Pat Buchanan gushes over Obama speech, hell freezes over
By SilentPatriot Thursday Aug 28, 2008 5:40pm
Q: How do you know Obama's speech was well-received?
A: Pat Buchanan can't shut up about how much he loved it.
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BUCHANAN: "I stand with Obama! It was a genuinely outstanding speech, it was magnificent. I saw Cuomo's speech, I saw Kennedy in '80, I even saw Douglas MacArthur, I saw MLK; this is the greatest convention speech and probably the most important because unlike Cuomo and the others, this was an acceptance speech, this came out of the heart of America, and he went right at the heart of America. This wasn't a liberal speech at all. This is a deeply, deeply centrist speech. It had wit, it had humor, and when he used the needle on McCain, he stuck it into McCain and it was funny. It was Kennedy's speech in '80. I laughed with Kennedy when he was needling Ronald Reagan."
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Holy crap . . . I feel . . .hope for the fate of mankind . .. again.
Shorter Buchanan: "Once you go black..."
*faints*
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
I have always kinda liked Buchanan..I know I know I know he is a social darwinist and a serious asshole, but there is something
about him I have always kinda respected. Just to sit at the table with him, a bottle of Bushmills and throw the bull around
would be great. He is the only politician in 30 years to mention the trade deficit, and the only pre 911 politician to talk about
closing our borders.
Maddow's been a good influence on him...
Watch the others. They all have WTF looks.
[runs outside to check if the sky is still blue]
Congrats, Pat!
You don't work for the FuxYous Channel so you were allowed to compliment a non-conservative.
Maybe Pat can feel the change in the winds. His party is becoming the way of the Whigs.
Shows how great of a speech it really was. He honestly - and fairly - captured the hearts of all Americans in the speech last night. Brilliant. This shows truly what kind of unifying leader Barack Obama will be.
So what. It's like saying that Hitler liked dogs.
In the words of U2:
It's a Beatiful Day!
Welcome aboard Republicans.
Democrats don't attack the Obamacans.
Pat's always been his own man. BUT...his 1% moment of truth doesn't in anyway exculpate his 99% of assinine bullshit.
If he didn't have such a WHINEY damn voice.
I'm going back to bed folks, this is depressing.
Vedilo oggi tutto più successivamente.
ciao
Leadership @ 5:
roooth @ 6:
I like the fact that, at least lately (I don't know about his entire career), even at his most obnoxious, he is still having a conversation with Rachel and the rest, not just screaming and interrupting like pundits on a certain other cable news channel. That, and some frickin' truth and honesty, is all I ask!
Leadership Says:
I have always kinda liked Buchanan..I know I know I know he is a social darwinist and a serious asshole, but there is something about him I have always kinda respected. Just to sit at the table with him, a bottle of Bushmills and throw the bull around would be great. He is the only politician in 30 years to mention the trade deficit, and the only pre 911 politician to talk about closing our borders.
FYI - typing "I am an asshole too" is more efficient.
Why does pat Buchanan hate himself?
"Uppity" Bonkers @ 15:
Well, that and some frickin' sharks with laser-beams on their heads!!
Bill Kristol gave the speech thumbs up, too. I was flabbergasted. Especially after Juan (Oh, Juan. Why so bitter?) flamed it. Watching Bill's eyes while he spoke of Obama's speech, it looked to me like he was having an internal conflict of epic proportions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1UfVElkumI
thats all well and good but i still dont care what he says, even if i would agree with his statement.
"And this just in....Rush Limbaugh assumed into heaven".
It wasn't just a great speech - it was an amazing convention.
The Democrats seized the very "values" to which Republicans have long given lip service.
"Faith" is now Faith in America.
Faith in the American Dream.
Faith in Each Other.
And Family.
Obama's Mom and GrandParents.
Biden's Family.
Just like us .. part of the American Family.
its the future, people know theres change coming :)
When someone so indelably linked to one party gushes over the speach of someone from the other, and then goes out of his way to reread parts of it in his praise then you KNOW that you have done the job.
Republicans must be shitting McCain sized condominiums at the moment at the thought that McCain has to go out and follow not only that speach, but those of Gore, Kucinich, Biden, Kerry and both Clintons. I wasn't going to watch the repugs convention but l'll watch the repeats on BBC Parliament just for the fun of watching them struggle to match this week.
