Fractured Party? Ron Paul Holds His Own Convention
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Sep 02, 2008 2:10pm
During the Democratic National Convention, there was not a day of coverage that did not include breathless speculation on how fractured the Democratic Party and how at any time either Hillary Clinton or both of the Clintons would institute some sort of coup de grace and undermine Barack Obama. Chris Matthews, in particular, compulsively spewed as if he had his own Clinton-centered version of Tourette's.
But not one mention that there is a whole other Republican rally going on right now. The one for the true Republican Party fracture candidate, Ron Paul. Why, media, why? The portion I watched on Tuesday had such names as Tucker Carlson, Bruce Fein and Grover Norquist speaking. And let's be honest, it looked far more lively at the Ron Paul rally than it did at the half-full and dispirited Xcel Energy Center:
Almost 9,800 tickets had been sold for the Rally for the Republic, being held in Minneapolis, which seeks to bring together activists who are anti-war, anti-government regulation, anti-immigration, anti-taxes, anti-Federal Reserve, anti-outsourcing, pro-individual liberty, pro-civil liberties and pro-Paul.[..]
Paul, a Texas congressman who failed in a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, considers the rally a celebration of traditional Republican values of limited government - and a poke in the eye of the GOP. They don't plan to crash the Republican party, but to show they and their Campaign for Liberty are not going away.
"No matter how much our message is ignored or ridiculed, as was done in the campaign, no matter how much they did to us, it only energized our grass roots," Paul said.
The rally builds on Paul's presidential bid, in which he set a record for single-day fundraising on the Web and touched a nerve with some disaffected voters, largely in the Republican Party.[..]
But Paul has no speaking role at the GOP convention. He said his staff made overtures to the party, but nothing came of its efforts.
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I caught a glimpse of Ron Paul's future just last week, when I saw a group of Lyndon LaRouche supporters.
I just laughed at them for a bit and continued on my way.
yes, 5 PUMAs with hand-made signs consituted a "movement" at the dnc, but 10,000+ paul supporters aren't worth a mention. there's that "liberal" media agian.
I actually respect the hell out of Paul because he's a true conservative. He shows us what the debate would look like if the neocons hadn't hijacked the republican party. This election should be Obama vs. Paul. Which would be so interesting.
Here’s a video about McCain’s VP selection process. Starts at 1:03:
http://tinyurl.com/5zr47h
I believe C-span covered his convention on one of their channels. Anyone who wanted to see some of it might check C-span's site.
I saw quite a bit of this yesterday. It was more inspirational and easier to stomach than the headliners at the RNC. Funny, I actually had the impression that these people believed what they were saying and knew what they were talking about.
Has anyone asked the good soldier about gays in the military? Since he is still fighting a war that ended in 1975, it's probably irrelevant to him.
For McCain, it seems, every war is a righteous war, whether it's an illegal war or one that we started under false pretenses. What's $10,000,000,000 a month got to do with it? This is a man who believes that one honors dead soldiers by adding more of their contemporaries to the list.
"It's always the old who lead us to the war, always the young who die..." Phil Ochs
I bought a tee shirt that says:
"John McCain
Is Not
My Drug of Choice"
google it for the site.
The Revolution continues and it's gaining strength. The Establishment has been given do notice, the Constitution will be restored one way of another. The Republican party is under going a civil war. The Neo-Con fascist are being called out. Libertarians are taking it back! Freedom is on the March!
want to correct the top poster, this election should have been about Kucinich vs. Paul, either of whom are ilght years ahead of the political opportunist that is barack obama with his support for israel's tough stance on iran, afghanistan and pakistan as well as FISA, iraq war funding, refusal to immediately withdraw troops, etc.... Wake up people, it's CFR wth McCain and Obama
The only "big tent" the GOP has is in their drawers when pale young boys walk by.
Average Guy @ 7:
I hope you win.
boblowe @ 6:
McCain has come out strongly against gays in the military.
Guess that former pilots like him and Bush are still scared of people 'riding their tail'.
kjankjN @ 8:
Goddamn right! Once again, We The People were denied REAL change.
Paul speaks to some very pertinant issues.....
American empire, and it's destructive consequence's to both the U.S and other peoples.
Poverty, fiat currencies destroy the 'non owners' ability to save.
Civil Liberties, without these the U.S is NOTHING.
Well ralph nader had a convention and the clamor was deafening
of crickets.
I like ron paul. I disagree with him, but I disagree with him a lot less than the current republicans. I remember back when conservative meant small government and state's rights.
Boy would a debate between obama and paul be interesting, not to mention civil
What's more frustrating is to watch the media fawn all over Palin. Top story on CNN is about how she is such a reformer. In the 4 highlight points the last point says something like "Detractor says she flip-flopped on bridge to nowhere". CNN doesn't have the guts to look at the claim, verify it, and mention it. Instead they use the negative word "detractor" to cast doubt on the claim. Pathetic. If you want to know why McCain and Palin will be in the White House soon, it's because the media hearts the GOP.
If "Liberals", "Progressives", or "Democrats" were smart they would have crossed over to the republican party early on in the primary season to help Ron Paul win...Rush Limbaugh helped mess up the Democratic Primary, why didn't you all do the same?
You know, I'm tired of how many say the Dems are divided, when it's the Repugs. Bob Barr and Ron Paul are perfect examples. MSM has been avoiding any coverage of these guys.
Ron Paul isn't perfect (who is), but as was said above, he has spent many years of his time in Congress trying to drag the GOP back to what it used to stand for. Even people who disagree with his positions must admire his dedication.
I saw parts of the GOP convention coverage yesterday and was dismayed. NO mention of freedom...what good is "Country First" if you aren't at liberty to live your own life in that country ?
In response to emoboy44, I have to agree. I find Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee to be very likeable people. I disagree with them, but I think they are honest, likeable people. The fact that their own base doesn't like them probably says more about why I like them.
I don't agree with everything Dr. Paul has to say ( for example his stance that nuclear power is what will save us from the energy crisis - what do we do when the uranium runs out? ). I also think he really needs to stop being so wishy washy and get a little fired up. If he's all about the Constitution why isn't he fighting for the impeachment of Bush, a man who has publicly admitted to multiple felonies, and has decided to toss aside any bit of the Constitution he feels like yet still occupies the white house? I would think Mr. Constitutionalist would be the first man in line for the Impeachment vote even before Kucinich himself.
