O'Reilly angrily bullies female guest, claims he can judge fitness of octuplets' mom
By David Neiwert Wednesday Feb 04, 2009 6:00am
Bill O'Reilly was in prime form last night with nearly a week's worth of weird video. But the weirdest had to be his discussion with two women attorneys, one of them a California prosecutor close to the case of the California mom who bore octuplets recently. O'Reilly is clearly of the opinion the state should intervene -- and he gets downright nasty about it, especially when one of the two women attorneys he brings on as guests, Courtney Pilchman, tries to bring him 'round to reality:
Pilchman: You know, I don't think it's abuse. And with all due respect, I think that there is nothing to indicate that this mother is substandard in any capacity. I've seen interviews in the local media where there's a nanny or housekeeper who says she's a wonderful mother. Now, adding the eight kids, that's gonna be a task. I wouldn't want 14 children -- most people wouldn't want 14 children. But unless those kids are not receiving the proper medical attention, they're not receiving food, there's no abuse.
O'Reilly: OK, but Ms. Pilchman, I have to challenge. You're gonna sit there and you're gonna tell me that a woman with six young children at home -- allows herself to give birth to eight more, and she's a wonderful mother?
Pilchman: She could be, there's nothing --
O'Reilly: With a three-bedroom apartment, with no father, and no -- and can't afford anything -- you're gonna say she's a wonderful mother, madam? Don't you know how s-- ... outrageous that sounds?
Pilchman: You know, Bill, what evidence do we have that she's not a good mother?
O'Reilly: We have 14 human beings! One of which weighs a pound and a half! Isn't that enough evidence, counselor?!!
Pilchman: No. No. Premature births happen all the time.
O'Reilly: Oh. It's not. Then we're living in a twilight zone, we're not living in America anymore! If a pound and a half baby, and 14 babies in a three-bedroom apartment, or house, is not enough evidence, we're not living in America anymore! We're living in 'do whatever it is you wanna do, we don't care about the kids'! That's what we're living in!
Now, I'm not a woman, but I wonder how women who view this video feel about Bill O'Reilly afterward.
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I... think I... agree... with... Bill... O'Reilly...
Yes, me too.
Two parents have enough difficulty paying enough attention to one child. This single mother, even with her parents help, cannot properly give the emotional and intellectual support those children will need.
But to agree with Bill O'Reilly(ptui!)? I've got to find my college statistics textbook and review the "Even a Blind Squirrel Finds an Acorn Once in a While" scenarios.
I thought Bill was a Catholic. This is just being fruitful and multiplying. Is he at war with the Bible?
Yeah, and Mary was 13 and unmarried, only betrothed.
When the average life expectancy is around 40 and the quality of life isn't that great to begin with (not to mention the infant mortality rate)... it's not uncommon during those times to have betrothed young mothers.
Could you imagine 14 Jesuses?
I think that's the lawn crew where I work.
wriggle around when the issue is bat shit crazy mom vs. certifiably crazy right wing celebrity.
:P
the self righteous. I guess it is the Catholic upbringing or the invitro experience with a Cathloic doctor, or being an adoptive parent of a biracial middle schooler. You get to see lots of it and you might as well laugh.
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Wed, 02/04/2009 - 07:34 — ysbaddaden
I think that's the lawn crew where I work.
tsk,tsk,how un pc,funny though
I've worked with the 14 Jesuses. They work miracles on an unkempt lawn.
but in America today they won't take that kind of work.
Of, course, in Plano, where Ysbaddaden is from, the teenagers do themselves in rather than do lawns.
with a huge black tar heroin problem among the wealthy future Thugs of Murika in HIGH School?
A bunch of rich smartass teens just getting well.
I was only making my typically sick reference to its one time status as the teen suicide capital of Texicas and America. It is home to Lance Armstrong to, although I hear he has moved to Austin to pursue water hole pollution, water wasting, and Republican politics.
Billo is Catholic. But I imagine his problem with this might be that he suspects this mother is non-white.
Don't beat yourself up too bad, this one's kind of a no-brainer!
What I have a problem with is him using the fact that one of the babies weighs 1 1/2 pounds as reason to call this woman a horrible mother. Newsflash, O'Highley: Premature and multiple-births oftentimes are very low weight!
