Stupidity, thy name is America... if we continue to vote Republican.

What is to worry. The Democrats routinely cave to Republicans and they don't have to.

They do it because they are in the BAG.

IT IS ONE BIG BAG JOB.

Ron.j @ 1:

Hypocricy, thy name is republican and democrat.

After one party rule by republicans, democrats shpould not wish it under themselves, either. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. the republicans proved that already.

That's far more useful, fair and balance than what I just said. Mea culpa.

After observing the Republicans decisions for the last 7 yrs. I'll take Democratic one party rule any day. Bring it on.

Mr. Card needs to focus in on the real issue: abuse of national security.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/2003/03/030403.html

I eagerly look forward to Rush Limbaugh's head literally exploding with righteous indignation when President Clinton issues her first signing statement indicating she's ignoring a law just passed by Congress.

"... It’s good and it’s bad. It’s frustrating when it doesn’t happen on the good side fast enough..."

how in the world did we ever get so far apart?
how did the "republicans" ever get so ... so... what IS it???
... delusional seems too simple...

it's so hard to imagine any healing, any "working together"...

I think he's referring to cutting and running, socialist medicine, taxes and regulation.. Which of course would take years to fix...

Talking about one party rule, I don't why the MSM are so silent about the incredible support the Clintons gave to Mugabe when Billwas in office, and tha

What is happening? This site keeps publishing before I am finished and publishes before I hit "Publish"?????
Hillary and Bill supported Mugabe(--for the third time now---)---there are now Chinese and Mugabe troops patrolling the streets and the MSM don't ask Hillary why she was supportive of this dictator? This is an enormous opportunity for the Obama crowd to pick up on. I would like to hear from Hillary why she helped Bill support genocide in Zimbabwe.

Oh, you gotta be kidding!

Kasich

You know, in 2011, I guess is the year in which those taxes go up, I have a friend who, from Cleveland, who says there's gonna be a lot of death and suicide, murders and suicides in that year.

Who's in the audience? Megabazillionaires? You guys are going to start killing people if you have to pay a little more taxes? Could you just stick to the suicides?

The question is, Andy, where are we going on taxes? The whole issue on taxing people over 200,000, playing that game of separating the rich and poor . . .

Yeah, that silly game. Played by those silly advocates for the poor. Ha ha ha. Kasich, you are cordially invited to go fuck yourself.

How do you think that plays in? Where do you think the public is on that? And speak specifically to the outcome of something like a death tax.

Frankly, they know very little, because you guys have to frame it in terms like "death tax."

Card

I don't think the public understands what is happening in the tax world.

Wow! Get out there on that limb, Andy!

I think that a lot of people just presume that that which they know is that which what they will have,

Responding to Beavis' question about what life would be like if all bands were Alice in Chains, Butthead responded, "Then we could roam the Earth, amongst all that which is cool." The hifalutin language didn't make him smart either.

and what they know are relatively low taxes, and you are able to make business plans based on the current law.

Note the change from "they" to "you" in that sentence. "They" are the stupid public, whom "you," the rich businesspeople in the room, have conned into so called low taxes. But the stupid public doesn't know how the law works, so you have to make this an issue in the general election, lest you lose the current law. See, the stupid public is so stupid that they don't even know that the law can change. (That change resounds throughout all three candidates' rhetoric doesn't matter, of course.)

You don't realize that current law says that all of the tax cuts that were passed during the Bush administration, expire in 2010, 2011. And so that means, if there is no action by Congress, taxes go up.

Now that the distinction has already been made between "you" and "they," Card can now condescend to "you" in the room, and convince you he's teaching you something. "You" can't really be buying this, can "you?"

And that's going to have a significantly adverse impact on our economy,

On whose economy? "Our" economy. Those few or whom Bush has brought wealth at the expense of everyone else.

and have a terrible impact on predictability as you try to manage your business.

Oh, no! You mean businesspeople have to keep up with the changing tax laws?!?!?! That's never, ever, ever, ever happened before?!?! Goodness, how did we get here?

So, I plead with Congress to make those tax cuts permanent, so that we can plan our economy

Hey, you representatives, don't go thinking you work for all the people. You work for "our" economy, and we want to plan it without you interfering.

not in a planned economy the way the old Soviets used to do it

My apologies for using a buzz word; trust me I'm one of you, really.

But so that you can make business plans

Switching back to "you." Card has to distance himself a little from them to get them to trust his bona fides again. He's not planning. You are planning.

with an anticipation of what the cost of doing business will be in terms of tax costs.

Did I mention Butthead's use of hifalutin language?

And I also think credit is terribly important to you.

