Michael Moore vs. Sean Hannity: Watch for yourself and judge
By David Neiwert Wednesday Oct 07, 2009 1:00pm
After John Amato suggested it, Michael Moore wound up on Sean Hannity's Fox News program doing a one-on-one debate last night. It was classic cable talk TV, a serious go-round between two of the most capable verbal pugilists of the left and the right.
Judge for yourself, but it looked like it was no contest: Moore consistently threw Hannity out of his talking points and onto Moore's own political terrain, in part because he was able to claim the high ground -- both ethically and morally.
The key moments:
-- When Moore asks Hannity if he believes in "conspiracy theories" about WMD in Iraq.
-- When he tries to pin Hannity down on his own church attendance. It's precious.
John Amato:
Well, you have to say that Michael Moore lived up to his promise to me in our exclusive interview when he said he would go on FOX Noise with Sean Hannity and give them a little "something-something."
Amato: Would you ever go back on FOX again?
Moore: Yes,I would go back on FOX again. I would not go on Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck because they use far too much hate speech and calls for violence and I cannot participate with anyone that goes down that road. I stayed off because somebody at the studio told me that whenever I go on their ratings go up and I'm not interested in helping them sell products and make money for themselves and having said that I'm ready to tee up (garbled audio, but I think he said Hannity) Hannity I think pretty soon.
Amato: That would get huge ratings and it's also really enjoyable to see you kick them around because you know the type of Democrat that go on most of the time that are just so weak and that's the way they like them so that they can serve them up and kick them around.
Moore: Then I will make a point during this tour to try and go on one of their shows and give them something-something...
Amato: Do it for the blogosphere! (laughs)
Moore: Do it for the blogosphere. This one's for you!
Bill O'Reilly and Beck have both remained pretty quiet over Moore's comments to me that he would never go on Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck because they are part of the hate speech that has promoted violence in our society. Moore did this for the blogosphere and you know BillO is fuming.
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What's Shammity smoke before he goes on the air?
Steaming pile of Central Park dog sh*t?
Actually the New Fair and Balanced American Media may be a good thing.
Now you can turn on Fox and see what you don't want to become, or the other way around.
Hannity won because he talked louder and faster, and used really cool words like millions, and terrorist, and "the BOMB".
He do that like they do? Fidgeting and impatient and stuff?
of rapid fire debate, remembering nothing when it's over.
Sean Hannity has an incredible instinct for stopping anything that threatens to become intelligent conversation dead in its tracks. If Michael Moore appears that he is going to parry Hannity's thrust, Hannity interrupts and tries to change the topic or context or at least to keep Moore from getting more than a few words out. All Dems including Moore should just boycott Fox and tell everyone that Fox news people just a bunch of Republican propagandists and that Dems prefer to deal with legitimate news organizations. People hate Republicans these days so that ought to fly.
Looks like two fats guys arguing over who eats the last pretzel.
Good one, Liberal AND Proud!
What I saw was Hannity finally had someone on his show who knows how to debate and has brains, and Moore kicked his ass big time.
This wasn't a fair fight. Hannity never had a chance. Moore's the one crunching on the pretzel.
... he let Hannity slip away when he asked about Health Insurance and Hannity said later.
Later never came.
You say it as if it were mr. Moore's fault Hannity is a slimy piece of dog fecal matter.
... him slip away. He should have insisted on discussing Healthcare instead of letting him off on a tangent about his interpretation of capitalism.
I am sure he should have tackled a milliard other things.
There is always something to bitch about, isn't?
insults the integrity of dog fecal matter. Dog shit ranks higher in honor than Hannity does.
Health Insurance
That's another movie
SICKO
... this was all a set-up/hit-job by the liberal blogosphere and their mouthpiece, Michael Moore.
Why, Bill-O might even finger John Amato as another of George Soros' minions.
the interactions of Hannity, Billo, and um... ummm... oh, I forget the other guy's name.... but anyway, I think it might be fun to watch them fume over each other.
Michael Moore is right about who/what really caused the meltdown....And Hannity should read this:
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/study-bush-blocke...
http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets...
Hannity can't read!
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Actually I thought it was a fairly good debate. By that I mean they didn't start yelling at one another and by today's standards, that's pretty good.