So, according to O'Liely, any baby that is born under a certain weight should immediately be seized by the state! Brilliant!!!!!
That 1 1/2 lb baby might someday grow up to be the first president, from a litter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CaBR3z85c
What I have a problem with is him using the fact that one of the babies weighs 1 1/2 pounds as reason to call this woman a horrible mother.
Kinda like calling Mrs. O'Reilly a horrible mother for giving birth to this piece of human excrement.
he liked to refer to himself as a "piece of humanity". :)
I don't defend the way O'Lielly brought it up, but I think I understand the reason he did. Yes, premature babies will be terribly underweight and vulnerable. The lady knew that, and had plenty of time to make a decision that could have improved the situation for the more healthy babies. She knew from the start that one-and-a-half pounds was a likely outcome, and yet she chose to accept that risk. I'm a little outraged myself.
Well, I also read the kid's own grandmother saying the daughter had issues and that having babies was the only thing she felt she could do right. Nice to know I'm not totally alone in this.
Mom doesn't have PPSD or Munchausen Syndrome
I think it is obvious that she needed medical assistance. I think it was probably obvious for some time. I think it constitutes malpractice that the doctors just kept taking her money and adding to her collection without a moments concern for her mental health.
I think that the quality of care the babies receive would be the determining factor of her parenting abilities.
Not whether or not Bill0 thinks she is entitled to have children without a husband.
I do agree this is ridiculous. Why hasn't the doctor, who did the in vitro, been brought to light?
You are talking as if she had a choice in the matter. Its not like she chose to have 8 kids in one go.
First of all, if she had gotten an abortion, O'Wanna-be would be bitching about how she had killed off over half of her children.
Second, there are other families out there right now who are having upwards of 15 or 17 children and O'Flailing isn't saying anything about these clans.
The Duggars on TLC's show 17 and Counting: http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/17-kids-and-count...
Or the Gosselins on Jon & Kate Plus 8.
If this woman was well off, telegenic, or making all these babies for Jesus, she'd get her own teevee show.
I absolutely hate this trend. It almost seems like they're encouraging women to keep popping 'em out. Women aren't dogs, they aren't supposed to have litters of kids.
as a woman i think it's astounding that this is unacceptable, but O'Reilly and his troops are precisely the same people who want to legislate mandated/enforced pregnancy and motherhood.
It feels really weird but I do agree with O'Reilly. I think hell just froze over.
yup, I know that feeling.
I think I agree, too. I think it was crazy for this woman to have eight children, especially seeing that she already has six more children than I ever desire to have. But to each their own.
I would ask if she is self sufficient. If not, then I have a *MAJOR* problem with this whole situation. But if she takes care of those kids, ok...whatEV. I heard her father speak one time and they seem to have an extended family thing going, a place large enough to sustain them (he said they had a large house somewhere else in the state which they all were going to retreat to once the kiddos could travel), so, who am I to say she shouldn't have 100 kids?
Me agreeing with BillO. Heh, there is a first time for everything.
I don't have enough facts to express an opinion one way or another about the bunch-o'-kids. What I will say without equivocation, however, is that O'Reilly has some serious anger-management problems, particular insofar as women are concerned.
Hey Billy-O: Why don't you step outside your protective Fox studio bubble and try bullying somebody your own size? So? Show us what you got, you fucking little dirtbag.
The problem is Bill is taking a generalization (Its hard to raise 14 kids by yourself) and applying it specifically to this one lady. Despite a common sense view that says one lady raising 14 kids by herself is a recipe for disaster, (personally I think she's a whacko) the fact is no one knows whats going to happen and all or some of these kids could turn out fine or terrible just like kids in ANY other environment.
Jaysus, gang. You agree with him that the state should intervene and take these children away from their mother just because she had a lot of them?
Two of my great-grandmothers had 14 children. It's true they were farming families, but the principle's the same -- I'd sure as hell never have done it, but I decline to judge those who do. And the notion that anyone has the right to step in where there are no signs of abuse or neglect is just appalling to me.
that the left has crazy ass nutjobs just like the right does.
doesn't mean they planted and harvested em eight at a time.
