Open Thread
By bluegal Tuesday Mar 18, 2008 10:30pm
by Chris Britt at the Springfield (Illinois) Journal-Register. Open thread below...
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Good political cartoon.
I was disappointed not to hear more talk about this historic 5th anniversary of the Iraq invasion, but the consensus on the news seems to be that "the Surge is working" simply because violence is down.
Yet, we can pull our troops out because things are going so well we don't want to loose those gains. And we can't leave when things are bad because "it would look like a retreat".
So "whhat" exactly must the conditions be like to be considered "successful" enough to leave?
Mugsy @ 1:
That should read "can't".
We need an "edit" function.
Well, the Right-Wing's Still Not Satisfied by Obama’s Speech; Rush Demands He Switch from Uncle Jeremiah to Aunt Jemima
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B E S T
C A R T O O N!
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Mugsy @ 1:
face, honor, not looking stupid after the fact even tho most Dems quasi voted for war, oil profits, recalls or impeachments for politicos of both parties if the war is 'lost'.
The list is legion, they think its better to stonewall and pretend its off the table due to ineffable details.
chasing after petty sports stars oj steroids and other 'Britney' events avoids having the Congressional time to pursue the big things.
This whole preacher thing is going to get VERY ugly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA8z39Z8PJY&feature=related
Hillary supporter goes ballistic. (Don't shoot the messenger)
I still don't get it. Why are black people so upset? At least America didn't kill them off like the American Indians. Oh-oh. I think I just established a new talking point for the right-wingers.
Watch BigoTV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llqM94-bYvg
yes one very chilling true and powerful cartoon.
"War critics can no longer credibly argue that we are losing in Iraq,
so now they argue the war costs too much." GWB
Great cartoon.
And, Gee, i wonder...
Jay Severin Has a Small Pen1s @ 7:
He He . Well ,The Spanish did quite well in enslaving BOTH.
Mugsy @ 1:
I have news for you. This war is not over by a long shot.
what this cartoon and the editorials miss is the one thing that causes many in the black community to believe that yes, aids and drugs are being used by the government to eliminate them
the tuskegee experiments
blacks were experimented on in this country, and no one has ever been held liable
L.A. Confidential @ 9:
GWB wrong in all aspects, dumb on everything, rightly earned himself and his regime the title of WORST ever in US history.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 12:
Success is measured by my above comment. It is for oil Always has been for oil And always will be for Oil.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 13:
Add to that the War on Drugs which incarcerates users instead of treating the, mostly in poor black neighborhoods whose entreprenuers are dealing and killing each other in the most basic capitalist program on the planet.
Excellent cartoon.
They forgot Affirmative Action, Historical black college, Special College fund, BET, NAACP, on and on and on, get over it
MyGodBeatsYourGod...Hussein @ 6:
surprise...political talk goes on in every black church
wish i could find the vid of the black preacher calling obama a mack daddy for the obama girl video (someone needs to tell that preacher that obama had nothing to do with the vid) the funniest part of the vid is the obsession the preacher has with the models boobs...cuz i have that obsession too
mack daddy in the white house....with his strong pimp hand he will lead us out of this mess
amen
chris @ 18:
Sure. Wanna trade places with a Black american? C'mon chump-Do Ya?
Iraq is a city of walls and scraped clean by ethnic cleansing. And if the refugees return , Iraq will be a giant killing field. I see no sign of success just a god damned band-aid on a tumor.
I have a racist joke to tell. I learned it one night after a black friend of mine and i got totally shitfaced back in 1978 and told each other all the racist jokes we had ever heard. This is in fact the only one i can remember because that night i purged them from my memory, i was raised in a racist nation and in my youngest days i was, as all my peers, a racist.
"What is white and round and twelve inches long?"
"Nothing!"
And that, my friends (although not entirely acurate) may indeed be what is at the crux (or the crotch) of white racism.
Fox Spooks infiltrate Barracks Web Site.
"So Fox News evidently decided to pore through our millions of user-created pages on My.BarackObama.com and put a screenshot of inflammatory content on the front page of FoxNews.com.
You see, more than 700,000 people have created accounts on the system. You can create one right now if you choose, in about a minute -- anyone can.
