Right-wingers have been looking for a fresh excuse to scapegoat Muslims, and Fort Hood gave them one
By David Neiwert Saturday Nov 07, 2009 8:00am
The right-wingers were out in force yesterday in their attempt to paint the Fort Hood shootings as an act of radical Islamist jihadi terrorism, and claiming that "political correctness" kept the military from screening him as a threat -- evidently simply because he was Muslim.
Kicking things off bright and early on that front were the gang at Fox Friends, especially Brian Kilmeade and Gretchen Carlson. Kilmeade asked Geraldo Rivera early on the show:
Kilmeade: Do you think it’s time for the military to have special debriefings of Muslim Army officers — anybody enlisted? Because if I'm going to be in a foxhole, if I'm gonna be stuck in an outpost, I've gotta know the guy next to me is not gonna wanna kill me.
Actually, Brian, they wouldn't have to be Muslim, or anything else, to want that -- especially, one suspects, after more than an hour in close proximity to your charming personality.
Then Carlson chimed in:
Carlson: I want to ask this question another way. Could it be that the military, because our society -- let's face it, our society has become very politically correct -- could it be that the military was also exercising political correctness, even though he had a poor performance report, and even though he spoke openly about being a radical Muslim, and had those supposed postings online, could it be that the military was exercising political correctness in not approaching him as seriously as they would have had he not been a Muslim?
Rivera answers "Yes," of course, but the answer is actually, "Political correctness has nothing to do with it." After all, the Army allows neo-Nazis within its ranks to post online and does not treat them as a particular threat -- even though they pose a variety of problems, not the least of which is that they tend to become violent themselves. If the military is practicing "political correctness," it's a peculiar kind.
Moreover, as Spencer Ackerman put it, this is a spectacularly short-sighted bit of bigotry.
But this is the way it goes. We were told by Fox News that to blame right-wingers for the actions of George Tiller’s murderer or the anti-Semite who shot up the Holocaust Museum was out of line. But Muslim soldiers — people who guard the freedoms that Fox bleats about with jingoistic sanctimony — are to be slandered by association. This is a disgrace to the memories of Spc. Kareem R. Khan, Capt. Humayun Saqib Khan, and so many others who have given their lives for this country.
David Frum, notably, chimes in with a provocative reminder for the jingoes.
That was only the beginning. These same notes were repeated throughout the day. Ackerman also noticed Allen West, a former Army lieutenant colonel "promoted by the National Republican Congressional Committee," quoted in The Hill:
"This enemy preys on downtrodden soldiers and teaches them extremism will lift them up,” West said in a statement. “Our soldiers are being brainwashed.”
The release added that West claims “the horrible tragedy at Fort Hood is proof the enemy is infiltrating our military.”
Then there was Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey:
Retired 4-Star General Barry McCaffrey, who attended a fundraiser Thursdays night in Rochester for the Veterans Outreach Center, believes today's shooting could turn out to be an act of terrorism. “This is going to turn out to be a political act. People who are frightened of deployment don't murder their fellow soldiers. This was completely out of the ordinary, we've never seen anything like this. We have murders periodically in the armed forces, but it's somebody 20 years old, drunk, it's two o’clock in the morning, it's drugs, it's girls, it's cards its something so this was planned mass murder.”
Blue Texan at Firedoglake has a decent roundup from the wingnutosphere. Media Matters has the rundown of the insanity in the right-wing media.
Interestingly, later that morning on Fox and Friends, Kilmeade interviewed two real experts -- Dr. Paul Ragan, a former Navy psychiatrist, and Pat Brown, a professional criminal profiler -- who basically tried to explain that he was full of crap when he tried to paint the event as an act of Islamic jihad.
Kilmeade: It seems to me, Pat, religion plays a role. He perhaps was on a different mission.
Brown: Well, Brian, actually, I think religion does not play a role in this. What we're actually looking at is a typical mass murderer.
