Is Joe Biden the VP choice?
By John Amato Sunday Aug 17, 2008 6:30pmWell, I was against Kaine, Bayh, Hagel and Nunn. I haven't thought too much about Biden yet. He a pretty smart guy, but doesn't help Obama win in any area of the country so what's the point? Duncan is cool on him, but not really bothered. I'm hoping he picks someone that will uplift the convention. Why is he waiting so long? I can dream, can't I?
What are your thoughts?
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Wesley Clark? Seems the obvious choice...
Hillary?
Richardson? Great choice. Kaine? Great choice. Biden? Great choice.
I prefer the order listed, myself, and think Biden should be the Secretary of State, where his experience would be better utilized.
it is clark. only him makes sense to me right now. the Obama campain has not bought any ads there.... Clark will make Arkansas in play....and win it .
Biden's not a bad pick--though you're right--he doesn't give any geographical advantage. But even better than being old--he LOOKS old. That'll help. He's smart and sounds it. And he will be a willing and effective political attack dog.
I don't think he can go wrong, really, unless he chooses Lieberman or someone like that.
Why not Biden? I like him. Yes he puts his foot in his mouth at times, but he is a straight shooter, and not a cookie cutter politician. Few of the people on the short list could match Biden as an attack dog for Obama. Biden is a catholic and born in PA so he does help in battle ground states.
He is in every way a progressive candidate and he brings political knowledge and foreign policy experience.
Obama/Picard 08
If he can defeat The Borg, he should be able to defeat McBush.
Wesley Clark is so perfect. I hope Obama sees that.
It's gonna be Biden. He does have problems with "foot in mouth disease", but is the most knowledgeable man around when it comes to foreign relations. I just don't think Bayh has any charisma and I suspect there is something in Clark's past that wouldn't 'vet'. Hilary - well - with Biden gone - she will be the head of the senate (Harry Reid won't be doing it again). Bill Richardson has Bill and John problems - just wait for the National Enquirer on him. We'll see.
I like Biden. I agree with Jim on this. I also think that Wesley Clark would be an excellent choice.
Doesn't matter. Whomever he picks, the netroots, the MSM, and the left in general will find something to bitch about.
I think it's going to be Wes, why else is he ignoring Arkansas?
Russ Feingold
In the states that he ran in, (before he dropped out) what was his over all performance?
yep, not much.
I've always found Biden's foreign policy expertise to be exaggerated and he has a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease that would be a drag on the ticket. We would also never hear the end of plagiarism charges from the right and their Corporate Media mouthpieces.
John Kitzhaber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kitzhaber
Russ already said he has no interest in the VP
Call me crazy, but I'm still hoping Obama will pull Colin Powell out of his ass at the last minute, and then say "suck on this! I'm NOT going to pander to our racist past by 'balancing' my ticket with a middle aged white guy. You now have a choice between TWO very competent black men, and two very senile white men. If you still want to be a racist and vote along racial lines, you're going to have to want to be a racist VERY badly!" (Appologies for the Colin/ass pun.)
I think Biden is the logical choice. He tells it like it is and has the experience that some feel Obama lacks. His gray hair should reassure the older vote.
Senator Biden is a wonderful statesman.
What a wonderful choice for restoring of Country's honor!
John Edwards!
The Dems will find a way to loose anyway so why not go out with a bang?
It will be the one he has not tossed under the bus yet.
Kaine.
Wes Clark is not even invited to the convention!
For those of you who weren't around the site this weekend. Check Saturday's posts.
I'm still crossing my fingers for Clark. I expect to be disappointed.
Betta Buck it's Bayh...
buh-bayh, barry...
Ruthless People @ 19:
Hah! Funny!
And don't you mean "loosen"? ;D
(And don't you dare call me a spelling troll. You're Ruthless People. Deal with it. :P )
Feingold or Bernie Sanders.
My God... The GOP has never had a truer ally than Joe "Bend Over" Biden.
Haven't you heard? Wesley Clark is one of the generals we DON'T listen to.
THERE IS ONLY ONE CHOICE!!!
Wesley Clark!!
Biden voted for the war, Bayh was on the Committee to Liberate Iraq, Nunn is too old, Hagel is a Republican, Kaine is a punk,
Clinton is a Republican too, Sebelius can't because she is a woman (now that is fucked up logic, Clinton sucks so NO woman can
be VP because it will piss off the Clinton Harpies!!! OMG!!)
