Fort Hood shooting update: Suspect Nidal Hassan is alive, stable
By David Neiwert Friday Nov 06, 2009 6:00am
After we were told all day that the man -- named Nidal Malik Hassan -- accused of shooting 43 people, 12 of them fatally, yesterday at Fort Hood, had been killed in the gunfire, late in the evening came the news that he was in fact still alive:
A solider suspected of fatally shooting 12 and wounding 31 at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday is not dead as previously reported by the military, the base's commander said Thursday evening.
A civilian officer who was wounded in the incident shot the suspect, who is "in custody and in stable condition," Army Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told reporters.
"Preliminary reports indicate there was a single shooter that was shot multiple times at the scene," Cone said at a news conference. "However, he was not killed as previously reported."
The suspect, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at a military processing center at Fort Hood around 1:30 p.m., Cone said.
Three others initially taken into custody for interviews have been released, Cone said.
The New York Times has a profile of Hasan:
He had also more recently expressed deep concerns about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. Having counseled scores of returning soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder, first at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and more recently at Fort Hood, he knew all too well the terrifying realities of war, said a cousin, Nader Hasan.
“He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Mr. Hasan said. “He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there.”
The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier became aware of Internet postings by a man calling himself Nidal Hasan, a law enforcement official said. The postings discussed suicide bombings favorably, but the investigators were not clear whether the writer was Major Hasan.
In one posting on the Web site Scribd, a man named Nidal Hasan compared the heroism of a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to protect fellow soldiers to suicide bombers who sacrifice themselves to protect Muslims.
“If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory,” the man wrote. It could not be confirmed, however, that the writer was Major Hasan.
Of course, the wingnuts -- led by Michelle Malkin and Pam Geller -- are going ape in their campaign to paint this as a terrorist attack by a Muslim jihadi. Nothing like a big dose of the very ethnic stereotyping that appears to have driven Hasan to a murderous rage to make things better, eh?
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an ironic term, don't you think?
We the people receive a constant barrage of propaganda from the corporate owned main stream media. We live in a completely manufactured fantasy reality due to the massive brainwashing. I, for one, don't believe anything until it is verified. Keep an open mind for the possibility that Nidal Hassan is a patsy and this was a CIA black operation.
I see we have our own wingnuts onboard today. When someone starts shouting Alahu Akbar while shooting troops at random, it isn't unreasonable to call him a Jihadi.
But would it be unreasonable to call him a CIA agent involved in black ops? They are saying he is still alive. He's dead, he's alive, wait a moment. Let's knock this story off the table by replacing it with another massacre so we have time to get our story straight. Here is the truth, Big Ben: you and I have no way of knowing what's really happening. The CIA is playing tricks everywhere, subsidized by the the billions of opium dollars they hijack out of Aftghanistan.
So, this guy volunteered to get killed for the CIA? And just how did they motivate this Muslim of Palestinian decent to do that?
And why would the CIA want to do this? Our best bet is to make friends with the non-Jihadi Muslims - a policy both Bush and Obama have endorsed, for the obvious reason that we really don't need a billion more enemies.
You have no idea what happened - and the story is different each time we hear it.
One reason this story indicts a fifth of the planet is because it's necessary to supplant the other big news of the world.... THE GOLDSTONE REPORT. [remember 9/11 happened right after the Durban Conference wherein Desmond Tutu declared Israel a murderous, rogue state that practices apartheid.]
I know that doesn't sound like much to you - but It means a lot to the perpetual victim status of world wide Jewry... considering Israel murders Pali kids, sells off the body parts - and provides the world with ecstasy and phony moving companies as front organizations for their mischief.
Israel and the diaspora have spent the last century trying to convince the world that ISLAM is the problem... and Jews are saintly in their goodness.
Try saying otherwise - and see what happens.
I'm pushing my luck, as I type.
Now Muslims are a wholly different story... if one farts - the entire 1.6 billion are accused of bad manners.
We all nod in agreement that if a Muslim sits down to eat - ya can't trust a one of em.
We all know -- Muslims cannot be trusted with fire arms. They hate us for our freedoms [even as they enjoy it here as well] and that if left to their own devices - they will fart and murder our children.