Now, from time to time people get up to no good -- creating fake profiles (like one for Sean Hannity created today), or posting profane or inappropriate content. When they do, the community reports the offending content and if it violates our terms of service it is removed (as the Sean Hannity profile was).
My.BarackObama.com has been at the core of our bottom-up organizing strategy. The tools available have been put to work by a community of supporters that is bigger and more powerful than anything presidential politics has ever seen.
Evidently, Fox News didn't think it was a big deal that hundreds of thousands of ordinary Americans are participating in the democratic process creating groups and local events in communities all across the country.
But they did think it was a big deal that one random person on the Internet, without the knowledge of the Obama campaign, posted a profile in the system with the image of the New Black Panther Party on it.
When we were alerted of the existence of this page, we pulled it down. Yet even after we pulled the page, Fox News continues to disingenuously and prominently feature this "story" on their homepage."
I'm going to print this cartoon and hand it to anyone who asks me why the "blacks get so upset and use that kind of language". That question has come my way at least twice a day since Monday and I'm tired of trying to explain it to people who so obviously don't know much about history of society in the US. Maybe this would answer it for them. I don't know why they are even asking the question; it has all been clear to me since I was a high school student in the dark ages.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks
The Onion. Watch it. Religiously.
chris @ 18:
ya....its much better going to howard than yale
you forgot to bend over so i can kick you in your fat white ass
David Hawes @ 20:
I'm waiting.......
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 19:
Just thinking that this could take some of the focus away by the frothy-mouthed talkin' heads on FOX regarding my man Obama and the Reverend Wright. I sat through some serious religion as a child, probably has nothing to do with my strong humanist/atheist views...
L.A. Confidential @ 23:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/19/obama-web-site-still-carries-new...
Good joke X! Glad ta see ya!
David Hawes @ 27:
chris sits in his mom's basement and pretends that he is a powerful white man, as he plays hour after hour of wow
hes still pissed at having to stand at the back of line at mcdonalds
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 13:
The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html
Yes who woundnt want to suffer from a treatable disease for decades then die from it, plus have your wife contract it and children born with it.
Hippocratic oath "alleviate suffering" not prolong it.
Same thing happened with some of the atom bomb tests, soldiers exposed to radiation to become test subjects for study over the decades.
Symtoms of a Republican feudal holdover mindset, morally bankrupt and vile in the light of day.
everybody else is there to be used and abused for their pleasure and cast aside when of no more use.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 13:
I disagree on AIDS being manufactured to kill blacks in this country. AIDS is wiping out Africans. Who is gaining from that?
Uh, waiter? I didn't order any logic in my political cartoons. Please, just...just take it away...
Meanwhile, did anyone hear about Huckabee on Scarborough standing up for the relationship Obama has with Wright? I mean, Huck's far from my favorite guy, and I gotta wonder if his defense comes from stuff he said in HIS sermons he might like to not come back to bite him in the butt. But he made a lot of sense, talking about how even religious leaders can say things in the spirit of the moment they might wish to have phrased differently after the moment has passed...and how very very real racial problems still are in America and that we should at least attempt to empathize and understand the rage some people have over the disparity of whites vs. blacks, or haves vs. have-nots, in the richest country in the world (that's still us, right?). I had heard Huck's church was one of the first, if not the first, in the south to be inclusive to whites and blacks, so Huck's probably seen more racial strife - and tried to do more on a personal level to correct it - than insufferable loads like Robertson or Falwell or Hagee or Swaggart or Reed, past and present leaders, etc etc.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 31:
Yeah,He's up after hours. Mom will be pissed.
As the adage goes, a picture (or, in this case, a cartoon) is worth a thousand words.
There have already been many thousands of words spewed here, I have just a few more for your consideration.
Racism, tribalism, "anti-otherism" has been a human problem since we first appeared on the planet. We're taught early on the be afraid of strangers, those who are different form us in any way. This teaching sticks, because each one of us is insecure in our own way (i.e., not sure we're good enough, if we will fit in, if we will be rejected) so we compensate for these feelings by lashing out and putting down the "others" in our lives to make ourselves feel better. And we do this on many levels - individual, family, community, race, nation, religion, etc.
