asking why the question of whether or not, if lessened telecom cooperation is the real issue in granting them immunity, the fact that the telecoms pulled the plug, so to speak, because the government didn't pay the bill on time destroys that assertion.
RB-Chicago @ 2:
Pretty Much.
People have forgotten about that meeting Bush had with the Television and Media Executives just before the Iraq War was about to kick off.
Most don't even know it occurred.
I'll tell you why I don't trust the Bush Administration on FISA. The term "terrorist" is a very vague term and the Bush Administration can label anyone, icluding dissidents or political rivals, with it. The Bush Administration has already proved time and time again that they can not be trusted. Why anyone would think of trusting them now is beyond me.
Joe O. @ 8:
Because it makes them feel "Safe"
Why does Juan Williams continue to diminish his reputation by appearing on Fox?
c. atrox @ 10:
Pay the Mortgage
Joe O. @ 8:
and how has "war" become a vague term now? E.g., "War on Terrorism," "War on Drugs,"
"War on Internet Progessive Bloggers?"
I think, at this point, it's more like why AMERICANS can't trust Bush on FISA.
chicano2nd @ 12:
War on our Wallets. Duabi Land needs to be completed.
Juan Williams is a FOX employee. That is his only reputation. He is part of the problem and he is THE reason we stopped giving money to NPR.
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 3:
Maura is WAY WORSE. Did you hear her downplay Obama's energetic speech and then suggest that McCain's response (regarding platitudes) has merit???
A fun game to play during FNS is to see how many seconds it takes for Brit or Kristol to interrupt Juan.
Brit hold the current record at 3 seconds.
fred barnes = ass clown
hows it going to "bite" democrats when all they are trying to do is protect our right to privicy. Big Brother GO HOME!
L.A. Confidential @ 9:
That is more than likely true. They probably do feel "safe" under Bush's increasing dicatorial security blanket. However, I do not view Bush's criminal actions against our civil liberties as a security blanket. I view it as an iron curtain.
Any chance we could get a CAT scan to see if Kristol has a brain and/or a heart?
Joe O. @ 18:
Anyone with any sense of individuality left would feel the same way. I agree.
chicano2nd @ 12:
Agreed. Even that term "war", has taken on many different meanings now. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if say the oil companies come out and say we have to have a "War on dirt". Everyone get your shovels!
L.A. Confidential @ 7:
Clearly, I didn't know it occurred. Please enlighten.
I tried google, but nothing came up.
Study Finance and Economic.
All the pieces to the puzzle will come together.
Coulda stopped the headline after the first three words....
They are scared. They overplayed their hand. Now they can't call the Dems, 'cause when the cards are on the table it will be clear who was bluffing. Their only hope is to bluff even harder and get the Dems to fold. All the Dems have to do is keep "seeing you" every time the bet is raised.
leslie @ 22:
I'll look for it. If "they" haven't already scrubbed it from the records.
Notice the graphic behind Fred Barnes' head makes it look like it is exploding. Love the smell of exploding republican heads in the morning, in a kind, gentle, compassionate way.
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
Here's a start
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/1651173.stm
Hell, I can top that
Democrats don't trust wee willy kristolnacht either.
Additionally, for a guy with pretenses to intellectualism
He's offering us a false dilemma
Which is known as a logical fallacy.
L.A. Confidential @ 28:
I'll look for it. If "they" haven't already scrubbed it from the records.
Here's a start
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/1651173.stm
I mean what else is there to know?
L.A. Confidential @ 23:
I definately agree with you there. I've been studying these issues for some time and when you look at it, everything that is going on now makes perfect sense when these two issues are applied both internationally and domestically.
I reluctantly watched the clip. Now I need a full decontamination workup. Hell of a way to start my Sunday.
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 15:
NPR ran a story about how FAIR researchers had found them to be conservative. A week or so later they reported about some upstart radio network calling it Air America. That was when I quit supporting NPR. I would be happy to support them again when they get their neutrality back again. Which would include buh-bye Juan.