This is the REPUBLICAN Party we're discussing here. What would an intelligent women be doing in this crowd?
"She's been tabbed, She's a hottie (beauty pageant style), and she can cook. Get back in that kitchen."
Hillary Clinton is quietly disappointed in John Bush.
Buchanan's one of those guys who Obama's nomination is a 'get-out-of-jail-free" card.
He's been a jolly, unregenerate racist ever since he helped Spiro Agnew craft the "southern Strategy."
Obama's nomination, to him, means he--Buchanan-- no longer has to be ashamed of his racism, because the nomination relieves the whole country of the stigma of structural racism: A truly "racist" culture, the argument Pat and his ilk are relieved by goes, would not--could not--nominate a despised minority to be the presidential candidate of one of the two major parties. Therefore Murka is not a structurally racist nation, and thereby I am relieved of any and all of those pesky allegations about me.
There were sighs and exudations like Buchanan's all over red-neck Murka last night.
This morning may have been the first morning in 40 years that Pukin' Pat hasn't blinked in the eyes of the face in the mirror...
He's off his meds already, predicting on Gregory that Gustav could be a benefit to the Rebublicans.
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 14:
That's easy for you to say....g'night, BB.
What the heck has happened to Buchanan lately.. I even read a few of his screeds in the rant pages of my daily a few months ago.. and holy cheeze-whiz... some, not all, but some of it actually made some sense... That kind of shit makes me uneasy when someone like Pat Buchanan can somehow make any amount of sense on anything... Go figure...
I guess its never too late to wake up and smell the coffee but is this a ligitimate change of heart on his part or just some crass finger in the air checkin the wind direction opportunism... dunno..
I think, after watching this guy since the early 90's shill for the right and republics, I'm a just gonna have to reserve my personal final judgement on all this reformed Buchanan rah rah cheerleading Obama for the moment... till I see where it's all going... Pat? Can't help it.. I'm just a little bit suspicious of you dude. Yer track record? It ain't so hot guy.....JD
Kathy in St. louis @ 21:
Rush went back to the Caribbean?
Job secutity but he may be right.
Obama up by 8 Gallup.
*watches video*...
woah...this is the other dimension's Buchanan isn't it?
It's a trap! Run for your lives!
quietly waiting for the other shoe to drop.
What does it say when Pat Buchanan is actually tolerable to listen to campared to the other blow-hard pundits from the Right!
Pat Buchanan is a dyed-in-the-wool old school conservative Republican. But he has a genuine, lovable, irascible quality about him that endears him to folks across the political spectrum. Nobody can survive in the mass media for as many decades as Pat if he did not have definitive endearing qualities. Despite their contentious disagreements on MSNBC, Rachel Maddow said she really likes Pat. That is a good enough endorsement for me.
Amalink @ 1:
Holy crap indeed. I would never have believed it if I hadn't heard it.
mjULTRA @ 4:
LOL!!
I like what he said about Palin. Is she ready to be president of the US?
Lord, can you imagine her in a debate with Biden?
What the hell can she possibly offer????
sassafra @ 32:
Well, I will say this. If you go to his last MANY OpEd pieces, this is one conservative that for the most part I do not agree with, but he's not been very kind to Bush.
And for good reason.
hell freezes over
Yep! And Satan is furious, furious, furious with Buchanan.
Wow! Just WOW!!!
Harry R. Sohl @ 16:
Fuck you!
I will say this, even Buchanan at his worst on MSNBC is still better than CNN. Happened to be flipping through last night and saw Ben Stein on Larry King. I stopped to listen to what that blather head had to say, when they had not 1 or 2 Repug mensch on, but 4 all criticizing the Obama acceptance speech without one voice in contrast. I guess this proves once and for all that CNN is off the deep end, even worse than Faux Noise. At least Faux pretends to have a Democratic persona on.
Oh God...
You USians are pitiful!
Get OVER yourselves!
You aren't that important anymore!
> What the heck has happened to Buchanan lately.. I even read a few of his screeds in the rant pages of my
> daily a few months ago.. and holy cheeze-whiz… some, not all, but some of it actually made some sense
Because Buchanan is a genuine conservative. Often a troglodyte, yes, but not a party hack.
I've known him to be thick, I've known him to be deliberately clueless, I've known him to be insensitive, homophobic, racist, pinheaded, intolerant and annoying but one thing he's never been is disingenuous. He stands for what he believes in, sick as much of it is, and I do respect that.
