Brutal: Palin can't name a single Supreme Court case she disagrees with other than Roe v. Wade
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Oct 01, 2008 11:00am
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it does.
Couric: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?
Palin: Well, let's see. There's, of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …
Couric: Can you think of any?
Palin: Well, I could think of … any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today. <!-- sphereit end -->
To be fair, it's probably easier to come up with a case that you agree with, but that's what skilled and smart politicians do: they re-frame the question the way they want to answer it. I'm just afraid that if the question were phrased the other way around, she still would have been stumped. This is what people mean when they say she is unqualified to be (Vice-) President. Just contrast her answer with Biden's and that becomes crystal clear.
(h/t Heather)
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Yeah, but Palin Did Reveal to Katie Her Favorite Supreme Court Judge
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=3671
Katie and Sarah should get their own show together and start a movie franchise like Laurel and Hardy.
Maybe she'll read another one and get back to ya!
I hope the debate tonight isn't so structured that palin's memorized responses are enough to get her through.
Even if you don't know the specific case name, what about the case involving eminent domain (someone v. CT, I believe)?
I'm curious. If Couric had asked her what magazines she DOESN'T read, would she still have been silent? Computer says yes.
But didn't she send out a statement complaining about the Exxon v. Baker decision, which effects Alaska? Or didn't she read it before her staff sent it out?
I wont be able to watch the debate. It'll be way to uncomfortable. This woman is out her league, I'm actually starting to feel bad for her.
Well.. jeez, what do you expect - a professor of constitutional law?
Oh wait..
As Olberman mentioned last night, there was a recent supreme court decision involving a certain oil company that had a certain spill 20 years ago in a certain state that she may know about...
John Thomas has lots of reasons to support John McCain for president.
Dred Scott anyone????
She is just pathetic. An embarrassment to all womanhood. For God's sake, your running for the second most powerful elected office in the land -- get a clue or else do the right thing and take yourself out of the running.
Palin makes my teeth hurt.
RDV @ 7:
I had heard that she issued a statement condemning the decision. Rather surprising, considering it favored Exxon.
SNL this weekend should be classic.
The fairly recent eminent-domain case and some of the ERISA rulings spring to mind as cases that didn't go well. Gore v. Bush, too, though Palin probably agrees with that one.
rick street @ 4:
Perhaps she won't have any trouble---
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/10/08/bulge/index.html
The Caribou was smarter
My five year old daughter watched this clip of Palin being interviewed by Couric and, without prompting, said "Mommy, she looks stupid." I then explained that Palin was an example of a woman that she should never aspire to and that Palin was an example of what happened to girls if they didn't pay attention in school. My daughter grabbed a book and headed for the couch.
Any more doubts about Biden? I didn't think so.
The question should not be, "Can you think of any?", but rather, "Can you think?"
I would rather someone admit they "don't know" or "nothing comes to mind" rather than try to bullshit me.
But what do you expect from someone who wants to go to DC to finally represent Joe Sixpack?
Without committing herself to any side, she could have said. "Well, Katie, I thought Bush v. Gore was a compelling case, in that it was the such first case in U.S. history. All eyes were glued to those proceedings. They were that important to Americans."
BS, but still an answer.
With any luck Biden will be himself and run the bible thumpi' snake handling moose gutting demagogue into the ground.
To hell with the CW that says he has to be cool. She is meat on the table, ge the carving knife.
He should grind her up. When she throws out a "glittering generality" or starts "band wagoning" he needs to call her on it!
Ifell is a tool and can't be expected to do any better than Gibson or Snuffalupicus or Brokaw!
Cravin @ 8:
I don't. And I wouldn't.
She's a fraud. I can't sympathize with that. She's shown zero humility - quite the opposite, she's arrogant. She bullshits. She pretends to know things she doesn't. And she appears to consider her ignorance is a merit!
She could use a good public humiliation.
Catherine @ 19:
That was a very smart---at least Palin's remedial example was useful----
Good work mommy! :)----
She's only interested in issues that affect her base. The far right wing nutjob single issue voters...AKA...LOW INFORMATION voters...
Roe V Wade is the only thing they care about.
And did ya notice her little quip about "overturning" these supreme court decisions she doesn't agree with with?
No sir...I don't like her one bit.
Cravin @ 8:
Never feel bad for somebody that means you harm. If you don't think Sarah Palin is a physical danger to you, your family and the whole world, then you're missing the point of all this.
Of course, what SCOTUS decision could Palin babble about that would actually make sense and not torpedo the conservative stance (as she did with Roe), or reveal herself to be racist as well as horribly uninformed?
I don't necessarily expect a candidate to be a walking law library (though the two J.D.'s on the Democratic ticket would doubtless do fine with such a question).
Leadership @ 24:
I am sure Sarah will Palin comparison to Joe. :)
Katie is more qualified to be VP. This is like Gidget Goes to Washington.
I think these freeze-ups (along with her not naming a source of news) is that she's overwhelmed by the possibilities of what a wrong answer would be. Name the NYT and anger her base, name conservative publications (John Birch Society) and alienate independents and democrats, name People or Reader's Digest and be dismissed by fluff. As participant in the Republican farm team program, GOPAC, she's been well-trained to handle the media, but the national media is a different league.