As to who won, well to be honest I would just about call it a tie. Both got their talking points in but Hannity kept changing the subject so Moore could never finish his points in the way we all know he can. Mostly it was Moore saying the causes were one thing, while Hannity said they were another.
For some reason I missed the part about church attendance. All I heard was who did Hannity have an altar to in his house after Hannity asked Moore did he have an altar to Obama in his house.
I find it difficult to believe Hannity read every word in his mortgage and understood it. "Understood" being the operative word. Anyone can read fifty pages of a contract but few will know what the hell they have just read.
I find it difficult to believe Hannity can read a menu at a restaurant and understand it...
Yeah, well that too.
I doubt he even read it. Most people trust their agent/broker and dutifully sign/initial where marked.
In our case we had a real estate attorney check it out before we got to the signing part. I have taken a bunch of law classes including real estate law, and I wouldn't trust my own knowledge on something that serious and important. Happily we got our mortgage ten years ago when things were rather sane in real estate. Also, thank goodness it's paid off.
And our broker/attorney was a former corporate real estate guy who retired and then did home sales for people he knew from his old job.
Many of the pages are forms for other things besides the actual terms of the loan. I could care less about the Truth in Lending Statement or similar documents they stick in there.
The meat is the Settlement Statement and the Mortgage Note. A person should at minimum should understand how much he's borrowing, all interest rate data, and monthly payments. Oh, and be on the lookout for anything the bank might have slipped in at the last second.
I seriously doubt there's any home that would cost more than he could afford in cash. He hasn't had to look at his paycheck in years.
Funny thing that happens to the privileged: They completely forget what it was like to struggle, or be taken advantage of by the wealthy and powerful.
It was a good debate. Sean can actually be polite and charming when he trys and Moore always keeps focused. I'd like to see them go again on the subject.
Polite and charming? I would say smarmy, punctuated with moments of thinly veiled condescension.
I can't get the videos to work ....
Anybody else having the same problem?
It's fixed now :)
Oh shoot! I feel like an idiot. For whatever reason I didn't see there were two videos so no wonder I missed the church stuff. Now I'll go back and watch the first one. Color my face red.
said it was a tie between Moore and Hannity.
Now I can't get either video to play so I'll just sit here quietly with my hands folded in my lap and read the comments of others.
I hit play, it took about 2 min. for the video to start. The cats loved the 2 min. of attention.
Things got funny here. I hit both clips and neither played, so I left the speakers on and went to the kitchen for a bit. As I was walking back down the hall toward the computer room, I could hear men's voices really loud. Since I am home alone it gave me a start. Then I came in here to see both clips playing at the same time.
Moore definately took the first round with a TKO.
The same for me (re computer). It was kinda spooky.
how do you scroll the comments with your hands folded in your lap?
... the National Center for Education Statistics (2005) 30 million Americans over the age of 16 are functionally illiterate.
Seems to me that would be all the republicans in Congress, Talk Radio and TV, and those in the red states.
They claim that they can't read 1000 pages in 3 months, but bash them nevertheless.
... read 60, no 70, no 90!!!!! books in a year in his 'reading contest' with Karl Rove.
(We later discover he counted newspapers.)
pamphlet as a book (for each flight).
And the instructions on a roll of toilet tissue.
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but if you actually check the NCES 2005 report, it says nothing of the sort.
You can find (via google) people claiming all sorts of numbers like this (40 million is another common one) but finding actual sources for these claims? Difficult.
Don't believe everything you read, especially from the likes of CBS.
You might want to read this :
http://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/overview.aspx
The latest literacy report was 2003, and told us that 14.7% of American adults lacked Basic Prose Literary skills. (Just under 44 million) But this figure includes those for whom English is a foreign language.
Why does the liberal blogosphere insist on calling this a win? Sean is a very dishonest debater, and "won" simply because he changed the subject every time he became uncomfortable, and Michael let him do it. Moore was too damn nice and let Hannity walk all over him.
To have a serious debate, you need a moderator. Hannity got to debate and be the moderator. By doing so he could control the time and the topics.
knows the subject, and not someone who just spouts Murdoch's talking points everyday. That Michael Moore got a word in edgewise seems like a minor miracle.