Jews on the other hand - are so Christ like that birds alight on their outstretched hands - bunnies nuzzle their toes - and all the world is a better place because Germany missed a few.
I know this because ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX, CBS, MSNBC, PBS and every radio talk show host tells me so. Ditto for my senators, congressmen and every president besides Carter. [and we all know why - the Nazi scum]
'Two US privates had been seeing a military psychiatrist major Hasan at Fort hood for a few weeks. Both privates said they were completely against the war of oppression in the middle east and would refuse to report for active duty if ordered to do so.
So the army put them both in therapy with Dr. Hasan. After more than five weeks of therapy both Christian privates were called to go to Afghanistan. Both privates warned they would not go and they would defend themselves with force if the army tried to force them to fight in a war they believed was morally wrong.
Yesterday fellow soldiers tried to surprize the two consciencious objectors but the privates were prepared and killed 12 soldiers who tried to force their way into the privates' barracks at Fort Hood.
Do NOT believe Hassan yelled anything!
You are being duped. All this is happening against the backdrop of the Goldstone Report on Israel being adopted -- it is very important for Americans to have their islamophobic diet changed to random shootings...
this is about JEWS and Israel... just like 9/11 happened as a result of the Durban Conference when Desmond Tutu told the world Israel was an Apartheid State... a rogue nation that needed to be stopped.
America is the last bastion of support for the murderous Israelis.
Most Americans just don't understand how much our world is crafted by the necessity of maintaining the genocide of Palestinians and Muslims.
...why he did it?
I was concerned to hear he was "killed" that we might never know why he did it, so learning he is still alive is actually good news.
report
go after the wrong people.
in that institution did not see something wrong in advance.
I think they did but that the command structure just ignored it.
This is a mental health professional working amongst colleagues with advanced degrees in that field. That is what I find surprising.
of his colleagues, but the lack of education/understanding/action by the chain of command. Since some reports claim they reported their concerns previous to the incident.
and it indeed may be that his colleagues did see it coming. Then I will have to say I am not surprised.
If it was foreseen and forewarning given, and those were surpressed or ignored by non mental health professionals in the hierarchy I won't find that surprising.
even if they suspected a certain level of distress, I doubt any of his colleagues could have suspected he would be going postal in a killing spree of such magnitude.
It would also be interesting to find out how many instances of fragging have happened thus far, involving our troops overseas, and which have not been reported at all.
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mental health professional dealing with the trauma from soldiers loses it. I shudder to think the sheer numbers of destroyed lives he must have had to witness/deal with to push him to the brink in such a fashion.
Maybe it requires a tragedy for Americans to finally pay attention to these issues. But then again, I assume the Pentagon will be in full damage control mode right about now...
I know quite a few people that I find rather odd or creepy, but that doesn't mean I assume they will go on a sudden killing spree. It's not so easy to predict the future, and people can do things that are unexpected.
This is going to get nasty!
Let the wingnuts claim Muslim jihadi. Nobody is reporting anything like this. The people who spew this nonsense will show (again) just how crazy they are. Of course it could turn out that this guy could be part of some conspiracy but it sure doesn't look that way now. It does look like this guy is a sick human being who snapped. Time will tell. Keep an eye on the wingnuts and note what they say to be used later.
Apparently US military bases all over the world were locked down after the attack. We have American schools all over the world. Were they locked down after the shootings at Colombine and various other schools in the US? If not, why not?
I think the answer to that is self evident. Maybe you are being facetious.
more than 700 of them?
Even Fort Hood was open by the end of the day.
I don't know of a single base outside of Fort Hood that changed their security posture one iota.
Has Sarah Palin brightened the Facebook tubes to enlighten the world about this suspect. And it will be interesting to see what Limpdick has to say. You know, the power brokers and leaders of the Republican party need to chime in on this.
I believe it was col. jack jacobs on msnbc this morning poo pooing the idea that he had heard many horror stories about war from returning soldiers since he had only been at Fort Hood a few months. I guess col jocobs doesn't think soldiers returning from war at Walter Reed know any horror stories about war.