I believe that if Obama picks someone based merely on territorial reasons, the GOP will call him out for it and he will be viewed as a "typical politician". He should pick someone that he'll have chemistry with, like a Biden. Clark is also a pretty good pick.
I pick John Kitzhaber, because he is rustic and not pamper in Washington, and he is a physician turn politics. Not A lawyer, like Barack is. So John could bring back science to America. John biggest Challenge was national health care, and was on it before Hillary took it over. I think this would be John era as this issue in time with over 4 million without insurance. He foresaw this, but at the time people weren't on it, as they are now. It will take a doctor to write a national health care plan.
I could live with Biden as VP. Not so enthused about Clark. I think my mom would be a good choice, too.
Given that Biden is so in love with his own voice that he has notoriously failed to ask a question during a hundreds-of-words long rant during certain important televised committee meetings regarding Iraq over the past couple of years . . .
I think that Biden would be a flat-out terrible choice for VP. Yes, we don't need McSame in office -- but we also don't need the Circumlocutor-in-Chief as the Vice-President. I mean, what is the Secretary of State position for if not for the Joe Bidens of the world?
Bayh is a non-starter given that the party can't afford to lose a Blue senate seat in a red state with a red governor.
While the scheduling of speakers at the convention would seem to have knocked both Hillary and Tim Kaine out of the running, the first thought that comes to my mind is that all schedules are subject to change at the last minute.
Hagel would be an interesting choice for a true bipartisan cabinet, but he looks MUCH more like SecDef material than VP to me.
Sam Nunn is going to be 70 in September. The age situation would be neutered as a campaign issue if Obama chose someone who's only two years younger than McSame.
I suspect that Obama's VP choice is going to be Hillary, Kaine or Richardson.
-- Rob
How about RFK jr.?
Evan Bayh
(Check out the Aug. 27 schedule. Biden and Richardson are both scheduled to speak, but Bayh is not listed. Why? Because he will speak in the VP slot)
Biden cannot speak extemporaneously--he says really stupid things. I think we don't need to hand the McCain campaign ammunition.
Obama is no fool. He knows what he needs to win the election.
Votes!
Bayh is a fucking republican
Democratic VP Buyer's Guide
I've come around to hoping it's Hillary. She's the "second biggest celebrity in the world!!!!" What a knockout team. (Never thought I'd be saying this.)
Maybe he'll lock Rush up for being a drug addict....
Richardson's probably a good choice for the latino vote: New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Nevada all come into play...well, mebbe not Utah...30 electoral votes? none of 'em gimmes, but surely plausible...
I'm not a big fan, but there's worse ideas...he could be a BEEEG help downticket in all kinds of unlikely places...
JasonS @ 28:
I think Wes took one for the team with his remarks about McCain. He had to expect, after the reaction to the "General Betray Us" ad from moveon.org, that anyone in the mainstream of the party would be looking for distance from him.
The question then is, "Why would he do it?" The only thing I can figure is that he's either dense, or he's got a skeleton or two in the closet waiting to pop out. I don't think Clark is dense.
Obama/Clark is my ideal ticket.
Wesley Clark is smart, articulate and obviously has a strong military background. I also think he'd fill the role of "attack dog" quite well. He has no issues with fighting back.
Kaine and Bayh do nothing for me. Two vanilla politicians with thin resumes who can't even deliver their home states.
Biden is okay, but I'm afraid he'll be quickly dismissed as just another Northeastern liberal. However, he is also someone who would have no problem taking a bite out of the GOP.
Still, give me Obama/Clark (probably not going to happen, though).
Terrible choice; the man's a whore to the credit industry at a sensitive time. Take the shitty bankruptcy bill Biden supported and protected. From Pacific Views:
I'd be more comfortable with a ticket of Obama/Sebelius or Obama/Clark (I'd prefer Obama/Richardson, but I doubt the country is ready for a double-brown ticket). I'd also like to see Obama run a slate, not just pick a VP; that is announce his choices for other offices and campaign as a dream team: include richardson and clark, etc.