Mass murderers are either two age groups. They are either teenagers, who are disgruntled with where they are in life, and don't think they're going to be anything -- those teenagers that say 'I'm being bullied and nobody likes me, and so let me take everybody out -- or they're middle-aged men who are going downhill in life -- they're having problems with people, personality issues, you know, going up against authority. For whatever reasons, they're failing, and then when they start failing they have to find something to hang their hat on, they have to blame something.
So he happened to pick what he picked. But I don't think it really has anything to do with him being Muslim or any kind of "jihad." I think he just wanted to kill people and this was his excuse.
Kilmeade: Well, he did yell out, "Allah," that's kind of an odd thing to yell out for somebody who was just unhappy with his success in life.
Brown: But he was already going downhill. He's a psychopath, and that -- he's gonna say something.
Ragan went on to back up Brown's assessment. Kilmeade just didn't want to hear it.
Nobody on the right does. Because it's so much easier to bash Muslims when you have great cover like this, and the folks on the right aren't going to let it go to waste.
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The desire on the part of so many progressives to deny that this was a Jihadi act puzzles me. I'm a progressive - voted for Hillary in the primary and Obama when he was our candidate, but this was clearly a Jihadi act - not that the guy was part of an organized group. When a guy of Palestinian descent goes berserk shouting Alahu Akbar, we are definitely seeing Muslim extremism. This isn't to say that all Muslims are anti-American extremists, any more than Timothy McVeigh proves that all conservative wingnuts are anti-government extremists who are dangerous.
This is an Islamic example of the right wings "Lone Wolf" thinking.
literally hundreds if not thousands of the right wing "lone wolf" cases and very few Islamic instances. I'm talking here in America so no one bother with every suicide and roadside bomb story in Iraq and Afghanistan in reply.
Actually, Brian, they wouldn't have to be Muslim, or anything else, to want that -- especially, one suspects, after more than an hour in close proximity to your charming personality.
ROTFLMAO! Thanks David, I needed that!
Brian would ever have to worry about being in a foxhole or at an outpost with anyone wanting to kill him. Chickenhawks don't join the military and wouldn't want to get dirty in a foxhole.
Good call ron. You should see Jesse Ventura setting Kilmeade straight on what a military chicken shit he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb9Y_HuHeR0&fe...
Here's the link. The dialogue is good but the body language is pretty awesome too, Kilmeade looks like a guy who thinks he might get slammed, but speaks like a guy who has a bunch of friends around that will bail him out.
walked off Schuster's show yesterday. Another chickenhawk.
Boy that's the truth. They like talking the talk but sure not likely to walk it. I would ask about the skinheads who have been in the military for many years. I wonder what they would say about them. I am willing to bet they'll give them a pass.
... deliberately joined the military to get weapons and tactical training. The military was so desperate they allowed them, even with felonies.
Not that there wasn't a strong Xstain influence already in place to welcome them.
"...and even though he spoke openly about being a radical Muslim..."
Where did he say this?
Gretchen made it up. And that makes it news :-(
The poor man is Crazy, obviously, but suffering from too much empathy rather than none.
As for Fox's idea of debriefing Muslums: I don't think they know what debriefing means. All the soldiers should be screened for mental wellness. duh.
A double screening for Muslims should do the trick, with the second doctor being a priest.
they could perform an exorcism on the muslim and he would be cured.
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Post-traumatic dis-embitterment syndrome.
Everyone familiarize yourself with this term. It is new and hot!
It refers to the feeling you get when you put a whole lot of work into a relationship or a job and it all falls apart.
New pills to follow.
I think Hasan was closer to the guy who shot up his former employer's office in Orlando yesterday than some jihadist.
I'm guessing he was frustrated with his employer (Army) at his poor job review and transfer; the Orlando shooter blamed his former employer's dismissal of him for his current lot in life.
A man (traditionally) identifies himself with his JOB and his ability to provide for himself as his value to himself, family and community. Take that away and he has little but frustration and anger.