And watch the comments about the left. At least our nut jobs tend toward teh organic natcherl birthing midwifve favoring side.
IVF leaves me cold for some reason. Oh yeah, I am a lefty, pregnant, and will be giving birth at home with a midwife.
our nut jobs are better than their nut jobs. And your posts have been less nutty than almost all. Not much frutiness either. I think that is why they asked for mothers to opine.
Look into the story a bit more David and you might just find yourself agreeing also.
Billovating Billo. Has he not railed against family planning and been supportive of nutcase Palin to have kids and a new grandkid without Kid being married? Where is his double standard coming from?
BTW I do not think this lady is running on the correct rail lines. Anyone with 6 kids under 7 years old, unmarried and has 8 more needs serious mental therapy. The clinic that helped her needs to be investigated. It won't be long before some regulation is needed. Once again the free market fails and breaks down.
As sometimes happens with Bill, he makes a small sliver of a good point. The question is, what is the minimum level of care that we as a society are going to impose on parents? There are basic rules about child care that are spelled out in law.
Pilchman touched on this with the statement, "...but unless those kids are not receiving the proper medical attention, they're not receiving food, there's no abuse."
Now, once we start to get into emotional and intellectual development, it's a bit more tricky. What will we require that parents do? Will we take away kids from a mother that isn't sufficiently supportive in times of emotional crisis?
The point is that Bill took his sliver of a good argument and did what he always does, started yelling and hitting people over the head with it.
Bill may not like it, but the law does not say that parents have to live up to his expectations.
Bill can be a real tool sometimes but he is right on this issue.
This woman sounds mentally unstable and the doctor who agreed to the invetro procedure should have his license suspended while they conduct and investigation into his practice.
I think I see his point, too!
just got Mackrised in the Falafel Zone!
First these rightie loons want to force women to continue unwanted pregnacies by outlawing safe abortions. Now they want to control how many children we have? And they claim to be the party of "less government." What a bunch of hypocrital freaks!
...when they were able to infer from Nancy Pelosi's comments about the economy and childbirth that the Democrats were pushing limits to children being born, much like China. Now O'Reilly criticizes that she's birthed too many.
Too many or too little, the cons will squawk. O'Reilly won't be happy until each family has that perfect average of 1.8 children per household.
and the 1 is a boy and the .8 is a girl.
Thank you thank you thank you!
Precisely!
Probably by the money-grubbing 'fertility' doc...
THe mom is an idiot, but not de facto criminal or neglectful.
Though, unfortunately, those kids will suffer from the wholesale abnormality of their birth because, by their sheer numbers, they must be shorted in the vital attention that neo-nates so deperately need if they are not to grow up emotionally stunted...
If, as i read, she's shopping for a 'reality' show, or some kind of post hoc financial support based on the number in her brood--like those whacked-out Xianiban Kansas familly, the Duggars, with their now 20 (?) kids--then it gets more problematic...
I had a bit more to say about it.
... I think they're from Huckabee-country.
...he simply wants to judge this woman from his imaginary plateau.
Thank you LeftandLeft...
I believe he has just put forward an argument for abortion. It sounds something like...if you don't have the space required to take care of the additional 8 children you just discovered you're going to have, then you must abort, there are no other options because you are substandard...doesn't it sound that way to you?
Bill can take opposite postions on any subject depending on the circumstances. I noticed the same thing with Coulter's argument that the kids of single mothers were responsible for so much crime. What possible solution could there be? Abortion? State ordered sterilization?
We know he doesn't think, why do we care?
But seriously, for all the parroting of GOP talking points including Anti-Choice, why is he talking about this now?
I think it is a little creepy what this woman is doing and there appears to be some obsession with having children but until she breaks the law, I doubt there's anything that anybody can do to stop her. There's extremists on both sides of this fence.
I'm not a mom, but I spent many years as a baby sitter. I think any woman who would want 14 kids and eight of them infants at one time is nuts.
From what I understand the grandmother is taking care of the first six now while mom is in the hospital with the babies. The grandmother said when the infants come home, she is outta there. The news also said the Mom had declared bankruptsy a couple of years ago. So who knows what her financial situation might be.
