Wingnuts rush to conclusions about Fort Hood shooter -- but cousin says he was 'good American' harassed for being Muslim
By David Neiwert Thursday Nov 05, 2009 6:00pm
No sooner was the identity of the Fort Hood shooter released -- a man with the Arab name Nadal Malik Hasan -- than the wingnuts sprang into predictable action: Of course he was a jihadi embarking on a murderous terrorism spree!
Pam "Atlas Barks" Geller immediately proclaimed it "an obvious act terrorism" and ran big all all caps heads declaring: "IT'S THE JIHAD STUPID." Elsewhere in the right blogosphere, people like the folks at HotAir jumped all over the "news" that Hasan was a convert to Islam.
Then Shepard Smith interviewed Hasan's cousin, and we found out that this was all so much tripe:
-- Hasan was American born and educated, but raised Muslim. He was not a convert.
-- He had never previously been deployed to Iraq or anywhere overseas, for that matter. So much for the theories he suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
-- He was regularly abused by his colleagues in the military for being Muslim -- called a "raghead" and other such terms -- and had been seeking to get out of the military because the environment had become so hostile.
Another interview, on just before this one, that Smith had with a former colleague of Hasan's indicated that Hasan was prone to making outrageous remarks about Muslims "defending themselves," particularly in reference to last summer's shooting of two military recruiters in Arkansas by a Muslim convert.
There are also reports that he had recently been the victim of a hate crime: His car was vandalized, with the word "Allah" scratched into the paint, and he was reportedly extremely upset by it.
It's obviously a complicated story. We'd all be well advised to reserve the speculation to actual hard facts about the case as they emerge. But it certainly appears this is much a matter of Columbine-like backlash to bullying as it is anything ideological.
And no, it's not the Jihad, stupid.
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Thanks, Dave, best up to date info I've seen yet, at 6pm left coast time.
Abuse begats abuse.
End of story.
Oh, for F**k sake. Your earlier post assured us that the reports "indicates a conspiracy" and it's STILL tagged as "right-wing violence". As of 4:30 in the morning. At this point, it's more or less clear that a guy of (unfortunately) Syrian or Jordanian descent, went nuts. Your promised updates should maybe admit that you were wrong. You may still be right, that neo-nazis will eventually kill the country, but you jumped the gun (as Fox News did) on this one. Admit it.
Obama Admits He Is A Muslim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY
If he'd not been Muslim it might have been more difficult to pile on the hatred. But it looks like he was mostly "serving while brown." Or something similar.
No, the wingnuts do not need any good reason. They need no reason whatsoever to act the way they do.
...if he was trying to get out of the Army, and certainly report of a hate crime (just look at his car, for example.) HOWEVER, the military does have its ways of covering its' ass, and the simplest conclusion from their point of view is to call it a "lone gunman" scenario. All them shrinks are a little crazy, right? (hmmm.)
Tillman.
The whitewash of Tailhook comes to mind.
Seems like this guy snapped. His race and religion winguts, have nothing to do with it. My thoughts are with the victims and their families and also with the Major and his family. I think this guy was mentally ill and mental illness coupled with stress is an awful thing.
"Another interview, on just before this one, that Smith had with a former colleague of Hasan's indicated that Hasan was prone to making outrageous remarks about Muslims "defending themselves," particularly in reference to last summer's shooting of two military recruiters in Arkansas by a Muslim convert."
It sounds like a combination of divided loyalties as well as snapping under harassment. Also, I read elsewhere that he had a bad review of his performance, which may or may not have been a form of harassment, but which might easily have been seen that way given his views and his situation. It sounds like he defended indefensible muslims, and that polarized the situation into one in which he was ostracized and harassed by fellow service persons, probably mostly because of his statements. This in turn increased his identification with his fellow Muslims, and no doubt led him to view his poor review (rightly or not, I don't have an opinion) as more prejudice, bias, and harassment.
"Another interview, on just before this one, that Smith had with a former colleague of Hasan's indicated that Hasan was prone to making outrageous remarks about Muslims "defending themselves," particularly in reference to last summer's shooting of two military recruiters in Arkansas by a Muslim convert."