Yep. Like my post above, a classic case of post traumatic dis-embitterment disorder. You guys have to trust me on this, I watch Criminal Minds religiously AND I've been fired from several jobs.
Let's just call it what it is-- "F*ckin' pissed off at getting f*cked over by _____________ and, damn it, I got me a gun!"
Oh yeah, big pharma can make lots of money off their new legal pills. Other "medications" = no profit.
You can't heal a disease until it has a label. Then you can go through the branding process where you educate them of its existence. Then you describe the symptoms as broadly as possible, such as headache, sweating, or not feeling totally excellent about yourself all the time. Then you introduce the pill that makes that which was not there to begin with go away.
This time forever.
Or as long as you keep taking the pills.
When you take away my job, I don't shoot up the place shouting "Allahu Akbar."
When a Xstrain shoots up the workplace they're called disgruntled. When they commit an act of terrorism they're isolated incidences. When they shoot doctors in church they're applauded.
When they shoot Koreans and/or Jews in a killing rampage they're off their rocker, no reason to blame christianity for any of those acts.
But one Muslim that has been bullied by the Xstain extremists for years, gave notice that he didn't want to kill other Muslims in illegal wars suddenly represents all Muslims.
p.s. They didn't take away his job, your initial premise is just as sad and broken as your beliefs.
Can you hear my violin playing for this poor, poor killer? You know nothing about him but he gets the benefit of the doubt? Do you like all religious fanatics?
I think we'll be seeing more of this kind of sick violence now that these 2 guys have acted out....and the 'media' will continue to harp on it (mostly with conjecture and lies) .......
political battles. You've got a "bad guy with a gun" that holds everyone else "hostage" (the victims themselves, the community as a whole--Orlando was crippled yesterday).
Win/win.
Its like sweeps week for the news channel.
Gotta sell them commercials.
it will be used more and more as an excuse to all out the "Star Wars shock troops", or what we used to call police, who are now 'men in black' with itchy trigger fingers and an arsenal of very dangerous weapons.
Whether overseas or here at home.
It takes them thirty minutes to put on all that black stuff. By that time the spree is over but they sure do look awesome!
It's a powder keg out there. People are hurting and as the Prez said, turning to their guns and religion. The scarey thing to me is that firearms and ammo sails are booming and you have irresponsible people like Blech, Limbaugh, and Bachmann out there fanning the flames.
This can not end well.
You just gave me an idea:
A gun in the shape of a cross.
Then you could wear it around your neck every where you go. Protected by the constitution in TWO ways, whenever, where ever someone steps out of line, you can show them the Right way!
Antidepressant side effect? Suicide among soldiers, too.
2 ... 1 ...
(Disclaimer: I'm Republican, and know my people. I am fully capable of channeling the Right Wing White Male Reality, and I'm certain that this is actually being said)
We should comb all the Muslims out of the military, all branches, just to be sure there are no terror cells other than decent Christian American terror cells.
While we're at it, we need to get all the women out as well. If the Good Lord Jesus had wanted women in the military he would have given them penises.
/snark off/
I shall now go wash my mouth out with lye.
McVey and Bundy were Christians, so what?
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Al?
All Peg's friends were trying to warn her. He had all the classic symptoms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HWa9asBxw8
this would take barely warm hands to knock down, "flame" not needed
you take a selective list of nasty crimes, catapulted by the media, and use that as proof.
take a moment, go to the southern poverty law center and check out the legions of militant and extremist organizations that use Christianity as excuse for hatred and violence.
He says flame away to diminish anyone who proves him wrong. In other words a troll.
An occasional typo is expected, incoherent rant are unacceptable.
Nice trolling tho, you caught me a few times actually responding.
yes, religion DOES play a role if some heinous act is committed by a muslim. but, if an equally heinous act is done by a christian then religion did NOT play a role.
if you are christian or jewish then any illegal act you committed will be seen as an affront to your religious beliefs. but, if you are a muslim and illegal act committed is a reflection on your faith.
so sayeth the msm and political elite.
