Don't you just love right-wing ads that exploit children's innocence?
By David Neiwert Saturday May 23, 2009 5:00pm
The National Organization for Marriage already has quite the track record for its misleading and bizarre ads about gay marriage.
But this latest really takes the cake: It features video of young children who have been coached to voice their confusion about the ramifications of same-sex marriage might be.
As Michelangelo Signorile put it to Laura Ingraham on The O'Reilly Factor the other night:
Well I think that using children for any issue, I agree with you, is exploiting them. I think it shows a desperation on the part of the people who are opposed to marriage for gays and lesbians. I mean, they're losing at a swift pace, there is state after state making marriage legal, and now it seems like this desperate attempt to drag kids into it, when in fact, all of the polling shows, the younger people are, in terms of young adults right now, even among Christian evangelicals, the more likely they are to support marriage for gays and lesbians. So it's desperate, and think it's also, it betrays what's going on in the country.
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When they grow up barely out of childhood conservatives will send them off to die in an oil war but for God sake, don't endanger them by exposing them to gay marriage!
It almost seems as if the GOP's religious auxiliary takes a perverse pride in sending kids off to die ad majorem gloria Halliburton (or insert your favorite political corporation here).
For such people, life begins at conception and ends on a battlefield in some useless imperial war.
cuz they live with you
Moral values dont change?
REALLY?
WTF?
Slavery anyone? Women's rights anyone?
Exactly what I was thinking.
How about segregation?
How about Interracial marriage?
OK, all these are probably bad examples because Republicans' moral views on these things STILL HAVEN'T changed ......
As Oscar Hammerstein wrote 60 years ago in a similar context, "You've got to be taught to hate and fear... You've got to be carefully taught."
Since when does getting married explicitly imply anything about having or raising kids?
Two completely separate issues...
hate and fear are inherent. ever walk down a dark hallway late at night? sure fear is taught. ever see dick cheney? sure hate is taught. who taught this to you? was this a class in high school? If you have to be taught fear, then you are stupid.
Why are you afraid of the dark? The boogeyman? Where did you learn that from?
I agree we're more cautious when we lose one of our senses (sight), but I think that's different from fear.
You don't have to be taught fear, but it probably won't surface until you understand you can die. Every time your parent tells you not to stand too close to the edge, or that tigers will eat you, that's when you start putting 2 + 2 together... For the most part what we fear was taught to us. We would eventually have learned fear ourselves at some point, but it would be much different than what we know nowadays with all the spectacular "fear" based movies, shows and news. If nobody told us what to fear, maybe we would find out by seeing one of our friends fall off a cliff and die... then wham, we have fear of the edge...
Mmmmmm nah uh.
Fear is a natural instinct for many animals. It’s serves self-preservation. Lower-order animals (small mammals, reptiles, birds) have an increased fear instinct which leads to a quicker flight-or-fight response. In higher-order social animals, this fear instinct is more learned. With these, young animals need to be taught what to be afraid of and when. This learning process can take weeks or years, which is why different species stay within their family/social groups for different durations. For Humans, this can be anywhere from 13 to 20 years.
Hate on the other hand is an emotion which is derived from fear. Just as we must learn what to be afraid of, we must also learn what to, and how to, hate. While the ability to hate (and fear) is present in almost all humans, it is not inevitable that we do so.
Fear is also learned, but much of the 'natural kind' is learned so young we are not aware. We learn it from watching the older animals around us. Animals don't fear each other until they learn about harm. It could be by experiencing direct harm, or by the group of animals reacting in the face of potential harm.
All fear comes from fear of death. Fear of losing ego. Fear of not being.
We don't even fear fire until we get burned. In fact we are attracted to fire, amazed by it, until we get burned.
can also be a inborn instinct, look at wild(and quite a few domestic)animals, first time exposed to smoke or fire they flee. Third generation feral cats will hiss and attempt to get away from human contact before their eyes are even open. Heck look at my wife's cat never been mistreated, never seen a dog before, her first exposure to one was fear. Hissing, arching her back and fleeing. Whats really funny is that the dog in question was smaller than her and she could of taken it easily. The dog was a 5 lb toy terrier, she's a 20+ lb Maine coon with all her claws.
Hate is 100% learned.
I'm convinced that FOX/Cheney/Newt will continue fearmongering.
There's no 12 step program for these kind of sickos.
When Ms. Ingraham edited The Dartmouth Review in the early 1980s, she had one of her reporters secretly tape-record a meeting of the Dartmouth gay student group, then had a transcript printed up and sent to the parents of the attendees (not all of whom had come out to anybody yet). She's a charmer, that Laura.
- because, owing to the pristine purity of their motives, the Democrats would never create a little children's choir to sing hymns of praise to their Dear Leader.
Whoops. Stike that. It seems that they have.
Nor would we see Democrats using images of children to peddle irrational fear for partisan advantage.
Ah, dammit, wrong again -- it seems that Democrats actually invented that kind of thing.
Look, the hyper-nationalist GOP is despicable. But don't pretend as if they're the only pathos-peddlers on the block. Both wings of the establishment party are thoroughly corrupt, corporatist, and manipulative, playing on fears and nurturing "smelly little orthodoxies."
weak...