Those aren't Hasan's words, those are words spoken about him by someone. I'd want direct quotes from the man's mouth before deciding if he was a look or lashing out against tormentors.
If Hasan was calling Iraqi and Afghan resistance against the US invasion "self-defence", then Hasan had a valid point. Iraq and Afghanistan belong to the people who live there, not the US, and they might see IEDs and suicide bombings as defence of their countries.
Did you just cite a Fox News report for a more nuanced view of a confused situation?
Bush was right we are going to have to fight them here?
He said, "We're fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them over here."
Looks like that plan isn't working. We'll have to think of a new one.
How about "Let's not make so many enemies over there so we..." or something like that.
Naaah. That's too much like something Jesus would say. Love thine enemies, turn the other cheek and all that pacifist crap.
Sugar still catches more flies than vinegar. I'm not Christian, but in spite of all of its faults, Jesus' approach has worked better than harassment to make converts.
My region is full of Islamics in the rug trade, and I advise everyone I know to "Be nice to them, be good to them, sweet-talk them, and maybe we can get advance notice to Homeland Security if they decide they like our side better." True liberty includes, on occasion, being courteous to those we can't stand, in hopes that they will learn from our example.
Truer words have never been written.
"BREAKING: Deadly shooting rampage by fatigue-clad men at Fort Hood, Texas, army base"
And "Obviously, the fact that more than one shooter -- as many, it seems as three -- were involved in this clearly indicates a conspiracy, and for this kind of target, it could be ideological."
Seems a little late to be calling on others to "reserve" the speculation until hard facts emerge. I'm just sayin'.
I don't know where you got that quote from, or how old it is, but every site I look at now has stopped mentioning accomplices. You may be right, or you may be very, very wrong.
go back to the main page and scroll down to the initial blog post about the shooting.
You'll see: "Obviously, the fact that more than one shooter -- as many, it seems as three -- were involved in this clearly indicates a conspiracy, and for this kind of target, it could be ideological." was posted by C&L.
The point is that C&L was jumping to conclusions when the story first broke, but now we're being asked to "reserve" speculation on the matter.
He was harassed and hounded because of his religious beliefs by his fellow soldiers and eventually cracked under the strain.
It's as simple as 1,2,3..
This is how it's done. Harrass the crap out of anyone they don't like. That's the REAL reason for Don't Ask Don't Tell; it should perhaps be extended to religious beliefs as well... I'm just sayin'.
getting rid of the policy all together and prosecute the hell out of the harrassers?
Oh no...that'd just be oh so wrong..let's just continue with a failed policy that gets people murdered.
A stupid action guaranteed to inspire hostility on a military base, and an action which demonstrated that his sympathies and loyalties lay elsewhere than the US and its serving personnel.
Not too long ago, a black man in Texas was dragged to his death on a chain behind a pick-up truck. I find it interesting that only having been in Texas since July, this harassed Muslim soldier acted out at Fort Hood when he might have acted out at his previous assignment. This tells me that the harassment may have been especially untolerable at Fort Hood. Of course, we can't say that only Texans are responsible, as Texas is often a place where many bad actors go to blend in with the culture and get away with things.
My former college roommate, a woman of color, enlisted in the Army after her communications degree was turned down by every media outlet in Tampa. She requested Germany and Japan, they sent her to Texas, where, she said, five white Southern sergeants made her life a total and utter hell. She got pregnant to get away from them.
I drive an old pickup, and it brings tears to my eyes knowing that blacks justifiably may fear me because of my necessary and cheap transport.
In 1991, a black, female employee of IBM who had been transferred to Texas the previous year, "hung" herself in the Williamson County Jail north of Austin. Her crime? Someone parked in her assigned space at the Condo she was renting. She called the police. They hauled HER off to jail and the rest is history.
If only he were a white Christian persecuted for his religious beliefs, a Beckian, or a dittohead Erik Erikson would rush to his defense regardless of how many American soldiers he killed.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/05/the-...
Maybe more: Says the shootings happened "as the sun sets." Wrong: it was 1:30 Texas time. Also that the man was hollering in Arabic. I'm betting that's wrong, but if it was difficult to understand, or if the man was simply screaming uncontrollably, a witness might assume it was Arabic. I couldn't identify that language if I heard it, any more than I can tell the difference between Navajo and Apache.