Ed Brayton sums it up nicely:
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/02/mommy_im_scared.php
We are STILL screwed until we repeal the Patriot Act!!
This is smoke and mirrors to make you think that the Constitution is not being violated. It still is.
It's not just Bill it's Fred who doesn't understand either.
And the Democrats just got a wake up call in the form of Donna Edwards . . . we will voted them out if they will not stand up for us and the Constitution.
Juan was actually good here but he should have asked Fed what he thought the Donna Edwards vistory meant.
moniker @ 4:
Srsly.
The usual dems caved for it and would pass if the House did not block it.
They are in negotiations and are using it to get something the House wants.
clytemnestra @ 35:
The Edwards nomination hasn't even registered with the Democratic Establishment. Else there would be no super delegates for Clinton at this point. They think of it as Ned Lamont-lite. It will take a lot more than this to shake 'em up.
L.A. Confidential @ 28:
Thanks. It is a start, indeed.
If you find anything else, send it on.
I'll continue looking as well.
Propagandists, not "pundits." A grammatical usage error.
As demonstrated in Outfoxed and other documentaries, at Fox News, journalism and honesty will literally get you fired.
leslie @ 39:
Thanks. It is a start, indeed.
If you find anything else, send it on.
I'll continue looking as well.
Karl Rove goes to Hollywood should be enough of a clue to answer the question everyone keeps asking . . . .
"What happened to the Main Stream Media?"
http://tomdispatch.com/post/174894/jonathan_schwarz_bill_kristol_s_obscu...
ysbaddaden @ 29:
Agreed. That is exactly what Kristol is offering and nothing more. People like him always offer the public only the two most extreme options when in reality there are many options to choose from. One can see why they do this though. It is meant to raise the fear of the public and by doing so the public will then demand that the Bush Administration get their way.
Give the prez the benefit of the doubt? Isn't that what got us in this mess in the first place?
ltfcrazy @ 44:
Bingo!
Fair and balanced must mean our way or shut up!
The sad story is that almost certainly, these "tough-talking" democrats will fold like a napkin and give Bush the unfettered power he wants, and more importantly, will give the telecoms (among the biggest of big business) what they want, which is protection from legal recourse, and not only on wiretapping.
Who wants to bet that internet filesharing will soon be shown to be a national security issue, or that Net Neutrality will be said to aid the terrorists?
It's not enough that the House Democrats extended a bad bill. They have to roll back the "Protect America" Act. Period.
And any Democrat, senator or congressman, who voted in favor of FISA with immunity, needs to be defeated when it comes time for reelection. I'm sad that includes Webb, the "good" Nelson, and others that have been acceptable on other issues, but this one is a line in the sand for me. I will never, ever, support a Dem that voted in favor of telecom immunity.
If enough people would have said that about the original Iraq War Authorization, we might have seen our service people pulled out of Iraq by now.
Someone should sent Bill Kristol the Children's Book called "The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf." Apparently, he's never heard of it.
send*
ltfcrazy @ 46:
Kristol established, along with conservative John Podhoretz and with financing from Rupert Murdoch, the conservative periodical The Weekly Standard.
Go figure!
Forty-seven representatives attended from most of Hollywood's major studios, including CBS, Sony, Viacom, Dreamworks and MGM.
Mr Rove said the studio chiefs had a lot to offer.
"These people, like every other American, feel strongly about the events of 11 September and the need to see this war through to its victorious conclusion," he said.
Kristol would have trusted Hitler.
King of Kings @ 52:
As long as he was putting money in his pocket.
Joe O. @ 43:
I might also add to my comment that this method is also used very often by dictatorial regimes as it appeals to the lowest of intellect and the most primative of emotions (I.E. fear of being attacked). By doing this all intellectual reasoning and/or arguments are drowned out or shouted down. I think Nazi Germany's Herman Goering had made a similar comment about how useful this method really was in Germany.