22 pissed off patricia Says: I would rather someone admit they “don’t know” or “nothing comes to mind” rather than try to bullshit me.
But what do you expect from someone who wants to go to DC to finally represent Joe Sixpack?
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Good point. In sticking with her talking points, her answer could have been "Well Katie, as a Governor and Mayor, I've been focused on the state and local level and have not delved into federal policies and court decisions as much as I would have liked to, so no case really springs to my mind. However, as a Federalist, and if I am so blessed to be the Vice-President, I realize that I will have to study these great historical decisions. With that being said, I do not believe in legislation from the bench, rather I believe in implementing the law as it stands."
Still BS, with the usual rambling talking points thrown in for good measure.
Just ask her for another, any decision made by the Supreme Court, and see if she can get that one.
If you drop all the PC bullshit and all the rhetoric and LOOK at the woman any one with a double digit IQ can see she's painfully UNqualified for pretty much anything. I can't believe she managed to scam her way into a governor's mansion before they finally started investigating her.
Considering Palin is doing such a good job screwing McCain and herself over, I hope Biden completely ignores her tonight in the debate (easy considering the format) and just focuses entirely on attacking McCain.
I just don't get the constant posting of Sarah Palin "issues" on C&L. This is just about the most unimportant, waste of time and space I could think of.
Yeah. Ok..I get it. She's an idiotic unqualified baffoon.
Enough already.
Gosh! Who doesn't have The Big Book Of Supreme Court Decisions on their coffee table? Who doesn't read it from cover to cover picking out which one they agree or disagree with? I think the point is that she gave a long winded BS answer instead of just saying "no".
This may be the most watched event on TV this year.
I can't wait! :)
Johnny2Bad @ 38:
No, i don't think you do get it, but thanks for pretending.
Filthy Harry @ 37:
Yep, that's his best bet. Then if she starts throwing personal jabs at him, it will make her look petty. Keep her defending McCain and too busy to get cute.
Still there is a part of me that hopes Palin just goes completely berserk and pulls out that flute during the debate for old time sake....
Now that would be a debate worth my time....
The only way McCain could have chosen her is if his campaign staff showed him pictures of all the potential candidates and told him to pick the one he thought was the prettiest.
Palin also said she believes that there is an inherent right to privacy in the Constitution. Which, as Couric points out, is the basis of Roe v. Wade. While it's not surprising that Palin is ignorant of constitutional law, it IS surprising that she is ignorant of the wingnut mantra that "there is no right to privacy in the Constitution."
Look for Ifill to ask her about this. I hope.
24 Leadership Says: With any luck Biden will be himself and run the bible thumpi’ snake handling moose gutting demagogue into the ground.
To hell with the CW that says he has to be cool. She is meat on the table, ge the carving knife.
He should grind her up. When she throws out a “glittering generality” or starts “band wagoning” he needs to call her on it!
Ifell is a tool and can’t be expected to do any better than Gibson or Snuffalupicus or Brokaw!
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He should smile and slightly chuckle to her responses, (like the rest of us will be doing).
Guess Mrs. 6 pack never heard of Ledbetter v. Goodyear where Lilly Ledbetter was paid substantially less than her male counterparts for doing the same work. And conveniently forgot her Retardlican friends helped sink the bill that Congress attempted to pass to level the playing field since SCOTUS had their head up their ass. As they said in the movie History of the World, F--K the poor!
Sorry Sarah, but ignorance is NOT bliss. Need an example? Just look at your mentor GWB.
I can name a few off the top of my head:
Marbury v. Madison
Brown v. The Board of Education
Gibbons v. Odgen
Roth v. U.S.
Roe v. Wade
Plessy v. Ferguson
Dred Scott v. Sanford
Loving v. Virginia
Miranda v. Arizona
University of California v. Bakke
She couldn't even remember that the state of Alaska was even involved in SCOTUS case with the U.S. Government. That case was during her tenure as governor!!!!
This woman is definitely a piece of work. Every new interview shows new depths of her lack of intelligence.
Anyone notice that the new neo-con tag line for the debate is that Palin needs to be herself? To be herself like she was at the RNC and in Ohio...why is the media failing to point out that at those two events she had teleprompters? Her on script is being herself they are saying....
Palin strikes me as a true narcissist. She has shown the narcissist's inability to show true empathy in her treatment of her children, especially her pregnant 17 yr old daughter and her new infant. She has also shown this lack of empathy in her treatment of others who she perceived herself having power over. Her firing of anyone who disagrees with her, such as the Wasilla librarian. Her vendettas against any who oppose her. Troopergate.
She also has a narcissist's finely honed social skills. Narcissists replace empathy, which they are incapable of, with a precisely controlled persona of what they perceive to be the most socially acceptable facade in order to control their environment and relationships.
Most of the energy that other people invest in relating to other people and engaging the world, narcissists invest in projecting their facade and controlling everything to get their way.
Because they have no true empathy, they see no need for anyone else to get what they want or need, nobody else's needs are as real to them as their own needs are.
This is also why her issue knowledge is so superficial. The only knowledge she perceives as being necessary is what will get her what she wants: status and control. Real depth of knowledge wouldn't even occur to her as being desirable, only the veneer matters
So when Couric asked her what papers she read, Palin answered in the way she perceived would show her credibility according to her worldview, i.e. it is a good reflection to be seen as being well read, so she said she's read everything. When cornered for specifics, she used her well honed skills to turn the question into a rebuttal of a non-existent attack on Alaska, intended to put Couric on the defensive and change the subject from what she reads to why Couric would imply that Alaskans don't get the same news as the rest of the country.