It's their dipthongs.
Are they too tight. I would be upset, too, if my dipthong were too tight and squeezing the lads. And, if the strap were chafing the bunghole, I would scream gibberish, too.
Well, you know how it is with wingnuts. If you don't speak a mangled queen's english with a southern draw, or speak in tongues, it might as well be all Arabic to them.
--is exactly what we mountaineers often speak. Yahoo just ran an article on extinct English dialect words investigated by Collins' Dictionary, and behold, one Yorkshire word was alive, well, and in general rural use from Kentucky to the FL Panhandle.
I can only distinguish Arabic words if they have similarities to Spanish, which is derived from Latin and Arabic.
the sun is always setting somewhere.
There are a lot of 'gulping' sounds in Arabic. He was from Jordan, so it probably was Arabic.
Wrong. He was born and raised in Vermont. He is an American, and it is unclear whether he even spoke Arabic.
*Sorry, it was Virgina, not Vermont.
Jordan, Virginia, where he was born?
not gulping sounds, more like getting rid of a hairball.... "3 and
g3" and that "3" is not a 3 but the transliteration...., especially ain and ghain are difficult to sound out without practice and the "gh" sounds like a "rh" that makes the throat vibrate......
you tube has some videos of the arabic alphabet, check it out.
However, he was from Virginia USA and his parents may have emigrated from Jordan, but according to this, they may have been Palestinian:
"Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."
Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.
"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."
Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.
He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.
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Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/nada...
Then there is this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/fort...
And they would blame Obama, and us, the progressives - not the killer.
when we need them.
Well the teletubbies have been invited to a Caribbean vacation with unca limpballs.
terrified of the Bubbies remember that?
Wouldn't you?
They were going to help raise a generation of idiots.
Of course their main concern was Tinky was gay
When he only sounded like a set-up for a potty joke.
All of a sudden they recognized the triangle over his head as gay
When just before they would argue pink triangles is what Jehovah Witnesses wore in German concentration camps.
So word of advice
Don't go to any summertime German intense Sudoku training sessions.
News Flash, Barney and TeleTubbies have been moved to a secret CHRISTIAN Hate MONGERING, Brain Washing Camp. Barneys songs of Love are against the Nazi Racist White Christian ideals, I have been informed he will be water boarded until he can sing songs with hidden HATE messages to further the Nazi Christian agenda.
The Tele Tubbies are a threat to the Inbred White Christian movement, this creatures will be slapped, water boarded and Electra shocked until they admit they are homosexuals or consent to have sex with the various Right Wing Wacko and CHRISTIAN HATE MONGERS. White Christians like them because they look like little boys and girls.
Will keep the public posted to any and all up coming news on these two incidents.
I was first exploring Witchcraft in the Air Force.
That didn't make me popular either
Most of the others were studying Satanism.
Our little library had umpteen copies of Satanic books, and Mein Kampf,
Checked out constantly.
You old Welsh giant, you!
in all the years I've read ys comments, I never once thought to google his moniker.
I always thought he was just Ned Abbadsy or something along those lines.
It was found in the course of my never-ending research on the Celts.
I read up on wiki after your comment.
My preferences:
http://books.google.com/books?id=kFzOK47NmX0C...
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?binding=&mt...
those look like good reads.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/index.htm
And yes, the Mabinogian.
Don'tcha wish Jesus was born in Wales?
So every year we could sing in unison:
Oh Little Town of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
i needed that ...
I call myself Ysbaddaden as a joke, since I'm only 5'3".
Funny thing though, when I was a pup I discovered the piss-poor quality Mummy movie sequels supposedly starring Lon Chaney Jr (probably actually an unnamed stuntman), and that got me into researching ancient Egyptian Lore, and although I'm no expert, probably know more than average.
I branched out to mythology in general because of studying Greek/Roman in school, and Stan Lee giving regular interviews on how mythology has shaped the Marvel comic line.
I was a fan of his Thor books, and became acquainted with Norse mythology in further research that came as a consequence.