Until and unless we ALL wise up and realize we are ONE HUMAN RACE all living on this
ONE and ONLY EARTH, we are doomed. This is true now more than ever, as we have cleverly developed weapons that can cause ultimate destruction. So, each individual must carefully consider how their thoughts and actions now and in the future will either contribute to or prevent this from happening.
this may have been addressed, but Rev. Wright and many in this "black liberation theology" movement are simply liars. There is no equaling this with being angry. I can be angry but I don't lie about things because I'm angry.
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Barack Hussein Obama and muslim dancers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnYeAjGo_o
Barack 's muslim dream cabinet members:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74qiirl4-Vk
I couldn't resist the cartoon. It was too apropo.
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/03/where-does-anger-come-from.html#l...
That is old 30s -60's crap except Katrina, blacks should be happy, why? you look at Africa, look at the cars some of them have, the jobs, how many are famous in the USA, etc...stupid.
Go McCain and thanks C&L for making me laugh again!
Great Comic
Bluegal, John, et. al
I've been coming to and commenting on C&L for years now. I love this place, but lately I don't recognize it. Yes I know we have passoniate supporters from both the Obama and Clinton camps and that's as it should be -- but lately the "conversation" has turned.
And it got me to thinking
Is more than just the Democratic open primaries being gamed? Are our blags being gamed too? Republicans playing like they are Democrats and for candidate X and being to say the most outragous things to piss the supporters of candidate X off -- and visa versa
Are they working on dividing and conquering so we get so pisssed off with the other half of our party that bruised and battered feelings keep us from coming together and voting to keep the REAL opposition, one that will moste assuredly take us further down the road to hell, McCain, out of POTUS.
It seems like our blogs are falling with this vitriol, that becomes self supportive after the mischief of the gaming has begun, that seems to have become ever more ramped up since McCain became their nominee . . .
It's just a thought - but wow I don't recognize this place anymore.
chris @ 18:
How...
Selective!
Jay Severin Has a Small Pen1s @ 33:
you are missing the point
sometimes being paranoid is justified
They will never ever relent. Reason will never suffice. And the democrats cant/wont stop them.
They said Cheney is in the Gulf 'fishing'. In 7 years I dont believe he has done that. I think they may be laying the groundwork for a war with Iran - now that they have a puppet in Centcom.
And Bush is ever more belicose.
We are sliding into hell.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 31:
He doesn't have to wait in line, employees eat for free.
Now I can get trolled for taking a shot at working class people.
David Hawes @ 30:
I am glad to see you too, David. :)
I hope this don't turn into an Obama/Clinton pig pile. I got enough o'that.
Let's talk about race. This country is terrified of this conversation.
My hate is better than your hate. My hate is better than your hate. My hate is better than your hate., etc......
If I owned a Mercedes right now, I would be trading it in for a beater. When the financial shit hits the economy fan, there are going to be some very upset people in this country. If you are driving around in a $60,000 car, you might as well paint bullseyes on the door.
slappy magoo @ 34:
and mccain says he will not use wright against obama
hmmmm....hagee anyone?
but he doesnt have to use wright and the church against obama...the echo machine is doing a fine job
chris @ 18:
NAACP is black people organizing for black people, not whitey being nice and doing it for them.
the rest are white sops for a massive guilt trip for centuries of oppression, and to avoid angry mobs getting revenge.
of course the backwards red state white polticians needed firm pressure from the Federal gov to treat everybody as humans with equal rights.
maybe some day they will get there.
My hate sucks more than your hate sucks, My hate sucks more than your hate sucks, My hate sucks more than your hate sucks,
clytemnestra @ 36:
I completely agree with those sentiments. It's been going on at C&L, Kos, and others.
I am not interested in hate. I am interested in talking shit out.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 31:
Yes Chris @ 18 is one Teenygopper that will be late for school tomorrow, and half asleep as usual,
and carrying on the firm Retardian tradition of not learning much.
Oh well, as long as he masters the line "do you want fries with that?" he will be fine and happy
ferrofluid @ 32:
I did a Dailykos diary today on Tuskegee
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/19/105748/585/143/479899
It has a bib in it with a few links, including the CDC time line
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 48:
Well put
I thank My parents for making Me a US citizen. I am the whitest person on this planet. I got no blood in anyone's corner but Europe. That said, I will rejoice in the day when EVERYONE looks upon a Man(or woman) as a man. Not black or white or any other. Just....a Man.
chris @ 18:
Aaaah, affirmative action. The excuse that keeps on giving for incompetent white people statewide!