So far all I am sure of is that someone shot and killed a lot of people yesterday and that was tragic. There is no sane justification for such a thing.
Why they reported that he was dead when he was in the hospital makes no sense to me. We knew the narrative about the man before we knew was still alive.
military, isn't it?
or running over with tanks chunks of truth that interfere with the battle, er, message.
I would not believe the accuracy of any report, even to the degree
that the reporter is reporting who reported what he or she just reported.
OF course, later, when the facts come out in official findings, if they do not confirm our initial specualtion or latent bias, the reports will have been altered.
Especially if they give the man who shot the Major a silver star and it turns out the Major shot himself.
security.
but we'll continue talking as if it were.
Or talk as if it weren't our sekrit friends at facebook or whatever corporate-owned website helping us to plant such writings.
Now where did I leave that tinfoil hat?!
I think that it is suspect that it took all day to get the info right on whether the suspect was dead or alive and yet his internet habits and activity started being reported right away. How can we know that the reporting on that part is right?
Stereotyping pushed this man to mass murder? You can put this one right up there on the shelf with the Twinkie Defense.
And wringing your hands over the moment Malkin weighs in with her dumptruck of hate? Please! "Gosh, I sure hope no one blames Hassan just because of his name! If I was cursed to have such a noble name in this nation of barbarians, I'd spray a chow hall with gunfire too!"
chiming in on the radio we shouldn't let non-Americans into the military.
Uh, sorry, Mrs. Dobbs, he was a 'Merkin.
non-whites.
Non christian
on both accounts.
we had the Navajo Code Talkers...
Don't blame her, she was probably freshly back from her Bachmann induced walk on Washington.
... but it seems white boy courage is in short supply lately and they don't seem to be able to fill the ranks with corn fed all American recruits.
Apparently, in this country people have no problem sending immigrants to do our dirty job overseas, so long as they don't dare spill it over here.
mostly cowards, eh? LOL
Just the ones that pound their chests, rattle their sabres, wave their flags, call for a holy war, all from the safety of their homes.
storm the barricades of the gated burb shouting...
???
I'll keep a torch burning on the porch for ya.
you're so thoughtful, lol!
among the ranks of our armed forces, with respect to their percentile representation in civilian society. One could very well draw the conclusion that white males are being pussies in this whole "war on terra" bizness.
Heck, there have been a lot of "posthumous" citizenship and green cards awarded to some of our dead soldiers in Iraq. Apparently, American citizenship will make things much better for them in the afterlife.
Many people in the mental health care services have mental health issues themselves. It is what draws many to that kind of service. To learn about themselves through others.
The deal is that if we all analyzed ourselves with what the experts are taught we would all be insane as well. In other words, "What we don't know won't hurt us."
And within the military framework, a mental health "expert" probably has few places to get help.
On a lighter note;
Jim Cramer said on October 12,
It was at 9.8% Today it was announced that the rate is 10.2%. Good ole Cramer. Keeping with his track record he is wrong again. He's just keeping the CNBC record of being wrong in tact.
Using today's logic... Cramer should be taken off the show because he shares ethnicity with Bernie Madoff... can't be too careful you know... greedy.. J's....
Jihadi Muslims... Greedy, slippery J's.
Very few Jews are Asian. Slippery goes with slope.
What other reason would he have for killing his fellow soldiers?
The real issue is how did the military allow this to happen. It's another example of incompetence. The guy is of middle eastern descent and a psychiatrist that treats military personnel returning from war in the middle east. Hello red flags.
I would guess they missed it because 90% of the soldiers probably exhibit anxiety.
The guy is most probably mentally twisted because he was exposed to so much reality of war over the past 8 years. His being of middle eastern decent has nothing to do with it except what they are saying about being harassed by people around him. I would stay away of saying that he thought it was a jihad unless it comes from his lips. We don't know why at this time but it could be that he wanted out of the military and they didn't care and he didn't want to go to war but they didn't care about that either. It could be that this drove him over the top but to say he thought it was jihad is way premature and nothing so far indicates this.
that was being harassed by his fellow soldiers. Yes he is probably mentally twisted. What's to say that he didn't believe that this was his Jihad? Nothing indicates this? He took 2 guns and killed 13 and wounded more than 30. If he just wanted to get out of the military or prevent being deployed to the middle east, he could have punched a superior officer or gone AWOL. Him being of middle eastern descent has nothing to do with it? I'm not saying that he was automatically a radical because of it. I'm saying the military should have evaluated him more regularly and provided him with better support.