Horror movies like Dracula got me into researching the folklore of such things as vampirism, lycanthropy, and the Vodun (real zombie movies like I Walked With a Zombie or White Zombie). That then led me to study real life crime, so that by the time I was getting my Political Science degree and then my paralegal, I was surprised as anyone that I could understand such things.
And King Arthur was pretty popular in entertainment when I was a pup too, so that led me to years of studying Celtic lore.
And to hear some people on this site tell it, I'm "rotting" my brain with videos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramtha#Ramtha
he must have been born in Bethlehem, Scandinavia.
Thu, 11/05/2009 - 18:33 — MaryK
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You didn't notice the glyph?
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."
I am one, have been since I was 16. Imagine, a religion where the equivalent to saints (Bhodisattvas,) vow to rescue the damned from 'hell' before they enter 'paradise!'
. . .
It's on MSN.com right now.
spin and misinformation? Now they reveal the shooter was never killed.
...at a time like that. Especially on a base.
For example, in 1965 my family had just arrived on Guam, where our dad was a Red Cross Field Director. About the middle of January, all of a sudden the local radio station broke into the music to make an urgent news announcement. Then, nothing, For a couple of hours. We started to get a little frantic, especially as we began to see B-52's in the air, coming in low over the ocean back toward Anderson AFB at the north end of the island.
The bombing had started, but the news was held up by some officer somewhere. When it became obvious that all residents would notice 50+ big airplanes, the announcement was finally made.
Repeat
"It's obviously a complicated story. We'd all be well advised to reserve the speculation to actual hard facts about the case as they emerge."
Truer words have never been written.
of things someone may have misspoke and things spread like wildfire.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_ne...
Why do conservatives hate the military?
Because they require government health care!
`he was probably called is a sand n*****.I don't like the word so i won't use it
When Islamics quit killing women and mutilating us, I'll quit using the word and its simian variant.
Those "Islamics" are mutilating very few of us - they're mostly killing other members of the same religion. So why the name-calling?
Actually I'm curious, did the shooter have any tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan already? How many?
there yet, but was supposed to deploy to Iraq about three weeks from now.
So PTSD is out if that's the case.
on whether the P stand for Post or Pre.
PTSD is still in, it's just slightly modified:
Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder.
if Hasan didn't suffer from PTSD himself, that maybe because he counseled soldiers who do suffer from it, hearing their stories messed with his mind, but it's clear it's more complicated than that...
Adults also get bullied. Especially about religion.
him, the bullying would be the likely culprit...
some of that bullying was coming from people he was trying to help with their PTSD.
Also given his rank it's safe to say that a good portion of the bullying was coming from other officers.
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I think he began to see the hypocrisy and related to the stuff he was counseling soldiers on. He wanted out of the service but had survived off gov paid education for most of his adult life. He probably would like to have quit like Palin. Couple that with harassment from christian religio "patriots" and he could see it would be worse in Iraq and Afghanistan so he was mentally and physically trapped. To come out shooting is a bit strange though...probably 'snapped' and thought he was preventing deaths of muslims.
the proper response to someone carving their hate into your car is not killing a dozen people. I know a little about being harassed and screwed with. I had my tools vandalized on a jobsite for my political views. I've heard a bunch of nazi bullshit from guys i work with (I'm jewish). I take my lesson from the kid who had the nerve to stand up in a school assembly in Jena and ask about the "white tree".
The Texas murderer does not deserve a pass any more than the animals who kiled Matthew Sheppard.
Rather an examination of why things got that bad. The time to step in is BEFORE it gets that bad.
He would have been fragged over there in Iraq. I don't blame him for really really not wanting to deploy.
No one gave Harris and Klebold a pass either but understanding their motivations is key to preventing a recurrence.
understanding how they got to that point is paramount, but it's not cause and effect. I also condemn everyone who knew what was going on did nothing to intervene.
If all the guy was subject to was some hazing and vandalism, I am with you.
But what if there were something more? What if we worried that he might get the Pat Tillman treatment? A little "friendly" fire from behind. There's a precedent from Vietnam where enlisted men killed their officers by shooting them in the back. I believed they called it "fragging."