I guess it is an ope thread so it is OK to feed the troll, right?
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 50:
And that's a refreshing attitude to have. If only the right wingers believed in that philosophy.
I work with lots of company line types that don't believe in talking. Of course that's what they're trained to do but that's besides the point.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 37:
Self-loathing is a bitch . "Sunshine" blames everyone for his own failures, and hangs out and trolls all day. I mean what kind of a low-life fuck does that ? He's probably 5'2", 350 lbs, 3 inches hard. The last time he saw pussy was on his way out his mama.
Cheney is in the Gulf and Iran is shelling Iraq.
http://uk.reuters.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=65383
what did obama's preacher say that wasn't true? it sounded like a fiery sermon, not an uncommon event in many churches i suspect.
Roark77 Hussein @ 49:
trouble with DKos is that its hard to tell the R trolls apart from the 'on message' asknoquestions inline party faithful.
ask the wrong question, point out a few unpalatable truths and they get very upset.
chris @ 18:
Terrible. Just terrible I tell ya. Money going to a college fund for negroes. That money should go to the billionaire bankers. snark
Hillary hasn't done squat
as First Lady.
StirFry @ 57:
Accurate,I'd say.
Tyler Durden @ 55:
The trolls comment on affirmative action always reminds me of the similiar argument about illegal immigrants stealing jobs.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 16:
and of course a useful side effect of incarcerating drug users and turning them into felons is that they cant vote when they get out of prison,
very handy for silencing sections of the US population, and its going on in all poor and deprived areas of the US.
RLF @ 53:
And it is my point.
Hate is based on misinformation. Misinformation is the weapon of those who wish to control us, divide us and conquer us and keep us in our place. Keep us making money for them and keep us on our knees.
Roark77 Hussein @ 64:
W
David Hawes @ 67:
Who is the 'illegal immigrant'? We stole half of Mexico.
MyGodBeatsYourGod...Hussein @ 6:
Here's the Bra 54 Double "D"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 22:
and each and every drug as it became illegal due to white fears of immorality between races, by the drug users.
StirFry @ 57:
Wow how repug. Attack the messenger not the message. Oh, I do agree with you. But real repug.
Smokin!
ferrofluid @ 65:
Exactly, not to mention it discredits any one of them who decides to get politically involved.
ferrofluid @ 65:
and of course a useful side effect of incarcerating drug users and turning them into felons is that they cant vote when they get out of prison,
very handy for silencing sections of the US population, and its going on in all poor and deprived areas of the US.
They may not be able to vote but if the Army ever needs a big batch o' recruits, you better believe that there will be a sky high stack of waivers waiting for them so they can go fill front line vacancies.
David Hawes @ 68:
As that Hispanic bloke said, "we didnt cross the border, the border crossed us"
Greetings all. I see we have a weeny little race troll. Okay everybody grab a limb. Now close your eyes and make a wish. Now pulllll! Okay who gets their wish.
ferrofluid @ 75:
Yup
mitachondral dna tells us we are all related but then genetics is one of those godless science things.
David Hawes @ 68:
...and the other half from native Americans.
I was once told "we did not cross the border, the border crossed us."
Tyler Durden @ 79:
Hah, someone beat me to that quote... :-)
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 66:
And we should not use ignorant hate for our strategies either.
Peter G @ 76:
I can't dismember a racist and get my wish.
My wish is that the dismemberment stops.
Roark77 Hussein @ 64:
I love maddox...
Tyler Durden @ 80:
To know the History of Texas is to know how WE stole every bit of good land and left the people on those lands with zip.
StirFry @ 57:
I think this type of language and dialogue is unacceptable. We need to stop with the partisan bickering and work together to find real solutions to real problems. Let's start right now, black, white, hippie, working American, put out heads & hearts together.
Jay Severin Has a Small Pen1s @ 33:
Go check out the statistics for various diseases and populations, then go look at the history of the eugenics people and what they mutated into.
Then go read up on population growth and limiting factors, then come back and ask again.
Good evening, Miss Kitty.
And for that matter, good evening to all. :)
RLF @ 81:
True, hate shouldn't be a weapon that we use.
However, ridicule is a very valid and effective tool.