He's not Bill Kristol.
Maddow looks like she's got beer goggles on for Buchanan.
Canuknotusa @ 44:
Wow The Great White North Incoherent takes a major hit off his beer bong and spews nonsense. How cool is that?
Wasn't Buchannon Nixon's speech writer? (Or am I thinking of Ben "Franken" Stein?) It struck me that he was effusive about the sheer technique of Obama's speechifyin', coming at it from a writer wonk point of view.
Sometimes I get mixed up between Pat Robertson and Pat Robertson..I mean Pat Buchanan. But I think Buchanan would win in a knife fight with Robertson.
Leadership @ 42:
LOL
I haven't seen a good, plain "eff U!" on these boards in awhile.
(not laughing at you, Leadership, per se, just the humanity of it all)
Someone, anyone, give Pat and ice tea!
Now Peggy Noonan...she was on MSNBC this morning. I can't stand that heinous horror hag.
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 47:
If Canada invades, then maybe he can talk some smack!
(I kid)
JasonS @ 45:
You save me a lot of typing.
thanks.
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 47:
How cool? - At least as cool as naming Sarah Palin as a VP candidate.
Again - the US doesn't matter as much as it did 9 years ago - thanks to the decisions made by USians at the polls. Twice.
I like Pat Buchanan. Of course I don't agree with him all the time but he's at least a thoughtful, intelligent man. I think we'll see more desertions soon. Even Rupert Murdoch was fawning over Obama a few months ago. The McCain campaign is a complete joke, from top to bottom. It's almost as if Dan Quayle were advising the McCain campaign.
Pats basically a traditional conservative and he's 100% opposed to Imperialism. He does not like neocons and their policy, and has not hesitated to say it in his written pieces. He is deeply concerned about the future of our country. I've read his stuff this past 8 years and he's skewered Bush/Cheney and Co. righteously more times then most people may realize.
It's the end of Civilization as we know it -- it's the Rapture, I'm coming 'Lizabeth.
No...wait...I'm Jewish. I'm screwed.
Mike V. @ 38:
Back to her place for Mooseburgers afterwards?
Canuknotusa @ 44:
i grew up a green mountain gal in vermont . used to walk across the border all the time and adore canada. you better hope we pull out of this gop nosedive dear because if we don't i'm afraid you're going to be next and sooner than you think.
Like many here, I disagree with Buchanan on almost everything, but with just a few exceptions, he is at least civil when debating with others. He is also willing to give criticism to conservatives and props (like this one) to his opposition which is a rare commodity in this age. I was curious to hear what my local conservative station thought about Obama's speech last night while driving to work this morning. I live in the DC area and the radio station is WMAL. One of the announcers is former congressman, Fred Grandy (the dude who played Gopher on the TV show Loveboat) and the other is a real hack, Andy Parks. There was little or no discussion on Obama's speech. The main topic was McCain's congratulating response to Obama's nomination from the Democratic Party. Had Obama flopped, I am sure they would have killed him during their entire show. The fact that they avoided it speaks volumes. As they say, the silence was deafening.
Personal photos begin to leak out.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/1903451448_635a36aed2_o.jpg
S/F/O!!
Canuknotusa @ 55:
I'm assuming it must be the BC bud that makes you feel the necessity to tell us things we're already painfully aware of. How about you take another really big hit and go out for munchies. We'll still be here when you get back but by then maybe you'll feel like taking a nap. Meanwhile we'll be doing everything we can to get our country back and hey, thanks for the good energy and encouragement.
Pat is a crusty old fart, but at least he can acknowledge when the Dems do something positive...or when the GOP screws up.
That's all I ask. Be liberal or conservative....but just admit when the other side has done something well.
sassafra @ 60:
Precisely why I do not like the USA!
By the way, if you try something like that, you just might have a few more countries than Canada lining up against you.
... just a comment...
I think as a speechwriter, Pat Buchanan knows the good stuff when he hears/reads it. Alot of this came off to me as professional admiration from one speechwriter to another. He was impressed with the speech maybe not on an idealogical level but probably on a talking shop level. As a political wonk, I can disagree all day about the direction McCain's campaign has taken but I have admiration at their strategy as of the beginning of August. It's ugly but it works.