Still, although self defense does actually justify killing another, I have no doubt that he killed innocents (i.e., people he had no reason to believe posed a threat to him), which makes him a villain as far as I'm concerned.
I do find it unfortunate that Dave took an approach in his rhetoric that right wingers will view as supportive of what this murderer did. While I think it is entirely appropriate to want to ferret out the root cause of the behavior, it would have been better to do so while saying, at the same time and in no uncertain terms, that the behavior is not justifiable.
Because it isn't. Understanding it is not the same as condoning it, but wingnuts don't get that. It's not programmed into their worldview.
Seriously, the guy had a decade into the service. what more can a man do to prove his loyalty? giving him the buisiness is so incredibly wrong.
Seriously, the guy had a decade into the service. what more can a man do to prove his loyalty? giving him the buisiness is so incredibly wrong.
It seems this will be a complex case to understand. But one thing is clear. Those soldiers and the gunman were victims of the Bush--Cheney pre-empitive War of Terrorism, and Profit.
Without that, this incident would most likely not have happened.
And he didn't want to deploy to Iraq, probably with more than good reason, having heard the worst accounts from soldiers he treated, but the nut-busters in the military probably wanted to teach him a lesson. THe blood of the other soldiers is on their hands too.
Way to go, warmongers.
And Obama does NOTHING. A failure.
to bring him to the Whitehouse for a beer in time. How in earth did you make that connection?
There is certainly much, much more to this story than can be known at present. Very strange that a psychiatrist, who should have been more aware of the signs of stress, depression and delusion than anyone, should have cracked as this man apparently did.
Might be a good idea to lay off the spin/blame/speculation for the time being.
Just to show some respect for the dead, if nothing else.
Six long years of seeing at first hand the aftermath and results of ruined lives, soldiers coming back stricken with PTSD. That is going to have a major effect on anybody.
hu, 11/05/2009 - 18:35 — Medical Diagnos...
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Last I checked Obama didn't have the power of flight, super-speed, or a bullet-proof chest.
Well, on the plus side healthcare reform will sail through now, the righties will have their attentions diverted with Muslim bashing.
Expect a story to circulate soon that he was driven insane by the prospect of socialized medicine.
"There are also reports that he had recently been the victim of a hate crime: His car was vandalized, with the word "Allah" scratched into the paint, and he was reportedly extremely upset by it."
So if this is accurate,this guy was bullied by the exact same type of nitwits who leap to Jihadi conclusions.Perfect.
prophecy, sort of... Sad...
To Shepard Smith for going out in a timely manner and throwing the facts into that lie machine where he works. He probably stalled a shitstorm of hate.
I have to echo the sentiments of Chez Pazienza at deusexmalcontent: When I heard this guy's name I just buried my forehead into my hands.
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By initially tagging this story as a specimen of "right-wing violence" and speculating that it may have been the product of an ideological "conspiracy"?
"We'd all be well advised to reserve the speculation to actual hard facts about the case as they emerge," he writes, a sensible admonition he initially failed to heed in his eagerness to find some way to blame the "radical right" for this horrible tragedy.
Let's be honest about the axes each of us is grinding, 'kay?
[I don't know exactly how the techies wrote the program, but I can tell you that those tags are generated automatically, and not placed there by the bloggers. Site Monitor]
has been duly noted.
if you weren't completely wrong. Nowhere in the tags is "right wing violence" mentioned. If it was so tagged he corrected it before you even mentioned it. I certainly never saw such a tag and I've been following the thread from the beginning.
it was a tag on the first posting on the tragedy/crime
at least it was a minute ago.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/break...
Tags: CNN, fbi, Military, right-wing violence, target
attention away from the Bachman tea baggers and they wouldn't put it past Obama to be behind it.
Sheesh can we get some Thorazine or something to these people?
Obama called up his crazy Muslim friend in the military, and convinced him to go apeshit or made sure the guy was going to be sent up so he'd go nuts and kill a bunch of people in order to take away attention from some teabagging bedwetters in DC?
Wow, he is a clever man.
"A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan."
Major? I assumed a grunt.
