It's amazing how tough it is for some of these racist, bigoted Republicans to restrain themselves from revealing their true colors in what are supposed to be civilized settings. Colorado State Rep. Douglas Bruce was immediately scolded and barred from speaking Monday after he called migrant workers "illiterate peasants" on the floor of the statehouse. Kudos to the fellow lawmakers who were quick and swift with their denunciations.

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Denver Post:

Disparaging remarks aimed at migrant workers got resident House rabble-rouser Douglas Bruce banned from speaking on a temporary-worker bill today.

"We don't need 5,000 more illiterate peasants in the state of Colorado," Bruce, R-Colorado Springs, told the chamber to an audible gasp.

Rep. Kathleen Curry, leading the House at the time, immediately barred Bruce from speaking at the podium, an uncommon maneuver.

"How dare you?" she asked Bruce, before House members moved back to discussion of a bill aimed at helping seasonal farm workers from other countries enter the state legally on a temporary basis.

Scholars&Rogues:

In case you’re unfamiliar with Bruce, he masterminded Colorado’s notorious Amendment 2 debacle and the state’s disastrous “Taxpayer Bill of Rights” (TABOR). He’s been relatively calm of late, having only been involved in three embarrassments this calendar year (until today).

UPDATE: Rep. Bruce responds by digging deeper.



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white supremacist anyone?

He's a mean guy, all right. But the answer to mean comments isn't censorship, it's other comments that show up mean people for what they are. Enforcement of immigration laws isn't mean, it's civilized...and only mean people can make it look otherwise.

White Flour!

Have state legislators always been as stupid, vicious and mean as this and we just didn't know, or is their collective IQ dropping like a stone>

I'm guessing he's not voting for Obama.

From now on, only PhD's will be picking Colorado's crops.

Take note of his use of the word "peasants" Yes, my friends, there is a class war, and Republicans are waging it.

Guy's xenophobic. Not surprising for a Republican. Guy's a state representative in an Evangelical stronghold. Also not surprising. Pity, seems that Torquemada isn't dead after all....

I really wish all these old KKK racist will just die off and leave the rest of us alone in peace.

Jaden @ 9:

I really wish all these old KKK racist will just die off and leave the rest of us alone in peace.

What, so the modern ones can take their place while couching racism with a soft glove instead of a rough boot? It's when I hear stuff like this that I understand the Jim Crow-era black preference for open, as opposed to hidden racism. The old racists at least told you they were. Modern racism is much softer, and therefore more dangerous.

What AMAZES me is that a local TV station, Channel 4 a CBS station, ran a poll today on it's website and 59% said he should keep talking!!

Have we reached the 18th century yet???

Well he could have been a little more 'pc' about it.....but hey, sometimes you have to say, what you have to say. I wouldn't agree with the 'peasants' part. But if you don't speak the language and make no effort to even try....that does make one illiterate to a point.

Robert Lockwood Mills @ 2:

He's a mean guy, all right. But the answer to mean comments isn't censorship, it's other comments that show up mean people for what they are. Enforcement of immigration laws isn't mean, it's civilized...and only mean people can make it look otherwise.

It's not 'censorship.' It's demanding that civil boundaries of discourse be maintained.

Nobody's interferring with this fool's 'right' to spout offensive gibberish. But it's perfectly appropriate to restrict him from doing it on the taxpayer's dime, in a house of governance.

I just read more details about this guy from the links. HE IS SCUM!

One of the commentors at Think Progress, in agreeing with Rep. Bruce, asserted that "Colorado is full."

Colorado is full.

Huh.

Call him "Doug", not Douglas. He hates being called Doug.....

Guess he missed last weeks Economist article on the how the capping of intellectual immigrants means more jobs outsourced to other countries and how the US will be left behind in science and technological fields.

On the plus side though...as far as migrant workers go....Americans picking their own fruits and veggies could reduce obesity.

General_Rennenkampf @ 10:

Jaden @ 9:

I really wish all these old KKK racist will just die off and leave the rest of us alone in peace.

What, so the modern ones can take their place while couching racism with a soft glove instead of a rough boot? It's when I hear stuff like this that I understand the Jim Crow-era black preference for open, as opposed to hidden racism. The old racists at least told you they were. Modern racism is much softer, and therefore more dangerous.

Sheesh, Relax dude...you are over thinking my post. We all understand how our overall current system of Republican slime works. Focus your energy on them, not the people that already agree with you just the same.

“I looked up ‘illiterate’ in the dictionary and it means somebody who is lacking in formal education or is unable to read and write,” he said. “I don’t think these people who are planning to come over here and pick potatoes or peaches are likely to have much of a formal education. I looked up the word ‘peasant.’ The word ‘peasant’ means a person who works in agricultural fields. These people, most of them, don’t speak English. Most of them haven’t had any formal education, that’s why they’re coming over here. I don’t blame them for trying, but I don’t think we should pave the way for more aliens to come here.”

I looked up Jackass in the dictionary "a stupid or foolish person: nitwit"

Colorado State Rep. Douglas Bruce showed his true self
an “ illiterate peasant “ The people of Colorado voted
for this bimbo to represent them. That says alot!!!

If this asshole sees people who work with their hands as "illiterate peasants" what does he seem himself as a Duke or a Baron?

He needs to be removed from office pronto.

Robert Lockwood Mills @ 2:

He's a mean guy, all right. But the answer to mean comments isn't censorship, it's other comments that show up mean people for what they are. Enforcement of immigration laws isn't mean, it's civilized...and only mean people can make it look otherwise.

I don't know, seems like sitting him in the corner with his mouth taped shut is just about right.

Hey,he has nothing to worry about. He's from Colorado Springs, home the two biggest Evangelical megachurches in the country (remember Ted Haggart?), and the largest Military Evangelical College: the Air Force Academy. And they elected a nut as bad as this guy to the Congress in 06.
Colorado Springs, the wingnut center of the universe. So this guy will wear his remarks and his banishment from the well as a badge of honor. Hey, victimized by the peasant-loving Liberals who control the State House.