Faith Crimes?
Do we need some new legislation?
"Mention Jesus or Allah during your killing spree and get 50% off of your sentence!"
Bring on the IRS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA51wyl-9IE
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slight correction though:
"Mention Jesus during your killing spree and get 50% off of your sentence!"
"Mention Allah during your killing spree and either get 50% added to your sentence, or, if you are lucky, get shipped to syria to have your testicles crushed by a maglite wielding torturer"
Good catch samson. As an after thought I was wondering if I should have added time instead of subtracting, but I like your compromise.
I can't stand that creep, Brian Kilmeade. And I absolutely cringed when he had the gall to tell Andrea Bocelli (when Bocelli appeared on Fox News) that his mother is half Italian. Surely his mother can't stand him either.
... that have hijacked the GOP, are using it as an excuse to persecute Muslims.
What does surprise me is that they haven't latched on to the fact this guy is unmarried and tried to claim this as a homosexual-Muslim act. The daily-double.
Actually, it's my understanding that Coptic Christians also refer to God as Allah.
And although this might be a cultural leap, even though the guy is an American, Allah Akbar could almost be another way of saying Oh my God, which I hear all too often from "religious" Christians.
And why do they ignore the online postings of people like recent killers with conservative credentials? Someone say, like Shawna Ford?
And they were running a clip yesterday of the alleged shooter laughing and chatting in some store, and the question (non-faux news) was essentially, "Does this look like a man who's been abused?"
And the first thing that hit me was, "This is insufficient to know. Most shrinks say when dealing with a depressed patient often the worst sign is sudden cheerfulness. That means they've come to a decision; that decision could have a tragic outcome.
"Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "god" and is used by all Arabic Christians as well as Muslims. Like Christians and Jews, Muslims avoid speaking the actual name of the Abarahamic god, YHWH (Yahweh).
That's right, but it should be pointed out that Yahweh did not become an approved Hebrew vocalization until the 19th century, and probably only among the more "liberal" sects, and Jehovah is an Anglicism of of the Tetragammatron.
Odds are the individual and the sum of the letters either have a Kabballahistic significance or may be only an abbreviation of approved titles for God, and is not a proper name as such.
Interesting thing, I just noticed, under this spelling (there are variations), the letters allah appear.
Supposedly there was an ancient Babylonian God of barley and volcanoes named Jehovah. Although frankly it sounds like a variation of one of Jupiter's name's Jove, as in, "By Jove." Also modern scholars having pointed out the coincidence that there was a town in ancient Egypt named Yah named after the moon God of that name. Others were Thoth and Khonsu.
Damn Lon Chaney Mummy movies for getting me started!
I am not sure if they just wet themselves with excitement or if they actually came with their ragegasm. F***ing racists asshats.
But why are our soldiers downtrodden, Allen?
Frgn' right wing idiots.
I think there should be special debriefings and screenings for sportscasters to see if they can intelligently present the news and discuss the issues of the day.
I think there should be special debriefings and screenings for former beauty queens to make sure they are intelligent enough to discuss issues of the day. They also need to be screened to see if they might just have some personal sex video tapes in their closets.
Lastly, according to reports, that guy in Orlando who sent on a shooting rampage yesterday was fired over 2 years ago by that firm; when asked why he did it, he apparently said that the company left him "to rot." Perhaps kilmeade should inquire whether or not we should set up a surveillance system whereby anyone who gets fired from their job and is without work for, say, 6 months, 1 year, or longer, is spied upon. You know, disgruntled workers have committed carnage like this before.
Idiots, I tell you.
Also,,,I've been noticing that the log-in menu for C&L (username, password) has been showing up at the very bottom of the page lately, instead of at the top. Anyone else notice this?
I've noticed that the log-in may not appear unless a thread is opened in a separate tab (doesn't appear at all on the homepage), but is still on the upper right. I think it's an issue here at the site, as I just sterilized my computer yesterday.