Chuck @ 62:
And I couldn't understand why the old fart chose her as a running mate. That pretty much clears that up.
orcas @ 36:
Me too. Buchanan has always come off as sincere in his opinions. However misguided those opinions appear to be on an occasion or two or three or a bunch of times.
you really misunderstand me.
what i *mean* is if our economy continues to go south yours will continue to be dragged along with it. we're that tightly bound.
my that's some nasty bit o' hate you have worked up.
Sooo, whaa??? I'm to take it that one of Nixons flunkys is actually a Goldwater type conservative republican??? Cause that's what your 'traditional conservatives' or what's left of them are.. followers of Goldwaters philosophy... Is that the deal??.... Uh huh... Ya know what?... I just don't know about that... I don't think you made the sale.. but nice try. Pats got a lotta makin up to do far as I'm concerned. He's been shillin for the wrong side a long fucking time now. I just ain't ready to go all gaa gaa over Pat just because he says he liked Obama's speech.......JD
Chuck @ 62:
How can I say no to that?! That's it I'm changing my vote.. NOT
hate to tell you this folks, but i've seen Buchanon creeping more and more to the center and possibly leaning to the left. My feeling is that it's nothing to get too excited about, i attribute it only to his network job which requires neutrality or so it would seem.
sassafra @ 68:
Our economy's doing just fine thank you.
No 'hate' here' - just a resistance to your overwhelming narcissism.
Canuknotusa @ 65:
Wow, I didn't know the BC bud made you so paranoid. Allow me to intercede. I believe our sister from the great state of Vermont is suggesting that your political house is in a state of pre-fascism itself and that if we fall to the forces of the dark side you will most likely be on Darth Cheney's short list. We won't need to do something silly like invade you or any other country, you'll simply be another landmass/resource base assimilated by our corporate overlords. Now you get busy on that bong and stop worrying your beautiful little mind about such things. After all, we're the only country facing a corporate takeover, I mean its not like Canada has a bunch of untapped resources that anybody would want to exploit on the cheap.
cv @ 59:
Be careful. That's how Chimpy "wins" in debates. The bar is so incredibly low, that as long as he doesn't pick his nose or drool, he comes out on top.
Believe me, she'll probably do well. She's attractive and not a total moron. As long as she stays relatively close to Biden, people will give her the benefit of the doubt.
idleuser @ 70:
Chuck, if that's not photoshopped I believe the mystery of why McSame would chose her as a running mate has been solved.
Chuck @ 62:
Too bad it isn't real. Not even a good PS job.
thought i heard pat say we ought to elect the guy who actually wrote the speach!
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 73:
... typical USian asshole!
Get over yourself - you're not as important as you use to be, buddy.
Canuknotusa @ 72:
*laughs* if you say so....enjoy your new corporate overlords...
Canuknotusa @ 77:
Wow, paranoid and abusive. You better check out your connection dude, I think maybe somebody's slipped something nasty into your stash. Chill out hoser eh, drink a couple of Molsons and take a nap, you'll feel better when you wake up.
Buchanan is, for the most part, an honest conservative. I love listening to what he has to say because it's what I wish the republican party would stand for. I disagree with most of it, but if we had a good, honest, intellectual debate about the issues this country would have no problems.
The Truth Hurts @ 74:
But what could she possibly know about foreign policy? And she's already said she doesn't know what the Vice President does. Think Biden might bring that up?
I think it's important to note though, he's comparing it to other Democratic convention speeches that all lost. Especially of note is the "Kennedy needling Reagan" bit. There's definitely some subtext there...
Texas Democrat @ 75:
It's real all right.
Perhaps I'm just in a bad mood, and feel like raining on a parade, but........I could never stand Buchanan, and this doesn't elevate him in my mind. In fact, it makes me really angry, and contrary to some in this thread, weakens my hope for the fate of humanity.
Listen to the part of Obama's speech he quoted. The part about all fighting under the same proud flag. Sure, it has to be said, because the Republicans have made all of their gains by trumpeting that they are the true patriots, and liberals are evil America haters. But it's not a very profound things to say. If it weren't for the disgusting manner in which Republicans have played the elections game for about a generation now, it would be taken as a given that we differ on policy, but hold the same basic patriotic principles dear.