This answer probably would have worked, probably has worked, in the local realm she is used to, On the national level, it does not work. Couric didn't respond to the attack, she let Palin twist in the wind. Palin probably didn't get that this answer simply made it look like she doesn't use any deliberation in seeking out knowledge.
She did the same with her answer to the Supreme Court question. The answer not only showed her lack of knowledge about truly significant Court decisions, it showed her skill at looking completely non-confrontational even as she turned it into the often contentious question of state's rights, a conservative hot button.
This is why she's good at debates; deflecting and protecting her persona are of vital importamce in her daily life. They are essentiasl behaviors to the narcissist.
She may have to practice showing knowledge about issues, but she needs no practice projecting an image, or turning any question back as an attack on anyone she perceives as an enemy - that's where the majority of her energy is always spent in her daily life, because everyone is a potential threat to a narcissist and NOTHING is as imoportant as getting their own way. They consider not getting their way the ultimate deal breaker in every situation.
It never ocurred to her to turn down running for VP, she is certain that she is entitled and capable. She will never examine or doubt her choices. Anyone who questions her will be an enemy forever.
And if they win, McCain better get a food taster.
pissed off patricia @ 42:
The best part is if she tries to defend McCain it can't possibly make her or McCain look good, cause A. He's undefendable, and B. She's bound to say something incredibly stupid if she tries! And if she doesn't defend McCain, it makes em both look bad too! hee hee!
pissed off patricia @ 22:
The ability to admit lack of knowledge of a particular subject indicates wisdom and humility, not ignorance.
Oh my God...when are the libruls gonna stop beating up on her???? Leave her alone, poor thing...sniff...sniff.
Please note the sarcasm...thank you.
I can appreciate that from the standpoint of intelligence not being there solely for the purpose of humiliating a less capable or lesser-educated person, but Palin had a choice to accept the VP offer or not.
The fact that she and McCain are ready and willing to blame her performance on 'gotcha questions,' and being 'censored' shows not only a lack of intelligence, but abysmally low marks on honesty - classic Bush Administration 'blame others'.
She's not ready for prime time, let alone the vice presidency. And, therefore, McCain isn't ready for the top slot.
Rimshot!
Really, that is a groaner of a pun. wow.
25 Alexdem Says: Cravin @ 8:
I wont be able to watch the debate. It’ll be way to uncomfortable. This woman is out her league, I’m actually starting to feel bad for her.
I don’t. And I wouldn’t.
She’s a fraud. I can’t sympathize with that. She’s shown zero humility - quite the opposite, she’s arrogant. She bullshits. She pretends to know things she doesn’t. And she appears to consider her ignorance is a merit!
She could use a good public humiliation.
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One of Biden's responses should include: "You know, I've been doing this a long time, in fact, as Mrs. Palin points out repeatedly, since she was in second grade. (Chuckle) Mrs. Palin has been a Governor for 20 months, she has no experience at the national level and this series of answers she's provided illustrates she has no real knowledge at the national level, nor even any knowledge as an informed citizen of the United States."
Cravin @ 8:
Just pretend you're watching "The Soup" and all will be good----
(Love that show-must watch teevee)----
"Never underestimate the wisdom of the people." Well, Thomas Jefferson didn't say that (maybe it was George Jefferson). Can't this woman get anything right?
roooth @ 50:
You took the words out of my mouth. Sarah is a very ruthless woman who has to be in control every second of her day. It shows in everything that she does.
Combined with McCain, they both present a pair that if elected, our country is in grave danger.
That's why I keep on saying that I hope people use common sense in this election.
functionally illiterate
citizen_pain @ 10:
yeah... you'd think she'd know about that one... I guess she doesn't disagree with it though... :)
Wait a minute that was just gattcah journalism and that anwers would have won have won her the miss america crown.
Alexdem @ 25:
This is what I've been saying for days. I want Biden to mop up the floor with her. I want the debate to be SO bad for palin that the reslugs will be as embarrassed to mention her name as they are dumbya's.
I would love to see this debate expose her as the pathetic walking joke she is. I want all her answers to be as ridiculous and pointless and rambling as all her couric interviews have been. I want to hear actual BOO's coming from the audience when she speaks and just LET the reslugs whine about it the next day. LET them. They are the ones that accepted this ridiculous dimwitted douche bag as a candidate. May the debate finally bring those chickens home to roost at their door.
If they've got a problem with an experienced, intelligent politician turning their cross eyed, moose in the headlights, idiot into chum then maybe they should have thought of that before they allowed mcsame and his handlers to force this joke on their party. If they've got a problem with her performance then they need to look at HER and not immediately start whining at the world for being "mean".
And if they want to start THAT crap we need to start playing all the clips of all the incredibly misogynist, cruel, heartless shit they have been shoveling at Hillary Clinton for decades.
Fuck the reslugs and fuck caribou barbie. I hope she gets eaten alive on stage.
I wonder if anyone is taking bets on whether or not she'll start crying on stage? I'm kidding. She'd have to have a soul for that to happen.