RB-Chicago @ 11:

What AMAZES me is that a local TV station, Channel 4 a CBS station, ran a poll today on it's website and 59% said he should keep talking!!

Have we reached the 18th century yet???

I say let him keep talking. Let him keep shoveling!

They should have allowed him to speak, because he would have eventually REVEALED that actually he was referring to himself as the "illiterate"!

givemeabreak @ 19:

“I looked up ‘illiterate’ in the dictionary and it means somebody who is lacking in formal education or is unable to read and write,” he said. “I don’t think these people who are planning to come over here and pick potatoes or peaches are likely to have much of a formal education. I looked up the word ‘peasant.’ The word ‘peasant’ means a person who works in agricultural fields. These people, most of them, don’t speak English. Most of them haven’t had any formal education, that’s why they’re coming over here. I don’t blame them for trying, but I don’t think we should pave the way for more aliens to come here.”

I looked up Jackass in the dictionary "a stupid or foolish person: nitwit"

They should all just get back into their spaceships and find another planet to invade!

While this gentleman certainly failed the 'PC speak" test, he was not entirely incorrect. If people who come across are from the peasantry in the countries below our southern border they would by definition be peasants. (Yes, even in this day and time there are still many people throughout the world who are very, very poor.) And if they can't speak, read or write English they would by our standards be illiterate. While what the guy said sounds really bad, I don't believe it warranted stopping him from saying it. Surely the other legislators could consider the source (you did say he was a republican; right?) and continue on with an intelligent conversation and thoughtful discussion after this man spoke about the 800lb gorilla.

I lived in rural Colorado for 18 months. Don't be surprised to learn that some of this guy's constituents agree with what he said.

That's the reality of where our country is at on the issue of immigration. If we want it to get better then all sides, no matter how distasteful need to be heard from.

Rich

My. Simply charming.

With the price of food rising the way it is, can you imagine what an average meal would cost WITHOUT the benefit of cheap, foreign labor?? Crikey!

Racism has to be denounced and stood up to and stomped and crushed wherever and whenever it may rear its ugly head.

Love that woman. May the US have millions like her.

I belive the caption under his picture says: "HB-1325 Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program"

Hmm..now why do think such a matter is being discussed?

Aren't there enough literate non-peasant types to do the work? Oh yeah, I guess not.

Racism and ignorance go hand in hand.

How many of us would have been fired for this kind o behavior,yet Rethugs get away with far worse.
I read a diary on Kos today where the topic was torture, and the consensus of the legal authorities say no member of the Bush gang will even be indicted much less punished for their crimes.
I want to go on record that I prefer they all go to the Slam,the Iron Hotel, and not be allowed to speak in public ever again; or in cyber-talk-STFU while I ROFLMAO.But this is not to be so I must either weep or forget about it.The first rule of grief club is ....

Sluggirl @ 29:

With the price of food rising the way it is, can you imagine what an average meal would cost WITHOUT the benefit of cheap, foreign labor?? Crikey!

Food prices are going up; becuase, the food distributors decided to charge more money and make more profit. These things happen when global markets are deregulated. Globalism is all about starving the masses while concentrating power into the hands of a few. Globalism is worse than communism.

Rich @ 27:

If people who come across are from the peasantry in the countries below our southern border they would by definition be peasants.

By definition, "peasant" is a word created and used by people who feel themselves superior to other people.

chuck @ 33:

Sluggirl @ 29:

With the price of food rising the way it is, can you imagine what an average meal would cost WITHOUT the benefit of cheap, foreign labor?? Crikey!

Food prices are going up; becuase, the food distributors decided to charge more money and make more profit. These things happen when global markets are deregulated. Globalism is all about starving the masses while concentrating power into the hands of a few. Globalism is worse than communism.

Well, yeah, and because the government is encouraging production of crops for biofuels, meaning more is being grown but less is used for food, and because the government pays farmers to NOT grow wheat to keep prices abnormally high, and because government subsidies make it more profitable to grow certain less edible crops (and to grow for feed to animals instead of food for humans)... AND THERE'S EVEN MORE!!!

Read THE OMNIVORE'S DILEMMA or FAST FOOD NATION. Eat locally, eat vegetarian/vegan, and don't buy into the hype.

And his party called Obama elitist? Wow. Just... wow.

Douglas Bruce - obviously he knows nothing of his own family history.

As a descendant of lowland Scots, he comes from a long line of people who, for hundreds of years, were considered uncouth, haggis-eating, "illiterate peasants" by the British.

So what's wrong with being an illiterate peasant?

That's what gripes me most about this event.

Granted, the Colorado ReThug was using it as a pejorative, but (sheesh!) America was built by illiterate peasants, when you get right down to the reality.

The very fact that the phrase "illiterate peasant" CAN be used as a pejorative is more damning of American society itself than the ReThug's use of the phrase.

Power To Us Peasants!!

(including the few Literate Peasants among us!)

Sluggirl @ 29:

With the price of food rising the way it is, can you imagine what an average meal would cost WITHOUT the benefit of cheap, foreign labor?? Crikey!

The latest price increases in your food is not because of the high cost of labor. It's not the high cost of fuel either. It's mostly the corporatist fascism in our political system.

The problem with what he said is that they are stereotypes and over-broad generalities. To simply say ALL 5,000 of the workers would be illiterate peasants will always be 100% false no matter how you slice it it.

To assert something that on its face can never be true is the racist part of what he said.

To use flat out stereotypes as part of your rational for opposing a bill is jaw dropping in itself.

We got a long ways to go to perfect labor and work issues in this country. But this guy and his attitude is the biggest problem we have.

Sluggirl @ 36:

CNN has a story from a UN food expert regarding the food crisis and the role of "biofuels"

Japan’s Hunger Becomes a Dire Warning for Other Nations

Mariko Watanabe admits she could have chosen a better time to take up baking. This week, when the Tokyo housewife visited her local Ito-Yokado supermarket to buy butter to make a cake, she found the shelves bare.

“I went to another supermarket, and then another, and there was no butter at those either. Everywhere I went there were notices saying Japan has run out of butter. I couldn’t believe it - this is the first time in my life I’ve wanted to try baking cakes and I can’t get any butter,” said the frustrated cook.