And that's what gets me. Pat Fucking Buchanan found that TRULY, GENUINELY inspirational. He's surprised a Democrat is saying it -- calling the speech "centrist" no less, differentiating it no doubt from the aforementioned America hating liberals -- he's probably surprised to hear a black person saying it (and even more surprised a black person is speaking coherent English), and THINKS IT'S PROFOUND! It isn't, damn it!
Buchanan and his ilk are the kind of unthinking, unevolved cave men who really, really do want their candidates to wrap themselves in the flag and spout platitudes because they think it actually means something. And there are too many of these people!
Sorry, but Buchanan's reaction doesn't give me hope. It proves to me that there's never likely to be a candidate of substance who can simply put forward some really great ideas and work to implement them. America doesn't want that.
Canuknotusa @ 55:
I would almost have agreed with you, Canuck. America is full of loud-mouthed, self-important, provincial people.
But neither as a nationwide populace nor as a collection of sovereign states did we elect George Bush.
Jesues I hate to get involved in these little flame wars usually but for cryin out loud canuknotusa? Whoa, why don't you try chillin just a bit there dude... Maybe you ain't payin attention but we're on your side here...At least we're on the same side as the sane Canadians and I'm going out on a limb and assuming you're one of those for the moment..sheeesh.. Besides, you say we're not 'all that important anymore'.. Fine, as one American to one Canadian, that actually works for me.. I'm here to tell ya, I don't give a damn to see my country 'all that important' anymore.... Personally I subscribe to the 'we're all init together' theory. As in the whole damned species are gonna sink or swim by getting along and not killing each other over bullshit!!.. That would be we USAians, you Canadicans, and all the rest.... So as far as I'm concerned, as long as shit is working, I don't give a damn who gets the big chair.... And if there's any justice in this world and any luck at all left to count on... This time next year? My nation will be cleaning up its act, and the motherfuckers who created this shitstorm will be in the Hague... I don't know if that will happen, that's what I'd like to see, and while it's speculation if Obama gets in.. It's at least a reasonable speculation... If the repubs steal another one then for sure none of what I just said is in the least bit possible... So to conclude our witty repartee', if we USAians can get a dem in the wh, start cleaning up this mess, and put those bastards responsible on trial as they deserve.. I guess you're just gonna have to fire up a fattie and find some other nation to bitch about.. Either way, good luck with your own nations neoBush I hear you've been saddled with recently. I'll spark one up tonight and wish the best for you and your fellow Canadicans bro..................JD
So the media has so much control now that pundits, blabbermouths, and analysts get like 99% of all the public air, spectrum, and net time and Obama get's what 1/10% if even that to say how he feels about something or an issue in a live unscripted scenario?
Truly frustrating.
Thank you Huffpo. There is a God.
I have lived long enough to see a media headline worthy of the highest accolades of Journalism as art. It is sharp, witty and hits the reader square in the funnybone.
Buchanan? He is one very wild card. When he is most unreasonable he warrants a padded room.
But I've read his take months ago on the idiocy of engaging Russia in a land war over Georgia. Recently he elaborated over South Ossetia and the absurdity of pushing NATO the way Kruschev pushed the Cubans to accept nukes 60 miles off shore.
He regarded both as dangerously infantile gestures. So do I.
One nuclear sub under the ice in the arctic circle could take out any national capitol on earth. There is no need to engage Europe as a nuclear battlefield to duke it out with the Russkies.
Unlike so many of his colleagues on the right Buchanan sometimes gets it in ways you never see anymore.
That he has connected with what appeals to the maverick consciences and ideals of both libertarian and conservative - traditional not neo-con Conservative - about Obama, speaks well of both men.
It is like Viceroy Mountbatten meeting that 'little guy in a loin cloth' and coming away amazed about Gandhi -
'No wonder they admire the man! He's brilliant!'
Until you reasonable folks can take back your country, don't count on us "Molson" drinkin' Canucks to back you anymore.
We're tired of you.
The rest of the planet is tired of you.
Get your act together, or you may find that not too many of us care anymore!
Karen @ 84:
Aww, what a shame. You started off so well. Why did you have to go and sh!t the bed?
orcas @ 90:
How exactly did I do that? Buchanan is a racist.
So......what does it say when every a**hole that has publicly supported the Republicans since long before Bush, are now backing Obama? Think about it people....be VERY afraid.
ConcernedCanuck @ 92:
(a) They're not. One guy, Fucknut Buchanan, unexpectedly praised his speech. But I'll betcha he's not gonna vote for him.