I'd vote for him if he'd run as an independent. But I refuse to vote for any candidate put out by the Republican party. It could be John F Obama Jesus Meyers himself, and I still wouldn't vote for him.
Shhh, no one is supposed to know that the Repugnants are unhappy with McPfailin.
IraqWarVeteran @ 17:
I'd considered it actually.
But unlike Republicans and apparently unlike you, I have a sense of ethics.
Average Guy @ 7:
Good luck with that. Seriously. Too bad that Mr Paul is a white supremecist, but good luck with getting your party back.
Ron Paul is against the WAR that's why he wasn't at the
RNC convention. secondly he is fed up with the
irresponsible spending.....although idealistic i personally listen to paul....he is knowledgable about the economy and is against nation building. during the (R) the republicans shut him down.....they didn't want to be exposed to the masses. he was exposing the (R) party.
yes, i realize he doesn't care for much of the (D) policy
but he was exposing his own party...i give him a lot of credit for that.
P.D. @ 18:
Of course they are... It's the damned liberal media of course!
The real, unreported on, fracture in the Republican party is between McCain and the conservatives. The party's Presidential nominee was unable to pick his own Vice President for fear of a full scale conservative revolt at the convention. Whacked out Conservative Cultists Dobson, LaHaye, Perkins and Norquist literally shoved the loyal kool-aid drinking Cultie-Cutie Palin down McCain's throat.
Do we have solid attendance numbers for the GOP convention? I'm no expert on estimating crowd size but it looked like less than 10K attending. Quite a bit less.
I hope Ron Paul is to the GOP this year what Ralph Nader was to the Dem's in '00. Take it away Mr. Paul!
E in MD @ 21:
Isn't that the truth? I don't think that I could ever vote for a Repube after they've tried to destroy my country.
Mick Piobr @ 24:
He is no racist. That has been debunked several times. You need to get you fact straight. He never wrote those word. His heroes are Martin Luther King Jr. and Ghandi.
IraqWarVeteran @ 17:
Because it is illegal.
What Rush did is illegal.
That bloated gasbag should be in jail.
Texas Democrat @ 28:
It's not 80,000 I can tell you that.
Mick Piobr @ 24:
Shut the hell up. You are sounding just as stupid as the people who portray Obama as an unpatriotic muslim. Paul is not a white supremacist.
Jesse Venturas speech was freaking incredible. I'm ready to get behind that guy right now. I'm tired of Republicrats, the two party system needs to be tossed entirely.
pissed off patricia @ 4:
it was on CSPAN2 last night, it was 100% more entertaining then the Repug's convention and the people were way more energized at the Paul event. But don't get the idea that it's news worthy...Oh, I hear Obama might have possibly said something negative about the breakfast that he ate this morning...He must be an elitist!
I kept switching from Ron Pauls convention to the Republicans convention. Ron paul was far more exciting and substantive.
This morning on Washington Journal the Governor of Minnesota said that all of the arrest of protesters was necessary. All you have to do is look at amy Goodman and her producers arrest to see that was not the case. Juan Cole makes the point about how the MSM has basically ignored these unnecessary arrest. We should contact Washington Journal and ask them to do a segment on the protest and the pre-emptive arrest.
Tuesday, September 02, 2008
Amy Goodman Manhandled, Arrested for Protesting Arrest of News Staff
Thousands of protesters rallied against the Iraq War at the Republican Convention on Monday.
The thousands of protesters were almost all peaceful. I had US cable news on all day off and on, and never saw anything on it about the protests. Some teenager was pregnant, which is not their business or mine, but that was what they were talking about. Protesting the Republican Party's warmongering and lethal corruption for the past 8 years-- a record that has made it impolitick for George W. Bush to attend the conference of the party he still technically leads-- now that was unworthy of public comment.
A few at the rally were accused of breaking windows or throwing bottles at the police. 284 arrests were made.
The press accounts suggest that in some instances police acted overly aggressively (i.e. unconstitutionally), moving in on protesters who were peaceful.
Over the weekend, police seized printed materials and protest plans from some of the organizers and arrested a handful, charging them with conspiracy to commit civil disorder. Gee, you could have arrested Martin Luther King every day of the week on that charge.
That something was very wrong with at least some of the police response in Minneapolis is demonstrated by the arrest and manhandling of Amy Goodman and two of her staff members. They were there as press. They were not throwing anything. I know them, and have been on the show numerous times. They are honest, committed people, and if they say they were wrongly treated, they were.
Over the weekend, Democracy Now! reporter Elizabeth Press had been arrested, apparently for planning to film police response to the protests.
Among those arrested was Amy Goodman (video below), who was later released.
http://www.juancole.com/
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Alexdem @ 1:
Were any Ross Perot supporters there with them?
McCain: Stop questions on Palin background
Ruthless People @ 33:
there were about five african americans in the crowd. The cameras had to keep going back to the same individuals over and over again. Pathetic
Ron Paul Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gKOCb4QBA
Liberal AND Proud @ 32:
But since he was doing it to benefit the Republican party there will be no consequences.
Read the Constitution.
Better yet, read it for comprehension.
Oh right. If you do that, then none of you authoritarian fascists can get the Federal Government to oppress the rest of us.
Where does it say that the Federal Government has the right to provide us with health care?
If you want to use the neo-con cop-out, then you are supposed to mutter something about "general welfare" and "public good". The problem with that argument is that only those powers SPECIFICALLY enumerated in the Constitution are the ONLY powers that the government is supposed to have.
But that doesn't exactly fit well with your plans to get someone ELSE to pay your medical bills, does it?
So you, like the neo-cons, simply DISREGARD those parts of the Constitution that restrict your plans for MY money.
Go ahead. Vote for Obama, and see if it makes a damn bit of difference. Anyone want to make a wager about how many troops we will STILL have in Iraq in 2012?
Bush the first destroyed the Iraqi army, then CLINTON embargoed that nation for another EIGHT, and then Bush the second finished "pacifying" Iraq...
A cynical man might comment on how effective a one-two-three punch BOTH parties delivered.
But go ahead. Vote for "change", and I'll sit back and laugh when it NEVER ARRIVES.
Liberal AND Proud @ 10:
We are and we will. The Neo-Cons are exposed for the first time in history. Unfortunately it's hard to make Democrats realize that people in their party are in co-conspirators as well. Nancy Pelosi, for instance, is no better than George Bush and obstructing justice.