He promised to 'give them something-something' and he certainly did, without being rude or mean. In your face, Hannity!
btw, John, thanks for your excellent interview with Michael. Much appreciated!
Yeah, sure Sean. You got to talking about health care like a slug likes to talk about salt. Never.
and perhaps he respects MM more now because of money and success...which he sure likes to talk about.
You don't see Gulfstreams from the terminals or windows of where normal people fly.
Hannity will never be enlightened or educated...but he is a good propagandist...I will give him that.
Any parrot.
You are a multi-multi-millionaire right?
That is such a cheap canard.
What does Hannity have to say about credit default swaps or "Dead Peasant" insurance schemes,or the big fat no bid contracts of Halliburton or Bechtel etc?
I love seeing liberals stand up and refute these right wing talking points.
That hannity is to stupid to know that if not for a little luck there go I!
I know plenty of idiots like this. It brings me to the only possible conclusion. republicanism is a mental illness!
Somebody get the part where Sean says that terrorists arent criminals!
It's at 7:56. First clip.
the right wing with Sean Hannity included have been trying to belittle the efforts of Bill Clinton and other Democrats as adequate when fighting terrorism. Our approach has been to chase down the offenders and put them behind bars. This approach, has been extremely effective, in my opinion and in the opinion of most liberals but this is not enough for people like Sean Hannity. This is too tame and timid. Therefore, terrorists need a new category. Criminal is just too benign. This is why you need to launch B-1 bombers instead of an elite task force to kill or capture.
...nuts. And that is using Christ and Christianity against them. They of course are still convinced that they are the moral majority.
You start with the arguement that providing health care to all is a moral issue, which is pretty hard to argue, then throw in "What Would Jesus Do" for good measure. If they aren't sputtering like an old outboard by now, hit them with the coup de grace. "You know, when you really look at Christ's teachings, he is much more of a Socialist than a Capitalist. This is generally where they go apopleptic with rage, mainly because they have not been provided talking points that cover this.
Let them know he was the "original long haired Hippie."
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Christ was taking on the status quo, fighting for the poor and the needy and the prostitutes, railing against the moneychangers and the worshippers of money. To him, money and the material weren't only evil, they were worthless. His messages were clearly anti-capitalist and Communist. Which is why he was executed.
But forget all that Jesus said, because modern Christians have created a religion of their own, one that somehow elevates greed and selfishness to a virtue, that justifies murder and war, that leaves the most helpless and most needy out on the street to die.
8-O Can't believe Moore would go on Hannity! Can't believe Hannity would have Moore on his show!
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Only gotten through part 1 but I have to say Michael Moore did nail it. Always bring up the What Would Jesus Do to people like Hannity.
Works everytime on my religious (so called) relatives.
blossoming daily.
I have to say that was Michael's most pathetic debate. This was like a stone skipping on the surface that completely missed the issues of his movie. Look, it was obvious where Hannity was going with the nonsense about how well Michael did by capitalism in an attempt to portray him as a hypocrite. But instead of just acknowledging quickly that he has done well and moving on to pointing out the radical difference between the kind of systemic corruption that he has aimed to reveal and the honest earning of a living within the system where he is not exploiting anyone, i.e. his staff, his consumers, people of other nations etc...he goes on about the nonsense about what he owns, planes, religion...
It would have been nice to see him get to the depth of the issue, take control of the space or at least identify quickly some important points that he wanted to make and make them. Even the point about what Jesus would do was sloppy, unfocused and quite weak.
I think he could have made the distinction between capitalism as it applies to your mom and pop shops and small businesses which don't impose a threat to the greater populace and the abuses of large and multinational corporations which exploit people and plunder the earth.
I have to agree...
Good work John and David.
BOO on Michael Moore... BOO I SAY!!
Those on the Right don't argue, they bully.
Those on the left don't argue either... they cave.
What a shame.
Moore went on Hannity, but he just wasn't prepared. He thought he'd deliver a knowkout punch with his "I'm a Christian" argument. That just doesn't stand up. Sure, Jesus talked about the poor, but he also said a LOT of wacky things as well...
The Bible can be used to support just about any point-of-view.