Another risky speculation.

And it's going to be very hard for you to get credit.

You know, in an economy where credit and lending agencies have run amok because we threw out basic, sensible regulations.

But if you have to worry about estate planning in the context of a death-tax repeal, or a death tax reinstatement, it makes a very different decision-making process in terms of your estate planning, and how you allocate resources to address the future needs, whether they are needs after death . . .

Needs after death? You can't take it with you, ass-hat. You guys at least know that, right?

of needs while you're trying to create a business, to leave a legacy for the future. So, I am worried about the tax realities. I think that it has not been part of the political debate the way it will be in the fall.

When we control the spin, and do our typical smear job of Democrats comin' ta get ya!

I don't think that the Democrats are talking about taxes with the reality that those tax increases are gonna come, and there's also something else that's not part of the debate. A president doesn't get to set tax policy.

No, he just has a veto over the whole thing. And an increasingly rubber-stamp Congressional culture. Reagan pulled that shit too at the 1984 Republican Convention. That we're complaining about the deficit, but only Congress can pass a budget. Roaring applause followed from the people who demanded the budget Congress passed at their urging.

A president gets to suggest tax policy. But the tax policy has to originate in the Ways and Means Committee in the House.

Meaning that a Representative has to introduce to that committee what the President wants. Of course, someone on the President's staff can actually author what the Representative "originates."

And so the House elections will be terribly important, and the president's ability to guide the result in the House will be terribly important. But I worry, if we have.......

And now you know the rest of the story. He worries that if the Democrats behave in the way the Republicans did, the Democrats will make life a little worse for megabazillionaires in the way that the Republicans ruined the whole world for everyone else.

From the folks who talk about a permanent Republican majority as a goal.

Hilarious.

Hypocricy, thy name is republican and democrat.

After one party rule by republicans, democrats shpould not wish it under themselves, either. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. the republicans proved that already.

Depends on who is funding their elections, Ron.j. One of the reasons I’m very excited by what’s going on with Obama is that HE DOESN’T FUCKING TAKE MONEY FROM LOBBYISTS. So his “power” will derive from the ordinary folks who funded his campaign.

He will be answerable to us. As, I believe, the Founders actually intended.

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Absolute power still corrupts absolutely. You are just deluding yourself with rationalization.

Ah, the compartmentalized thinking of those who have been made insane by their intellectual dishonesty.

What a complete and utter douchbag.

The GOP's mantra: "Rule or Ruin".

slippy hussein toad @ 9:

Ron.j @ 1:

Hypocricy, thy name is republican and democrat.

After one party rule by republicans, democrats shpould not wish it under themselves, either. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. the republicans proved that already.

Depends on who is funding their elections, Ron.j. One of the reasons I'm very excited by what's going on with Obama is that HE DOESN'T FUCKING TAKE MONEY FROM LOBBYISTS. So his "power" will derive from the ordinary folks who funded his campaign.

He will be answerable to us. As, I believe, the Founders actually intended.

I said that very same thing and L.A. came up with a list of investment banks that it was said, had big money in Barry.

He does have many small donors. I would like to know the absolute truth of that because, as you say, you have to follow the money to get an idea where the facts might be.

To #1 and to the many who don't understand that the Democrats in Congress don't deserve much praise.

When the chips are down, they are slightly better than the Republicans, but I can't be too excited.

Consider the 'mortgage bailout' currently under way. Big money for the lenders, ie the Corporations who through greed, predatory lending and stupidity dug themselves and the country into a huge hole but chump change for the little guys.

Maybe the little guys should have hired an attorney to look over the contract to figure out that they could flame out in year three or four, whatever the fine print said. Bailouts are socialism, and under this flag in a Democratic Congress it is socialism for the well heeled and screw the little guy.

It is not the only example by any means.

The question is not what is the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, but what is the difference between either one and the needs of the vast majority of people in this country.

The difference is wide in both cases.

It is the lesser of two evils, sound familiar.

The nerve of that pissant. Working for the closest we've come to a dictator, people who are trying to destroy the government as we speak to do anything but apologize is ridiculous.

mystic Says

Mugabe has publicly stated that he is inspired by Hillary Clinton because both he and Hillary are “ruthless and willing to destroy everything around them”

Who gives a sh*t what Mugabe has to say besides you.

Although I am suspect of his intentions, I actually agree with Card. Neither party actually represents the majority of American people, therefore, one party shouldn't be in control of everything which is why I hope Obama includes Republicans within his cabinet. If he doesn't, I'm going to be VERY disappointed and start questioning his commitment to "change" in Washington.