The Obama campaign is brilliantly getting news coverage with the way they are teasing about who the VP will be and how they will announce it. I think they have a surprise in store for us. The who's invited and who's scheduled to speak when could be a ploy.
I hope is is Clark.
Andy K Jong Il @ 25:
What's wrong with that?
Also, Biden's seat would be filled by a Republican governor, which would strengthen GOP obstructions
How long will it take wing nuts to print shirts and bumpers tickers that change:
Obama/Biden '08
to
Osama BinLaden'08
what are my thoughts? ever since obama routed hillary he's been terrified to run as a progressive and mccain's been gaining on him. that's what i think.
i want a progressive vp. i'm sick of this centrist crap.
JC @ 9:
I love Wesley.
I think Clark is not going to even be at the Convention....so it's doubtful he'd be the one...I know many online readers aren't Hillary fans, but if Obama wins he'll need someone to whip the Senate too...And she brings a lot of Fl, PA and Ohio voters with her...But it will be interesting...
Huge mistake and I can't imagine with Obama's tight control over campaign composure that he would let motor-mouth Biden near this thing.
The smart money is on Richardson or Clark.
Joe Biden was my first choice before Obama anounced his candidacy. I knew he was never likely to win the nimination with Hillary and John Edwards in the race, but he was always at the top of the list for VP, along with Wesley Clark. I'm be okay with Biden. In fact, he'd be top of shortlist if he was from a swing state.
Btw, my shortlist has always been...
Gov. Brian Schweitzer
Gen. Wesley Clark
Sen. Joe Biden
Sen. Jim Webb
If Biden is the VP pick, he'll be Obama's Cheney on the campaign trail, and in the White House.
Mike Mc @ 48:
I'm completely wrong here.
Honestly, Biden would make a great, diplomatic VP.
I met him back in Delaware back in November, and he's a really friendly politician to the people (not so much to the Bushies and neocons he's been trying to stand up to). I was there for his birthday and anniversary fundraiser/get-together, and it would be great if I actually met the next VP. I even have a "Biden" sign with his signature, so if he were to be the next VP, I wonder how much it would sooner or later be worth.
Pericles @ 17:
powell should never be forgiven for selling that sack of shit to the U.N. i think his only path of redemption is to go before a jury
and grass the whole show up in return for immunity from prosecution.
Please please please please please please please pick Wes Clark--he is the best choice by far--and will make mince meat out of any of McBush's veep picks--
I like Biden the best out of the conventional wisdom picks--but what has CW gotten the Dems in the last 8 years...?
miss_kitty @ 47:
With what? Being a spelling troll (guilty!) or being ruthless?
Oh Jeez, Because you met him makes him a good pick?
That is the thinking of a stupid republican.
Oh Jeez, Powell a competent black guy?
How about a criminal kiss-ass, suck-up, bootlick?
Thinker @ 10:
I'm fairly up on my Wes Clark-ology, and there isn't anything in his past that could possibly be a liability as far as I know. His personal life is Norman Rockwell perfect, military credentials are solid and impressive, and make for some excellent talking points (last American general to wage a successful multinational war with a decisive victory, and not one American casualty etc.), and he also has a background in economics.
As somebody said above, most of that stuff will make him a nice target for the FAR left, who are nothing more than Republican enablers most of the time, whether they admit it or not. But from the right, there's nothing the Republicans can hit him with except for the obvious appeal to the American subconscious lizard brain belief that, if he's a general he MUST be a Republican, therefore if he's running for the Democrats he must be an ambitious hypocrite who'll say anything to get elected. That's just about the only vulnerable spot he has, and the Republicans have already been spinning it for years.
However, don't take my word for it, take the Republican's word for it. The Republicans are SCARED S#!TLESS that Obama will choose Clark! The proof of this was that they desperately tried to take him down last month. They sent the right wing spin machine into full gear against Clark last month for a reason. They'd hoped to knock him off the VP list for good. Witness them sending Oliver North out to call Clark a "small, petty man" (taking a double swipe at his physical size) who is a "sycophant of the Clintons." (I'm pretty sure somebody had to spell out 'sycophant' phonetically, so that North wouldn't mispronounce it.) The strategy of trying to link Clark to the evil Clintons works to a degree, but if that's the worst they can throw at him you know they're in trouble.