Hannity kept hitting back with the fact that Moore IS A MILLIONARE, and Moore just couldn't admit to it. So Moore came off looking like hypocrite.
"Capitalism for me, but not for thee"
Why didn't Moore admit it and then just say the obvious...
"Yes, I'm a millionare."
"I have profited from the system. And SO HAVE YOU, SEAN!"
"But most of the rest of the people CAN'T. Just look around right in front of you. Look at the contract workers and interns who have been working at the studio for years. They help us do the jobs that make us FILTHY FUCKING RICH, but they have NO BENEFITS, NO RETIREMENT, NO HEALTHCARE and some have no pay."
"This is what American Capitalism has become... ALL FOR THE FEW, NONE FOR THE MANY"
"It's a RICH or LOSER culture. And the majority are LOSERS."
Why oh why couldn't Moore make that argument...??
I don't think Moore did the best job of arguing his points, he tried to be to buddy, buddy with Hannity for some reason. Why make a blistering critique of the system then be nice to one of its most immoral and dishonest propagandists?
However, this is off the mark, "This is what American Capitalism has become... ALL FOR THE FEW, NONE FOR THE MANY"
Capitalism has always been about all for the few, none for the many. We in the US and countries like us have been the few, the rest of the word (the vast majority) has been the many. It was always exploitive, unjust, anti-democratic, etc. We are no longer benefit from this however, so now it's time to notice some ugly truths. The rest of the world has known this. Many of those who want to immitate the American lifestyle either don't realize how unsustainable it is (and how impossible it is for everyone to achieve it given the limited amount of resources this planet has) or they don't care and want their moment in the sun.
I am not a Marxist, but Marx did say something that has relevance in this discussion (well, probably many things). The first of which is happening now, but far later than he predicted it would. What happens when wages stagnate in an industrialized country? What happens when debt rises, along with wealth concentration, etc? What happens when the system itself, not people within the system, fail in ways that can't be fixed within the system? He predicted that social revolution would break out first in developed countries who were essentially going through decline. I don't see revolution here or in Europe yet, but I see the potential for it (no mass social movements, little class conciousness amongst everyone outside of the rich, etc), given the dire circumstances we're in. The fundamental problems of the system have not been solved, they can't be solved if you want to continue to call the system "capitalism" with any descriptive accuracy. Honestly, the worse is yet to come. Will Marx be right about that point? If capitalism is saved, how will it not be saved at the expense (as usual) of the majority of the world's population?
Does the Nixon "I am not a crook" sample at the end of each video need to be 60 percent louder than the audio track everywhere else? I'd like to keep my hearing.
!!!!!
The battle is far from over!!!!
He can never understand the feelings some Muslims have for the US. Moreover, he never tries. Some might want to kill Americans, and that's all he needs to justify killing them.
As far as I'm concerned, he's put himself into the same hate basket as Islamic terrorists, where you can only uphold your version of the sanctity of life by killing others.
I am not a big Hannity fan. But Michael Moore is another story. Mr. Moore is both a great movie maker and great liar. Before signing that last statement off as pure BS, please look at this link:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=...
It's a trailer for a movie by Kevin Leffler called, "SHOOTING MICHAEL MOORE". Covering all the movies and books MM has put out at the time, it is just too painfully full of concrete evidence of how Mr. Moore has consistently lied, used people, and cheated the system for his own gain.
One of MM's favorite statements: "I was raised by two parents that always told us that we would be judged by the way we treated the least among us." Sounds good, doesn't it. With that in mind, take a look at the trailer. It has MM saying that statement, btw. In it, there are examples of people, the little guys who Mikey portrays himself to stand up for, who he literally screwed over. And why? He's making tons of money. Yet, his guy has NO PROBLEM stepping on his fellow man like some bug on the street. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, ON YOU MICHAEL MOORE!
And, if you have any doubts about what I am saying, the best thing you could do is see this movie...and then you will understand this link:
http://www.record-eagle.com/archivesearch/loc...
It's an article in the Traverse City Record Eagle about how Mr. Moore successfully prevented SMM from being seen in the Carmike Theater in Traverse City just before it was scheduled to appear.