Both Democrats and Republicans have their extreme groups and individuals who will refuse to compromise with each other on anything except mutual self-destruction. But there are enough "realistic" people within both parties who can work together towards the common good. Obama needs to take advantage of them sooner than later.

I think there's only two words that sum up his fears...war crimes

Mister Anderson @ 39:

Although I am suspect of his intentions, I actually agree with Card. Neither party actually represents the majority of American people, therefore, one party shouldn't be in control of everything which is why I hope Obama includes Republicans within his cabinet. If he doesn't, I'm going to be VERY disappointed and start questioning his commitment to "change" in Washington.

Both Democrats and Republicans have their extreme groups and individuals who will refuse to compromise with each other on anything except mutual self-destruction. But there are enough "realistic" people within both parties who can work together towards the common good. Obama needs to take advantage of them sooner than later.

The few 'reasonable Republicans' in the Congress were replaced with 'Blue Dog Democrats', who may or may not be that much more reasonable.

My point is this: to hell with the Republicans, most of them are already there, for the one or two that are not, they know the way.

My point to the Democrats is: do the right thing for the vast majority of people in this country, which is not the corporations. They have only a little experience in doing the right thing for the vast majority.

We have had nothing but government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations… and their buddies for far too long.

Do you think they will listen to me?

Mister Anderson @ 39

Although I am suspect of his intentions, I actually agree with Card. Neither party actually represents the majority of American people, therefore, one party shouldn’t be in control of everything which is why I hope Obama includes Republicans within his cabinet. If he doesn’t, I’m going to be VERY disappointed and start questioning his commitment to “change” in Washington.

Both Democrats and Republicans have their extreme groups and individuals who will refuse to compromise with each other on anything except mutual self-destruction. But there are enough “realistic” people within both parties who can work together towards the common good. Obama needs to take advantage of them sooner than later.

I'd really love to see you name these "realistic" Republicans ...........

that pink tie will look real pretty when you're on trial @ the hague, andy.

you know hermann goering mighta walked if they had technicolor in nuremburg..?

I can't wait to see this plucker frog walked down the aisle.

He deserves it heartily.

Not just for hypocrisy, but for sedition.

undo... sorry

I know I'm splitting hairs here, but I cannot help it - perhaps it's the perfectionist in me, I don't know. The transcript of Andy Card's ridiculous monologue had two errors in it (actual quote in brackets): "But I worry, if we have a president that [who] that gets elected with significant momentum and his or her party is sharing the possibility [responsibility] of running Congress with overwhelming majorities that there would be a rush to do stupid things in the first hundred days." Yeah, obviously these are minor errors in the big picture, but for some reason I think we need to be 100% accurate, if only because I think we should hold ourselves to a much higher standard than some other *cough* less reputable websites.

Minor inaccuracies aside, this video excerpt further exposes Andy Card as a completely moronic, hypocritical asshole. Sadly, we're almost at the point where calling Andy Card a completely moronic, hypocritical asshole is actually just a more complicated way of calling Andy Card an "average Republican." As much as I would love to avoid the more typically Republican-style ad hominem attack, sometimes Republicans simply make it impossible to avoid.

As I watched this video, however, I was amazed by two things besides Mr. Card's brazen hypocrisy:

1. The uniquely Republican ability to spew bald-faced hypocrisy with a straight face, which is unparalleled in the annals of human behavior, of course.

2. Exactly what percentage of the population is Mr. Card addressing when he discusses the issues of the estate tax and the taxing of incomes over $200,000. If I recall correctly, the number of U.S. households with an income over $200,000 is at about 3%, right? If this is true, think about just how incredibly small the target audience of Mr. Card's speech is. The man is addressing THREE PERCENT OF OUR POPULATION! One definition of "elitism" is "consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group." Those households making over $200,000 are most assuredly belong to a "select or favored group," wouldn't you say? And just who is sticking up for this persecuted select group? Andy Card, of course. So I don't know about anybody else who posts on this site, but if Andy Card's speech isn't the paragon of elitism, I don't know what the hell is.

Now I can only sit and wonder when Senator Obama or anybody else on the left is going to throw this kind of elitist crap back in the faces of the GOP and expose voters to the true elitism that has an actual - and very negative - impact on their lives?

ok, here's the rub, is andy card a hypocrite for worrying about both houses of congress and the white house being in democrat hands when he relished the same situation when the hands were republican? the answer, obviously is yes.
that doesn't obscure the fact however, that if we had a coligial operating relationship between the parties such as existed before the imperial nixon presidency and subsequent mpeachment, that andy card would be right; it woud be better for checks and balances if not all branches were in one basket.

now, that being said, why is that well nigh an impossible if not an extremly difficult feat today? in short, the utterly poisonous atmosphere between the parties that exists today. it started after the nixon impeachment, was accelerated by newt gingrich, and was firmly cemented into place by bush 43 "the great divider"

still, if andy card the hypocrite is utimately right, i'd still opt for full democrat control at least for one term to prosecute the crimes of this administration in an unfettered manner.