...even in different msn.com stories. 1) He spent 6 years as a shrink at Walter Reed, but got transferred because of bad reviews. 2) He was promoted to major in July, right about when he was transferred to Hood for eventual deployment. BUT Internal was investigating him for (maybe it was him) posting sympathetic views for suicide bombers, comparing that with someone lying on a grenade and taking the hit for his buddies.
Okay, so who gets bad work reviews but also gets promoted? Is the supposed investigation a CYA? What's the real story here?
that sound damn fishy. First the Base Commander said he had 2 handguns but more recently I saw a report that the Base commander is saying he had a semi-auto rifle now.
the reports coming out. Them getting the life/death status of Hasan wrong is one thing, but to get that wrong plus what guns he had with him is another story...
one person could kill 12 and wound 31 with a couple of handguns strains credulity does it not.
before they decided he had a semi-auto rifle instead or additionally.
This is what they are saying at RawStory:
"And the shooter may have had a semi-automatic rifle, the lieutenant-general said. Initial reports suggested the shooter had been armed only with two handguns"
And then there's this too:
"That first responder(that shot Hasan), a female civilian police officer, was initially reported to have died in the shootout. She is now reported to be in stable condition in hospital."
I mean I understand that things most have been pretty crazy but it seems damn odd that so much of the incident was reported so incorrectly at the beginning. Especially the guns. How could they not know since they'd caught him???
but not the least bit surprising, especially when the words Virginia Tech came up (go to Citizens for Legitimate Government website). I knew it would come down to the "lone gunman" thing as well even though it is clear from mulitple witnesses there was more than one, just as it always goes with these things. They are getting real obvious now, if you just open your eyes and look.
what you're implying a bit.
Especially after the Tillman case.
officer wrong, but I went back to the original thread here on this, and someone posted that they understood that she was a soldier herself, not a civilian police officer...
Yeesh, it's starting to look like none of this is making sense...
And they've still got it as the police officer being an MP.
The Pat Tillman story? I think that was his name. I know if I am wrong about the name someone will correct it. I never keep up with football so I don't know the players names.
But I was saying that maybe they are covering up something the way they were with Tillman?
Even in and old western they could shoot a 6 shot pistol a hundred time without reloading. Ges.
the anonymous nature of the source for the supposed poor review I'd take that particular nugget of information with a very large grain of salt myself.
I know people who have had relief for cause OERs and because thet were already on the promotion list for the next rank they still made it.
some how..... some way this will be ....obama's fault. never waste a crisis.
some guy in need of a Medical Diagnosis came to that very conclusion up thread.
however in regards to your last line "But it certainly appears this is much a matter of Columbine-like backlash to bullying as it is anything ideological." - Columbine has been shown to have nothing to do with bullying. The two shooters at Columbine acted out because Harris was a sociopath and Klebold his follower.
has shown that Columbine had nothing to do with bullying? The fact is that those two belonged to a group that was ostracized and marginalized by other students. Many people endure that in high school and don't commit mass murder. That Harris was a sociopath (a fact not actually in evidence) doesn't mean bullying was not the trigger.
is an aggressively antisocial act and by definition sociopathic.
This guy was a psychiatrist who focused on helping people. And he clearly had sympathy for others.
That does NOT fit the clinical definition of sociopathic. Sorry.
Screwed up, yeah. Wrong, check. Sociopathic? We don't know enough yet.
We have a local psychologist who was diagnosed as sociopathic at age 16. His parents put him through college in that profession so he could eliminate the diagnosis from his medical records.
How about Dave Cullen, who spent 10 years covering Columbine?
I just got done reading the book. They didn't belong to a group. The myth of the "trenchcoat mafia" is one of many that came out of the early days after the shooting and have since been debunked. As the original commenter stated, Harris was actually pretty popular. He wasn't out to get a particular group. He wanted to kill everyone. He settled for his high school and ended up failing miserably. He intended to kill many, many more people, but he was an incompetent bomb maker. He was also the textbook definition of a psychopath and Klebold was a suicidal depressive looking for a way out. They were both intelligent kids who had superiority complexes.
The story that the girl in the library professed her faith before being killed has also been debunked. It didn't happen.