I've noticed that this problem only seems to happen on the homepage of C&L. If I go to a previous page, the login and blogroll do show up, as usual, at the top of that page.
This problem occurs on my new desktop running Vista and IE7. It also occurs on my old PC running XP and IE8. If I use Firefox the problem still occurs. So I think you're right that it's likely an issue at the site.
Thanks.
It's not the right being racist or bigots at all. It's them wanting to say that Obama didn't keep us safe from terrorist.
Given that the Fort Hood murders are federal crimes under federal jurisdiction, and the Administration's position (look forward, not backward) on Bush's war crimes, does this mean they will promote the shooter to Lieutenant Colonel and assign him to Hawaii?
Hey, if it's good enough for war crime murders, it must be good enough for Fort Hood murders.
Or, to restate, if Bush had been the Fort Hood shooter guess we would be looking forward and not backward as he is above the law.
against Christians after the Russell shooting in Afghanistan??
I didn't think so!
So does that mean when the blackwater goon squad opened fire on Iraqi civilians, of the abuses at Abu Ghraib occurred, it was because they were Christians?
Or is the determinative factor that they didn't attack their own?
What religion advises people to attack their own?
They were shouting Christian slogans when they killed the Muslims.
A new video on YouTube shows a guy from Utah saying that his daughter was at Fort Hood and she claim's the shooter spoke Arabic words during the act.
Wolf Blitzer (of Balloon Boy fame) needs to interview this guy to get the truth out of him because his story sounds very fishy.
Sorry I can't post the video. YS?
Why is everybody so upset over this shooting? The guy did exactly what we taught him to do - use violence to solve a problem.
then you would have had an excuse to scapegoat everything right wing.
I'm quite sure you would have even blamed the very same persons you can see in this video, for causing it by their "hate speech".
...are religious fundamentalists on 'the left'? Does it make a difference which religion? Are the Taleban 'leftists'?
Many of you sond like the rightwing did after Von Brunn's terrorist act. He's mentally disturbed; he's a lone gunman, etc. As Dave Niewert said of at the time, "Right-wingers like to use the solitary nature of this kind of terrorist act to dismiss them as "isolated incidents...So when Bill O'Reilly shrugs the Holocaust Museum shooting off onto the dustbin of that lengthening list of "isolated incidents," you have to ask yourself why."
Well is it not appropriate to ask "why" of Niewert himself, especially considering islamic supremacist terrorism is far more prevalent in this world than the white supremacist type? Just recently, a soldier was killed in Little Rock by a politically motivated Muslim convert upset over US foreign policy. I understand the need not to scapegoat Muslims, but that should mean we censor discussions of religious violence anymore than we should refuse to discuss white supremacy out of fear of enabling anti-white violence, though to be fair we should be more careful in regards to Muslims since they are a vulnerable minority in this country.
Nor do I believe discussion should be limited to violent rhetoric emanating from Muslim culture. This man appears to harbor some classic radical leftist views, like his justification for suicide bombings, which resemble arundhati roy's violent screeds. Did this blog condemn that rhetoric?
I ask this because Neiwert often explores how Beck and O'Reilly validate right-wing violence, but similar rhetoric emanating from the left goes unexplored. Anti-war rallies, for example, have been hotbeds fro anti-semitism, 911 conspiracy theories, and violent rhetoric. This created a culture where violence against our military is deemed acceptable in the minds of a deluded lone gunman.
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at the time where von Brunn had been being harassed and abused for his ethnicity and religion. Do you have links to that?
Show me one link or quote or video clip where Arundhati Roy has praised or advocated violence and/or suicide bombings.
it's a bunch of BS out of his ass the same as all the rest of what he said. And said poorly I might add.
There won't be any sources provided, but I know why they make claims like that.
Wouldn't life be a lot easier if we all used that kind of simplified preschool logic?