Japan’s acute butter shortage, which has confounded bakeries, restaurants and now families across the country, is the latest unforeseen result of the global agricultural commodities crisis.

A sharp increase in the cost of imported cattle feed and a decline in milk imports, both of which are typically provided in large part by Australia, have prevented dairy farmers from keeping pace with demand.

While soaring food prices have triggered rioting among the starving millions of the third world, in wealthy Japan they have forced a pampered population to contemplate the shocking possibility of a long-term - perhaps permanent - reduction in the quality and quantity of its food.

A 130% rise in the global cost of wheat in the past year, caused partly by surging demand from China and India and a huge injection of speculative funds into wheat futures, has forced the Government to hit flour millers with three rounds of stiff mark-ups. The latest - a 30% increase this month - has given rise to speculation that Japan, which relies on imports for 90% of its annual wheat consumption, is no longer on the brink of a food crisis, but has fallen off the cliff....

yeah .. Japan ..

Rich @ 27:

While this gentleman certainly failed the 'PC speak" test, he was not entirely incorrect. If people who come across are from the peasantry in the countries below our southern border they would by definition be peasants. (Yes, even in this day and time there are still many people throughout the world who are very, very poor.) And if they can't speak, read or write English they would by our standards be illiterate. While what the guy said sounds really bad, I don't believe it warranted stopping him from saying it. Surely the other legislators could consider the source (you did say he was a republican; right?) and continue on with an intelligent conversation and thoughtful discussion after this man spoke about the 800lb gorilla.

I lived in rural Colorado for 18 months. Don't be surprised to learn that some of this guy's constituents agree with what he said.

That's the reality of where our country is at on the issue of immigration. If we want it to get better then all sides, no matter how distasteful need to be heard from.

Rich

It's just offensive to hear those people being pigeonholed in such a dismissive and rancorous way. He meant to be offensive and managed it beautifully.

Even his explanation he provided later when he looked up the exact terms he used was just stupid. Let's just say for the sake of argument that "illiterate peasants" is a fair and accurate phrase and is acceptable in civil conversation. The point is that even HE had to look up the two words in order to defend himself. In other words, he meant to put these migrant workers in their place and didn't care what the real definition of his phrasing was. In my view and apparently in the view of a good many legislators in that room, one of whom took away his microphone, the first intent was to be abrasive and mean.

Hah. Listen to me: "He's a big meanie!"

Anyway...

I've lived in Colorado for 27 years. The guy's a classless knob.

But the other poster who mentioned his constituency is right. Colorado Springs isn't exactly Diversity Central. They like 'em white, Republican and Christian over yonder. He's probably getting thank-you cards by the bucketful....

Soaring food prices (commodities trading) is the direct result of greed.

I live in this man's district in Colorado Springs. He was basically promoted up. Previous to this, he was a county commissioner and they wanted him out, so they filled a seat by a vacancy appointment. Now we have to deal with his crap on a statewide level.. Woo effing hoo.

L.A. Confidential @ 46:

Soaring food prices (commodities trading) is the direct result of greed.

Wheat prices, for example, have run up 74% in the past year.

Still not as bad as what Barbara Bush said of NOLA- but its up there.

L.A. Confidential @ 48:

L.A. Confidential @ 46:

Soaring food prices (commodities trading) is the direct result of greed.

Wheat prices, for example, have run up 74% in the past year.

It is purely a result of massive speculation by the global investor class who drive the market and determine prices in this sickest of all economic systems.

Rich @ 27:

While this gentleman certainly failed the 'PC speak" test, he was not entirely incorrect. If people who come across are from the peasantry in the countries below our southern border they would by definition be peasants. (Yes, even in this day and time there are still many people throughout the world who are very, very poor.) And if they can't speak, read or write English they would by our standards be illiterate. While what the guy said sounds really bad, I don't believe it warranted stopping him from saying it. Surely the other legislators could consider the source (you did say he was a republican; right?) and continue on with an intelligent conversation and thoughtful discussion after this man spoke about the 800lb gorilla.

Why don't you take a trip to Iowa farm country and start calling the farmers "peasants". See how well you will be received.

I love how he's defending his comments.

His constituents who work in the agricultural industry should keep asking him in public whether they are "peasants", and if so, can they assume he does not want them in Colorado. And if so, then who will feed his over-privileged, fat, white ass when the peasants have left?

Douglas Bruce needs to look up this definition.

Whatever his reasons, I do agree that a bill should not have been passed honoring military personnel. With just a little bit of intellectual effort, Americans, and especially liberals, should realize that U.S. troops should not be "honored" for occupying and suppressing the Iraqi and Afghani people. Americans, perhaps more than any other [alleged] democratic country on earth, love to needlessly throw around words like heroes, honor, sacrifice without ever actually bothering to examine what these words mean. If one agrees that the Iraq and Afghan occupation is immoral, senseless and criminal, then it makes absolutely no sense at all to claim that the actions of U.S. soldiers somehow merit the definition of the word heroic. Those military personnel did not die for some just cause; on the contrary, they died for a lost cause and in vain.

A better word , I think, to describe what an American soldier has been through is the word lament, which is defined as meaning sorrow or regret. American soldiers who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan should be mourned because they have died, not because they were [allegedly] dying for our freedoms but because they died and suffered for the lies [just as I did in a place called Vietnam] that they were told by their government. One wonders if those family members of slain American soldiers are gullible or are they willing to be deceived in order to justify the deaths of their loved ones. It is just astonishing that so many family members are not outraged by the government or the military when their husband or father comes back in a coffin and they meekly accept the American flag by some spit shined captain at his or her funeral.

It is long past the point that relatives of those who have returned from the Middle East in a harmful way realize that they have been conned and that they should realize that their emotions have been manipulated in order to justify the deaths of their loved ones. It is also long overdue for Americans to stop over using words such as honor and heroic, since there is nothing honorable in having taken part in being part of a military that beats down doors of Iraqis and Afghanis and indiscriminately shoots them at checkpoints and tortures them at places like Abu Ghraib. What Rep. Bruce and his colleagues should be doing is sponsoring a bill to bring those troops home, not the way Obama wishes, in a phased withdrawal, but in an immediate and orderly way, in order to prevent more needless deaths and suffering. That would be the best way to honor the troops.