We are being fooled by the left/right paradigm. We must stand together as Americans, once and for all.
The Ron Paul thing seems more interesting than the mainstream "Sharts and Tarts" festival at the RNC.
i live in MPLS and while my sympathies fall closer to the bomb-thowing lefty than a Rand-reading righty, i went the Paul rally to see what the othersides outsiders had to say.
and yes, while the birchers & the endtimers booths didn't do much to bring me into the fold [ugh] the hard reality is that there was more anti-war message in 6 hours of this rally than the entire DNCs of both 2004/2008.
the DNC should be ashamed that they got 'out-peaced' by the sound $ crowd.
Texas@28, I heard that the top tier of the Convention seats are empty. But the cameras aren't allowing the view. I'm not sure if it's true, but I wouldn't be suprised.
Our system is one of total money trumps truth, even studies done by reputable science is being squashed in favor of bussiness of profit for a very few. How many more scandals are we going to over look. Ron Paul stands for free market and would eliminate subsidized farmers, Most of the corrupt republicans are getting something in the way of quid pro quo for thier silence.
The Republican dream of one party rule may actually come true.
Only the one party will be the Democratic Party.
Kathleen @ 40:
Those were the love children of Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas.
P.S.
Ron Paul 2008
Jesse Ventura gave a scathing speech during this convention. Absolutely powerful and patriotic.
This fellow makes more sense than any Repuke I have heard speak!
they don't even say' republicans' at the RNC much anyways. why the party is very different...mostly
fiscally......irresponsible. they're using tax payers $ to acheive their goals. broke down unions so they could get NAFTA moving quicker and have the ability to exploit cheap labor/unregulated working environment/conditions.
there will more of this and the low-middle class working class will only have the bible and their gun to cling to because they won't have anything else or hope.
this is the ulimate nasty treatment to middle class have them dig their own grave while the rich laugh about it.
obama is trying to enlighten people but some fools only know how to dig themselves deeper.
Average Guy @ 31:
as a proud liberal democrat.....i have to agree that was probably a (R) tactic to shut him up and it worked
Levi with a shotgun at his back joins the Palin family for a campaign photo op http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/levi-johnston-and-track-p_n_123...
Alexdem @ 11:
I don't know about mcshame but I'm pretty sure chimpy has paid good money to have boys brought to the WH for that very purpose.
James @ 43:
And if it does, will you take back you're cynicism?
Please people,
Do not watch Sara's Speech tonight. You can catch it on C-span online. Do not give the GOP the ratings
GOP Convention Broadcast TV Ratings Lower than '04, Hillary Last Week
By Michele Greppi
The second day of the Republican National Convention ended with NBC’s prime-time special winning a competition of small audiences.
According to preliminary national data from Nielsen Media Research, the three broadcast networks combined racked up a viewership of less than 11 million viewers, compared with the 14.8 million viewers who watched the networks’ coverage on the comparable night of the GOP gathering in 2004. That's also down from the 12.48 million who watched Senator Hillary Clinton’s call for unity among Democrats last week at that party's convention in Denver.
Two factors are worth noting: Hurricane Gustav's assault on Louisiana had essentially set back the Republicans’ attempts to get momentum by a day. Also, Democrat-turned-Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman’s speech, which closed the GOP show in St. Paul, Minn. Tuesday night, was not expected to be a stem-winder—and it lived up to expectations.
All three networks’ convention specials at 10 p.m. lost viewers from their lead-ins.
NBC averaged 4.93 million viewers from 10 p.m. to 11 p.m., down from an 11.1 million lead-in for summer hit “America’s Got Talent.”
CBS finished second among the convention specials with an average 3.04 million viewers, down from 6.34 million for summer staple “Big Brother 10.”
ABC’s convention hour averaged 2.94 million viewers, down from 3.55 million viewers for summer dud “Wanna Bet.”
All three specials were down from the same night four years ago, when NBC posted 5.14 million viewers, followed by CBS (4.39 million and ABC (4.26 million).
More precise national ratings, as well as cable ratings, will be in later Wednesday.
Check the polls by state, Ron Paul, pulls out, its a problem for Obama.
Ruthless People @ 50:
I'm surprised they didn't think to tag them like endangered sea turtles. For the same reason too. GPS units linked to the cameras would have made tracking so much easier.
Just shows how far down the tubes the MSM Corporate Media has sunk as neocon propagandists. You would think that there would be some degree of sympathy towards Ron Paul's activities, being that he is ostensibly a conservative. Enough to merit some small mention by the propaganda organs? Apparently not. Things have truly become Orwellian, because by ignoring the alternative Republican Convention, they are trying to "non-person" Paul , in the finest traditions of Big Brother's 1984. Just as they tried against Kucinich, Gravel.
Double-plus good, what?
Watching Republican John McCain's campaign destroy itself over his Sarah Palin fiasco is the most satisfying political expose' I've witnessed in 60 years. He's reduced the election to voting for those who believe in theocracy, hate-mongering, religious exploitation and persecution and social elitism, and those who believe in democracy, diplomacy and peaceful co-existence, religious freedom and separation of church and state and social pluraism. In my mind, it really is a good versus evil scenario and there is nothing good about what John McCain and today's perverted incarnation of the Repulican Party are trying to do to our government or to our society.
Ruthless@55, This is awful. Now they are parading them around. It makes me sick. Why isn't MSM offended. I am.
Peter G @ 60:
Two of em looked completely shell shocked, liked they had walked in by mistake and saw a big oak tree with a rope tied to it.
BombasticaMike @ 34:
Do you mean,"shut the hell up" completely?
Or do you mean "shut the hell up" about Mr.Paul stating that 95% of black men are criminals? Or the piece where he said that,"If you have never been robbed by a young black man, you wouldn't believe how fleet footed they are."
I guess that was probably a compliment, hey?
Then there was the small matter of all kinds of anti semitic/white supremecist writings on his newsletter and it's attendant lame excuse that"he wasn't aware of the content of his own newsletter.
To those who might still be unaware: google Ron Paul racist.
There will be a large body of material awaiting you with which you can make up your own minds.
James @ 43:
Your not listenng to obama your listening to interpretation of obama's words.NO disrespect you do
NOT know what you are talking about. you don't seem to understand the political TRANSITION this country is taking.