King of Kings @ 52:
He should have, AH was probably an uncle.
did anyone else hear what wallace said at the end of this clip?
he said something like, "when it's a question of whether we should listen to al qaeda, the democrats said 'no'."
the democrats never said 'no' to listening to al qaeda! they said 'no' to listening to ALL AMERICANS without a warrant. THAT is what they said 'NO' to.
it's amazing how wallace gets away with saying such blatant lies.
Take a crash course on finance and economics before the cheese doodles and beef stroganoff lite's stop showing up at the shelves and gas hit's $5.00 a gal.
Take it Professor!
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I think the best defense for the Democrats is offense. The Democrats should bring up retroactive immunity for the telecoms as a stand alone bill, and proceed to hold hearings on what government actions induced the telecoms to act as they did. In particular, were any Justice Dept or FCC rulings on unrelated matters influenced by telecom cooperation in the wiretapping?
It seems to me Bush wants retroactive immunity without scrutiny. The Dems should not simply forget about the matter, bu instead, take it up with the scrutiny the Administration doesn't want. In other words, check out the arrangements for corruption.
It will bite them in the fall...
- if they cave in again!
Fox is like a support group for the 29-percenters. Anyone who takes these clowns seriously is too far gone to worry about.
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“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country.”
--- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg
Trials after World War II.
It certainly looks like Goering is right. What Kristol is saying in regards to FISA is exactly what the Bush Administration wants done.
Yeah that fourth amendment makes things so darn difficult.
I say, give Texas and Oklahoma (no offense meant to progressives there) to shrub, the dickster, and the 29-percenters. Let them set up their own religious-fascist country, and let evryone else get along without 'em. I won't miss Houston in the summer or DFW. I might even get a passport so I can go visit their thousand-foot high rendition of the 10 commandments.
you couldfilla whole series of books with the stuff kristol doesn't understand
you could then call the books an "ENCYCLOPEDIA"
shorter story, if kristol said it, it's probably wrong
VietVet8666 @ 64:
I say split the whole damn country up into independent entities and let people prosper or fail of their own freaking devices without the Bushes or the Governments help at this point.
VietVet8666 @ 64:
When you visit, don't forget to go through security, then ride the commuter bus/train and listen to the perpetual message, "If you see something, say something. Together we will all be more secure." And you may have to look at posters with warnings on them about abandoned packages and non-specific dangers that are lurking on every car, bus, train.
Welcome to Amerika.
Ha! Keep this up, Kristol, and you will have a show on Comedy Central.
Kristol wasn't serious, was he? :)
It's not even about Bush. Unchecked power WILL be abused.
The idea that one gives immunity retroactively to violations of the law which are as yet unknown is an abdication of normal governmental responsibility. If you want to confess to something and be forgiven, there might be a reason for that but what if something truly heinous has taken place and we have no recourse?
Good question, Bill. Why don't we trust the guy who built a system to illegal spy on us? What a moron.
ltfcrazy @ 44:
BINGO!
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Their "emboldened".
I.E. their terrorist.
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Kristol is a neocon, most people don't like or respect neocons.
I don't care what he has to say.
Why, oh why, do they allow this insane idiot spew his drivel? Not only in newspapers and news shows, to allow this man to have a voice in anything is insane! I hope we wisen up in 2008. If not, our country is doomed.
HAHAHA-- why not give them "the benefit of the doubt"?
A better question is "why not instantly doubt everything they say?". These people have lied about everything from trivial matters to crucial ones, like war. They can't even tell the truth about what the weather was that day (remember Bush's press guy saying it had been raining when it hadn't, in order to explain Bush's fall?).
These people stopped deserving "the benefit of the doubt" before they even took office. C'mon-- they've been lying and cheating from the very beginning, and it couldn't have been more obvious.
P.D. @ 74: Kristol is paid large amounts of money to spew exactly this sort of partisan, authoritarian drivel.
Hasn't McConnell already been caught lying? Not that this crew would ever admit it...
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Two words.
Valerie Plame.
Why don't the Dems evoke this treasonous outing of a CIA agent to reason why they can't trust the Bush administration?!!