She famously supported the iraqi resistance, as opposed to simply opposing the war and occupation. you know, the resistance that terrorized innocent iraqis daily, commited suicide bombings and beheadings. She's also thrown her support being Naxalites, violent Maoists in south India. that's right Maoism, and ideology arguably more bloody than nazism, as the cultural revolution demonstrates.
"But the longer you stay, the more you're enforcing these tribal differences and creating a resistance, which obviously, on the one hand, someone like me does support; on the other hand, you support the resistance, but you may not support the vision that they are fighting for. And I keep saying, you know, I'm doomed to fight on the side of people that have no space for me in their social imagination, and I would probably be the first person that was strung up if they won. But the point is that they are the ones that are resisting on the ground, and they have to be supported, because what is happening is unbelievable."
http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx...
"Ms. Roy made an appeal to people to "become the Iraqi resistance," adding that activists "need to understand that Iraq is engaging in the frontlines of empire and we have to throw our weight behind the Iraqi resistance.""
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=11000...
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is violence. Up is down, black is white, in is out, &c...
I fail to see the connection with your assertions. So, please cite the specific instances. Or, keep going off topic. Your choice.
I'd engage you with some opposing remarks. But I'm tired of feeding trolls.
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to US Army Maj. Hasan being "someone with leftist views" too. Other then the one out of your ass.
"Retired Colonel Terry Lee said that Nidal had made repeated remarks voicing support for persons who acted violently against U.S. authorities and troops. Outside of a conference room, and in conversation with other officers, Nidal voiced the notion that President Obama would now pull troops out. According to Lee, Hasan frequently made his anti-war views known about Iraq and Afghanistan. As time went on, Colonel Lee said , Hasane became more and more agitated. He argued with other soldiers, enlisted and officers, mainly about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and was trying to get his deployment cancelled by appeals through the chain of command."
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2361...
and to claim it is purely moronic, half-witted and obviously parroting some right wing demagogue, who knows better, but wants to work up the fuck witted minority in this country.
Couldn't have been the ones who bullied Hasan because of his name and religion, could they? I'm just wondering ...
And BTW, someone wondered about why little attention was given to the female cop who shot him. Don't know about that person, but a whole story on her and a large picture was in my morning paper. Sounds like quite a bit of attention to me.
Guardian, Independent and BBC all have articles up about her as well.
has the right wing needed a reason. They just make shit up anyway.
I'm still reserving judgment on a lot about the Fort Hood massacre because I don't think we have a decent account of the facts yet. It particularly strikes me that on Thursday, hours after the event, the base commander was reporting that the guy who is apparently the only real suspect was dead. Did he really not know something so key to the situation that the (apparently) one known attacker was alive?
I wouldn't want to write off the suspect's religion as a possible motive, though I'm not assuming anything at this point. I also take it for granted that whatever the facts are, decent people should oppose their misuse for anti-Muslim bigotry or Beckian conspiracy theories. Even if he were acting alone, politics or religion could well have been part of his motive. Killing other soldiers is not anything American critics of the current wars encourage or approve. Although I'm not sure the anti-gay, anti-war fanatics from Westboro Baptist Church would disapprove of such actions.
War critics don't approve of PTSD or depression among veterans either, but those are part of the consequences of war. This Fort Hood incident was worse than others of that type we've had, but it's not the first case of soldiers deliberately killing other soldiers in the last eight years.
Christian Right types calling for more thorough scrutunity of soldiers' religious affiliations and how it affects their attitudes toward their missions may turn out to be a case of "be careful what you pray for because you just might get it."
Because, as the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and others have been documenting for years, the military is turning a blind eye to hardline Christian (and ChristianIST) fundamentalist groups proselytizing in the military. It was Andrew Bacevich's chapter on the topic in "The New American Militarism" that made me realize how serious the problem has become. And there's the fact of far-right radicalism of a more secular vein that Dave mentions in this post and that the SPLC has been documening.
If Congress could stop pretending that every general and colonel in a uniform is some plaster saint who must never be criticized, a general investigation of religious extremism among the officer corps could actually be a very good thing. And tightening down on the recruitment of people with far-right extremist affiliations would be a good idea, as well.