He's a Palestinian shouting Alahu Akbar, and it's a coincidence that he's a Muslim and started shooting people? Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, my friends.
Congratulations. If the guy's name were Charles Whitman would everyone immediately be thinking it had to do with his faith?
and he isn't a Christian. He is a first generation American of middle eastern descent and a life long Muslim that obviously has issues.
Don't associate me with the other side. My opinion is that the military messed up. They should have known he was high risk and they didn't catch it.
...and giving them access to weapons is also high risk.
Zero culpability: Typical Republican trait.
You made my point.
has nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion though. Except in that he was intimidated for those.
"They should have known better...he's a mooslim!"
It's a typically conservative organization. I'm saying that todays' military is probably stretched to the limits with soldiers that are being repeatedly sent into hostile situations. The fact that this guy was a psychiatrist that was counseling hundreds of these guys/gals makes him high risk. Add to that, that his fellow soldiers were harassing him for being different. Yes, in my honest opinion, he was high risk. I'm saying provide people like his with better support! How is that like Dobbs?
of his high risk. If you'd made that clear to begin with rather then trying to say he was on a jihad people wouldn't have equated you with Dobbs.
thinking. You people are making too much out of the word Jihad, just like the conservatives.
My opinion only okay. I believe that he probably considered it a Jihad. Yes because I profiled him as a Muslim of middle eastern descent. Who happened to be in the US Army and who appeared to have been harassed by his fellow soldiers and country men.
LOL.
Unless you're a nazi, klansmen, christofacist, Republican...
You don't think they don't know what they are getting.
alot of non-white gang members...
At least that's what my teevee tells me.
said a word to me about that. But she is the strong, silent type.
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appliances, of course. Took out a loan at favorable interest rates to do it. Well worth it. Still don't pull in $63.69 an hour in my part time at home, but it gets my rocks off at times. And now I can take courses on Access TV and on the computer.
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He wouldn't want me to have no same sex relationship regardless of whether its
human or technological.
Has that Obama got our medical records spread all over the internet already?
But I promise not to tell anyone about your TV-Love. That is forever between you and her.
Yeah...they are a sturdy lot.
Then you turn around and say except that he was intimidated for it.
you don't understand that significant difference???
Let me try to educate you - There is a huge difference between saying he did it because he is of middle eastern decent and a Muslim and saying he did it because he was intimidated for being of middle eastern decent and a Muslim.
And I didn't "turn around" I made a qualifying statement. Being one thing and being intimidated by those around you for being one thing are different things. Whether you can understand that or not.
you get associated with "the other side." The military can't even handle recognizing and treating the massive caseload of soliers with mental issues coming back from overseas. Walter Reed Hospital had more rodents than doctors. An internal WR memorandum from September 2006 warned that the personnel shortage caused by an outsourcing of public works services put WR in danger of "mission failure". Yet you want them to be able to single out one MD that's never even seen combat?
I am a free thinker. I don't rule something out just because I'm liberal. You don't think definition number 2 below could fit this guys' mental state.
ji⋅had /dʒɪˈhɑd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ji-hahd]
–noun 1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims.
2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.
But I don't believe jihad would be the word a non-Muslim would use to describe that situation. Unless they held anti-Muslim sentiments.
"He was a lifelong Muslim," you obviously aren't thinking #2, no? We don't know his mental state (at least I don't). Was he totally in charge of his actions or totally out of his mind?
Thanks so much for allowing me to voice it
of Tim McVeigh?
The guy was a white racist that had a holy war against the federal government.
And just to be truthful. When I originally heard this story, I thought it might be guys like McViegh that had done it. There are alot of conservative crazies out there that are being incited to violence daily.
fundamentalist. Holy War? I thought he was just a white supremacist. You know, a Neonazi.
and may have had a brain tumor.