Filthy Harry @ 37:
Yes. This should be the approach. With this format, I don't think we're going to see a complete trainwreck. All she needs to do is understand the topic in the question and recite the garbage talking points Lieberman taught her. Biden should followup by hammering on them.
Wonkette is having another debate drinking game which is apparently starting early (like now).
Nada @ 36:
Yeah, that's exactly what I think too... she scammed her way to where she is and she's woefully underqualified, hell she's downright unqualified for the job. Pitiful! Shows what lying, cheating, and fraud will get you, huh?
This interview is cringe worthy. My husband was dumbstruck. He could not believe she couldn't think of one case. Then he laughed because he could name at least three, and he doesn't follow politics at all. He truly believes Palin is a total ignoramous.
Palin is over her head...in the wrong league. I don't care
if Palin gets bye in this debate tonight or not.
* doesn't know BUSH doctrine
* nonsensical answer about Putin/Russia
* didn't or won't give a specific answer what she reads
routinely
* answered a question about military strategies within
Pakistan
*NOT doing media interviews
*nonsensical answer regarding energy
* Palin said she would become a counselor regarding
a minor age girl being raped by father regarding the
pregnancy vs. answering right to abortion
sorry this is NOT a person to provide governance on a
national level
38 Johnny2Bad Says: I just don’t get the constant posting of Sarah Palin “issues” on C&L. This is just about the most unimportant, waste of time and space I could think of.
Yeah. Ok..I get it. She’s an idiotic unqualified baffoon.
Enough already.
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I think there is a fear, rather a terror, on the left as well as the right that this woman could be president one day. She could be the leader of the free world. We dread the theocratic society she would form, the perpetual holy wars . . .
Legally Blonde (11) hit it on the head: Dread Scott. ANYONE who paid attention in 8th grade civics should KNOW that decision was a disaster and one of the greatest blunders in the history of the supreme court.
Interesting that she couldn't even think of the Exxon vs. Baker case that was all about Alaska and it's suit against Exxon.
I'm with POP on this one, I'd much rather that when asked a question a person does not know the answer to that they just say they don't know.
Bullshit is Bullshit and should never be used instead of Truth, which seems to be hard to come by in the GOP.
jeff Says: I think these freeze-ups (along with her not naming a source of news) is that she’s overwhelmed by the possibilities of what a wrong answer would be. Name the NYT and anger her base, name conservative publications (John Birch Society) and alienate independents and democrats, name People or Reader’s Digest and be dismissed by fluff. As participant in the Republican farm team program, GOPAC, she’s been well-trained to handle the media, but the national media is a different league.
This is exactly what I was thinking Jeff. She's walking a fine line right now and it looks like she's going to trip and fall. Personally, with all the ridicule she's getting from both sides it is beyond me that she can continue to offer herself up for such continued and relentless public humiliation. I'd have stepped down long ago. How embarassing for her and her family.
We can laugh and snicker all we want about Palin, but I consider her presence on the ticket a danger sign, a huge red flag.
No, she's not just appealing to evangelicals. She's turning off other republicans with her cluelessness. Her extreme ignorance will cause thinking republicans (and there are a few) to vote against their own ticket. You need to ask, how could the Palin ticket even win?
Because sites like C&L are the new mainstream media, you folks need to dig deeper as to the real reasons Palin is on the ticket.
The 3-ring circus we're seeing during these interviews mask something else, and only investigation is going to lead to discovery.
She IS qualified. She is at least 35 years old, and a natural born US citizen. That's what the US Constitution has as qualifications.
May God help us all if she actually gets the job.
OMG!
Guardian UK: Pakistani president earns fatwa by flirting with Sarah Palin
i really like how biden was asked teh same questions so we can compare.
also, people are really putting the pressure on SNL! everytime something new about palin comes out, theres always a few people saying "oh boy I can't to see what SNL does with THIS"
It just gets better and better.
Who does she think she's kidding anyway?
This ain't the sticks, Palin. We KNOW you are full of shit!
I see that her numbers are dropping faster than daughter Bristol's jeans on a date.
MSM is going on how confident she is. Who friggin cares! Bush was confident too, and look what happened when he got in office. If you ask me, anyone posting here has much more sense than Palin. Whether they are confident or not.
Oh come on!!!! I'm not even an American and I can name some cases.
Is the abortion issue the only thing she can keep in her head?
they should play the video about her russia and putin
answer to couric's question about russia. after playing
the video replay they should ask biden what she meant
then ask palin what she meant....that will be the end
of this....bs
Its probably been mentioned but KO talked last night about a Supreme Court decision that Palin should've easily named and that was Baker v. Exxon on the fine Exxon had to pay for the Exxon Valdez calamity. She actually did disagree with the Court's findings and is on the record for that.
I don't think the debate will be too exciting. It is too formatted and structured. Palin will give her talking points, Biden will give his, and it'll be over. The only thing that will probably be discussed tomorrow is that Biden gave specifics, and Palin did not.
And of recent history, wouldn't she remember Bush v. Gore?
No one forgets that case, ever. It was the decision that put the country in this horrendous mess in the first place.
roooth @ 50
Wow did you hit the nail on the head! I'm one of four children who have a parent who is a narcissist. It takes a while as adults to realize that we and the spouse were just pieces on a chessboard to them. To a narcissist all other human beings are just toys to be manipulated. A narcissist is a closed system that another human being cannot not enter.
she's like a shiftless high school student bluffing her way through answering a question. you yankees are in trouble just by having the twit on a major ticket. so is the rest of planet. thanks for that, mr. mccain.