When I was in the Air Force there were complaints that most of the military chaplaincy were of the High Churches (Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopal etc), from the Low Churches.
It looks like the Low Churches have taken over the game, and have been in open defiance of the UCMJ as regards to proseltyzing, also in GO 1A, J.
Yes! Yes! Yes! the wacko racist Nazi Hate Mongers get a new dose of HATRED, Twisted Truths and lots of LIES. LIE,LIE,LIE.
This Moron and his Bitch hasn't been any where, Living in the Green Zone having a half a Battalion of Troops protecting your sorry ass does not count as being there.
Nazi are in lock step when they start screening Muslims we start registering christians and TAXING them and their properties.
Again Ignorance is bliss and these talking asshole are in heaven HATE,HATE, HATE. Remember Rev. Jones and South America, why weren't the Christians examined. remember the attack on the JEWISH child care center again a CHRISTIAN, remember the Postal Attacks again a CHRISTIAN Wow! and now one of our own of another religion breaks down and kills innocents and yuou HATE MONGERING NAZI CHRISTIANS want to condemn a whole innocent community.
Here is a challenge for you NAZIS do you know the difference between a Shia and a Shite DUH! (trick question they are Muslims), I think we should start registering ALL Christians that show any sighs of HATRED (there goes the Inbred White republican party of NO).
This is despecable one of our own goes nuts and all a HATE MONGER wants to do is condemn a innocent community, to justify their HATRED od something different, well here is a news flash I have a GREATER FEAR of the Nazi WHITE TRAILER TRASH Inbred christian then I do of any other religion. The Main reason is their STUPIDITY and Hatred of their fellowman.
Oh the moron in Florida WHITE CHRISTIAN shot up a office how come that isn't terrorism (oh he is WHITE and CHRISTIAN), we need to start monetoring the CHRISTIAN a lot closer.
School bully verbally abusing some kid at school for a very long time.
When he's had enough, he snapped. Just like a school kid shooting up a school.
I expect more of these type of instances in the future.
Racism can drive some people past the point of tolerance.
Would it be apropos to point out that the victims of the shooter are going to be getting medical attention courtesy of the government?
When I first the first reporting came in about the "harassment" hassan "suffered" I thought it was the chickens come home to roost ala columbine. Ya know poor peace loving muslim harassed by hypachristian bigots.
Well, the latter is probably true, but the former? NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT.
As we learn more about this wahhabi sonofabitch; he wouldn't allow his picture to be taken with women, the little bastard couldn't find a wife because he demanded one that would crawl around on the floor 5 times a day wailing at a crazy sky god while wearing a bee keeper outfit. Didn't fit in? Alienated? Ya think?
THIS WAS ALL WELL KNOWN BY THE ARMY along with his sub-standard performance appraisals, sufficient for the army to give him his wish and let him the EF out. But since cheney's dirty war mongering has stained and stretched the military so thin, not only did they not kick this bastard to the curb, THEY WERE GONNA SEND HIM TO THE MIDDLE EAST. If they had done what any decent chain of command should do with any other religious whack job, this tragedy probably wouldn’t have occurred.
Have I mentioned how much I hate these people?
good points being made - different beleifs can produce lone wolf and/or organized terrorism? would think so.
bible says you cannot worship god and mammon, how many times have we heard the expression, the almighty dollar?
maybe people can worship other things than an imaginary god?
like themselves?
a financial system?
true beleivers will tell you faith is the evidence of things not yet seen, not much of a circular argument.
but then you have unemployed people, people who work,work,work - to payinterest on a loan - or make slave wages in china.
must be careful who you criticize though, you could be insulting someones religion?
then you have millions and millions of women walking around in burqas lest the morality police come beat them with sticks, contrasted with gay marriage, the right to choose, and supposed trillion $ deficits.
they say it takes all kinds to make a world, looks like the great divide, or more like a yawning gulf.
How about we just ask!
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