I also see you don't understand safety nets and democracy. health care under obama will NOT be a true government program. currently people paying for healthcare are paying extra equivalent to a TAX for people not paying for healthcare. the government and private industry corrupted/made it for profit. it's totally broken i know i work in it.
Ron Paul appeals a lot to folks who recognize that the same system that installed (and maintained and controlled) shrub as president will install (and maintain and control) the next president.
Paul supporters know the game is fixed. The election will be a mere formality. As Nader says, one beast, two heads.
Roger @ 3:
This election should have been Dennis Kucinich vs. Ron Paul, both of whom
have the courage to stick to their beliefs.
Obama started off looking promising, but he's become just another panderer.
You don't think so? As but one example, ponder his flipping on FISA, then go
read Glenn Greenwald:
The AT&T Convention in Denver
AT&T thanks the Blue Dog Democrats with a lavish party
P.D. @ 63:
Sara Palin and John McCain will do anything to win including making a spectacle of their own family. That's "pro-family" Chreestians for ya!
I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, and in some cases I agree on the problem I disagree on the solution. I kind of get this feeling sometimes that I think he's right on things but for the wrong reason, if that makes sense. That all being said, congratulations to him and his supporters for pulling off this rally. It sounded like a joke at first, but it's quite impressive. I think I'd actually like to see him at the debates. He wouldn't get my vote, but I think he'd bring a lot more substance to the procedures and he'd really make things interesting. If we need to balance it by adding someone from the left, I'd be up for Kucinich. A guy can dream, can't he?
Paul's party is the one I used to disagree with in the 70's. McSame's and Bushco's is the one I despise!
Let's be a little fair here. Hillary got nearly half the total votes cast in the Democratic primary. Ron Paul got how many?
The fracture isn't comparable.
Liberal AND Proud @ 32:
OMG......it wasn't illegal.....we americans have the right to vote for anyone we want....anyone!!!! Please don't take away that right too.
Interesting:
BYRON YORK (conservative journalist, quoted in Salon.com)
Quote of the day
At the Corner, the National Review’s group blog, Byron York poses a hypothetical worth considering, especially because the right’s pushback on the various controversies surrounding Sarah Palin has so much to do with the reaction by liberals and the media:
Salon.com War Room
Yep. What I’ve been saying all along.
Cue “America the Beautiful” music and flag video backdrop…
“LADI-EEEEEEEES AND GENTLEMEN, LET US NOW EXTEND A WARM GOP CONVENTION FAMILY VALUES WELCOME TO THE YOUNG MAN WHO’S BEEN FUCKING THE GOVERNOR’S TEENAGE DAUGHTER!!!…”
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are today's true mavericks. The least we can do is listen to them both.
Revolutionaire @ 72:
Where is the PUMA convention? Hillary and Obama are similar on policy. Paul and McSame? Not.
James @ 43:
Try reading the preamble. The preamble doesn't exactly say,"To deny any means of getting equitable healthcare." Something about establishing justice, ensuring domestic tranquility, provide for the general welfare...
Brad @ 76:
A couple dozen republican women pretending to be Hillary supporters doesn't qualify as an assembly, let alone a convention.
IraqWarVeteran @ 73:
Excuse me...asking people to cross party lines with the intent to disrupt and prejudice the result of the primary of the opposition party is ILLEGAL.
I say we're going to get a lot of positive changes if obama
gets in office. there are plenty of naysayers...it's much easier to be part of that group....just read the past and
regurgitate it. obama has to play like a chameleon.
there is a lot of money against obama...wall street and k-street don't have obama in theri pocket. he hasn't been their long enough.......the timing is unique for obama to have his own revolution. i personally respect ron paul the timing for his movement is NOT there yet.
there is a change in both parties taking place to absorb
and digest this libertarian philosophy. obama is the clear choice to help empower the middle class with jobs and education.
Liberal AND Proud @ 79:
please inform all of us where you got this information from.....show me the law that was being broken. Please cite your information!
Kathleen @ 36:
Also arrested was Matt Rourke of the Associated Press, not exactly your left-leaning independent media source.
BobbyG @ 74:
tavis smiley brought this up two nights ago on his show while interviewing newt gingrich....the (R) professional hypocrites they know how to linguistically turn what you say to their advantage. look how the bush people
treated mccain and his adopted child in 2000 they fight dirty.....that's our problem we don't.
the democratic party reminds me of the british armies marching and the indians/malitia in the woods waiting for them. democrats don't see/feel word traps. there will all kinds of traps linked to palin
constituent @ 80:
Nicely put.
IN A RELATED STORY....
ron paul, not to be outdone, has run an ad in most national papers:
Wanted BI-SEXUAL handicapped jewish black girl, under 16 preferred but only with parental permission, must be married, have 5 hidden felons in the family, and a husband who carries knitting needles..... OBJECTIVE.... GOP RUNNING MATE
Will accept alternates, but don't get stoopid about it.
I wish someone would ask John McCain about the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident.
IraqWarVeteran @ 81:
I think that the laws differ from state to state about primary voting. In some states you cannot vote in a primary unless you are registered in the particular party for which you are voting - then you are disqualified from voting in the other party's primary.
That's the way Ohio used to be about 30 years ago.
Ruthless People @ 55:
Andrea Mitchell called her "the rock star of the Republican Party".
Rock Star.
And Obama in Germany was criticized for being too famous, too rockstar too ____
Oh for fuck sake.
IraqWarVeteran @ 73:
We have that right in a general election (feel free to write anyone's name in when you go to vote), but party primaries are different. Here's a really lousy analogy: I'm free to buy hamburgers from McDonald's or Burger King (vote Dem/GOP). If I want, I can buy burgers at a smaller joint (vote third party) or not buy burgers at all (not vote). However, I don't have a right as a consumer to demand a seat at Burger King's or McDonald's board meetings (party primaries) to tell them how to make their burgers. I could, however, use my position as a consumer to decide not to eat at Burger King or McDonald's or to fill out a comment card and make a suggestion (petition, letter, phone call, etc.) hoping that either action would lead to changes that I would like. Or I could decide to go work for one of them to gain influence for my ideas at the cost of hamburger joint neutrality (sign up with one party). I could prefer McDonald's but go work for Burger King in hopes of ruining their business (like what Rush wanted to do), but it's not really ethical. Note that even as an employee of McDonald's, I could still buy a burger from anywhere else if I decided I liked it more. Like I said, it's a lousy analogy, but I hope you get my point.