Biden is a great choice. Obama needs an attack dog with credibility and Biden can fill that position admirably. He is also a great speaker. I imagine that Biden will evisorate whoever his counterpart may be in the VP debates.
Wesley Clark, John Kerry or Biden. In that order
Biden is more than just about meeting him - he had the clearest plan to end the war in Iraq diplomatically out of any other of the dems and GOP'ers. He's clearly a smart, exerience diplomatic choice who will bring back common sense and reason back to Washington.
If it's Biden I win the bet with myself! Great! He will eat up any Repub VP in one sentence. He will two sentences for McSame, because Li'l Mac speaks with two faces. Love Clark for Defense, Hil for Supreme Court or?, Richardson for State, and so on..... I could actually get excited about this ticket, and don't forget Edwards didn't bring in NC, so nothing is a guarantee.
Can you believe! Smart guys for a CHANGE!
How can Obama choose a 35-year veteran on the U.S. Senate, whose hot air diatribes, foot-in-the-mouth misstatements, and tendancy to plaigerize are legend? Supposedly appealing because he is a foreign policy EXPERT, Biden Voted the the Iraq War, the most disasterous foreign policy decision in American history. His judgment on foreign policy matters is obviously VERY flawed.
My shortlist:
Wesley Clark
John Kerry
Joe Biden
Andy K Jong Il @ 58:
I thought you meant 'Ruthless' was spelt wrong. I even looked it up to make sure... :P
Ruthless People @ 8:
That's totally absurd! Wes Clark bears about as much resemblance to Picard as Obama does to Tuvok! So...oh wait a minute...
Okay, what the hell, call it the Star Trek ticket if you want.
miss_kitty @ 68:
Then you were not on to what I was saying, ms_buttinski. :P :P :D
Biden: Noun + Verb + 9/11 = Giuliani
miss_kitty @ 68:
Best line from the old Firesign Theatre radio show:
Narrator: "He wanders through the night, Ruthlessly..."
Dick Danger: "I wonder where Ruth is..."
I am bothered by the fact McCain has all the timing going his way. He will announce after Obama, so he can react to his pick and counter appropriately, He gets to have his convention after Obama so he can end the momentum and answer the tone of the democrats. He also gets extra time to spend his primary money due to the later convention.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Bob Graham.
Remember him? he may be old, but would be a good counterbalance to obama, like cheney was to bush. Graham if former senator from and governor of florida, possible putting that state in play. He was head of the senate intelligence committee. voted against the iraq war resolution, because he actually read the intelligence estimate.
Of course though, I haven't done any looking into his past votes and what not.
Kucinich
Biden: All I can think about him is the credit card reform mess that he pushed through. He's in the back-pockets of the credit card companies---quite literally. He's a bad choice because of that...and can you imagine the question:
"Senator Biden, you were on the record calling Obama "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," why would he select you as the vice-President.
Biden attacking Bush and the Republicans
My choice is Zell Miller. McCain is going to win
the election anyway because the typical American
voter is a jackass so Miller would add a little fun
to Obama's loser campain.
Pericles @ 72:
Narrator: "At 4th and Drucker he turns left. At Drucker and 4th he turns right. He crosses MacArthur Park and walks into a great, sandstone building."
Nick Danger: "Oh! My nose!"
Nick Danger for Vice President: He spells his name DANGER!
Feingold or perhaps Sweitzer.
almost all the others mentioned above are, or were DLC filth.
The History has always been bad for Senator running for President with the exception of today since both candidate come from the Senate...Now one must ask two Senators on the same ticket for the Democratic President/Vice President...Now look I think Obama will pick a VP older for a four year term, if not then the Democratic Party will find there self with age as issue for that person to run in 2016 of course, I assuming he Obama would be reelected. I like Biden, but he is a Senator and therefore I think Gen. Wesley Clark would fit since he is not from Washington and is a Four Star General with experience in many critical areas...IMHO
jim @ 73:
Well jim, your post is right on the money. Few words but
important point.
To help him win the election, I still say Hillary is the best choice. (would she definitely say no? I don't know) Also Wesley Clark is a good choice.
But personally I prefer Kusinich. He speaks his mind, he listens to his conscience. God, how refreshing!
I liked Clark, but Richardson would be acceptable.