The McCain camp and surrogates already are suing the "liberal" media defense claiming Gwen Ifill is in the tank for Obama. So it doesn't matter if Palin doesn't utter a word at the debate tonight, the whole Palin strategy is to actually gain votes by presenting a woman under attack by those vicious "liberals". The strategy actually uses Palin incompetence as an advantage, hence every time she looks like she doesn't know what the hell she is talking about (every day) the surrogates go on the attack and call it "gotcha journalism" and "sexism".
We'll see if it works. If there is any party in any country in the world who could use someone's incompetence as an advantage, we'll just look at the White House. We are a country of citizens who would rather be told what to think (existential alienation gone wild combined with an educational system which focuses on memorization rather than critical ananlysis), and we have a corporate media whose financial interests are tied to keeping their ever-expanding corporate empires in control, so you do the math.
Let's hope there are still enough people out there with at least a shred of critical thinking remaining.
No thinks.
http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=4792
wow......one foot in the trailer park and the other in
capitol hill
replay that putin/russia response video....she would
be done when people see that
As Governor of Alaska, I'm sure that her daily traverse of the city has brought her within view of the Alaska State Courthouse. She MUST be an expert on the law.
rick street @ 4:
I just don't want to see another wire pack shaped "anomaly" strapped to her back through her jacket like dumbya had. Because you KNOW they aren't going to let caribou barbie go out there without some kind of cheat. Reslugs may be pretending to like her but they're not stupid even if she is. They'll wire her up and feed her answers and like others have already said no matter how bad it goes at the debate they will announce she won.
Reslugs don't let reality stand in the way of their fantasy world. Ever.
That's why they think things like "Mission accomplished" and "the surge worked" are true.
OK...a weee bit OT...but I need to hear some opinions on this...my sis is FREAKIN out over this shit...
Anybody?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20901.htm
[Please tell her to calm down. Panic doesn't solve anything. Neither do OT posts-Sitemonitor]
Palin's key phrases tonight will be: "liberal", "extreme liberal" and "the most liberal" and she will use them over, and over again.
I hope Joe responds. It's an easy one. Look where "unliberal" conservatives have gotten us in the last 8 years!
Why should abortion be a state's-rights issue? We hear it over and over and over again from the conservatives, but we never hear why.
My theory is that they know it would be easier to win on social issues at the local level than at the national level. They forsee an America in which the recognition of one's civil rights varies depending upon which state in which one happens to reside. They don't want to see absolute human or civil rights, particularly if it means that they cannot force their own religion, morality and politics on everyone else.
The next time Palin spouts one of these talking points, I hope that there is at least one responsible journalist that will ask her why instead of just accepting her hollow words.
I'm sorry, but the flak Katie Couric is getting from the right is out of place.
Couric is nice to Palin. Gives her every opportunity, in what seems to be a very comfortable setting, to answer the questions. If Ms Palin can't get the answers out in this type of questioning - it has to prove she doesn't have the answers. And that's ok, to not know the answers, we can't know everything.
But for the Republican Party, and in the end America, to accept Ms Palin as the best person their party has to offer to represent their party, and America, is embarrassing and at the same time disheartening.
As Republicans openly do business with Communist China, the Government bailout of business, George Bush's republican government spending, I have to ask, what does the Republican Party stand for?
With all of these hallmarks of the Republican ideal being crushed by business interests, the only day in and day out mantra I hear is the party being against abortion and increasing the relationship between the church and the state.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 82:
Bingo!
They edited this part out:
Palin: "The one where Judge Wopner tells the old lady that she needed to keep her dog inside her fence and pay her neighbor for the bushes her dog dug up. I thought that was unfair to the old lady because she was old."
Jonathon @ 92:
I too was waiting for Couric to call her on this. But not too long...
Remember when Americans could speak in coherent sentences?
That's pure logorrhea.
McCain can speak eloquently when he wants to, but when he's in a pickle, he, too, descends into fractured spin that sounds like English but doesn't parse.
I love Obama's English. It's beautiful [Deleted. You may be joking, but I'm not reffing a flamewar because of it-Sitemonitor]
Catherine @ 19:
Right on, Catherine! Kudos to you and your daughter!
Catherine @ 19:
Sarah Palin - a good bad example.
Palin doesn't have the tools and knowledge base to
become commander in chief. obama has been a state
senator and a u.s. senator. obama knows law teaching
law on a high level.
to compare palin to obama is a joke. I give Palin some
credit though.....but I do wonder how is she raising
and nurturing a Down Syn. newborn?
fastfeat @ 94:
Oh SOME forget...they're the ones who scowl disapprovingly when I bring it up.
"Joe v. The Volcano" ...?
So lets see what could have been on the top of her list of cases she disagrees with:
Brown v Board of Ed - The schools were much better when whites had their schools and so did blacks!
Miranda v Arizona- Criminals should have no rights and neither should terrorists. In fact if you don't do anything wrong you don't need rights either.
Marbury v Madison- Why should those elites on the Supreme Court be able to review laws made in congress. We need to let the people rule this country. When we are elected I'll err I mean we will put Joe Six-Pack on the Supreme Court or maybe Monica Goodling she seems average.