(b) It could mean that America is waking up.
Buchanan was selling Palin's bonafides by saying that she is a mother, blah, blah, blah and (paraphrased a bit) the mother of a downs syndrome child. With apologies to all such parents, this makes you the best candidate for Vice President as much as being a POW makes you the best choice for President.
Canuknotusa @ 89:
There you go again stating the obvious. Man you have come to the wrong site if you think you're telling us anything we don't already know. But here's a newsflash for you. One of our outstanding brethren, goes by the handle Bangkok Bob, is an expatriate currently located in Thailand. Earlier he posted that he watched Obama's acceptance speech in a bar frequented by a wide range of nationalities. Here's the fun part hoser, apparently all those people from all those countries went freakin' nuts during the speech. Don't count us out eh, we may be down right now but we're getting back up.
You know what, when we're standing proud again we'll still love our neighbors to the north. Now get some clean bud, party down and cheer us on.
Karen, how about you go have a nice hot mug of STFU?
Chuck @ 96:
Smooches!
Karen @ 93:
Sorry Karen, but there are a pile of Republican dittoheads on television praising Obama.....don't think they are waking up...it's politics...something REALLY smells funny here
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 95:
What's clean bud?
I'll cheer you on if that pleases you, but even your successes won't mean much change for the world.
The US is a poisonous plant that need to be plucked and thrown in a landfill.
Yours is a failed political experiment. It's time to take the electrodes off the monkey and set the damn thing free.
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not! @ 95:
Did you know that a majority of drugs in Canada, come from the US? Did you know that a majority of illegal guns and ammo comes from the US?
ConcernedCanuck @ 98:
Praising him? Or, as you said at first, supporting him? They'd be quite different. And if there are indeed a ton of stupid Republicans on tv praising the speech, it just confirms to me what I was saying earlier about Buchanan. (Which, for some reason has gotten people upset.)
There are a lot of anti-NEOCON conservatrds who listen to Pat. I will add that Pat makes sense on a number of issues. He's been against the Iraq war since day one. Ignore Karen, she sounds like a Hillary PUMA member.
Bernie Bear @ 51:
Yes, he must be thristy, he hasn't had any Kool-Aid today!
ConcernedCanuck@92;
Oh, I'm definitely suspicious of republican a-holes suddenly gettin jiggy with Obama like they just found religion or something... Not everyone here is buying the Buchanan is a wise old sage meme.... Certainly not me anyways... And being afraid?? Yea, that fear thing is something we've been living with ever since Chimpy jumped the shark with his bullshit shock and awe routine... Ain't nobody happy down here save the Bushie insiders and everyones thinking long and hard about where we're at and how the hell to fix this mess.... BTW, maybe you should dialogue with your fellow Canadian upthread.. You know, the one who has is ians ans cans all mixed up... Seems like he's really bummin over something and trying to take it out on us... And man, we got enough shit to deal with and what he's peddlin is old news.... We're all up on the fact that George W. Bush has pissed off the world... That hasn't gone unnoticed down here man..... Know what I mean??? So anyway, yea, thanks for the post and have good one.... Just for the record... I like Canada and canadians, always have... for what its worth........................JD
Karen @ 101:
Oh I'm not upset. Didn't read all the posts yet, but, when the opposing parties members seem to be supporting the other candidate, there is always a reason....I don't think it's because they are stupid...I think it's because they know any change that will happen will be Republicanish....just like a ton of Bill Clinton's policies and agendas were more Republican than Dem....NAFTA, etc, etc..
Chuck @ 102:
You don't know me. I'm a regular here. Who are you?
I was for Obama over Clinton, and am on record here on that. I was one of Clinton's original detractors. You have inferred something I certainly never implied, something no reasonable person could infer. Criticizing Buchanan equals PUMA? Weird.
Pat Buchanan is a racist, isolationist, paleo-conservative. Of course he was against the Iraq invasion. He thinks we shouldn't have fought WWII either.
And hey, if his praise for this speech makes some conservatives vote for Obama, all the better. I won't begrudge it. But Buchanan does not deserve any praise from us. He'll do nothing to help us, and will be out there supporting McCain.
You sound like a political naif.
Jack Damage @ 104:
LOL...ya, I read those posts...somebody is real mad at you guys...sometimes it is hard for people to tell the difference between governments, and the people that make up the electorate...sure there are some American idiots...but there is a shitload up here as well....artificial borders don't stop stupidity.....Example? Stephen Harper....yikes.