Last guys don't finish nice. - Saul Alinsky
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 82:
Okay Xoites. I'll lighten up. Can I hold him in contempt for a while? Just for a little while.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 87:
Good evening to all. Tis a fine night= a beautiful moon.
miss_kitty Hussein @ 83:
I love his old stuff. I've always liked people that can slaughter the sacred cows with wild abandon.
David Hawes @ 90:
A little foggy here but spring cometh. I can't wait to get into the gardens.
racism cannever be stopped. It's how one brings up their children-BUT We can make it unwelcome.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 66:
money and knees, brings back fond memories of a certain Repug getting caught with $20 in his hand and something else in his mouth in Florida.
Peter G @ 89:
I did not, and will never request you to not be angry. Your anger is the best antidote to complacency. You have a sound and strong mind. Your anger is both welcome and needed.
Peter G @ 92:
The Earth rewards those that feed it.
there is no race-only ethnicity.
Roark77 Hussein @ 88:
ridicule should be used like a stick not a club. I'll take only so much abuse before I would take that club and shove it up their ass. I think socratic argument would better phrase it. The difference is subtle but far more effective.
tr @ 97:
or Human and Republican two different species, one a mammal the other reptiliian.
Peter G @ 92:
hey.. Nice and sunny today, Raining like hell tonight. No moon for me...But we've had a good run...saw the eclipse, and we had a moon last night. Gotta get into the garden here myself. I have some summer bulbs to plant and a load of stuff to dig and move.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 95:
In that case, I'll take a drumstick and a thigh, please. (I like dark meat, lol)
;-}
tr @ 97:
I agree, race is a big fucking lie!
ferrofluid @ 99:
C'mon yer bein too kind. RePugs are pond scum
MyGodBeatsYourGod...Hussein @ 6:
Such intolerance thrown from the Rev.
Least we forget that the robes that the Rev. hides behind were the robes once stripped from Christ so as to be gambled away...?
So, who wears those robe now?
.
RLF @ 98:
Wilt's grasshopper methodology, fast and on varied levels, confusing and amusing.
To Me. We all The Human Race.
You guys do understand that the commiecrats have been using you on this whole race issue for you right?
ferrofluid @ 99:
reptiles have better qualities than republicans. republicans are more like a virus.
miss_kitty Hussein @ 100:
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In case you need some company...Hi, Ms.K and all ;-}
David Hawes @ 103:
even pond scum has feelings, and we all evolved from it, Repugs on the other hand evolved from something smellier and stickier.
chris @ 107:
but we enjoy it so
chris @ 107:
Sure Chris. We all dumb a sticks. Please lead US out of our lost land.
David Hawes @ 84:
To know the history of Texas is to know the level of depraved hypocrisy that has been intrinsic to this nation since its very beginnings.
Just because they can rewrite history at will, and make the occasional apologetic flick, a big chunk of Americans think that it makes it all A-OK.
I love how some white folks get the best of both worlds: enjoy the fruits of the society built on stolen land with forced labor, and through collective amnesia they don't have to feel guilty about it.
It is not the ignorance that appalls me, it is the willful suppression of knowledge and proactive rewriting of history that I find utterly disgusting.
Although I am a huge Obama supporter, I have always felt that racism in America, it's dirty little secret, will never ever ever ever allow a black president. I feel the same still. Which is so tragic. Here is a possibility we could have someone who may be smart enough to extricate us from the abyss we are in, and they are determined to destroy Obama. I have always felt America's deepest flaw was its refusal to be criticised and told the truth about anything. Their arrogance is monumental and fatal. I feel the same today and it is our downfall. Charlie Rose had an Iraq anniversary special tonight in which the consensus was that the Americans have fucked things up so completely in Iraq -- they just haven't the faintest idea what they are doing--and the Americans do not hear that because they don't want to hear that.. I love America and it breaks my heart to see us self destruct. Not only are we reviled throughout the world, but even if Obama wins the presidency (our last hope and fantasy) all countries will shun us. We are poison. The dollar will be (is)considered trash. They will manage without our "policeman of the world" myth status.
As Charlie Parker of the New Yorker said on Charlie Rose tonight: We are good for nothing (in Iraq).