Brad @ 84:
hey brad you probably know this maybe you have an opinion if obama is to change health care..just health care do you realize the positive changes that will happen from that from crime to bankruptcies to jobs.
there are elites and wall street people that don't want it
they rather find opportunities abroad and exploit that
population.
mccain and palin will continue this growing gap in the
incomes/education keep the fear at a high pitch and fill
the churches.
VietVet8666 @ 67:
To add to that, his supporters recognize a system that would be despised by the framers of the constitution and they feel obligated to cut the 2 party system off at the knees and getting back to the fundamentals to freedom.
I believe too that we need to get back to these fundamental principals so that a progressive movement has a realistic, reliable and truthful environment to grow up in.
Mick Piobr @ 87:
Or, ya know, just go with this shorter and more direct explanation instead. Thanks, Mick.
Mick Piobr @ 87:
That still does not make it illegal to change your party affilation and vote in that parties primary on your own accord. Please show me the law that states that I can't do that.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 78:
I think I saw them at one of those "Girls Night Out Sex In the City" gigs.
constituent @ 66:
He cited the constitution for crying out loud. How can you say he doesn't know what he is talking about? See the 10th ammendment. It basically says if the constitution doesn't say the government CAN do it, then the government CAN'T do it.
It's good to hear a politician who cares more about truth and liberty than the Democtrat and Republican hacks running for president now.
Ron Paul Rules!
Thrillhouse @ 93:
In the primaries here, you vote for candidates within your party. If you are an Independent, you cannot vote for a Democrat or a Republican, only the Independent candidate.
Thrillhouse @ 89:
Let me get this right.....your saying that It's illegal for me to change party affiliation and vote for a certain candidate in that parties primary????
That doesn't make sense......As an American I can vote for WHOEVER I want to as long as I am a registered voter and belong to that political party.
Unless you can show me proof otherwise....Even though I hate Rush Limbaugh, he did NOTHING wrong. If people want to change their party affiliation and vote for a candidate to distrupt the system....so be it. There is NO law saying otherwise....
I just got back from some days in conservative, Republican central and eastern Oregon. No Obama or McCain signs or stickers, but lots of Ron Paul. Big ones on barns and in yards. If he's on the ballot in states like mine it's going to cripple McCain I suspect.
Liberal AND Proud @ 9:
Have to admit that was funny, creepy, and true all at the same time.
CMINCA @ 99:
Your right, and what Rush was telling his listeners to do was to change your party affiliation and then vote for Hillary.....I did the same thing...I was a green party member that became a Republican so I could vote for Ron Paul.
CMINCA @ 99:
In my state you can not even cross parties, if you do your vote will not be counted...
IraqWarVeteran @ 103:
Did I do something Illegal.....If so, show me something that says what I did was illegal......if not, then the Rush soldiers didn't do a damn thing illegal, they did something that was smart, yeah maybe unethical, but still smart.....thats what libs, progressive or dems should have done.
But we don't play like that, and we don't win elections
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IraqWarVeteran @ 100:
Oh, no, I'm sorry. I think there was a misunderstanding. You're right. If you're part of a particular party, you can vote for whomever you want to represent that party. I think the issue is that if you sign up as a member of a party so you can vote in their primary (even if it's just to screw with that party like Rush wanted to do), you can't then switch back and vote in another party's primary for the same election cycle (unless state laws say otherwise). So then you have to decide if you'd rather change your party "to distrupt [sic] the system" or be able to vote in the primary of the party you actually like. It seems that most people tend to go for having influence regarding the nominee in the party they actually support. As long as the state rules allow for it, you're free to do what Rush recommended.
constituent @ 90:
I can see that. I hope we can make the transition from disease care to actual health care as those ideas are digested.
Pharmabiz, pushing drugs and promoting illness, tenaciously working at blocking access to nutritional supplements and "alternative" therapies at the global level, makes huge profits pushing lethal products. They have tremendous influence on policy makers.
Did anyone watch Jell-O Biafra trash the Democrats during the Nader rally? Man, he was dead on balls. No one else was saying the things he was about arresting the war criminals, or home owners staying in their foreclosed homes & scaring the crap out of banks & lenders by standing up to them,... genius!
Alexdem @ 1:
Dead Wrong. Lyndon Larouche supporters couldn't fill a sold out Target Center. The RNC convention over at Excel was only half full last night. The Libertarian party has been experiencing steady growth every year. We will only gain in popularity due to increased deficits, increasing taxes, pre-emptive wars we can't afford and the continued attack on our civil liberties. Both the DNC & RNC represent nearly the same corporate welfare agenda.
Do you really believe coke vs. pepsi is a real choice for voters?
The man that should've been president, if he had gotten any fair media coverage (same for Kucinich and Gravel).
I look forward to voting for Jesse Ventura in 2012, someone who will bring real change to Washington instead of the previous four years of the same (from either Obama or McCain).
IraqWarVeteran @ 105:
We've been winning and we're going to win even more. Look at the gains nationally over the past few elections and check out the trends for the upcoming election. I don't want to give up my ethics so my party (technically I'm unaffiliated, but still...) can run against someone I think will be easier to beat. Since I thought every Democratic nominee could go up against every Republican nominee I wasn't too worried. Rush was scared and thought (incorrectly) that he could screw with the Democratic party and sew chaos (and boost his ratings and stroke his ego). At least I think that was the plan. I didn't really give him much attention. I'm not scared like that so I don't see a need to sink to his level, legal as it may be.
Just to preempt any accusations, I didn't mean to imply that you were scared when you switched parties to vote, IraqWarVeteran. I just meant that ass, Rush, was scared.
Thrillhouse @ 112:
I agree, the Dems have been winning, and thats great.....but they need to win the Presidency, they need to do anything to win it, It's that important. The Republicans will do anything, they will break the law if they have to, they will mess with the machines....If the Dems don't play hardball then maybe just maybe we'll get another George W Bush...Is that worth taking the high road???
I gotta tell ya, it's hard to argue with someone who has the governing document of our democracy to back him up. I see a lot of folks saying they don't agree with him on everything, well how can that be? He has the constitution, what do you have? Hope? Change? More like mass delusion.
If you notice the trend that the presidents we get are getting progressively worse!