Karen @ 91:
Pat Buchannan has been around for many decades. He has met and worked with dozens of journalists and colleagues in the news broadcasting business who are African-American. Can you provide a link to show an instance when any of them accused Pat of being a racist? I am sure an individual of your high moral integrity would not simply pull an unfounded scurrilous allegation out the anus without a shred of documented proof to back it up.
Mike V. @ 38:
what can she offer? a debate with binden? what does it matter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z_huHmtdGk
repugs eat that shit up. they love it. the hollower the candidate the better. it means that hole between their ears is ready to be filled up w/agenda direction.
Could you imagine Bush writing his own speech? McCain or Reagan too for that matter. From Clinton to Gore to Obama to Carter to Kennedy Democratic presidents and presidential candidates are intelligent and articulate capable of writing their own speeches and speaking intelligently and articulately without scripts. Whereas Republican presidents and presidential candidates are a bunch of dim 15 watt light bulbs who if they don't have a teleprompter in front of them or a speech someone else wrote for them will flop around like fish outta water at the podium.
Gosh Karen, ask the nurse to double your meds. You're a fanatic.
ConcernedCanuck @ 105:
Indeed, there usually is a reason, and it's usually sinister.
Obama's positions have always been clear. He's largely a centrist. Nothing revolutionary is going to happen when he's president. But he might be able to put a tourniquet on the massive, gushing wounds the Oval Office Orangutan has managed to inflict.
orcas @ 108:
You won't get an answer from Karen.
Chuck @ 111:
You'll have to do better than that. People know me here. ;)
orcas @ 108:
Pat Buchanan’s history of anti-Semitism, Racism, and Homophobia
Karen @ 106:
You really have jumped the shark with this one, sweetie.
ConcernedCanuck @ 115:
Hmmm..didn't work...here is link http://www.democracynow.org/1996/2/20/pat_buchanans_history_of_anti_semi...
ConcernedCanuck @ 115:
ConcernedCanuck @ 115:
Got a link?
Didn't think so.
Chuck @ 118:
Settle down Chuck..you are sounding trollish..I've tried now to post it...doesn't wanna post....democracynow.org has it from 1996
ConcernedCanuck @ 119:
Democracy Now?
LOLZ!
I first voted back in the mid 70s for Carter. You probably weren't even a spem in your prepubescent daddy's nutsack back then.
You can call Buchanan a conservative and a Catholic but he's not a racist or an antisemite.
Oh crap people... Leave that girl alone and stop the literary gangbanging drive bys on her.. I've read many of Karens posts and she's alright in my book... And her suspicions about Pat Buchanan are well founded... Good grief, I believe she's a fucking lawyer for cryin out loud, so I think she probably has a clue.... Get off her back...
Karen, I know you don't need the likes of me defending you, but this shit is just getting ridiculous.... Sorry if I stepped in where I shouldn't... JD
Chuck @ 120:
If you first voted for Carter, I have pimples older than you, so settle down or piss off with this holier than thou attitude. Do a damn search and you'll find ample articles. I don't understand people arguing for "links" when your on the damn internet. Amazing what you can find if you are smart enough to type in a search......and now back to your regularly scheduled trolling.
Jack Damage @ 121:
A clue about what? How to rip off the little people?
ConcernedCanuck @ 122:
Translation: I have nothing to back up the BS I just pull out of my arse.
Thank you.
orcas @ 108:
Buchanan also praises Alan Keyes, who praises him in return. That, in and of itself, does not mean Buchanan is not a racist. Nor does the fact that he works with African American colleagues who might not have publicly accused him of being a racist.
What I will do, is provide links that evidence his racism based on his own words, not the words of others.
Here's a link that has a number of his quotes.
Here's a link that summarizes a lot Buchanan's positives and negatives, and it does discuss his racist views.
Of course, we can't leave out C&L's chronicling of Buchanan's racism.
While you're at it, go listen to his address to the 1992 Republican National Convention, and behold the bigotry, and not just against blacks.
Jack Damage @ 121:
You are right JD.....she is as regular a poster as it gets...only time I've read some of the names of the people jumping her, are when they are jumping someone else and trolling......Karen, if I offended you, I apologize.....was not my intention...UpChuck on the other hand, seems to be an immature little troll....must be prune juice night for Republicans.