An absolute NO! to Nunn, Bayh, any of those conservative DINOs.
Pretty please, Clark!
Biden is a put bull.....he will chew McCain's surrogates up and spit them out....we just have to hope he doesn't go "too far"...like he has a tendency to.
But all in all I think he is a fine choice and perfect compliment to Obama.
white male... there's no reason for women to continue their citizenship of this incredibly anti-woman nation!
ruffmama @ 87:
I mean't to say PIT bull! ;)
Biden on NRA gun nuts
E.L. @ 88:
Is that you Marge?
On Hardball someone said the Obama camp said it wouldn't be "a surprise". So, I think that eliminates Hillary, and names that have been rarely heard, such as Clark. Even probably Richardson (who I suspect was vetoed strongly by the Clintons...). Anyway, I think it's Biden.
All the more so because the President of Georgia just had him over on a fact finding trip! But then made a pronouncement on his return that jives more with what McCAin was saying than
Obama! But Biden will create sparks on the campaign trail and can help in Pennsylvania in particular. My guess for the Republican side: Tom Ridge.
He's met Richardson in NM and Kaine and Warner in VA in the past two days, and tomorrow he is not going to KS but Sibelius will be joining Obama and Debbie Stabenow in MI. He seems to be doing a lot of red herring stuff so I'm still hoping it will be Wes Clark, my choice, because Obama sure has been ignoring him. I don't want Clinton and maybe Sibelius would silence all the PUMAs and curtail Clinton's showboating at the convention. I don't want Bayh either because Obama would just compromise himself too too much with a running mate who has consistently supported the war and voted for torture. Finally, I don't want Nunn: too conservative, would anger the gays who have supported Obama, and a bore to boot. So Clark's my choice, but it's really Obama's prerogative, and I can live with any of them except the three I mentioned.
If you want to bolster the case for Clark, then go read "The Switch" at www.stoplittering.com/theswitch.htm
But first go to this page that has a dozen military men heaping praise on Clark: http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/9779
(A WWII vet who read "The Switch" told me, "You made me feel guilty for not paying closer attention to Clark in 04!)
On MSNBC today, all the high-powered folks said Biden is now at the top of the heap, and I must say I was thrilled to hear it. I remember thinking what a killer president he would make when he was running, but that obviously would never happen. Biden is very knowledgeable about foreign affairs which seems to be the media mantra lately against Obama. He can be a great attack dog, which Obama is not real good at doing; and the other two constantly mentioned would not remotely be able to handle the sludge coming from the McCain camp. Biden also knows McCain and all his positions over some 30 years inside out, which gives him even more ammunition to work with. Bayh is too boring for words, nobody ever heard of Kaine... not to mention it is easily heard as 'McCain' when people say his name on TV (NOT GOOD!)
Biden is a Catholic, and we very much need to offset some weakness with evangelicals by scoring big with Catholics, a bunch that supported Bush big time in the last 2 elections that have begun to realize they've been had. That is far more powerful than choosing someone who might help in just one lousy state. Just his being a Catholic could be a big influence in MANY swing states such as Michigan, not just PA and others.
So what if sometimes Biden makes a gaffe or two...the other men at the top of the Obama list couldn't make a dent in McCain's current theme "I am the grown up with extensive foreign policy experience" myth, they've only been governors. And I doubt any Biden gaffe could really top McCain offering up his wife for a topless biker 'beauty' contest...
Leadership @ 29:
He won't pick Clark because he has already dis-invited him from the convention. He didn't even give him a speaking role after all he did to try to bring Hillary's people in after obama sucked the vote.
I like the Clark. What better counter to Grandpa's talking points? 1) Bottom of his class idiot or top of his class Rhodes Scholar? 2) former flyboy or former groundpounder? (really, who knows the "reality on the ground" of war better? 3) bumbling, senile fool or sharp, articulate (and tenacious) intellect? the list goes on and on. please, please pick Clark and save Biden for SecState
by "the Clark" I meant "the Clark choice"
Can we please give Chris Dodd some love please. So he got a point shaved off his mortgage rate. Big f**king deal. The man has been a bulldog trying to protect the Constitution.
RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK RFK
nuff said
curtis
Leadership @ 29:
Another of the good old white boys afraid of women. Won't be long til the men don't rule and then where will the viagra popping, women hating men be...on the ropes where they belong. A man is not a real man unless he can support a strong woman and it looks like there are a heck of a lot of whining, peeing and moaning wimps out there.
jim @ 73:
This is the third presidential cycle in which the Republicans go second and they get the advantages you point out. What is it? The sitting president gets to chose first or second? Did you know that McCain is going to announce his VP in PA on the day that Obama gives his acceptance speech in the Mile High Stadium? Yes, and he's also promising to have a rally of about 10,000 people there. All I can say is that the Democrats better have some pretty spectacular distractions of their own while the Gooper convention is going on. Although. . . . the Goopers would probably love that when Cheney and Bush make their appearances.
I hope Biden is the VP so they can finally move Mount Rushmore to New Castle.
choose
It was hilarious to watch the shocked expressions on David Schuster (substituting for Chris Matthews) and Michael Crowley (The New Republic) today on MSNBC's Hardball when longtime Clinton hater, Chrystia Freeland (The Financial Times), dismissed Bayh, Kaine and Biden as the best choice for Barack Obama's running mate by saying the single smartest, most surprising thing Barack Obama could do is pick Hillary Clinton as his running mate.
Because, she went on, Obama needs a fighter, someone who can attack the Republican/Rove machine, someone who is experienced, someone who feels to the country as if they're strong on foreign policy, strong as a commander in chief and who, this famous Clinton hater said, was shown in the primaries to be the most macho of the Democratic field.
We assume she was including Barack Obama himself in that Democratic primary fiield.
And, in this particulary case, Chrystia Freeland is exactly, 100% correct in her assessment.
Rev. Al Sharpton would be good. He could help bring in the Christian evangelicals, since he is a Christian minister.
Big Biden fan here. He will be a fantastic attack dog against McSame and will out debate any R VP. In this age of the internets, the days of choosing a VP based on state or region are likely over, rather that else does he/she bring (national security, foreign policy creds, etc.).
E.L. @ 87:
I agree with you, but you should be telling that to the 'national security Moms' who keep voting for alpha-male Republicans who are good at beating their chests. We COULD have and SHOULD have had Vice President Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, and possibly President Ferraro in 1992.
jim @ 73:
That's the price Gore, Kerry and the Dems payed for allowing Bush/Cheney to steal 2 elections.
Andante @ 94:
Catholic doesn't necessarily help Biden in here in MI. Overall, it's a pretty diverse state. Now if he was Dutch and Christian Reformed- and REPUBLICAN- he'd garner a lot of votes here in west Michigan.
I'm divided over Biden. On the positive side, he's smart and affable, and he's got a lot of knowledge of the foreign relations issues. Negatively, the spectre of plagiarism is still out there, and, though he didn't autor it, he was a driving force behind the passage of the Bankruptcy Bill a few years back. I don't no about you, but I don't like being pushed up against the thought of debtors' prison.
Pericles @ 17:
In this country, a racist does not have to try “very hard” to be a racist. It’s there just under the surface (inbred) just waiting for a reason to expose its ugly head. AND you want to offer TWO chances for that to happen? I think not. Make Wes Clark our attack dog!
angryspittle @ 34:
If he picks RFK Jr. I might not be able to vote for Obama on Election Day. I would be too busy spending the day as a volunteer in Ohio driving dozens of people to the polls to vote Obama/Kennedy -- and would have already voted in PA by absentee ballot!!
Andrew J. Bacevich
The Honorable General Wesley Clark!The Honorable General Wesley Clark!The Honorable General Wesley Clark!The Honorable General Wesley Clark!
Wesley Clark. I just love the man. He is so composed, so confident, and his military experience and foreign affairs experience make McCain's purported experience look like a tin can of dip! lol
naschkatze Hussein @ 101:
I agree, it's stupid for the Dems to always have their convention before the Republicans. However, *wink* there is no rule that says Obama has to announce his VP pick at the convention. In fact, it's better if he doesn't. If he announces it AFTER the Republican convention he gets to make two splashes instead of one, and (more importantly) it gives the Republicans less time to coordinate their attack against the VP. As it is right now, they've got a few people scratching for dirt on Biden, a few more scratching for dirt on Clark etc., but they haven't started thier unified attack against the ticket itself.