Reagan, talked a good game but was a real failure (reinvented as a statesman), Bush, started the iraq mess, Clinton, carried on the mess in Iraq, bombed serbia, Bush took it to a new level, invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq... what's coming next folks? because you know, it's just going to be worse than what was before. it's like they're all trying to outdo each other as to who can be the worst President ever. you know, the president should do very little.
Mick Piobr @ 24:
Paul is not a white supremacist, has never given a speech on anything except for equal rights for all, and have never written nor approved any written material that would lead anyone to believe he was a white supremacist. You're just an ignorant man that is so steeped in being a Democrat that you look for any BS to rip on Republicans with even if they're good people that would make far more of a better impact on the country than what your candidate has to offer.
Ron Paul's newsletter, when those somewhat-racist comments were made by his ghost writer, was not being edited by him at that time. He had left the Congress to go back to his practice for a while because he was so disenfranchised with the Republican Party. It was during that time that the newsletter was in the hands of others. While you can blame him for not taking the responsibility to ensure proper oversight, you can NOT blame him for the comments. That is completely farcical, and is the antithesis of what he stands for--the Constitution.
And, if you want to know why Paul never led the march against impeaching Bush, it was because Bush was supported by the majority of primary voters in the Republican Party. His values already conflicting with the base, a combination of that and an attempt at impeachment (which he knew would go nowhere anyways, as Kucinich's is going nowhere) would have made the media go after him that much more and completely destroy him. You're not in politics--he is. He knows the game, and he knows damned well that Bush is a criminal.
Paul's views are in line with where all of our views ought to be--the Constitution. It was carefully crafted to avoid the VERY PROBLEMS that we are experiencing today. No foreign intervention...the result of foreign intervention? Massive debt and blowback. Middle Easterners have great memories, and they don't forget the damage that we've done to them over the past few decades with our meddling. Americans? Not so much...we forget pretty damned fast. See: The Vietnam War.
States' Rights--the Idea of a small Federal Government and more power to the states was to give more power to the people. The more centralized that power is, the more power that few people have to control many. The more decentralized, the more power that the individual has to make a difference and have their voices heard.
No Income Tax and Federal Reserve. The need for social services such as welfare is the direct result of over-taxation that makes saving increasingly difficult, combined with the inflation tax that devalues our money at a rate of approximately 10% each year or more (the REAL rate of inflation, including food and gas commodities). Our dollar has lost 95% of its value since 1913. Shitty deal if you're a time traveler with $5 bucks in your pocket from 1920...1/20 of an ounce of gold was worth a dollar back then. Now, it's 1/800th+. The Federal Reserve is another example of the few manipulating the money. Unelected rich scoundrels benefitting their friends on Wall Street and passing the inflation tax on to those who make the country work--US.
You people ought to be angry. Your presidential nominee doesn't give a shit about your right to privacy, cares more about Israel than he does about America, speaks nothing of sound money and abolishing the Federal Reserve, has already flip-flopped on a number of issues, and is just as hawkish when it comes to foreign policy as that tool McCain.
Go vote Barr in retaliation if anything. Nader maybe...or Baldwin. Anything but these tools.
Tommy Gunn @ 111:
Dude, I lived in Minnesota during the Ventura governorship. Heck, I even voted for him. The guy has no filtration system between his brain and his mouth, which is an asset as much as it is a liability. But he's also a self-involved hothead. He had a great chance to put wheels on a third party, and he blew it by being all about himself. Unless he's matured since then, he'll flame out before the primaries are over. He's a hell of a lot of fun to watch when he's laying the smackdown on intellectual pencil-necks, and I agree with a lot of his positions, but we have enough egotism in Washington.
Michael @ 114:
Paul's anti-choice. No deal. The "Let the states decide" bull$#!+ is dog-whistle politics, pure and simple. As long as he's square with any government having any say over my fertility, he's a hypocrite every time he calls for smaller government.
I watched both the RNC convention coverage, and the Ron Paul convention coverage. The one primary difference I saw was at the Ron Paul rally, they were talking about reality... and honestly, I'm not sure what the f*** they were talking about over in St. Paul. This was quite possibly the biggest circle jerk I've ever witnessed. I've never heard so many meaningless platitudes issued simultaneously.
For such a "racist guy", Ron Paul sure did talk a lot about civil liberties and personal freedom. I don't remember anyone being excluded. You know, I never once heard any mention of freedom or liberty spoken from any of those pompous douches in St. Paul. Ha, and to think, I got a letter in the mail yesterday from the McCain campaign asking for donations... and apparently this guy's new motto is "Country First". I swear to God, I'm having flashbacks to pre-war nazi germany. The neo-cons have had their run, its time that they be purged!
I proudly voted for Doc Paul during the primaries, and I'll proudly vote for Bob Barr this November. Like Jesse Ventura said yesterday, your vote is only wasted when you don't vote your conscience.
Cedric
jesse in a nutshell^^^^ still entertaining however...
cubiclegrrl @ 119:
No acutally, he's anti government telling you what to do. He's right, the federal government should not have juristiction over such matters. I'm pro choice because i believe abortions are going to happen whether they're legal or not. I said it in an earlier post, read or re-read the 10th ammendment. If the constitution doesn't say the government CAN do something, that means the government CAN'T do it.
cubiclegrrl @ 119:
Another person duped by the media. Sex, race, age, and abortion. You have to be kidding me to believe that bull. You're a fool to believe that abortion is nothing more than a divide and conquer method of distraction to the masses. When your rights are being taken right in front of your eyes, you cry "hypocrite"! Amazing! Dr. Paul doesn't want the federal government to have any say over your "fertility" (which is actually a red herring), he want's life liberty and the pursuit of happiness for EVERYONE, regardless of age. But go back to your obama... didn't he co-auther HR 1955, the radicalization and homegrown terrorist act? And didn't he vote yes for EVERY SINGLE WAR APPROPRIATION? haha... fools. You still have a chance. Even the gay community is behind Ron Paul. You should too.
I did hear some talk about this on NPR but that doesn't really count as the MSM and it certainly wasn't portrayed in the way the non-existant-Clinton coup was portayed. Paul should run as an independent.
cubiclegrrl @ 119:
For fuck sake, what's wrong with stated deciding thier own fate? it's how you create competition for your people.. if it's fucked up in california, go to nevada. At the same time why would you leave to chance your liberty by a select few in a small corner of the the country. Asinine.