If you see the movie, you'll understand why Mike doesn't want it shown anywhere. It has been shown in Florida and Detroit. The Florida audience was mostly Cuban. They LOVED it....for a lot of reasons. It is entertaining. But mostly because it shows the TRUE Cuban healthcare available to Cubans.
In Sicko, MM fabricates on film, a fairy tale of poor woe is me Americans that can't get the healthcare they need in their own country. So, they take a boat to Cuba, and the healthcare there is JUST GREAT!....Ok, yeah, for those particular Americans, they got great healthcare in Cuba. Why? Because Michael Moore makes Cuba look great by helping produce and allowing that clip in his movie.
We went to Cuba, to the same hospital. And, with concealed cameras, show how a common Cuban is not going to ever get into that same hospital, which has ONE floor on it with excellent healthcare, for high-up politicians and military... ONLY.
Then we go to the healthcare facilities for the common Cuban...Absolutely DISGUSTING. Filthy disease-ridden stained matresses and pillows, broken windows, buckets for toilets.
Kevin Leffler, the maker of the movie, was on a Hannity Clip sometime ago to discuss this very movie. So, Hannity, have you seen it yet? If you haven't, you need to.
Honestly, If you are a Moore fan, seeing this movie will change your thinking. Like I said up front, MM is a very good movie maker. He has exposed a lot of the BS in that goes on in this country. Why he felt he needed to screw over people he promised to pay for their appearance in his movie, or lie to people he filmed about what his real purposes were, is hard to understand....like the soldier with his arms blown off in Fahrenheit 911. The soldier learned he was in Moore's movie when someone told him they saw him in it.
Michael Moore will do anything or say anything to get what he wants and, if he thinks he can get away with it, will coldly grab for himself at the expense of others, ESPECIALLY those who cannot defend themselves against him.
It's really just too bad....'cause he does make a good movie...
The Fan Site for the movie: "SHOOTING MICHAEL MOORE": http://hypocrite.com.
Your righteous indignation is noted.
Why not just link to... by Jerry Johansen in October 8th, 2009 ?" Sent Response to Hannity about his Moore Interview: Moore Ammunition for Hannity: “SHOOTING MICHAEL MOORE”
or your home? Put down the rocks and step away from the keyboard. :)
If you get a chance maybe Richard Dawkins Selfish Gene may help explain Michael Moore's actions as well as your own? If your a happy creationist, maybe you'd prefer not to understand his scientific premise?
But keeping with the noted self-interest theme, this clip might help explain in general terms his self-preservation theory? There is a good chance you may have already seen it.? Thanks
July 29, 2007
Kevin Leffler
Filmmaker, "Shooting Michael Moore"
Snip - Owner of Kevin L. Leffler, CPA, PC. His CPA practice has 3 employees and concentrates mainly on small businesses. Also does a large number of individual tax returns (since 1990)
· Tenured Assistant Professor- Baker College-Flint. Baker college is the largest private college in Michigan (35,000 students) (since 1990)
My name is Jerry Johansen. I am one of the sponsors of the movie found in the title above, SHOOTING MICHAEL MOORE.
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, ON YOU "Jerry Johansen" :P
Michael Moore: Did you go to mass on Sunday?
Sean Hannity: I go every Sunday.
Michael Moore: You went to mass this past Sunday?
Sean Hannity: I did.
Michael Moore: It was just two days ago!
Sean Hannity: I went Saturday night. :-/
Fast forward and listen to the aformentioned conversation which occurred during the 3:30 - 4:00 minute portion of this 12:07 segment.
This brought to mind [Mike's Blog Roundup] and his link pointing out... The Rude Pundit
"Small is the number of people who see with their eyes and think with their minds."--Albert Einstein
what?
where?
was lost. This was just an argument over ideology.
Here's the point. Capitalism has failed at its core value.
In our country, people like SH condemn those who lose their home for whatever the reason, but conveniently forget how Wall St. companies acted when they failed at running their businesses.
They ran like little bitches to the government skirt that is WDC and begged for Socialism to save them.
WDC obliged and did nothing more than provide lip service to the citizens of little power who were IN THE SAME FREAKIN' BOAT as Wall St.
The hoops homeowners had to jump through just to be told "too bad" made it nearly impossible for them to tap into the same funnel of cash that shat trillions on Wall St.