After the raving wingnuts grow weary of trying to paint a Democratic administration as terrists, they will turn to a word that's long been foreign to them: bipartisanship. As in: "Waaahh...wwwhhyy can't Democrats be more bipartisan?!?" and "Bipartisanship is the key to good governance." And if they especially feel like the Democrats are ignoring their goofy demands (e.g. invade more A-rabs, and/or cut taxes again and deficit spend some more), maybe they'll get mad and invoke the "unitary executive" phrase (whilst completely ignoring how that phrase worked itself into the modern lexicon).

That is, assuming the Democrats win. I'd put nothing past the mo-ron voters out there. Maybe they'll decide Obama can't be trusted after he refuses to swig Jim Beam and participate in a rodeo in September. Because if you can't ride a bull, how can you be expected to _steer_ our fine nation?

I'm sorry to say this country is screwed. I don't see the Democrats demanding an investigation into the Bush admin, the run up to the attack on 9/11, the run up to the rush to war and the House and Senate advocating their most important resposabilities to the Executive branch. Bring to trial and prosecute all those involved in the debacle we find ourselves in. All of this is necessary to deter future presidents and their enablers from trying it again in the future. But no it will not happen. The Democrats are spineless except for a few. We are in such a big hole in the middle east that there are no longer any options. And to stay will invite further (very expensive) military adventures. The financial hole we are in may bring us another depression that makes our previous depression look great.

Murray Rizberg Says:@53
Now I can only sit and wonder when Senator Obama or anybody else on the left is going to throw this kind of elitist crap back in the faces of the GOP and expose voters to the true elitism that has an actual - and very negative - impact on their lives?
John Dean in his latest book Broken Government reports about this very thing and at the end of his book quotes a Republican friend of his with advice to every American to "never vote for a Republican,as you cannot trust them."This is a long time Republican

I think that what Card is especially concerned about is the fact that Oversight Committees will begin investigation and prosecution of the war crimes he was involved in.

"Congress with overwhelming majorities (in) a rush to do stupid things"..."Its good and "Bad"..."I actually kind of like having a deliberative process"??

Amazing sh*t all of that.

Ninth inning, two out and Andy Card wakes up and realizes he's at a ball game.

Wow.

Staggering in its stunning hubris and stupidity.

Gregory, and Matthews no longer have any credence in the journalist world; both should be, and hopefully will be out of a job in the near future. Matthews is simply stupid, whereas Gregory is just plain loathsome.

It will take a couple years to undo the damage done by the republicans. Pretty hard to get into to trouble there.

MacDaKnife @ 69:

It will take a couple years to undo the damage done by the republicans. Pretty hard to get into to trouble there.

Just a couple years...more likely two presidents sitting for two terms each at least.

Gosh, I know what Andrews talking about! What if all those Democrats get elected? They might make the grim mistake of capturing Osama Bin laden, ending the crippling Iraq war, keep America safe from terrorists, fortify Social Security, bring jobs back home to America, reverse climate change, enable affordable Health Care for all, propagate inexpensive renewable energy, fight bigotry and poverty, , ensure religious freedom, upgrade our schools and inter structure, and hell they might even hold the Bushies accountable for war atrocities and criminally subverting the Constitution!

Waaaa! I'm crying. Democrats might make us pay our share. They want us to help our nation pay for this war that us rich folk needed to wage sooo badly. They want to give medical care to our vets, no fair.

Andrew Card, be afraid, be very afraid, the Democrats are going to make the rich pay.

willie @ 61:

Once again we see proof that repubes just don't get Hypocrisy even when they are eyeballs deep in it.
note to andy, a dem president would have to work very hard to out do ,and undo for that matter, the damage you were a very intricate part of bringing to this country.

Yes, there is a lot of rubbish to be removed and taken to the tip. Not the time for road blocks and obstruction. Besides how will the new administration get to look under all those rocks if the Congress is sitting on them.

I guess Andrew Card has a bit of a deficiency in his iron(y).

Dear Mr. Card,

My hope is that your party goes the way of the Whigs. We will be fixing the results of your alleged attempts at governance for years to come.

Go fuck yourself.

Regards,

Reasonable American

Stupid mistakes that will take years and years to undo? Yeaaaaaaaaah like Bush hasn't done a whole lot of those kinds of mistakes. FLMAO!