As far as I am concerned, Ron Paul falls into the same camp as Bob Barr. Both Republicans, falling out of favor with their party seek to do their carnival barking elsewhere.
Both are racist and admittedly so.
(and with Paul's racist opinions, I can't believe that he was/is a doctor. That actually scares me.)
Both have policies that seem to be like "mavericks", but when you peel the veneer off of their swag it is the same old, diatribe which excludes anyone who doesn't look like them and restricts anything that doesn't come across their fancy. They are just as bad as the "Constitution Party" in which they want to revert back to the document the Founding Fathers intended (*as it was before slavery ended*).
It's fine that people are going ga-ga over these guys. But if they do, these folks shouldn't talk about who's the messiah anymore.
I watched the Rally for the Republic on C-Span 2 last night. I listened to both Jesse Ventura (with whom I agreed on every point!) as well as to Ron Paul.
I don't agree with Dr. Paul on every point, but I remember the Republican Primary "Debates"; he was the only candidate that even came close to telling the candid truth.
Dr.Paul may be a one-eyed man, but in a room full of blind men, the one-eyed man is king!
Ron Paul is the real maverick of the GOP.
The awesomeness of Ron Paul makes me wish we had an IRV system (where the voting machines actually worked).
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 126:
Where did Ron Paul admit to being a racist? And where did Bob Barr admit that? I must have missed both. Citing false examples is just plain dumb.
Just a little more on this subject of Paul and racism:
As for Paul's refutation that racism is a "collectivist" action, I disagree. He's passing the buck on the larger issues of race in America Individual racism (beyond the institutional kind) exists. "Colorblind" racism (the fallacy in which people profess that they "don't see a color" to get out of examining their own feelings about race) exists. These two, among other kinds of racism, contribute to the larger social construct of institutional discrimination.
Again, he can "say" that he admires Rosa Parks, MLK and the Dalai Lama. But until he truly walks the walk, and talks the talk then he deserves to be scrutinized.
Michael @ 131:
The New Republic piece in Jan. 2008
An old Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting article about Bob Barr and Trent Lot
And about Barr from our very own Crooks and Liars
That's a small taste on the two men. And regrettably, no it isn't stupid at all. I just thought this was common knowledge.
Dan @ 117:
You are out of line to call me "ignorant" and I call bullshit. I HAVE looked into this, I have seen allegations on both sides and I have arrived at my opinion with the more credible of the information. That is called "an informed opinion" and your allegation is an ad hominem attack thinly disguised as debate.
This is not debate: STFUAH
$ound Money IS the peace platform. Who do you really think funds these wartime mis-adventures?? Do your homework on the history of the Federal Reserve, and you'll understand why Paul has a following. He is virtually alone in Washington when it comes to calling 'Bullshit' on the FedRes, and its century of criminal activity.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 132:
Hussein, racism is just a distraction to the real issues. Get over it, and stop with the straw men arguments. They're ridiculous and make you seem uneducated. Bringing up race all the time creates division. You can't give the group what the individual already has. Scrutinize Obama, and McCain. You'll find a lot more dirt than a flyer Dr. Paul never wrote 15 years ago. How about Obama voting yes for EVERY SINGLE WAR APPROPRIATIONS bill to the tune of 2.4 TRILLION dollars. Stop being foolish and wake up!
Apparently I'm not allowed to say what I'd like.
So just let me have this opportunity to state that I want to bear RON PAUL's children!
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 133:
So you're telling me that if I go read those articles I'm going to come across an admission from both men of being racists?
In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul
issued the following statement:
"The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do
not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never
uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.
"In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that
we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character,
not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S.
House on April 20, 1999: 'I rise in great respect for the courage and
high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of
individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.'
"This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade.
It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the
day of the New Hampshire primary.
"When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a
newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several
writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have
publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention
to what went out under my name."
Cause it seems unlikely that any politician would admit to being a racist without one of the mainstream media outlets reporting on it. I'm pretty sure that would be a big story.
Patrick @ 136:
Just call me Ceci. :)
As for racism being a distraction: it probably is for someone who isn't of color.
Being of color, racism is a real issue the last time I looked.
Are you afraid to talk about race? I bet you are. That's why you'd use an old ad hominem attack to avoid it.
You're not the first. And you most certainly won't be the last.
Sure it does. And the dominant culture benefits from it all the time because of "white privilege" and systemic racism. It's a racket. And to not mention or deny it perpetuates the goodies. It certainly must be nice.
Says who?
Shed your tears for Ron Paul. Somebody has to. Talk about messianic behavior.
Lol. I'm not the one who needs to wake up, with all due respect.
Michael @ 138:
In the case of Bob Barr (and Trent Lott), the CCC is not something you'd sneeze at.
And in the case of Ron Paul, there are several questions I'd like to ask:
1) Why didn't he refute the charges of racism long ago if he felt so strongly against it?
2) Name one thing Ron Paul has done to fight racism, to dismiss white privilege and to promote diversity within and outside the Repubican party. Please list his altruistic acts.
3)What have Ron Paul supporters done to reach out to people of color before, during and after the campaign?
4)Is tying racism (and race) to "collectivism" an excuse to not deal with present-day racism?
the Democratic Party is a lot like a box of chocolates; you're never sure where the nuts are - whereas the Republican Party is a lot like a chocolate fudge sundae, they tend to put the biggest nuts right on top - (I don't consider Ron Paul a nut)
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I would never hit someone with a hockey stick, unless of course, we were playing hockey. Then I swing at anything that moves.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 142:
1. Ron Paul has publicly denounced those statements time and time again. Read my post above. This comes up everytime he runs for Congress. He always wins because people realize it's bogus.
2. He says we should all be treated as individuals not as groups. He says rights are of individuals not groups. Stand on you own merits and not on the backs of others. I'm Hispanic and I met with him and he didn't look down upon me or my questions.
3. I reach out to all Americans as Ron Paul does. Racism is promoted by the Establishment to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of focusing on real issures of life, death, liberty and tyranny.
4. What do you think government should do? Should they be our parents? Lead us by the hand? Make us hug and say sorry? Are all Democrats unable to stand up for individual liberties instead of collective "rights" that only promulgate the problems we face.
I have a questions for you? What has any Democrat besides Kucinich and McKinney done to support the Constitution and the checks and balances on the Executive branch? This is a much more important issue wouldn't you say? You know like practicing the rule of law.