Guess I'll mark CO off of my list of places to visit.

Ironically it is those "illiterate peasants" who pick the hops that goes in the beer that Joseph Coors brews and redneck Coloradans drink like water.

I'm glad Bruce is around; he makes all angry, white, aging Republicans look bad, which, by the way ain't too hard to do!

Douglas Bruce: "Mr. President, the peasants are revolting"

Smirk: "They are, big time, and they smell bad, too"

The GOP will not be happy until we are all illiterate pezants

i'd rather have a state full of illiterate peasants than ugly old rotface elitist prick overlord softbody stinkbags like him. but hey. maybe just a personal preference.

Jeannie See @ 55:

Guess I'll mark CO off of my list of places to visit.

Now, now, Jeannie, we just gave the Statehouse to the Dems, elected a Dem governor, a Dem mayor of Denver and are about to elect a second Dem senator, Udall, this Fall.
Sure we've got our Bruces, Tancredos, Musgraves and Lambourns to appease to wingnuts but, overall, a nice place to visit. Just don't consider Colorado for your "second home".

And he gets elected to office every election.
What does that say about people in his district?!
Just another view of US as a whole.
Too many people blaming everyone else but themselves.
Unfortunately, I am not any better since I don't do enough.

his words are pure idiocy...but the bill is disgusting

another pro corporatist bill to bring in workers for jobs so that corporate farmers can pay below minimum wage

enuf is enuf

and goddamn it...stop calling them immigrants

this bill is set up so that they are supposed to go back to mexico

so its allowing another peoples to be taken advantage of, while making sure that the farm workers union has no pull

maybe he just doesn't want the administration visiting Colorado to campaign for McCain

chuck @ 26:

givemeabreak @ 19:

“I looked up ‘illiterate’ in the dictionary and it means somebody who is lacking in formal education or is unable to read and write,” he said. “I don’t think these people who are planning to come over here and pick potatoes or peaches are likely to have much of a formal education. I looked up the word ‘peasant.’ The word ‘peasant’ means a person who works in agricultural fields. These people, most of them, don’t speak English. Most of them haven’t had any formal education, that’s why they’re coming over here. I don’t blame them for trying, but I don’t think we should pave the way for more aliens to come here.”

I looked up Jackass in the dictionary "a stupid or foolish person: nitwit"

They should all just get back into their spaceships and find another planet to invade!

eat more chicken !

Rich @ 27:

While this gentleman certainly failed the 'PC speak" test, he was not entirely incorrect. If people who come across are from the peasantry in the countries below our southern border they would by definition be peasants. (Yes, even in this day and time there are still many people throughout the world who are very, very poor.) And if they can't speak, read or write English they would by our standards be illiterate. While what the guy said sounds really bad, I don't believe it warranted stopping him from saying it. Surely the other legislators could consider the source (you did say he was a republican; right?) and continue on with an intelligent conversation and thoughtful discussion after this man spoke about the 800lb gorilla.

I lived in rural Colorado for 18 months. Don't be surprised to learn that some of this guy's constituents agree with what he said.

That's the reality of where our country is at on the issue of immigration. If we want it to get better then all sides, no matter how distasteful need to be heard from.

Rich

Spend a little time googling Bruce. He's been in plenty of trouble recently for bizarre and inexcusable behavior. Even the other Republicans in the Colorado House may be fed up with him.

It goes without saying that lots of people agree with him and not just in rural Colorado. As is often the case, the most important thing is not the words alone, but the words plus the speaker plus the intent.

I can't say that I'm shocked, this is typical of Bruce. This guy is the worst kind of opportunist and there are many like him in the Colorado State Government. His ilk have one mantra - "Government sucks and I'm here to prove it!" Since 2000 when Gov. Owens took office, the Colorado middle class has watched our infrastructure deteriorate, government services run dry, and taxes rise. Bruce was the voice behind TABOR, which has strangled the state's budget. As a CO state employee, I have tightened my belt significantly to get through the past few years. The agency I work for has told everyone there that promotions are no longer available, regardless of the amount and quality of work that is completed. Our budget has been held to the same dollar amount (no adjustments for inflation) since the mid-nineties. We've all tightened our belts and it will never be enough to please people like Bruce. His presence in the government is a joke and everyone (except his constituents it seems) knows this.
My question to Bruce is, "Who's going to do the work on the CO farms if no migrant workers are allowed to come to CO?" Also, "Why does the agricultural industry rely on migrant workers so heavily in the first place?" Maye his plan is to keep stepping on the middle class who legally reside in CO until there are enough "illiterate peasants" who won't mind doing back breaking work for less than minimum wage...

assholes like Colorado State Rep. Douglas Bruce should be more than
censured, they should be removed from office for like. we don't need
any more bigoted racists running our governments at any level.

".Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still fucking peasents as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill.."

Dr. Winston O'Boogie

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 62:

his words are pure idiocy...

enuf is enuf

and goddamn it...stop calling them immigrants

this bill is set up so that they are supposed to go back to mexico

so its allowing another peoples to be taken advantage of, while making sure that the farm workers union has no pull

Yeah!! What HE said!

Hmm...aside from charging for days he did not work, I don't see a problem with this guy. Maybe the photographer NEEDED kicking, and I don't know when the military has done anything lately that particularly needs honoring. I have no idea what his tax policy was or its real affect on voters, I don't pretend to be from his constituency.

Since when is the term "illiterate peasants" a racial slur? We have plenty of illiterate peasants in Appalachia who are white. We have plenty on the Indian reservations. We have plenty in El barrio. My girlfriend's village in Ireland has a few. I don't think the term "peasant" adheres to ANY color line. People are wayyyy too sensitive...especially when the truth hurts just a bit too much.

I don't have this idiot's e-mail, but maybe some one does. If there is some one out there with his e-mail, please forward this to him: I'm a Mexican and can spell ASSHOLE.