That is the point. It was missed and I'm certain Hannity was pleased of that fact.
i thought this not a very strong exchange for moore at all and hannity is just a tool. catch the part about the 911 report and little soldier hannity selling this fake investigation as truth. that's rich indeed.
but using the christian's symbols to frame the argument is indeed the way to go. colbert did a great piece on jesus and money changers. i like to introduce mammon to the discussion as most christians seem not to know who mammon is. somehow the suggestion not to serve mammon gets lost...and now we will haveto deal with biblical capitalism. dear god, help us!
if people would just STFU about the Community Reinvestment Act:
The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.[1][2][3] Congress passed the Act in 1977 to reduce discriminatory credit practices against low-income neighborhoods, a practice known as redlining.[4][5] The Act requires the appropriate federal financial supervisory agencies to encourage regulated financial institutions to meet the credit needs of the local communities in which they are chartered, consistent with safe and sound operation. (See full text of Act and current regulations.[1] To enforce the statute, federal regulatory agencies examine banking institutions for CRA compliance, and take this information into consideration when approving applications for new bank branches or for mergers or acquisitions.
I'm not a fan of Michael Moore, but do have to admit I found him more likable after watching this interview. What I would like to see is a detailed in depth look at his life... what does his mansion(s)/apartment look like? How many millions is he worth?
What horrible working conditions do poor people have to endure to support his documentaries? For example... people that earn below poverty level wages working in movie theaters or ... what about the DVD versions of his documentaries - where are they manufactured (most likely China)... and if they are manufactured in China are they working in a sweatshop?
I can tell you for sure that Michael Moore IS promoting slave labor as I use to work at an Amazon.com distribution center. The same center where Michael Moore's books and DVD's are sold.
The working conditions are extremely poor. For instance on an average day in the summer, workers spend 10 hour shifts in temperatures well over 100 degrees walking on hard concrete up and down stairs.
One co-worker described the temperature at Amazon.com as "it's as hot as a sauna". Now, if you're not sure how hot a sauna is, I invite you to find one and sit in it for a few minutes. Then imagine yourself working for 10 hours at a fast pace sweating profusely and causing permanent physical damage to your body. And from these horrible working conditions Michael Moore gets richer and richer... fatter and fatter. By the way, he can't be doing that bad as fat as he is, right? Think about it.
Another tidbit from my experience working at Amazon.com is how many people complained of physical injuries. I only worked there a short time, but during that short time overheard several talking about "45% permanent damage to ankles", wrist surgeries, heat stroke, knee surgery and on and on.
So, Michael... I have a suggestion for you. Quit selling your merchandise through Amazon and sell it from your own distrubtion center. Pay your employees well and pamper them. Manufacture, distribute everything you produce with the standards you adhere to others and I'll be impressed.
I'll keep an eye on Amazon.com and see if you pull your merchandise.
is beyond disingenuous!! Mortgage lenders were falling all over themselves to create and market subprimes! I was a loan officer with one of the largest prime lenders during this entire fiasco, and I can assure you that mortgage lenders pressured all loan officers to market subprimes and to LIE! The levels of deceit in the banking industry are incredible!
A good friend of mine made an astute observation about the two major purchases most of us make here in the US: 1) we buy our first car, and many, many of us 'trust' the dealership to make us an honest deal; and 2) we buy our first home (most of us can only afford one home, or at least one at a time), and we 'trust' our loan officer to guide us through the process and provide us with an honest mortgage.
Given that at least half of US citizens are functionally illiterate and that almost all of us have fully embraced capitalism as the one true, unimpeachable economic system, is it even remotely a surprise that so many people ended up with mortgages they didn't understand and/or loans they were assured--in glowing, sincere terms by their imminently trustworthy loan officers--would make them a bundle?!?
I had to leave mortgage lending because I vehemently refused to sell subprimes. My manager's hostility toward the end of my tenure was palpable--and demoralizing. I would wager, however, that the many US citizens who've lost their homes--or are about to lose their homes--are having a far tougher time. For that, the mortgage industry richly deserves their comeuppance.
You seriously thought moore won, he just avoided hannity's crucial questions, and wouldn't let him talk, most of the things hannity is being accused of by you guys is stuff that moore did.
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