Pericles @ 17:
Colon gave a great UN speech, complete with magic white powder!
Helena Montana @ 36:
You mean like that?
Still hoping for Gen. Clark. It is a perfect pairing.
Beef Jerky @ 116:
Exactly. Colin Powell has a big ball and chain around his ankle thanks to his contributions to the Iraq war propaganda. He is a very bad choice if Obama is to make the idea of judgment salient. I really do not like Hillary, but I fear she'd be the only recognizable powerhouse name to add to a winning ticket... except for maybe Gore?
Bill Press was talking this morning like Obama had decided on John Kerry as his running mate. Yet, the Kerry speculation isn't being reported by anyone else. Did anyone else listen to Bill Press this morning and have any idea his source for the "Kerry for VP" rumor?
Andante @ 94:
Great point. If Biden is the pick, he should attack McCain for his votes and subsequent flip-flops. Afterall, Biden knows him best.
I'm still leaning towards Clark and Schweitzer, though.
It is 100% Biden. meets all spoken and unspoken qualifications
1. white male. ticket with women and a minority unfortunately is a little risky.
2. roman catholic working class background needed in pa, ohio.
3. shuts up McSame on foreign policy experience criticism.
4. inline with most mainstream democratic positions.
5. meets obama's criteria of speaking his mind.
Pericles @ 115:
Uhm, I'm not sure how it works, exactly, but there's still a nominating process for the VP, held before the Presidential nominee makes the acceptance speech.
jim @ 49:
It wouldn't work. It plays well to the choir, but that sort of rhetoric will push most voters in the opposite direction. The Republicans don't fully understand how outside the mainstream they actually are. I like Biden for this gig. There's a nice story arc of redemption to it - the media eats that shit up. Just keep Hillary the hell out of this - we want the Republicans to get disheartened and stay home, we don't want them motivated to go to the polls to stop Clinton. Which they'd do. Obama's a tough enough sale in certain places, throwing Hillary Clinton into the mix with him is just suicidal.
It's Me @ 104:
I'd say two things about that. 1. Consider the source, and 2. Although I like Hilary a lot, her lauded 'attack machine' is not all it's cracked up to be, and the proof is that it couldn't even take down a rookie like Obama. If the Billary attack machine couldn't take down Obama, I don't think it could take down McCain. And I think most of the reason for that was because of Hilary's own dislikable factor. Tearing down your opponent doesn't work unless you're offering something better in yourself. If you're personally very dislikable, and come across as being disingenuous, tearing down your opponent doesn't work, and only has the effect of making YOU look worse.
I agree, we're long overdue for a woman presidential candidate. It's been 24 years since the last one! But Hilary is not it becase 1. She's not very likable, and comes across as disingenuous, and 2. She also comes across badly on the 'entitlement/nepotism' factor. There's a better candidate out there! It's too late to run her as VP this time, because she hasn't been 'climatized' to politics yet, but for the future...
LESTEN UP, DEMOCRATIC PARTY ESTABLISHMENT! You should do everything you can to groom THIS woman as a presidential contender! I think she'd work very well.
GENERAL CLAUDIA KENNEDY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Kennedy
PF Flyer @ 40:
Unless you know people in the world, sorry you are so wrong. She is looked as a liars that is thinking that the presidency was her destiny. As a older women I would never wote to put another Clinton or bush in the white House.
For what it's worth, I'd just like to say that Joe Biden has huge credibility with us Brits. He is a very decent, intelligent, and honest politician - which in US politics is as rare as rocking horse shit!
Biden has impecable credentials regarding foreign policy and his achievements and experience in this field is unmatched by any other American politician. Obama would benefit hugely by having Joe Biden as his VP. Britain trusts Biden. Europe trusts Biden. Obama/Biden '08 would be the best possible outcome in Nov08 (well, certainly as far as us British are concerned, that is).
Kerry? Shit, they wouldn't dare. Better him than Clinton, but there's just no way. He's epic fail personified.
Andy K Jong Il @ 123:
How depressing. But I guess that's right. Did Kerry actually nominate Edwards on the last day of the convention last time?
JIML @ 120:
WTF!? If John "Skull and Bones" Kerry had fought for the people who voted for him and were disenfranchised by crooked voting machines, Obama would still be in the Illinois House. Kerry would be a great candidate if the plan is to throw the election again.