Erroll @ 54:

Whatever his reasons, I do agree that a bill should not have been passed honoring military personnel. With just a little bit of intellectual effort, Americans, and especially liberals, should realize that U.S. troops should not be "honored" for occupying and suppressing the Iraqi and Afghani people. Americans, perhaps more than any other [alleged] democratic country on earth, love to needlessly throw around words like heroes, honor, sacrifice without ever actually bothering to examine what these words mean. If one agrees that the Iraq and Afghan occupation is immoral, senseless and criminal, then it makes absolutely no sense at all to claim that the actions of U.S. soldiers somehow merit the definition of the word heroic. Those military personnel did not die for some just cause; on the contrary, they died for a lost cause and in vain.

A better word , I think, to describe what an American soldier has been through is the word lament, which is defined as meaning sorrow or regret. American soldiers who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan should be mourned because they have died, not because they were [allegedly] dying for our freedoms but because they died and suffered for the lies [just as I did in a place called Vietnam] that they were told by their government. One wonders if those family members of slain American soldiers are gullible or are they willing to be deceived in order to justify the deaths of their loved ones. It is just astonishing that so many family members are not outraged by the government or the military when their husband or father comes back in a coffin and they meekly accept the American flag by some spit shined captain at his or her funeral.

It is long past the point that relatives of those who have returned from the Middle East in a harmful way realize that they have been conned and that they should realize that their emotions have been manipulated in order to justify the deaths of their loved ones. It is also long overdue for Americans to stop over using words such as honor and heroic, since there is nothing honorable in having taken part in being part of a military that beats down doors of Iraqis and Afghanis and indiscriminately shoots them at checkpoints and tortures them at places like Abu Ghraib. What Rep. Bruce and his colleagues should be doing is sponsoring a bill to bring those troops home, not the way Obama wishes, in a phased withdrawal, but in an immediate and orderly way, in order to prevent more needless deaths and suffering. That would be the best way to honor the troops.

Well said. i have nothing to add. Well said indeed.

Kudos to the fellow lawmakers who were quick and swift with their denunciations.

Not only were they quick, but they were swift as well? WOW!
You guys do a great job, and I'm with you all the way, politically, but sometimes you could use an editor.

uh...WHO'S the illiterate??

What a piece of shit. Fuck him.

Drop him an email here:
http://www.douglasbruce.com/

Cycle3man @ 20:

Colorado State Rep. Douglas Bruce showed his true self
an “ illiterate peasant “ The people of Colorado voted
for this bimbo to represent them. That says alot!!!

No, he was appointed by his fellow El Paso County Republicans to replace a Republican Representative. Not all of the people in Colorado are idiots.

This whole article is factually misleading.

1. Bruce is a cranky crack pot, extrapolating his comments to all Republicans is totally without merit. He's well outside most Republicans tolerance level.

2. TABOR was not "disastrous" and C&L should not be adding such editorialization. Heaven fucking forbid both Republicans and Democrats from robbing taxpayers blind year after year without explicit approval. It was not disastrous for anyone but lobbyists and the pet projects of lawmakers.

35 Sluggirl Says: chuck @ 33:

Sluggirl @ 29:

With the price of food rising the way it is, can you imagine what an average meal would cost WITHOUT the benefit of cheap, foreign labor?? Crikey!

Food prices are going up; becuase, the food distributors decided to charge more money and make more profit. These things happen when global markets are deregulated. Globalism is all about starving the masses while concentrating power into the hands of a few. Globalism is worse than communism.

Well, yeah, and because the government is encouraging production of crops for biofuels, meaning more is being grown but less is used for food, and because the government pays farmers to NOT grow wheat to keep prices abnormally high, and because government subsidies make it more profitable to grow certain less edible crops (and to grow for feed to animals instead of food for humans)… AND THERE’S EVEN MORE!!!
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You know, I said, when bu$h got back from Brazil and was fired up about bio-fuels, I knew there must be something inherently wrong with bringing this to the USA (or even, bio-fuels as seen by the neocons, in general). Guess what... If the neocons are involved, revolt.

And chuck I think globalism isn't exactly what we've been told: not for us PEASANTS anyway.

Let the class war continue (GOP mantra?)

Rusty Shackleford the Pretentious Chatboard Elitist @ 6:

From now on, only PhD's will be picking Colorado's crops.

with the way my lovely state of Colorado supports higher education (thanks to TABOR), our grad students have to support them selves somehow....

nomoreclintonorbush @ 78:

This whole article is factually misleading.

2. TABOR was not "disastrous"

You don't live in Colorado, or you would realize how poor our roads are and how much education at ALL levels has been cut.

my wife is mexican, she is also a spanish teacher at our local high school.

some of her worst students are hispanic who can not read or write spanish, let alone english

yes, they are illiterate, that's just a fact.

This is what represents their party today...bigots and ignorant bastards. It might even be true, as gunner states above. I was a teacher for 30 years, and I had a lot of Mexican immigrants in my classes. True, some had a really difficult time, moving from place to place, and living with two languages in their lives.

But to say such a stupid remark to a governmental body is shear ignorance.

Wag @ 81:

nomoreclintonorbush @ 78:

This whole article is factually misleading.

2. TABOR was not "disastrous"

You don't live in Colorado, or you would realize how poor our roads are and how much education at ALL levels has been cut.

I do live in Colorado. The state has reasonable sales and income tax. Counties have very healthy mill levies for property taxes, and sales tax. Cities also have healthy sales taxes. If they can't survive on that, then something else is not right and the amount of taxation or spending is not the problem. Second, by will of voters TABOR can be amended, taxes can be increased, spending can be increased. Fact is most of the time most Coloradoans vote against more taxes and spending. That's the will of those who vote.

This is hardly a disaster

Representative democracy in action.

gunner @ 82:

my wife is mexican, she is also a spanish teacher at our local high school.

some of her worst students are hispanic who can not read or write spanish, let alone english

yes, they are illiterate, that's just a fact.