Come on try it. It's fun to think like the Palinbot.
I can name one I don't agree with: Bush v Gore, December 7th 2000.
My favorite:
(Palin) But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy . . .
WTF?!?!?!
MountainMan23 @ 74:
It's not really unexpected or much of a big deal (once you get past the "Satanic Verses" connotation, which had more to do with Khomeini's stature and fanatical following rather than his commands taking the form of a fatwa)
A fatwa is just a legal opinion of Islamic law. A sort of religious edict. There are enough ultra-conservative muftis in Pakistan for at least one of them to issue a fatwa; it would likely have happened even if he'd only shaken hands with her. On the positive side, most Pakistanis are more liberal than that and don't care. I think more of them were offended by the fact that he appeared to be flirting with a woman so soon after his very popular wife's death.
surf (hussein) jac @ 80:
Let's not forget the date of the decision: June 25, 2008. Yes, just less than 100 days ago. There is video of the response that Pain has completely forgotten here. She's put Alaska completely behind her, I'd say.
One other thing: it is very insulting, for a woman, that the format has to be dumbed down to suit Sarah Palin. She's been in debates before.
As a woman of color, it is even more insulting that they employ white privilege in this. If a well-versed woman of color had to debate a white male, no provisions would be made. Believe me, they'd be waving the "myth of meritocracy" crap to high heaven in her face up until debate time.
(What has happened to Gwen Ifill can give one a taste what they would do to a woman candidate of color, for example)
But instead, Sarah is held up to that pedistal so high that even her blunders are excused in an all-in-all attempt to "protect" her womanhood.
If Sarah makes it, can you see this woman even preside over the Senate when trying to break a tie? What can she bring the table?
liberalNmoderation @ 90:
OK will do.
:)
[Feel free to ask this same question in an open thread. I'm sure you'll find many are in the same boat as you are-having freaked-out friends and relatives-Sitemonitor]
Roooth, excellent write up.
I have at least two major narcissists in my family and your comments are spot on.
One has BPD and she is very very good at implying or inferring that one has attacked her in order to justify her aggressive responses to whatever situation has presented itself. SP did this with the Alaska is not a foreign country comment. No one said that, no one was even going there, but she took it there to look valiant in defending Alaska, as you pointed out.
Her Joe Sixpack routine has been preempted by Prez Sixpack himself. So no thanks. We already did the trailer park president thing. We already did the powerful VP thing. didn't work out. sorry.
I think she is going to martyr herself in this campaign to get visibility for the future. she is very shrewd if not well read.
Here are some soundbites to fend off Sarah Palin:
rape kits
dead wolves
banned books
constituent @ 100:
A better question is how does she plan on raising it if she's vice president and spends all of her time running the Vice President's branch of government.
Watch it, this could be a trap for Biden. Dumb her down in interviews and sparkle in the debate.
liberalNmoderation @ 109:
BTW...will C&L have a thread on this? Or have you already, and I missed it?
Reply to LegallyBlond..........sounds like your blond roots go too deep!! Come on, Sarah Palin is a great person and has performed extremely well as Governor, with a record 85% Approval rating! Can either of your two bombastic candidates say that? As a Dad of 4 daughters and husband of 28 years; your comment of offense to 'womenhood' is ridiculous and plain stupid! You damn feminists truly insult the gender woman, or do you think there are more than two genders? Sarah Palin is a fine person, and what has she done to you? Maybe deep down you're actually envious of a woman, who looks like she has it all, and still is a beautiful, articulate and well-respected mother, wife, friend, and oh yes, Governor/CEO!! B.Hussein, and JoeBlow Biden can't match that!
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein 48
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Every journalism school I know of teaches a course in journalism and the law, specifically as how it relates to the first amendment. Sarah Palin supposedly has a degree in journalism and she cannot even site a first amendment case?
Free Speech?
How about Freedom of Religion?
She's pathetic.
Roe v. Wade, must never deviate from Roe v. Wade.
Rooth @ 50: Very interesting. My former b/f Roger was a narcissist, so I can relate! I'd have to be around Paleo in person to get a true sense of what she's like.
If what u surmise is factual, it bodes well for Biden, cuz he's personable, real, approachable, twinkly-eyed, and funny. He also cuts to the chase. Her BS won't go far w/him.
49 Ben Says: Anyone notice that the new neo-con tag line for the debate is that Palin needs to be herself? To be herself like she was at the RNC and in Ohio…why is the media failing to point out that at those two events she had teleprompters? Her on script is being herself they are saying….
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Yes. And with that being said, I think our tag line should be "Let Biden be Biden."
roooth @ 50:
The fact she gleefully kills other living things without batting an eye is also chilling. A true lack of empathy for other creatures -- including people. Remember, it's "God's will" that we're slaughtering innocents in Iraq.
Palin is very good at debating men because she uses an age old trick. Hitting the guy and provoking him when no ones lookin' and then when they defend themselves, she'll go all "oh my god, he's attacking me!" and act the victim/martyr.
It's a bullshit act.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 108:
you make a very good point....let it be known that
many of us are aware of this. gwen ifil is very respected i'm waiting to see how she does and how she
is critiqued
E in MD @ 111:
Historically the Vice President's job has been to be ready if the President died or was incapacitated. Cheney has not been running the Vice Presidency, he has been running the country.