Eh, Hillary.
Jim Webb. Thats it. Nobody else.
He's a moderate with high name recognition and lacking strong negative Q numbers. He won't outrage the base, nor will he mobilize the opposition. I think he'd be a solid choice.
Also, I think the idea of a VP pick making a significant regional difference is over-rated, particularly in this election. (The one exception might be if there was a strong candidate from Arizona, (s)he could put that state into play more.)
Saw on Yahoo that McCain is allegedly going to announce is VP choice **ON HIS 72ND BIRTHDAY** (Aug. 29th)! Man, they will do ANYTHING to distract the shee...people from Grampy's age.
For the Dems I'd like to have Richardson for his strong credentials - if he wasn't such a fish on the campaign trail. 'Tis a sad day when the truly qualified are disqualified because they ain't got purty lips.
Now RFK, Jr is someone I hadn't thought of and he would be an awesome choice. Damn it, if the Bushies want to stick around I think it's time for some Kennedys.
What ever happened to Oprah?
Actually I think it should be someone who can ATTACK and think logically and hasn't already been demonized by the RNC slime machine. The problem is that obama's main weakness is seen as inexperience, but if he picks someone who's been in politics forever it undercuts his 'change' message. Personally I'd pick Feingold, but that would send the southern white males out to buy more guns.
I've got it! Dodd! Remember that guy who tried to stand up for the constitution during the warrantless wiretapping scandal? Nice guy, experience, progressive issues. BINGO!
Different Anonymous @ 134:
It's actually better than that. The Dems in New Orleans plan to throw a birthday bash for McCain on that day to remind everybody that McCain was eating BIRTHDAY CAKE with BUSH on Aug 29th 2005, while New Orleans was DROWNING under KATRINA FLOOD WATERS. Thus, his claims that he'll be a different kind of president that Bush wouldn't 'hold water' so to speek, if that event got into the news cycle.
McCain is annuncing his VP on the 29th to distract from the planned Katrina anniversary in NoLa.
PF Flyer @ 40:
Yeah, but then he'd need a full-time food taster.
Just sayin'.
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 124:
Fair point. Oy vey, what a mess.
Maybe then Obama/Gore... just a silly dream of mine.
Joe Schmo @ 127:
I love Brit expressions. Is "rare as rocking horse shit" a real one or your own invention? Pretty good. One I like is that someone is "so wet you can shoot snipe off him". I was watching Larry King Live, and Sen. Claire McCaskill and another Obama spokesman were saying that it was no big deal if McCain cheated on the faith debate or that the pastor Warren lied about it. I just joined the Democrats in April, but this is what gets me about them. It's a very big deal if a "man of the cloth" lies or a presidential candidate cheats, but the Democrats never go for the jugular. They are so wet you can shoot snipe off them. BTW, I thought Joe Schmo was an Americanism.
I think the most exciting candidate Obama could pick is Hillary.
Ruthless People @ 20:
I love how the first blatantly partisan comment is made with a 4th-grade spelling error.
LongTooth @ 27:
'My God... The GOP has never had a truer ally than Evan "Elephant Load Swallower" Bayh.'
Fixed it for ya.
Ruthless People @ 8:
Make it so.
think about it............biden against whatever goofball mc bush puts in there
puts in the debates i mean
go back and look at the "amber alert" legeslation. if memory serves correctly, bidden attached "the rave act". he attached to a piece of legeslation he knew would go through without a hitch. he's sneaky.
Biden's vote on the Bankruptcy Bill disqualifies him. He's in the pockets of the banking lobby. Obama is running against lobbyist influence and choosing Biden would shatter that image and destroy that meme.
Why bother speculating? Just so you can say, "I told you so!" ??
If you're willing to trust Obama to be your President, just trust him to select a VP candidate that will be good for him. for the party mad for the country.
Good night.
That's supposed to say: "...select a VP candidate who will be good for him, for the party, and for the country."
Kinda' tired ...#:)
Biden would be a solid choice.
If there is one thing Biden has, it is that almost every UNION in this country loves them some joe biden. Also Biden could win New Hampster for Obama as well as solidifying the union base in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Don't underestimate the Biden Factor.
After all...
JOE IS RIGHT!
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