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"The benefit of the doubt". Hahaha- seriously, I'm still laughing at that one. That's rich.
We need a lot more talk and a lot more action to get this country away from these PNAC/War Mongering criminals.
Joe in Cary NC @ 16:
lol I can't watch it. But the fact is, FOX is a Republican front group and so-called Democrats have no business being on the show.
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
Nice.
Fascism is a real hard thing to kick out of your country. I hope we can manage it.
The Kristol Whose Crystal Ball Never Works
TOM ENGELHARDT
BLOG | Posted 02/15/2008 @ 09:41am
As Eric Alterman has written, he's the "journalist" of "perpetual wrongness" (as well as an "apparatchik" of the first order and a "right-wing holy warrior"). And for that, he's perpetually hired or published: Fox News, the Washington Post op-ed page, Time Magazine, and most recently, the New York Times where, in his very first column, he made a goof that had to be corrected at the bottom of column two (and where, with his usual perspicacity when it comes to the future, he predicted an Obama victory in the New Hampshire primary). Liberal websites devote time to listing his many mistakes and mis-predictions. In a roiling mass of neocons, right-wingers, and liberal war hawks, he's certainly been in fierce competition for the title of "wrongest" of all when it came to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. ("Iraq's always been very secular…") I hardly have to spell out the name of He Who Strides Amongst Us, the editor of Rupert Murdoch's Weekly Standard. But, okay, for the one person on the planet who doesn't know -- it's Bill Kristol. The notorious Mr. Kristol, the man whose crystal ball never works.
But isn't it the essence of American punditry that serial mistakes don't matter and no one is ever held to account (as in this primary season) for ridiculous predictions that add up to nothing? As New York Times editorial page editor Andy Rosenthal put it after his paper signed Kristol to a one-year contract, "The idea that The New York Times is giving voice to a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual -- and somehow that's a bad thing… How intolerant is that?"
How intolerant indeed! Since no one in the mainstream is accountable for anything they've written, the management of the Times can exhibit remarkable tolerance for error in its gesture to the neocon right by hiring a man who's essentially never right. His has been a remarkable winning record when it comes to being right(-wing) by doing wrong. Former Saturday Night Live contributor Jonathan Schwarz pays homage to that record in "The Lost Kristol Tapes, What the New York Times Bought."
Read the Rest at thenation website @
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=285542
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The Lost Kristol Tapes
What the New York Times Bought
By Jonathan Schwarz
Imagine that there were a Beatles record only a few people knew existed. And imagine you got the chance to listen to it, and as you did, your excitement grew, note by note. You realized it wasn't merely as good as Rubber Soul, or Revolver, or Sgt. Pepper's. It was much, much better. And now, imagine how badly you'd want to tell other Beatles fans all about it.
That's how I feel for my fellow William Kristol fans. You loved it when Bill said invading Iraq was going to have "terrifically good effects throughout the Middle East"? You have the original recording of him explaining the war would make us "respected around the world" and his classic statement that there's "almost no evidence" of Iraq experiencing Sunni-Shia conflict? Well, I've got something that will blow your mind!
I'm talking about Kristol's two-hour appearance on C-Span's Washington Journal on March 28, 2003, just nine days after the President launched his invasion of Iraq. No one remembers it today. You can't even fish it out of LexisNexis. It's not there. Yet it's a masterpiece, a double album of smarm, horrifying ignorance, and bald-faced deceit. While you've heard him play those instruments before, he never again reached such heights. It's a performance for the history books -- particularly that chapter about how the American Empire collapsed.
At the time Kristol was merely the son of prominent neoconservative Irving Kristol, former chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle (aka "Quayle's brain"), the editor of Rupert Murdoch's Weekly Standard, and a frequent Fox News commentator. He hadn't yet added New York Times columnist to his resumé. Opposite Kristol on the segment was Daniel Ellsberg, famed for leaking the Pentagon Papers in the Vietnam era. Their discussion jumped back and forth across 40 years of U.S.-Iraqi relations, and is easiest to understand if rearranged chronologically.