Why the hell was Grover Norquist at Paul's rally, or should I say, why wasn't he tarred and feathered by the attendees?
Grover can pretend all he wants that he is a Libertarian, especially with that 'drowning the Fed govt in a bathtub' remark he made.
But he sure kept the rich and powerful Repubs from drowning in the tub, heck, he made them nice & fat.
Not to mention his working relationships with Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed and a whole slew of K-Street Lobbyists.
If anything, he should be sitting over with the Republicans in their building , rather than trying to save his political ass by hanging with Ron Paul crowd!
Apparently, no one gave Rick Davis the memo that almost 10,000+ supporters of ten-term Republican and former Presidential candidate Ron Paul packed the Target Arena in Minneapolis on Tuesday to attend Ron Paul’s alternate convention called “The Rally for the Republic”. He must not have seen the signs for the event “Calling the GOP back to its Roots”. He must not have heard the speeches that lashed out at the GOP for abandoning its principles of small government and fiscal responsibility. He must not have noticed that many of the RNC delegates showed up to the RNC rally only after attending the Rally for the Republic. He must not have heard the standing ovation after standing ovation received by the likes of Lew Rockwell, Barry Goldwater Jr., Gary Johnson, Jesse Ventura and of course Ron Paul to name a few. One thing is for sure, he didn’t notice that the Rally for the Republic didn’t steal any money from taxpayers to pay for their event either. The event, flights, entertainment, lodging, and everything else were paid 100% by Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty and its supporters.
So, apparently, Rick Davis’s definition of unity does not include allowing a ten-term Republican congressman with a following that generated more financial support from the military than John McCain to speak at the convention. It doesn’t include wanting a man with a grassroots following that produced $10 million in donations over two days on the internet, raised funds to send a "Who is Ron Paul" blimp in the air, got more votes than former front-runner Rudy Giuliani, spawned over 1,300 Meet-Up groups around the world, or energized hundreds of thousands of voters to join the political process for the first time. It does not include allowing a man that could impassion 10,000+ supporters to pay their way to a “Rally for the Republic” for a Presidential candidate that has already conceded the race. Nor does it include the “Big Tent” that the Republicans claim as the shelter of whatever unity he was talking about.
Paul's nuts on some issues; a "libertarian" who hopes to outlaw abortion nationally.
BUT: as the only RePuke who will use the word "Empire" to describe our . . .well, empire, they obviously won't let him speak in front of that seething brew of racists, perverts, & corrupt sleazebags. Respect for "mavericks" my ass!
Good ol' Ron. If it weren't for the fact he's a racist douchebag I'd totally vote for him. I like a candidate who promises to get the gov't OUT of our lives.
Average Guy @ 144:
How far back? Can one trace his stances on race before he ran for Congress?
I appreciate your anecdote and I'm glad that he treated you well. However, it does not explain what he has done to combat racism, either by voting record, career-wise or by voting record.
For example: Since he admires MLK and Rosa Parks, was Ron Paul front and center at the funerals of Rosa Parks and Coretta Scott King? Did he deliver a eulogy at both funerals spouting his rhetoric of helping all Americans and that racism was a collectivist thing?
How? Again, this doesn't explain what has been done. It doesn't explain what Ron Paul does to combat racism or to promote diversity. Is there something specific you can point to?
What have Ron Paul supporters done to collectively fight against race beyond preaching "colorblindism".
In fact, humor me. Racially, which race makes up most Ron Paul supporters?
Racism is promoted by the Establishment to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of focusing on real issures of life, death, liberty and tyranny.
This tends to ignore that racism is in all aspects of the human experience from the individual to the social. So as long as people continue to solely buy into this, they escape dealing with systemic racism, white privilege and personal racism, both at an individual and social level.
That's why I continue think that this is a bunch of hogwash made for people who want to escape dealing with historical and present day racism.
Individuals can develop their racism apart from the establishment (like in domestic venues such as the home, for example). I wonder why Ron Paul forgets that, if he's so into individualism.
The government should truly enforce the laws on the books in order to stop systemic and individual racism. We should also vote in leaders who will truly help enforce the laws on the books to stop systemic and individual racism as well.
But knowing how the three branches are not truly reflective of American diversity, individual and system prejudice from not only some legislators, their consituents as well as their own fears about dealing with race head on perpetuate such problems historically and presently.
As soon we get people to stop pussyfooting about race, then things will change.
What Ron Paul (and Libertarians, by extention) is doing is using escapism and scapegoating to just not deal with race in an honest manner. And boy, from that one individual, a group spawned who believes his brand. Go figure.
Russ Feingold fought in Congress for a censure against George W. Bush. Only a few senators supported him in that action.
Barbara Lee was one of the few Congresspeople who voted no against the war. Her patriotism was attacked. People demanded that she be recalled from her seat.
The members of the Congressional Black Caucus demanded that there be a recount in 2000. They were ignored and ridiculed. Few members stood up with them. And one of them wasn't Ron Paul. I wonder why.
McKinney is running for the Green Party now. While she was a Dem, she fought against Cheney and questioned 9/11 at the very beginning. The right wing (which Ron Paul is a part of) punished her by branding her crazy and ostracizing her when she had the run in with the Capital cops.
So is race. But Ron Paul's stances trivializes it and demeans people who suffer from systemic and individual racism daily.
Thank you for your questions. :)
Correction:
Two lines from my looooong post to Average Guy:
1)" However, it does not explain what he has done to combat racism, either by voting record, career-wise or by voting record."
It should read, "...either by voting record, career-wise or by public stance."
2)"Racism is promoted by the Establishment to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of focusing on real issures of life, death, liberty and tyranny."
This is AverageGuy's line, not mine. I forgot to blockquote it. I apologize for that. :(
IraqWarVeteran @ 100:
It depends what state you are in. When Rush encouraged listeners to cross over and vote for Hillary in the Ohio Democratic primary, he was encouraging them to commit a felony. In Ohio, when you change affiliation you sign a form affirming that you are a legitimate supporter of the party you are joining and supportive of the party's positions. If you fill out that form, knowing that you don't really mean it but are only saying it so you can disrupt the primaries, you are committing voter fraud and in Ohio that's a felony. (Click on my name for link). I think it would be difficult to prove in a court of law that an individual voter's intentions were not sincere in changing party affiliation, but it is technically illegal.
I don't know how other states view it.
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