To LCforevah@83
Props is right.
My family too. Sometimes you see a family like Palin's and you just know the incredible damage going on at home.
My big clue was that whole thing about her going to Texas to give a speech towards the end of her pregnancy, (36 wks), and her water broke prematurely with a baby she knew was a special needs baby, and she still gave the speech and then lied to the airlines and flew 8 hours back and then drove past hospitals to have that baby where she wanted to have it.
If she had lost the baby she would have played that like a violin, with great big crocodile tears.
Its hard for people who haven't lived under someone like that to know what it's like. You live feeling like you're always walking on eggshells because you never know what will set off one of their rages. And it doesn't matter if you're their child; cross them, or try to act independently of them, and you are their enemy too.
We're all just props in their play.
Apparently Bristol is trying to get out to some extent. Getting knocked up probably looked like a good escape route. And she apparently is refusing to get married the way her mother wants. She's about 6 or 7 months along now, isn't she? But no marriage yet.......probably because her mom can't figure out how to use it to her advantage yet, because it's all about Sarah to Sarah.
CMINCA @ 115:
It is even shameful that she couldn't even bring up the Pentagon Papers case: New York Times, Co. v. U.S.. That is a seminal case in media law. It has to do with the freedom of the press. O_o
So one has to ask, what was she doing all that time switching from college to colllege?
Widespread @ 98:
WTF? I'm not joking at all. I am a professional translator, and I know beautiful English when I see it.
Jonathon @ 92:
New to US politics? Yes, of course that's the case.
The rule is: If you want to change something regulated at the Federal level, but can't win it at the Federal level, then you try to bring it down to the State level. (except for in a minority of cases when they really do believe it's a state's rights issue) This is in no way unique to Republicans. Democrats do it all the time too, for instance in the question of gun control and gay marriage.
Ben @ 49:
I've thought that too. The problem with Palin "being herself" for the debate is that this is a debate in front of the entire country, where you are trying to court the undecideds. Palin being herself is just red meat for the base, and that's not going to sway anyone who's not on board.
"Having lived in Alaska in for five years I know the spirit of the Alaskam citizens. They are a rugged people with frontier America values. Ms. Palin is our silver lining in a very stormy dark wall cloud above Washington D.C.
It is my view that God has given this errant people of his another chance in the form of Sarah Palin. If anything we should be in prayer for her success tonight against the real evil in the country, liberalism and the Washington establishment that is selling us out for personal gain. Let's direct some of that righteous indignation against the current establishment and their fat cat special interest friends that got us into this mess."
For more gems like these, and most are more disturbing to me than this one, go have a look at the responses to Kathleen Parker's latest column where she responds to the vitriolic threats she has received since her column calling for Palin to step down.
It's a whole other world out there!!
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 124:
Same thing she is doing now; running from the facts.
Sarah Six Pack is just another sick Duke Rove joke.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 108:
I don't think it has anything to do with her color. It has to do with the fact that the Republicans want this election so bad they can taste it so they're willing to do anything to do it. Even if it means putting some dumbass a heartbeat away from the President's seat.
As far as her sex that's just right wing BS. I don't like Hillary but, Hillary Clinton wouldn't have been backing down from her debates nor would she be forcing them to be dumbed down. Unfortunately in this context Palin can't hack it because ultimately she's not smart enough, she's not well informed enough and for all the wingnut protestations about Obama's level of experience ( which is actually more than Clinton ), Palin's not experienced enough either. None of this has to do with her sex. It has to do with desperation on behalf of her party. They're trying to give Skeletor something to contrast him.
The first female governor of Arizona held office for six years. She was a Republican by the name of Jane Dee Hull. McCain obviously knows of her. She was a conservative, a teacher, and by all accounts a pretty smart one. McCain could have picked her and everybody wouldn't have had a problem. The only thing she didn't have is the age factor. So instead of picking based on experienced, they picked the Barbie doll.
So it's no wonder they're trying to dumb things down. They're panicking.
Madd Maxx @ 115:
Oh, give it a rest. Moosegirl is a lightweight and a fraud. And, as another poster so seamlessly pointed out, a malignant narcissist.
What has she done to me -- or us? Nothing yet -- other than insult our collective intelligence. If she somehow takes office, then the real injury will begin ... not only to the U.S., but to the world at large.
She's a clear and present danger, pal.
50 roooth
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Exactly spot on! The religious aspect of being on a mission from God, that grandiose notion that she was chosen for this mission is also illustrative of that narcissist persona.
She certainly does not like to be confronted our exposed. You can see in her flushed cheeks that she is angry and wants to attack. (Remember when Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine and she replied quite hatefully "in what respect, Charlie".
Sarah has gotten her way for much of her life, primarily because she has a degree. What her grades were, we don't know, but she has a degree and with it she can excel in a non-competitive environment such as Wasilla, where the average education is 10th grade.
The October surprise, among other things, will be the TrooperGate report.
"Widespread Says: My favorite:
(Palin) But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy . . .
WTF?!?!?!"
Don't try to parse that statement. If you do, your skull will collapse and your brain rendered to useless puddle of goo.