Tyler Durden @ 113:
Ditto that brother.
ferrofluid @ 105:
RLF @ 98:
Socratic method and dialectics are great in academia and the classroom but are relatively ineffective in public discourse where soundbytes are the overwhelming standard. It would be nice to change things to make arguments more analytical but it's also unrealistic. That's the problem that Kerry had vs. Bush, Kerry always wanted to use the socratic method and it ended up failing to come across.
I think the left needs to go back to great community organizers like Saul Alinsky to work on their tactics. His Rules for Radicals should be SOP and Alinsky was one of those activists that understood that socratic method was more of a tool of the haves over the have-nots.
Greetings P2b. How goes it?
RLF @ 98:
When trying to communicate with lower life forms, Shakespeare sometimes is not the best approach.
Your mileage may vary... high horses never seemed that fuel efficient in my humble opinion...
Tyler Durden @ 113:
same thing happened in California when it became a US territory.
Hello xiotes,
I see you are dealing wi th what some of us have been dealing all day. Racists and trolls are hard to tell apart. Chris still doesn't have a job and he is the most full of it.
David Hawes @ 112:
I know it's tough to type a few words a minute,Chris. But Jesus Man! Hurry up and give US the word! or shut up.
David Hawes @ 122:
It is past his bed time, but I thought troll school was not in section tomorrow.
Tyler Durden @ 113:
our wonderful school system 'another brick in the wall' ask no questions get no awkward answers system.
ferrofluid @ 120:
Ron @ 121:
Chris skipped school today and is earning his brownie points for the junior Repugs 'special' badge.
David Hawes @ 125:
California was part of Mexico. We got that when We stole the half of Mexico.
chris @ 107:
Commiecrats? How preciously clever. Or cleverly precious. I can't decide which. You sir, are as cunning a stunt as ever there was.
I am waiting for Chris to bring up "Mud People" then he will finally be the man his cult of racists wants him to be.
ferrofluid @ 126:
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
David Hawes @ 130:
Hi Ron! :)
Its been busy. :)
CommieCrats? Jesus, His granpa musta to em tha' un .....Grinnnnnnnnnnnnn
Yeah, hey Ron hey 2. It's a jungle here.
Who was that Black Preacher? I saw the video and it was horrible. What was the reference? What number on the thread?
He is a racist!
"White Trash?"
Fuck him!
miss_kitty Hussein @ 128:
esp as its the Rethieves doing the socialist thing with bailing out the Fed connected banks with taxpayer money,
not very Republican at all, seems a tad marxist to me, could Bushco and the neocons be closet Trotskites !
I double dog dare anyone, who thinks that blacks should get over it, to find two of your black friends (and being the non-racist that you think you are, I’m sure you have scads of them) and go for a ride in your car in broad daylight. Be sure and sit in the back seat and let your black friends drive and ride shotgun. For good measure, unscrew one screw from the back license plate so that it dangles. Then see what happens to your lillie white ass in about 20 minutes. WARNING: Do not accept this challenge in the Deep South.
PS: I’m a liberal white guy and know better than to try this at home.
David Hawes @ 130:
Chris's is already wasted. Don't spend too much time trying to save it.
Tyler Durden @ 119:
Off topic but,
I once witnessed an debate between William F Buckley Jr. and Gore Vidal. The oratory was impassioned and almost poetic. Buckley would thrust his point and Vidal would respond with the zeal of a new lover. so it went hour after hour argument after argument to finally both were spent. I only bring this up to make this point: even though the theatrics were fun to watch the mens grasp of the Oxford english Dictionary was too adept. I barely understood a word they said. I agree an argument can become to 'high brow' but it is nice to here some rational discussions occasionally.
Roket @ 136:
Nope. Point made and Taken. Ain't taken that bet.
If, on this planet there exists White Trash, then I am White Trash!
If on this planet there exists a Nigger, then I am a Nigger!
FUCK RACISM!
Thinking about evolving from pond scum, I decided to put the Creation Museum on my "to-do" list. Though I'm kind of pissed that admission is $19.95. That seems a bit high.
RLF - Did you ever read 'Myra Breckenridge' ?
Roket @ 136:
ferrofluid @ 105:
Chamberlain lernt kung fu from Cassidy to counter Kareem's Jeet Kune Do...
Just avoid Platonic relationships or you'll get it in the ass every time...
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