All of them? Now, now. I'm also a teacher, of English and Spanish. Many of my best students are Hispanic. I educate them in both languages, and they will turn out much more literate than most non-reading, non-thinking Americans. Granted, I've had some that fit your description, but that is not their fault. You can't blame them for ignorance, but you can provide educational opportunities. I imagine that Mr. Bruce has had plenty of opportunities, which is why I can't understand why he's such a pompous ass.

Y'know, I am completely on the opposite side of this guy on the subject of immigration, but i have to say, I agree that his use of the words "illiterate peasants" shouldn't be the offensive part here. Is anyone going to try to make the case that migrant farm workers *aren't* illiterate peasants? The whole point is, the fact that they ARE illiterate peasants should NOT, in and of itself, earn them different treatment or status from US citizens, just as it shouldn't for illiterate peasants who ARE American citizens.

The most annoying generalizable flaw of liberals is our tendency to get hung up on words.

What a fuggin' azhole, let him eat cake, urinal cake.

This is so vile I am nearly at a loss for words. Nearly, but not entirely.

Colorado State Representative Douglas Bruce makes his first mistake in lumping every single immigrant worker as being "illiterate". Just how does he know this? Just how is he so certain than not one of those guest workers can read or write? His bigotry is plain to see: if they are not fluent in ENGLISH then they are, by his definition and his definition only, illiterate. But does he know this to be true? I'm willing to bet a round on the house that out of 5,000 workers at least one of them can read and write English sufficiently to pass even his test.

Well, maybe not. "peasants" just sort of sums it all up, doesn't it? In this cretin's eyes just being from out of the country and desiring to come here and work makes you a "peasant". In my understanding that term is used to describe the division between the privileged and the landed and the esquired, from the commoner. Pure class division in the most despicable manner imaginable.

Indeed, we see who are the true elitists now, don't we? It's the Republicans, PEASANT!

Get that fascist soccer mom out of the Chair position!
Thank you Bruce, for attempting to defend your state's economy and the people
willing to put up living there year round!

He belongs to the TIWM clug. Terrified Ignorant White Men.
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Sorry, hate to agree with this guy, but many immigrants from Mexico do have a peasant mentality and they instill in their kids a "take it or leave it" attitude toward education, hence our huge drop out rate. They treat pets horribly and could care less about our laws. We need to set the bar higher for immigration like Canada does. No one accuses them of being racist.

This country is still alive...there are brains that still function.
It's hard to believe but it's true.

Just how is he so certain than not one of those guest workers can read or write?

Can you be more ridiculous? I think not. Yes, they are illiterate or they would have sense enough to charge more for their labor. The idea that he was silenced for stating a fact points to the fact that the chairwomen should be immediately dismissed from her duties. As obnoxious as this repuke is we do not need government sanctioned censorship.

And for all of you in here who think that infiltrating our country yet again for slave labor and this includes the Mexican posters in here as well. Then you are no worse than the slave traders of 400 years ago.
First we brought Africans here to be slaves. After that fell apart we opened Ellis Island to bring in the next work force of slaves. Once that dried up we opened the southern border continue the American tradition of building a nation on slave labor. Wake up libs. If you are for low wage illegal immigration then you are promoting slavery.

His choice of words may be unfortunate but they ring true.

How many educated businessmen/women die crossing the Arizona desert to find work?

What we need is a reformulation of NAFTA and thats not going to happen. It has to do with the educated business
people on both sides of the border.

Emma Hussein Goldman @ 86:

gunner @ 82:

my wife is mexican, she is also a spanish teacher at our local high school.

some of her worst students are hispanic who can not read or write spanish, let alone english

yes, they are illiterate, that's just a fact.

All of them? Now, now. I'm also a teacher, of English and Spanish. Many of my best students are Hispanic. I educate them in both languages, and they will turn out much more literate than most non-reading, non-thinking Americans. Granted, I've had some that fit your description, but that is not their fault. You can't blame them for ignorance, but you can provide educational opportunities. I imagine that Mr. Bruce has had plenty of opportunities, which is why I can't understand why he's such a pompous ass.

I've never been so offended and angry after watching a clip on this website. I hope he loses his reelection- that's the nicest thing I can say right now.

Hi Emma

i am not saying they are bad students, but the fact is if they can't read in there native language then they are illiterate, not is not a put down that is just a baisc fact.

and they are the one's who argue the most with my wife about spanish they don't realize that spanish is not mexican.

and the fact remains that if they can't read or write spanish then they are illiterate just like the white trash in this county who can't speak or write in english

Hulk @ 83:

This is what represents their party today...bigots and ignorant bastards. It might even be true, as gunner states above. I was a teacher for 30 years, and I had a lot of Mexican immigrants in my classes. True, some had a really difficult time, moving from place to place, and living with two languages in their lives.

But to say such a stupid remark to a governmental body is shear ignorance.

Hi Hulk

this has nothing to do with party lines.

the fact is that these kids come from a country where education takes a back seat. especally as far the females are concerned.

most of the girls of hispanic background that my wife teaches have parents that do not think women need an education, so we keep turning out illiterate kids generation after generation.

that may be normal where they come from but not in our country

i just went back and read a lot of the comments posted on this topic and what dismays me the most is that my fellow liberals are so afraid of the truth.

yes you can disagree with Rep Bruce, but he did not say anything that was untrue.

i am proud to be a gun owning liberal redneck hippie that looks at things in reality and not some 60's bullshit transendental gibberish.

as a second generation californian i will state that there are to many people comming into my state. and i don't want them here.

we have 38, 000,000 people in California and that is 30,000,000 to many i don't don't care if they are from Vermont or Valpariso.

and i certinaly don't need illiterate's cause we already have enough here from Alabama & Arkansas

gunner: Social responsibility and responsible welfare is one thing. You are teetering on xenophobia. Let's solve the issue instead of just spouting.

Sluggirl @ 29:

With the price of food rising the way it is, can you imagine what an average meal would cost WITHOUT the benefit of cheap, foreign labor?? Crikey!

Amen to that! Cheap "foreign" labor will certainly help the U.S. working class. Oh my, "Crikey", indeed!

fuck this scumbag, and any of his inhuman uneducated vile ilk, to hell.