That children's choir... was that paid for by the democratic party?
And that ad from LBJ's campaign back, oh, 45 years ago isn't a good representation of the current political climate. Not to mention I have no idea why you used that clip while saying they "invented" it... that wasn't the first time people tried to scare people for political gain.
Good job on using the youtube to try and prove a point though.
The sad thing is, you're right to an extent. Both parties have done shades of the same thing - however, the modern day republican party is heads and shoulders above. They are not one in the same.
ad paid for by the Repub party? And how many times have the Dems used "think of the children" for gun control? Heck I've heard it on this site not too long ago. Also in local smoking bans, the two things I've heard the most for banning smoking in restaurants is "but what about the workers who don't smoke" and of course "think of the children that go with their parents to eat there"
Maybe it's just me, but I see more than a little bit of difference between someone that says "think of the children" and the person that tosses the kids out there to spout out something that comes down to "gosh, why do you hate me?"
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=7277858&p...
The republicans have taken the lead role as the psychopaths in the play that is politics. The prognosis is never good for the psychopath in any reality, including this political reality. Let's hope that doesn't change.
Will Michelle Malkin hunt this girl down and expose her? She has a knack for attacking children when they are used by Democrats. If she wants to be taken seriously you think she would.
…two neocon bimbos try to outdumb each other. I will say that Ms. Wright definitely won this contest though.
Is for someone to explain to my, why I should be opposed to same-sex marriage without mentioning "God".
I hope someone in the media issues this challenge.
Not that it will matter because the righties can't contemplate morality apart from religion.
So any concept that is beyond the immediate comprehension of a 4-year old is bad?
Suddenly, so many of the religous-right's positions on issues are starting to make sense.
I seem to remember reichwingers berated the left for exploiting children when kids were in commercials supporting s-chip,
And this was despite the fact that the reich were already using kids as photo-ops not just in boosh reading to them when he should've been protecting the country, but also they excretably referred to "snowflake children."
What would be the reaction from the reich if the left put out commercials with young children talking about how much they love their two daddies or their two mommies?
Years ago I drew a single frame cartoon, I actually had to explain to people. I showed a middle aged conservative couple, he with pompadour and gut sitting in front of the tv, she in pearls standing behind his seat. He's saying, "All right a pro-life commercial that pulls no punches." She says, "But dear, they're not aborted babies, their dead soldiers, it's an anti-war commercial." So he says, "That's disgusting. How dare hose damn liberals put this on the air."
Bill O'Reilly's theory on gay marriage: Next we'll be marrying turtles!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-vyRXEx6DA
And this is NEWS, come on anytime you have LOSERS Losing they always grab the weakest amoungst them.
This is just further proof the (RNC) Racist Nazi Committee proving Hatred and Ignorance will someone tell them using Critical thought and presentation with Facts would probably give the critability but again one must use a thought process, once a Loser always a Loser.
A penny, for every fallacious argument I've caught them making, I'd be hiring Bill Gates as my personal ball washer (and I ain't talking about balls you play with in sports).
Are there any non-racist Nazis?
Religious indocrination of children is abusive.
Everything I was going to say on this topic has already been said in this thread, so please allow me to just add: few noises in this world are as aesthetically obnoxious as Laura Ingraham's voice.
i am glad she is not president
on a different note, i am surprised that 9-11 was not mentioned in the ad
and i am surprised it does not burn her skin
Limp-Dick loves screwing little boys too.
It's clear that you only care about the sanctimoniousness of marriage, not demanding the outlawing of divorce.
christ specifically banned it, and by allowing it and not demanding it immediate cessation you are enabling the sin and thus sinning yourselves.
Read from the book of matthew, chapter 5. brother:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk
Divorce
31:"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'
32:But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
-- jc: your lord and savior... the guy you claim to follow, but only do so when convenient.
Or perhaps you simply misunderstood him:
Blessed are the cheese makers --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJUj8HJ4D8
E Pleb Neesta --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b56e0u0EgQ
GODISNOWHERE
Beware the Red State Menace: Where's a McCarthy when you need one?
Everything I need to know, I learned from Python(Monty).
The ignorants of Religion is apparently contagious.... Stop hating each other for the sake of people! You are all God.......
Children don't care about any of that stuff, all they care about is themselves, and that's understandable
If they saw two guys kissing or something, they shouldn't have to go into a whole discussion on gay marriage.
I hope some dad doesn't try to explain the entire workings of a car or airplane every time a child sees one, I'm not a parent, but I'm thinking you could save that conversation for when the child can actually understand the topic. (about 10-12?)
I doubt the little blonde boy could really follow that logic he was using. But if he could (and you don't agree), what's wrong with you (as a parent) just saying you don't know?
I'm not exactly sure why this is being taught in school
Other topic-
Ms. Ingraham always seems to have that "you all are trash to me look"
as for Ms. Wright, I hope people's morals do change, if I remember history a little bit, people used to display their racism pretty openly, they don't as much anymore, so morals do change, thankfully.
here is an article about the guy that got arrested.
Per usual, not quite the way the right wing describes it.
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