I shouldn't have used holy war to describe McViegh. Just like I shouldn't have used Jihad to describe Hasan.
Well god damn, that changes everything that you wrote, doesn't it.
a more colloquial meaning. "I'm on a holy war to get my neighbor to prune his mimosa tree." Or like when Bush said we were on a crusade. OK, that was a bad example. McVeigh said in his last interviews he was an agnostic although he was brought up Catholic. Religion had nothing to do with it - it was about what he perceived to be goverment tyranny (Waco, Ruby Ridge) and hyprocrisy (ridding nations like Iraq of weapons and power using... weapons and power). The race thing was blown out of proportion compared to the former reasons. He certainly had contact with white supremecy organizations, but mainly because of the weapons culture and being anti-government, not race ideology.
a shoe that fits
...that this guy Hassan was transfer to Fort Hood from Walter Reed after a less than satisfactory job performance review from his superiors. Taking everything into consideration(especially his protest of his deployment into Iraq) I think sending this unstable man to fight Muslims sounds like a vendetta.
the story of the poor performance reviews. He was recently promoted and that doesn't happen with poor performance reviews usually.
Unfortunately performance reviews don't equate to psycho-social evaluation. I read that he was getting counseling. We may never know the content of that though.
they don't promote officers that they have any kind of issues with.
a psychiatrist. He probably even got a bonus because they wanted to keep him so bad. We all have issues. Myself included.
Being kicked upstairs to major is not a big deal. Couldn't this guy just be someone who broke under stress and did something really bad? To suggest that it had to do with him being a Muslim is racist, at least until some facts indicating that was the case are uncovered. With the military, we'll never know. Whatever benefits them will be the official story.
That is EXACTLY what I was trying to say except the last two sentences. I don't have any comment about that.
it seems odd that he was promoted and received orders to transfer to a combat zone. As if they were trying to break him.
That is not odd, it is almost necessary. I think a shrink in a combat zone is a good thing. Perhaps he was to do some preventative work.
I only meant having one with the issues of being intimidated for his ethnicity and religion being sent seemed odd. As if they were quite literally sending him as a form of punishment, you know how the military is, to 'toughen him up'.
The new american century is disgusting rape ,torture ,murder unending undefined therefore un-winnable wars all for a couple of dollars to the have and have mores. Clue: george and dick and their families are set for life in splendor and glorious surroundings also known as plunder.
The difference between Christian and centurions being ripped to shreds for sport and what passes for life today is squat.
It would not surprise me to learn that he finally went postal after being harassed, scorned and ridiculed by all those militant Jeso-facist Christian soldiers he was surrounded by down there in Crackerville because of his Islamic faith and heritage.
This is all over the press already. Someone keyed "Allah" into his car, which caused him emotional trauma. That is just one example. He has been called a "raghead" by his fellow soldiers, and who knows what else.
It is a sad day, and nobody can put this all on him. He does have fault here, but we also have to lay blame on a growing hatred of muslims among our soldiers.
I think that during and after every war there was a hatred of our enemy. It is an unfortunate fact of war. I still hear people calling Japanese "Japs". WWII ended how many years ago?
I remember growing up being dimly aware of Muslims,
But I really couldn't distinguish between Hindus, Arab-Muslims and Sikhs then.
My main impression was a sense of dignity.
with the incredibly high rate of suicides at Ft. Hood is there possibly a culture of right wing political and religious intimidation that's being allowed by the command structure there? Or even encouraged by senior officers?
Now we don't know what his motives were, I'm speculating he wanted to be killed rather than go to Iraq. However, this sort of act is going to cause fear, and it was meant to hurt as many people as possible before he was killed. I think this qualifies as terrorism. I don't think he is a Jihadi as reports from his Imam say that he was a dedicated soldier that often wore his fatigues to prayers.
and purged Hassan for whatever reason...due to lowered recruitment standards the number with a high school diploma in 2007 was 70%, and the number of felony waivers doubled. They were BRINGING IN CONVICTED FELONS. You think they would be that worried and watching an officer with both an MD and MPH?