And one that everyone should be required to read before they do any comparisons to Columbine, although I'm afraid it's a lost cause to get people to accept the facts of Columbine. The legend is so much palatable.
Iraqi army and police have a wonderful new toy, dowsing rods to detect bombs and explosives...
Some wonderful UK company called ATSC is selling them $60,000 dowsing rods made up of car antennas !!!!
http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/2009/11/...
Notice how the HATE MONGERING rIGHT is already denying this man any semblance of comfort ,NO the HATE MONGERS must hate even if it is one of our own. Simpathy for what the man did NO WAY, sympathy for wht bdrove the man to it YES, Remeber as the story unfolds you will find out that the RACIST< NAZI< SOCIALIST WHITE TRAILER TRASH, TEABAGERS with their hatred are partly responsible.
Please also note NON of these HATE MONGERS have served they like the past administration are COWARDS, flag waver and photo op oppurtunist. oh yes and lapel pin wears, ask them if they served duh ! all you got to be is a good citizen..
PS for you HATE MONGERING RIGHT WING NAZIS I did my 20+ combat years you cowards and how do I know what is going on is because MY SON is also serving to protect the RIGHT WING NAZI TEABAGEING HATERS. psst he is on site now you GUTLES, SPINELESS< COWARDS.
Good job!
According to this NYT story, the shooter was shot several times and is not dead, as has been reported all evening. This story says he is alive and in stable condition:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06fortho...
and I don't think they're attributable to the chaos of the event! :|
a lot not adding up.
The army still uses horses?
Anybody getting news from FOX, should watch Rachel and co.I watched FOX, 3 days after 9/11 and was unable to stomac it.
They are nuts as now it has been reported that they have to continue acting like that because Rupert Murdoch a Australian businessman who was able to buy station TV all over the world without control want them to go to the extreme.
Glen beck crying is a fake.
Rachel Maddow is the less right or left comentator.
Al Gore told her that she does bring problemthat other newsman are ingnoring
She will be on Meet the Nation this Sunday
Geller's new update: "UPDATE: Here is the video. Watch your president after the worst act of war on the largest army base in American history. And Barack Hussein Obama gives a "Shout-Out" before he comments on the shooting."
guess she missed the Pet Goat photos on 9/11
calls it the "worst act of war on the largest army... blah blah blah"
1. It was not an act of war, Geller, you ignorant slut.
2. Ever heard of Pearl Harbor?
much worse attacks on American army bases by a group calling themselves the CSA back in the 1860's. And those WERE acts of war.
But Geller is as batshit crazy as Bachmann and all the rest of the teabagger contingent so it's not really surprising she'd spew ridiculous crazy shit.
yeah, it seems like the CSA is itching for another ass whooping these days.
Everybody get ready for the biggest wingnut hypocrisy fest ever! I was listening in the car on my way home tonight to a local radio station talk show lunk bemoaning how Washington has overtaxed our troops with multiple deployments and the Fort Hood shooting is the evidence. (Nevermind that the shooter has never been deployed even once.) "Will the Fort Hood disaster send a message to Obama that our troops have had enough of this fruitless war?" asks the dj.
Fuck it!
Why did Obama invade Iraq anyway?
Twilight Zone!
"Why did Obama invade Iraq anyway?
For the same reason he turned his predecessor's legacy of record prosperity into the Great Recession. He hates America!
is a wingnut hypocrisy fest since the contract on america, hell what am I thinking we have had hypocrisy since the invention of republicans. The party was started so hypocrisy would have a place to live.
"and no it's not the Jihad stupid"
The Rapture?
Sounds like this guy warned the military many times how he felt that he was losing it. But the army didn't want to hear it ignored him and then told him he was being deployed. Seem like a case where the army turned a blind eye to a soldier’s problem thinking nothing could go wrong and he snapped and went on a rampage.
This is a tragedy but seems like if the army paid a little attention it could have been presented.
the current veterans legislation in the Senate that deals with health care to veterans. I know this case is an active duty soldier but when next time it's a vet we can thank people like Coburn for it.
Tim McVeigh killed 160 Americans and wounded 450 others. But he was white and hated the fedrul guvment, so the wingnuts say he was just watering the tree of liberty.
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