Dave @ 83:

"I eagerly look forward to Rush Limbaugh’s head literally exploding with righteous indignation when President Clinton issues her first signing statement indicating she’s ignoring a law just passed by Congress."

President....Clinton?!??!?!

Earth to bluestatedon: it ain't happenin'.

I dont think HRC would make a good President, but as AG or something similarly attack dog ish,
she could be unleashed on a revenge rampage against the Repugs who annoyed her and Bill in the 90s.
I reckon she would enjoy that.
Thats prob her motivation in wanting to be POTUS, cold vicious revenge on Newt, Starr and co.
If I was them I would be very worried and have plane tickets close to hand.

mystic @ 27:

Mugabe has publicly stated that he is inspired by Hillary Clinton because both he and Hillary are "ruthless and willing to destroy everything around them"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1996650/posts

just wait and see, HRC unleashed either as POTUS or AG, run Repiggies run.

"Death Tax" is a property tax deferred until after you pass away. Republicans are TAX DEFECTORS. Assholes.

Don't forget that Andrew Card went with Alberto Gonzales to the hospital to visit a sedated John Ashcroft. They wanted to circumvent the then-acting Attorney General's objections to illegal draconian searches. This incident should be thrown in Card's face every time he appears in public.

ANDY..... is THAT your card?

yeah... you never know what those fucking tree-hugging democrats might do without the GOP John "The Republican" McCain assholes to obstruct them.....

end a war

universal health care

jobs that pay living wages

more money for schools and public works

clean and open government

facing the big issues

the people's will

civil rights

better world opinion

addressing global warming

no tax welfare for corporations

diplomacy

a balanced budget......

SOMEONE STOP US BEFORE WE TURN THE WHOLE WAR-MONGERING SYSTEM ON ITS HEAD!!!!

Fuck that sorry son of a bitch!

After single-handedly wipomg out the US Merchant Marine, any reasonable Administration would have made him Postmaster at Dutch Harbor, Alaska, where there are limited opportunities to fuck up.

Listening to Andy Card talk is like smelling yourself fart.

You've had it for at least 7 years now. Why change? Only, now, the players will be different. (snark) (Maybe that's the scary part.)

There are few examples this blatant of the reason rich people buy politicians. This is a game of what's mine is mine and what little tiny amount you have should go to pay for our government. The average household income goes down in the last 7 years, unless you break it into two categories, those making more than $200,000 and the pee-ons. Then you see the rich making significantly more money and the rest of us making and keeping much less of our money.

It won't make one damn bit of difference who wins. They will be rich, and in the pocket of many companies. The only difference is a democratically controlled house, senate and oval office will be less obvious about their support for the fattest cats.

Fuck you, Andy.

And to think my alma mater gave him an honorary degree. I was ashamed then and I'm ashamed now.

Mr Card,

Your President said-"It would be alot easier if this were a dictatorsip and he was the dictator, of course".

It was obvious Bush's (your) Adm enjoyed the Senate and House majority and look where it got the GOP? The American People?

Why are there no Americans you care to acknowledge that are in the middle class and poverty?

Isn't it the GOP that in fact make the economic partisanship and divide in this country.
Why do you cal the "Estate Tax" the "Death Tax"??????

Is America just international corporations or the people that actually are the citizens? Because you continue to state that the American people need these tax cuts when in fact your tax cuts are for only the wealthy.

Now the elite have all the power, there is nothing left for them to do but have there way with our children. You will not get my child because I will be taking both of my kid out of this country soon. And will spread the word how stupid Americans are.

Just because you are a elected Democrat does not give you any added protection.

I feel that the people of America are finally starting to wake the heck up and pay attention. Do your job for us or your gone next cycle. No more free rides and backdoor politics...or they better be able to hide them deep.

When our elected officials are being convicted of crimes and subject to special treatment or not even charged at all...WTF, any of us would be sitting in a cell scared to death. Bold faced lies that we have proven with the help of Youtube.com

At 4$ a gallon of gas and their futures at stake people are finally starting to communicate through places like this. It does not matter if you are Republican or Democrat because first we are Americans. It should be a system of the best for the country not the party. I have a strong feeling that we don't really understand how out of step our government is and how far off the course we are as a nation.

Through the medium of the internet we have all entered a new realm of understanding what really is happening in Washington and have started to speak out with our concerns. Both parties should be very active to discuss their views, for gods sake it was on this principle our great country was founded upon. Open mindset must be strove for to be able to agree to disagree on some topics but be able to see benefits of different views. Who benefits from this we all do!

my 2¢