So, sit back, relax, and let me play a little of it for you.
To start with, Ellsberg made the reasonable point that Iraqis might not view the invading Americans as "liberators," since the U.S. had been instrumental in Saddam Hussein's rise to power: Here's how he put it:
Read the entire and long article @:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/print/174894/Tomgram%253A%2520%2520Jonat...
Why do you post clips from FNS every week? They say the same crap every Sunday.. You could just recycle the same clip over and over again. To listen to Hume and Kristol, the republicans are just invulnerable on national security and no matter how much they lie and screw up, they're going to win big in the next election. They spewed the same nonsense running up to the 2006 election and they were wrong.
Do us all a favor, unless Juan Williams finally gets fed up and punches that grinning idiotic jack O'lantern Kristol, skip the FNS clips.
Joe O. @ 54:
This is a combinantion of Argumentum ad Verecundiam, and Argumentum ad Populum.
That's why the misuse of the term rhetorics honks my cheese off.
Here's something I've noticed: you know when Kristol feels he's been outed as a lying jackass when he grabs his ball point and starts scribbling on a piece of paper. Every time I see someone corner him, he goes through that routine. It became painfully obvious when he was skinned alive on a C-SPAN call-in show, when a military mom called up and took him and other neocons to the woodshed for their lust for war. It seem to hit him hardest when the caller smacked him down because of the smirk (which I'm sure is just an uncomfortable grimace) plastered on his face. I thought he was going to tear a hole in the counter with that pen!
Has anyone else noticed this?
As a side note, I've noticed that other "conservative" blowhards love that pen shit. O'Reilly and Hannity in particular. Must be their desperate attempts to make us think they're scholarly or something. Or it could be a phallic thing, like Limbaugh's cigar-in-mouth routine.
Argumentum ad Baculum was the third one I was trying to remember.
Kristol Meth is deadly and highly addictive among neocons. Symtoms may include doctoring intelligence, launching pre-emptive wars, lying, fearmongering and being wrong on just about everything. Prolonged use causes one to loose grip on reality. When used in high dosages can cause nervous tics and twitching (see David Brooks).
Just say no to Kristol Meth!
Juan Williams goes on this stupid show every week and tries to be a moderate voice of reason, and every week they all shout over him and argue with him about all his liberal(for a republican) ideas. Bill Kristol says some crazy nonsense, and Juan tries to counter with a moderate compromise, every week. And every week he gets laughed of as the token black prospective. They never agree with him, he never gets any respect. Why does he even bother to go on that show?
You are much better on NPR Juan. Do you really need the FOX paycheck so bad that you will repeatedly let them walk all over you and your token ideas?
Bill Kristol needs to read Glen Greenwald's book on Bush, "A Tragic Legacy". Then he's know why we don't trust Bush to do the right thing on FISA. I thought Bush and Company were crazy, but I didn't realize what tools of the neocons these guys really are. Kristol and his fellow neocon journalists, the American Enterprise Institute and its ilk, are cruising to get us into another war with Iran. In the meantime they have dismantled the protections of our civil lilberties. FISA needs to go. So does Kristol and his pals. The New York Times should be ashamed to have this man on staff.
tell billy to pay attention
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/17/late-edition-senator-jack-reed-...
I personally wouldn't trust bush to take a shit properly, or not lie about the size of his smelly turds - and I am no longer a democrat!
Either bush and cheney and the telecoms violated FISA for up to EIGHT MONTHS PRIOR to SEPT 11 2001 and should be prosecuted for high crimes, or they should release ALL the requested documentation so that congress can clear them of these very serious allegations.
You move bushies.
Ex-Canuck @ 94:
boosh would crap out his mouth like Eric Cartman?
Normally I'm against violence but if I was Juan I would gotten up and beat some sense into these ignorant fucks. Or just beat them up on GP. I'm going to go beat my head against the wall now. Crimony..............
I wouldn't trust Bush on a McDonalds driving thru, why would trust him spying on the American people?