You know, I shouldn't even be commenting here because it's surprising how many so-called liberals agree with that scumbag in spirit. To all those who do: Congratulations! You are now a worse caricature than that bigoted asshole.

gunner @ 101:

and i certinaly don't need illiterate's cause we already have enough here from Alabama & Arkansas

I'm counting at least ten grammatical errors in that last 'sentence' alone. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that...

I'm from the UK, but i've spent time in California - and believe me there's plenty of room.

J.

That says nothing good about the people who elected him.

This whole episode came up because of a bill being considered to bring in agricultural workers legally. Now, if there is government oversight in bringing the workers in they might actually have to be paid a fair wage and treated like humans. Bruce is demonizing legal immigration to ensure that there is a steady supply of illegal immigrants who will work for substandard wages and will have to work under the constant threat of retaliation--he's doing just what big business Republicans want him to do.

And as for "moderate" Republican lawmakers--they love this sh*t--people like Bruce make them look reasonable, so that when a "compromise" is reached between Republicans and Democrats, it's still skews to the right.

This moron is a typical rich, uncaring, Reslug asshole.

DemBones @ 102:

gunner: Social responsibility and responsible welfare is one thing. You are teetering on xenophobia. Let's solve the issue instead of just spouting.

well shame on me

JPsy @ 106:

gunner @ 101:

and i certinaly don't need illiterate's cause we already have enough here from Alabama & Arkansas

I'm counting at least ten grammatical errors in that last 'sentence' alone. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that...

I'm from the UK, but i've spent time in California - and believe me there's plenty of room.

J.

sorry my english friend there is not plenty of room

Now it's been a few years since I was there, but last I checked California contains gigantic tracts of land with absolutely nothing on them - how is there no room?

As far as Bruce's comments go, I think what we're actually seeing here is "fear of swarthy grandchildren". Middle-aged men who can't stand the idea of their daughters bringing back an Antonio or Miguel and having sex with them. All this crap is down to fear of loss of preeminence or prestige and no longer being "the daddy" - macho BS. Well it happens to all of us, and one day the population of the Earth (if we're still around) will be coffee-coluored whether you like it or not, and it's a day I wish could be alive to see, just to watch the bigots' heads explode.

J.

JerryO @ 12:

Well he could have been a little more 'pc' about it.....but hey, sometimes you have to say, what you have to say. I wouldn't agree with the 'peasants' part. But if you don't speak the language and make no effort to even try....that does make one illiterate to a point.

Moron, the bill is about guest workers, coming here temporarily to work and then returning home. So, why on earth should they speak English? Xenophobe. And since when is speaking any language besides English considered illiterate? God, we're a nation of hillbillies. The guy is a Klansman, pure and simple.

gunner @ 101:

i just went back and read a lot of the comments posted on this topic and what dismays me the most is that my fellow liberals are so afraid of the truth.

yes you can disagree with Rep Bruce, but he did not say anything that was untrue.

i am proud to be a gun owning liberal redneck hippie that looks at things in reality and not some 60's bullshit transendental gibberish.

as a second generation californian i will state that there are to many people comming into my state. and i don't want them here.

we have 38, 000,000 people in California and that is 30,000,000 to many i don't don't care if they are from Vermont or Valpariso.

and i certinaly don't need illiterate's cause we already have enough here from Alabama & Arkansas

Illiterate's [sic]? Are you in the second grade? Cause [sic] you write like you are. Transendental [sic]? What the f#$k do you think that means?

I haven't had enough coffee this morning to deal with this kind of crap.

JPsy @ 113:

Now it's been a few years since I was there, but last I checked California contains gigantic tracts of land with absolutely nothing on them - how is there no room?

As far as Bruce's comments go, I think what we're actually seeing here is "fear of swarthy grandchildren". Middle-aged men who can't stand the idea of their daughters bringing back an Antonio or Miguel and having sex with them. All this crap is down to fear of loss of preeminence or prestige and no longer being "the daddy" - macho BS. Well it happens to all of us, and one day the population of the Earth (if we're still around) will be coffee-coluored whether you like it or not, and it's a day I wish could be alive to see, just to watch the bigots' heads explode.

J.

j

your right there are large tracts of land in California the problem is that the more people that move here the more land gets paved over and built on.

and we cannot sustain the growth rate and not have it damage our already fragile infastructre.

johnnypunchclock @ 115:

gunner @ 101:

i just went back and read a lot of the comments posted on this topic and what dismays me the most is that my fellow liberals are so afraid of the truth.

yes you can disagree with Rep Bruce, but he did not say anything that was untrue.

i am proud to be a gun owning liberal redneck hippie that looks at things in reality and not some 60's bullshit transendental gibberish.

as a second generation californian i will state that there are to many people comming into my state. and i don't want them here.

we have 38, 000,000 people in California and that is 30,000,000 to many i don't don't care if they are from Vermont or Valpariso.

and i certinaly don't need illiterate's cause we already have enough here from Alabama & Arkansas

Illiterate's [sic]? Are you in the second grade? Cause [sic] you write like you are. Transendental [sic]? What the f#$k do you think that means?

I haven't had enough coffee this morning to deal with this kind of crap.

johnnypunchclock

i am one of the illiterate's that Rep Bruce is talking about.

sorry about you not having enough coffee. maybe a shot of Jack would get you going.

by the way does your coffee come from co-ops or Starbucks

johnnypunchclock @ 115:

gunner @ 101:

i just went back and read a lot of the comments posted on this topic and what dismays me the most is that my fellow liberals are so afraid of the truth.

yes you can disagree with Rep Bruce, but he did not say anything that was untrue.

i am proud to be a gun owning liberal redneck hippie that looks at things in reality and not some 60's bullshit transendental gibberish.

as a second generation californian i will state that there are to many people comming into my state. and i don't want them here.

we have 38, 000,000 people in California and that is 30,000,000 to many i don't don't care if they are from Vermont or Valpariso.

and i certinaly don't need illiterate's cause we already have enough here from Alabama & Arkansas

Illiterate's [sic]? Are you in the second grade? Cause [sic] you write like you are. Transendental [sic]? What the f#$k do you think that means?