To Constituent 100............your shallow comment demonstrates once again; if a Liberal cannot debate on substance, they attack on some personal thing. And, your personal comment on Governor Palin's child disgusts me and millions like me! [Wow. I did not expect the demonstration of what you are dissing our posters for it the same sentence. and the following sentence. Hypocrite much? I thought so-Sitemonitor] You just showed yourself to be a hateful idiot! Plus, "Governor" Palin's experience of being a CEO overshadows either of your candidates! Biden is just a pompous 'ol school political hack and B. Hussein, is so damn liberal, they had to extend to political spectrum to the kook-fringe to accommadate him, and of course people like you! Oh yes, don't forget John McCain's experience and voting record, once again, overshadows your boys. He is and will be the best qualified person to be President! Obama is a phony, and a filanderer of criminals and radicals! Don't you people get it or see thru it? Or, you're blind!
[You sound a lot like Mel Gibson. Coincidence? I think not. Let's not feed Troll Gibson here, everyone-Sitemonitor]
See Sarah Palin speak in tongues... Scary stuff...
But seriously, we see babbling incoherence... "The Base" sees charm and inappropriate questions. Can their expectations really be so low??
howch @ 113:
NO.....Palin may do fine tonight with talking points and
zingers....that does NOT work with media questions.
the debate and media question are very different. that was
the real Palin during those media interviews. this debate
will be work better for Palin. it's timed and she throw out
her jabs that have nothing to do directly with the question
Watching this lady struggle with standard high school U.S. history questions is like seeing an elderly person fall on a icy winter Michigan avenue street here in Chicago. Grandpa's pick of an abject moron for GOP VP is a deal breaker....this race is over......that's why most of the trolls have retired to their bridges.
CMINCA @ 116:
Dude.. She supposedly has a degree in journalism and couldn't cite an example of a newspaper/magazine she reads regularily!!
Patty @ 71:
Looking at some recent clips of Palin and you can see the apparent stress is showing on her face. She looked really tired.
Even though the very thought of Palin's possiblity of being a VP is enough to scare the hell out of a reasonable person I was thinking she really has too much on her plate. Palin's got five kids one of which is an infant that needs special care. I raised two healthy children while I worked full time. Both of them are now reasonable, caring, and responsible adults. That is truly no mean trick. It is the one only accomplishment that is worth anything in this world.
I'm truly wondering if Bristol's current plight is the tragic outcome of her mother's ambition...
THAT was PAINFUL... or should I say PALINFUL?
While I understand the furor about Palin, I sense a sad lack of love for Biden - he was excellent in this clip: precise, relaxed, knowledgable, opinionated, and likable. If the debate is ANYTHING like this, it should be a (dare I say it?) slam-dunk for the Democrats. And that's what scares me - the Republicans know Palin's weaknesses just as well, and have a contingency plan or two...
I doubt she's a fan of Gitlow or Abrams v the United States, Tinker v Des Moines, Brown v the Board of Education, Marbury v Madison and Griswold v Connecticut
constituent @ 121:
Thank you. This point has quietly bothered me throughout the campaign.
As a result, I'll be watching tonight, constituent.
There's going to be a lot of underlying issues that will come out in the debate dealing with race and gender. It'll also be a test for both Biden and Palin about how they will deal with a person of color who is in authority during a highly pressurized situation (despite the GOP's attempts to derail Ifill's position and power in this debate).
134 Liberal AND Proud
The sound of one brain slipping?
If I was Biden I would remind all of us that McCain said recently 'the economy is fundamentally strong'...hit the
mccain/palin campaign about the economy.
remember Palin raised taxes in alaska on oil company profits.
sarah palin's favorite movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHzUCAuggeg
Come on, I'm from a small hicktown in michigan (less than 400 people) and I can at least remember BROWN VS. BOARD OF EDUCATION.
66 right on! Says: Nada @ 36:
If you drop all the PC bullshit and all the rhetoric and LOOK at the woman any one with a double digit IQ can see she’s painfully UNqualified for pretty much anything. I can’t believe she managed to scam her way into a governor’s mansion before they finally started investigating her.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I think too… she scammed her way to where she is and she’s woefully underqualified, hell she’s downright unqualified for the job. Pitiful! Shows what lying, cheating, and fraud will get you, huh?
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She became major in the Christian issues ticket. She was too incompetent to actually BE the major, so an administrator was hired to do her job for her. This is the politicizing of faith that the radical religious right has been poisoning churches with.
Her campaign for Governor was equally dirty. She ran against someone who actually supported her.
I started to feel sorry for her until I heard her spouting off about Biden being around since she was in second grade. She is a class A cun*. And that is coming from me, a woman.
Sorry for the language, but sometimes there is just no other useful word that captures the essence of a person.
Anyone still willing to defend Palin as a vice presidential nominee, has to be an ideologue of the first order. Someone willing to do anything to get their agenda brought to the front rather than someone truly putting their country first.
John McCain, I'm looking at you.
Even if McCain/Palin lose the election, the name Sarah Palin will live on.
Every Wednesday at Trivia Night.
http://www.wilytrax.com
Oh please! For anyone who has doubts about Joe Biden because he's debating Miss Nobody Half-Baked Alaska, Joe Biden won EVERY primary debate against Clinton, Edwards, Richardson AND Obama. Every single one! So he's supposed to be worried about Sarah Palin?
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