"CIA Post 9/11 Program Crumbles." That's one of the leading stories in today's L.A. Times. One of the reason for the "crumble" stated in the article is the outing of Valerie Plame'. Trust Bush my ass!!!!
Too easy!
To answer Bill the Bloody's question, I refer you to the Stones:
LIES
M. Jagger/K. Richards)
Lies, dripping off your mouth like dirt
Lies, lies in every step you walk
Lies, whispered sweetly in my ear
Lies, how do I get out of here?
Why, why you have to be so cruel?
Lies, lies, lies I ain't such a fool!
Lies, lies in my papa's looks
Lies, lies in my history books
Lies, lies like they teach in class
Lies, lies, lies I catch on way too fast
Fire, fire upon your wicked tongue
Lies, lies, lies you're trying to spoil my fun
Lies, lies you dirty jezebel
Why, why, why, why don't you go to hell?
Why, why you think me such a fool?
Lies, lies, lies honey that's ya rules!
Lies, lies, lies, lies, oh my lies, ...
Well, heh heh, It worked for Bob Dole!!!
Here’s something I’ve noticed: you know when Kristol feels he’s been outed as a lying jackass when he grabs his ball point and starts scribbling on a piece of paper. Every time I see someone corner him, he goes through that routine. It became painfully obvious when he was skinned alive on a C-SPAN call-in show, when a military mom called up and took him and other neocons to the woodshed for their lust for war. It seem to hit him hardest when the caller smacked him down because of the smirk (which I’m sure is just an uncomfortable grimace) plastered on his face. I thought he was going to tear a hole in the counter with that pen!
Has anyone else noticed this?
As a side note, I’ve noticed that other “conservative” blowhards love that pen shit. O’Reilly and Hannity in particular. Must be their desperate attempts to make us think they’re scholarly or something. Or it could be a phallic thing, like Limbaugh’s cigar-in-mouth routine.
Well, heh heh, It worked for Bob Dole!!!
Does Fred Barnes want to come down on the side of terrorists and dictators and against to US Constitution that the President so unitarily dismissed ? Or does he care to come down on the side of American democracy and upholding Constitution ?
Fact is if the retro immuntiy is so important to Telecom coperation, Then what good is a warrant and what happens when the President no longer gets the cooperation of the Telecoms?
Case in point, the Telecoms actually shut down some of the spying intel lines because the Gov't didn't get the pay check to the Telecoms in time. So the Telecoms wern't copoperating and the Telecoms were aiding and abetting Al Qaida. Not to mention Telecoms being uncooperative over a late Gov't check.
Matter of fact, exactly how much does the patriotic cooperation of the Telecoms cost the American taxpayers for spying on us? Anyone know????
As far as McCain using this in his campaign. Isn't just speaking about it telling Al Qaida what were doing? Unless GW looks the other way again like he did with 9/11. McCain will have an empty threat like the President.
For the same reason that we DO NOT trust Kristol, THE CORPORATE CONTROLED MEDIA, And BUSH AND HIS CRIME FAMILY you are all LIERS. How simple can you you are LIERS...
It's not the "Terrorist Surveillance Program" it's the "300 Million Innocent Americans Surveillance Program".
This has exactly SHIT to do with hunting terrorists.
If anything, it makes it harder, because rather than finding the needle in the haystack, you're simply adding more hay.
This program is really about intimidating average Americans with Republican power. It's fascism, plain and simple. The merger of corporate and state power. The very DEFINITION of fascism, as characterized by no less than Mussolini himself.
Bush's granddaddy was a Nazi banker, and his grandson is just continuing that tradition on American soil.
It's an insult to every soldier who fought and died in WWII trying to rid Europe of fascism, only to see it established here at home 60 years later.
You gotta admit, no one will ever accuse our boy Kristol of being the sharpest pencil in the jar.
Have scientists identified the conservative "stupid" gene yet. If they did, it could be one of the greatest discoveries of all time. Provided they could treat it of course.
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