Hasan was so outraged by ethnic stereotyping that he... embraced the stereotype?
Hasan was driven over the edge by second-hand stories of the horrors of war? (Hint: Psychiatrists mostly prescribe drugs, psychologists and social workers provide therapeutic counseling.)
Ah! I've got it! Hasan was brainwashed by agents of the Zionist conspiracy to "embrace the stereotype"! That's the ticket!
OK: Hasan was nuts. Unfortunately Islam (like most religions, though it's significantly worse than average) has lots of material from which nuts derive their inspiration.
You may want to do a little research in that area! I think you might find that Christianity is as bad or worse in the "material from which nuts derive their inspiration" category.
derive their inspiration"....
The playing field is level with Christianity
They prescribe drugs as an adjunct to therapy. Let's not start making things up. We have enough truth to work with, don't we?
but in the civilian world, psychiatrists mainly monitor/prescribe drugs, and psychologists/other therapists do the talking and therapy. It's very common for a person in therapy to see their psychologist weekly for therapy, and the psychiatrist as needed for medication adjusting/monitoring.
So you are implying that all psychiatrists do is prescribe drugs for patients based on the recommendations of psychologists? So all the doctor in question did was hand out prescriptions? What leads you to believe this?
It is more likely that people who go to psychologists are not in need of a psychiatrist because their problems are not mental illness, but are behavioral problems.
If a psychologist feels a patient would benefit from meds, they refer them to a psychiatrist, who evaluates the patient, and prescribes meds if necessary. The patient sees the psychologist for talk therapy, the psychiatrist for med follow up. At least in my area, I don't know of any psychiatrists who primarily do talk therapy. They are all mainly drug prescribers, and refer patients themselves to psychologists for talk therapy.
My guess is that few of us speculating have absolutely any clue why this happened and will be proven to be about as accurate as Bill Kristol.
You mean doing a Limbaugh, "Pull it out of your ass."
speculating there ricky!
"Violence begets violence, hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism."
Reverend Wright
Well, well, well... I thought it was bigoted and evil to judge groups by the deeds of individuals.
Did anybody see thousands of column inches suggesting Bill Kristol and Ben Bernanke and Bill Geithner were disposed to commit the crimes of Bernie Madoff?
You bet not. No such language would have seen the light of day - even on the wild web. I think we should take these suggestions that we purge the country of Muslims and change the identity to Jew and see what happens to the authors.
Has anybody noticed the similarities between Bill Kristol, Ben Bernanke, Bill Geithner and Bernie Madoff?
Has anyone offered that a Presidential hopeful from Utah would bring polygamy to the White House?
Where is the condemnation for these hysterical calls for ethnic purging this morning????
there are websites arguing the country should be purged of Jews? That the Internet doesn't contain loads of neo Nazi propoganda? Or that there weren't plenty suggesting that Madoff was just a greedy Jew, like all the rest? You don't think this goes on? You are joking, right? Just do a Google search and see for yourself. And note how Google actually has an article that comes up if you do a search for "Jew" apologizing for how all sorts of hate sites come up at the top of the list.
And there certainly have been problems for the few Mormons who wanted to run for president. Didn't Romney have to do a whole speech explaining his religion? You don't think being Mormon would lose the entire Fundie Christian vote?
To suggest that because there are neo nazi websites cautioning us against Jews is NOT the same as Campbell Brown suggesting that his religion was a factor.
As a matter of fact... NOBODY ever reported that the Columbine Killer was a Jewish kid. NOBODY EVER asked if Jewish kids in High School were at risk for dangerous anti social behavior.
And nobody in the news business EVER suggested that Ben Bernanke, Goldman Sachs, or Summers or Geithner were ALSO CROOKS BY ETHNIC IDENTITY....
Just take any of these comments and change the word Muslim to Jew and the world will come down around your ears.
Campbell Brown would be packing her up her desk and you know it.
I am sickened by the double standard...