Chuck @ 124:
Translation: I am too damn stupid to do an internet search myself
Thank you.....now go troll someone else windbag.
Chuck @ 123:
:) So you're a lawyer-bigot to boot, huh?
You can spout all the one-line posts you want. It doesn't bother me.
Karen @ 125:
Trolls aren't anything you can reason with Karen....it's a slow day in the McCain war room.
ConcernedCanuck @ 126:
Gosh, anyone who dares to disagree with your extremism is now a troll?
IN your next post you need to call me a "Hitler".
ConcernedCanuck @ 126:
A thank you to both, and no worries for either. :)
The trolls are going to be out in force for a while. It's ok. They're fun to play with.
ConcernedCanuck @ 127:
And here our troll sinks into middle-school level debating.
Right back at you: Your momma wears army boots.
Chuck @ 130:
Nope. Just you.
Come to think of it, I think you are Hitler. :)
Karen @ 128:
Karen @ 133:
By the way, I'm also well known here politely discussing anything with anyone who disagrees with me -- even people like you who at first had nothing to offer but "SFTU" and less-than-witty one-line retorts -- if they could present a cogent argument. Give it a shot. :)
Karen @ 133:
Good grief, you people are almost as repugnant as the fundie conservitards in your own prissy smarmy way.
Thsi is why the center is repelled by both extremes.
Chuck @ 132:
Heh, I made an argument. You responded with, Have a cup of STFU, or something to that effect. Are we supposed to take you seriously when you implore others to debate like adults?
Chuck @ 136:
Fear not. There is help for the humor-impaired.
Chuck @ 134:
You could try ARGUING against them, rather than just asserting things.
Karen @ 139:
Oh, and, when you say the "citations" aren't "credible," are you saying Buchanan DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY the quotes listed? Are you suggesting that C&L, the very site on which you're arguing now, lies? What do you mean?
Karen@125;
Ha! I just knew I didn't really have to stick up for you. Good comeback post... Good for you. And you gave the little malcontents their precious little links they were sqealing about... I wouldn't put any money on them actually reading up on anything though....
But I'm just cynical that way.... my bad I guess...
Anyway, regards to you Karen, again sorry if I butted in where I shouldn't, have a nice weekend... I got a band practice to go to now so, I'm out..... have fun ranting away folks... Gee who knew a Buchanon thread on Amato's site would get this weird.... huh!!?? regards and later.............. JD
Bravo, Karen. You have shown why Pat Buchanan has a lot of 'splaining' to do.
Jack Damage @ 141:
You didn't but in at all, Jack. I appreciated it. Thankya. ;)
orcas @ 142:
A lot of "splaining" Are you being racist against Cubans who sound like Ricky Ricardo?
/kidding.
:)
In all seriousness, though, I have listened to Buchanan for decades, and he has always impressed me as a racist. I agree that he tends to be genuine when he speaks, and does not shy from expressing controversial views -- even some of which make very good points -- but his racism is less than veiled.
I hate to be skeptical on this one, but I truly believe that Buchanan is betting on the notion that people have a short memory about his behavior (most recently, telling Black folk to be grateful to White for being in America). But as much as people admire his "truthfulness", consider this an opportunity to save his hide so that people continued to be puzzled over whether he means it or not.
And what is worse from this is that when people present evidence or call him a racist, someone is going to bring up this moment to say that he isn't.
That's all it is. He's only trying to muddy the waters to stay one step ahead of the crowd who calls him out on his BS.
He's that cynical and manipulative of the viewing public. And sorry to say, there are also folks in the audience who would use the same tactic to keep deluding themselves that they are racist and to keep up appearances to the outer word in saying "that they are not".
Just business as usual with Pat Buchanan. Nothing alarming here.
Hi Karen. Nice work. As an aside I'd like to point that the views expressed by Canucknotusa do not represent the views of any significant number of Canadians. He certainly doesn't speak for me. That sort of virulent, holier-than-thou generalised Anti-Americanism gets more attention than it deserves. He usually doesn't post that type of nonsense and I wonder why he chose this particular thread to do so.
Are you freaking kidding me? Nicole often misquotes by single words or subtle nuances but "I stand with Obama!"? Are you serious? You want to try listening to the beginning of that video again people. There's no denying he was being gushingly positive, so why invent crap? Geez!
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