I haven't had enough coffee this morning to deal with this kind of crap.

Orwell wrote often about how language shapes how we view the world, and how the powers that be like to shape language towards their overall agenda. When one cannot even use basic langauge to express onesself, it's over folks.

Given that most "guest workers" cannot read, they are illiterate. Period. Given that they come from a country that is basically feudal in nature with a group of some of the most wealthy on the planet lording over a desperately poor populace, they are peasants as per the definition of the word.

peas·ant Audio Help /ˈpɛzənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pez-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a member of a class of persons, as in Europe, Asia, and Latin America, who are small farmers or farm laborers of low social rank.
2. a coarse, unsophisticated, boorish, uneducated person of little financial means.
–adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of peasants or their traditions, way of life, crafts, etc.
4. of or designating a style of clothing modeled on the folk costumes of Western cultures, esp. women's full-sleeved, round-necked blouses and long, full skirts.

This whole flooding of America with largely illiterate immigrants serves both to dumb down the American populace, gouge the middle class and bankrupt the country. By the way, increasingly these guest workers are afforded rights and priviledges not given to native Americans, ie free health care, education, they aren't ticketed for traffic violations nor do they require auto insurance or registration as a few examples.

FYI, the estimated 30 million illegal immigrants in America today are rapidly overwhelming the ability of local civic and state governments to provide services.

On the plus side, after the ecomony collapses this fall, we will all be peasants. We will all live in a completely corrupt and brutal police state third world environment complete with concentration camps. If you thought the illiterate peasant comment was uncomfortable, wait until you see what your loving government has in store for you.

There is political correctness and common sense, denial and stating the truth to power. It is hard not to think that the editors of this site actually want to see America destroyed. You are cutting your children's throats by not examining this issue in more depth and clinging to political correctness. Political correctness was first developed in the USSR, which is increasingly what America resembles.

Robert Lockwood Mills @ 2:

He's a mean guy, all right. But the answer to mean comments isn't censorship, it's other comments that show up mean people for what they are. Enforcement of immigration laws isn't mean, it's civilized...and only mean people can make it look otherwise.

I am in agreement with you.

Wingnut @ 118:

FYI, the estimated 30 million illegal immigrants in America today...

Did 18 million people cross the border yesterday? Because that's how far off your "estimate" is.

Oh, and Rep. Bruce was talking about a LEGAL migrant worker program, not "illegal immigrants."

David @ 118:

johnnypunchclock @ 115:

gunner @ 101:

i just went back and read a lot of the comments posted on this topic and what dismays me the most is that my fellow liberals are so afraid of the truth.

yes you can disagree with Rep Bruce, but he did not say anything that was untrue.

i am proud to be a gun owning liberal redneck hippie that looks at things in reality and not some 60's bullshit transendental gibberish.

as a second generation californian i will state that there are to many people comming into my state. and i don't want them here.

we have 38, 000,000 people in California and that is 30,000,000 to many i don't don't care if they are from Vermont or Valpariso.

and i certinaly don't need illiterate's cause we already have enough here from Alabama & Arkansas

Illiterate's [sic]? Are you in the second grade? Cause [sic] you write like you are. Transendental [sic]? What the f#$k do you think that means?

I haven't had enough coffee this morning to deal with this kind of crap.

Orwell wrote often about how language shapes how we view the world, and how the powers that be like to shape language towards their overall agenda. When one cannot even use basic langauge to express onesself, it's over folks.

Given that most "guest workers" cannot read, they are illiterate. Period. Given that they come from a country that is basically feudal in nature with a group of some of the most wealthy on the planet lording over a desperately poor populace, they are peasants as per the definition of the word.

peas·ant Audio Help /ˈpɛzənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pez-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a member of a class of persons, as in Europe, Asia, and Latin America, who are small farmers or farm laborers of low social rank.
2. a coarse, unsophisticated, boorish, uneducated person of little financial means.
–adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of peasants or their traditions, way of life, crafts, etc.
4. of or designating a style of clothing modeled on the folk costumes of Western cultures, esp. women's full-sleeved, round-necked blouses and long, full skirts.

This whole flooding of America with largely illiterate immigrants serves both to dumb down the American populace, gouge the middle class and bankrupt the country. By the way, increasingly these guest workers are afforded rights and priviledges not given to native Americans, ie free health care, education, they aren't ticketed for traffic violations nor do they require auto insurance or registration as a few examples.

FYI, the estimated 30 million illegal immigrants in America today are rapidly overwhelming the ability of local civic and state governments to provide services.

On the plus side, after the ecomony collapses this fall, we will all be peasants. We will all live in a completely corrupt and brutal police state third world environment complete with concentration camps. If you thought the illiterate peasant comment was uncomfortable, wait until you see what your loving government has in store for you.

There is political correctness and common sense, denial and stating the truth to power. It is hard not to think that the editors of this site actually want to see America destroyed. You are cutting your children's throats by not examining this issue in more depth and clinging to political correctness. Political correctness was first developed in the USSR, which is increasingly what America resembles.

Well done Rep. Kathleen Curry!!! Major kudos.
This is why we need more female voices (of the sensible type - no Coulters or Schlessingers),voices that are sensitive to insults and stop them instead of the weight of the old guard that we get on TV - those who think that they should get away with ignorant and insulting comments. It was so refreshing to hear her take control and to not let him away with it. For far too long we've had the likes of O'Reilly, all the Fox hate mongers, Dobbs, Scarborough, Blitzer, Carlson, Deutsch etc. acting like bullies in a school yard, talking tough and finding a vulnerable victim to terrorize. Their badmouthing goes on everyday (especially FOX, Dobbs and Deutsch). How do we stop the polluting of America with their racist talk? My kids grow up with what they see on TV and it has a powerful influence. they think that's the way to become rich and famous.

“illiterate peasants”, "ILLEGAL ALIENS", same difference. Get the ILLEGAL ALIENS out of this Country and we wouldn't have any more “illiterate peasants”...sometimes the truth hurts.

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