Cold war = Soviets are the enemy
Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney = enemy is social programs/government intervention
'90s = enemy is corporate regulation and the personal lives of politicians
Post 9/11 = enemy are terrorists
And, finally, the enemy is all things Muslim.
Conclusion . . . America perpetually needs an enemy to justify the armaments industry gobbling up 50% of the annual federal government's revenues. It's the way empires work.
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/
As if David Neiwert needs his name on yet another Enemies of the State list, here he goes taking a tempered, rational view of an event that was tailor-made for jihadiphobic hysteria and wingnut mayhem. What? Are you starting a collection of death threats, Neiwert?
but his Late Night Music Club led indirectly to my son hearing Otis Redding and becoming a big fan. I will be a character witness of one good deed he has done.
Logically" list would have been enough. He's always pushing the envelope.
how white people can kill massive numbers of people, and it's not "terrorism." Even blacks nowadays can get away with mass killings, like the rapist in Cleveland or the DC snipers. But if a white American does it, it's a news story between Jon and Kate and Dancing With The Stars updates.
We are so dumb and numb to these instances that nobody cares. However, because 9/11 and the Afghan/Iraq war are still fresh and active, a potential muslim Jihad in America is enough to cause a fervor.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Fort Hood
Ft. Hood suspect reportedly shouted `Allahu Akbar'
Fort Hood Jihad Shooter Handed Out Korans
Said `Allahu Akbar!' before shooting
Hasan Was 'Calm,' Methodical
Praising Suicide Bombers on the Internet
!!!!!!!!!
while they ferret the infiltrators out first?
This wasn't "jihad". It was Columbine.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwnd...
don't miss an opportunity here to widen the fissures in the republican framework. That is, wingnuts have two takes on this: One is a way to attack Obama -- I heard one on the radio last night saying that the shooting at Ft. Hood should "send a message to Obama" that our military is overtaxed. He said it as if this is a recent (Obama) development; the second take is that this is evidence that evil muslim jihadists have infiltrated our military. That's a potential conflict of interests then, one leaning toward abandoning the wars and the other toward stepping up indiscriminately attacking muslims everywhere including in our own military. Personally, I intend to fan the flames on the abandon the wars side. I'm going to have a Teabagger party at my house for those wingnuts who want to Impute Obama by calling for an end to the wars (he started), and when I get them all here, I'm going to introduce our special guest speaker...
...Cindy Sheehan.
They'll shit, won't they? That oughta split some teabags!
What I want to know is what about the other guys? Believing that 1 man shot 43 people with 2 handguns (or a rifle, the story keeps changing) pushes any gullibility I have. I clearly remember it being reported that he was quickly shot and reportedly killed right after opening fire. I also remember reports of another shooter firing at SWAT teams from under cover well hours after the incident began. I want to know what really happened here.
The incident is a CIA Black Operation. Hassan has not been charged with anything but the talking-head, empty-suit courtiers in the main stream media have already slandered and convicted him. They are currently discussing ways to punish him. He will take his place with Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, and Osama Bin Laden in the CIA patsy hall of fame.
building, per CNN.
Helicopters overhead here now, cops looking for the shooter. It wasn't me...
must be a terrorist act by the Mexican Mafia. Start your own speculation NOW!
We are so fucking doomed!
You caught me.
I hope our justicial system just doesn't put him in Levenworth for the rest of his worthless life. I would love to see the victims and their families meld out "justice" *ANY* way they saw fit.
...then at breakfast someone said "he SHOULD HAVE gone to Washington *instead* of the preocessing center if he wanted to kill someone connected to the 2 wars we're in. Some of these young men and women he shot wouldn't've come back from Iraq and Afghanistan..."
guilty" is not something you would have fought for former Staff Sargent? With the amount of contradictory "reporting" coming out now, it might be wise to wait for some actual facts before condemning someone to death. You know, that "Do unto others..." thing?
If that report is to be believed, then one man with two handguns, who was intentionally "targeting people he knew", shot 43 people, even though he was reported dead when the shooting was still going on? I don't buy it. Why is there no talk of the other shooters as was originally reported? With so much contradictory evidence, why don't wingnuts wait for the whole story, instead of calling for the heads of all muslims.
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