I just heard a doctor on tv say that because there is sort of a dark cloud hanging over this whole thing that many companies who might donate diapers etc, won't because they don't want to be associated with this.
Seems to me the mom might have some sort of problem to even consider one more child when she already has six to tend to. We'll see how it all works out.
There is no doubt in my mind that the mom is a nut. Wanting more kids after having 6 already is crazy. Raising one kid is very difficult, I simply cannot imagine 6 and now 8 more. Oh I think my head is going to explode.
Perhaps she was hoping for her own reality show on TLC... They love the multiple babies there.
Holy crap... I spoke too soon...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7869345.stm
Maybe what people are learning there is it's too hard to have more than 6 kids.
I saw Joann Killeen on Larry King last night and she was as smarmy a white-washer as I've seen on TV since the election. Truly, I've seen few PR pros have to work as hard to deflect negative criticism from their clients. King is an atrocious interviewer to not call her on some of her BS, but I guess we knew that already.
one shouldn't have more dogs than one has hands.
I think that should go doubly or triply with children...
Yes Bill is right. We can't go around letting mothers give birth to 1 1/2lb babies, they are too likely to go out and sell them.
In my opinion, this is Bill's finest clip. I wish I could see the rest of it.
Does anyone ever watch this idiot billo? Why?
False outrage for ratings.
Can he be any more superficial.
re:False outrage for ratings.
Can he be any more superficial.
Ladies and gentleman, we have a winner!
Three rooms doesn't sound enough.
But what's billo advocating, family planning?
While, yes, he should not have used the one child's birthweight as a reason to say that she's a bad mother (because plenty of great parents have premature births), he's right here.
This woman is single, is unemployed, already had six children at home to worry about how she would have taken care of, was refused by other doctors to have these embryos implanted in her, etc. She's already signing up with a publicist and her idea of being responsible for her children is to try to get on Oprah to ask for money from her (when it's not her responsibility to take care of this woman's children).
There is something seriously wrong with this woman. To her, having the children is more important than actually taking care of the children she already has. These new babies are NOT in good hands.
Abusers rejoice!
This woman is batshit crazy.
But yes, Bill O is backing himself into a pro-abortion position.
I thought he sounded more... socialist to me. :)
He took a reasonable position and went overboard with it. I don't think he ever stops to reflect on the ramifications of what he says, just says the first thing that pops into his head and never looks back.
You think his words may come back in the future to show him as hypocritical? Hmmm, I just don't see it. Call me naive, I just don't see it.
The central question that should be asked is how will this woman support and raise 14 children? News reports stated that she was a psychiatric technician [whatever that is] but she was somehow injured on the job in 2006 and was unable to work. One would think that if parents [or in this case a single parent] cannot raise children in an economically viable way then the state should intervene by placing those children in foster care. One also has to wonder how this woman thought she was going to raise all those children. It is extremely doubtful if her former job paid in excess of six figures. Her father is a contractor and translator who was working in Iraq and making about $100,000. Is this woman thinking that her father was going to support her children for the rest of his life?
This appears to be an incredibly stupid and irresponsible thing to do by a woman who seems to be, if not technically, but by outwards appearances, deranged.
No government intervention means no government intervention, whether it's Terry Schiavo or this nutcase.
Billo can't seem to understand that his positions are so inconsistent, but nobody calls him on it.
Then again, the Right have been very consistently pro-government intervention when it comes to sex, so this fits into line. The party of states' rights has been gone a very long time.
It might be interesting to make a parallel with the 2nd amendment: it's okay for the government to take your children if you're crazy, but not your guns?
and 5 more steps that I have raised. I have to say that this is not something I would ever consider doing, or advising anyone to do.
However, my objections have a lot more to do with finances than with whether or not the mother can provide the love and support, emotionally that these kids need. Financially, this one is irresponsible even in the best of economic times. Not just for her self and children, but for society as a whole.
This having been said, any time that O'Reilly opens his mouth about anything having to do with women..any woman that he's arguing with should just say the magic words....
Mackris....Falafel
not a clown car.
LOL
:D
Bill just doesn't know how to express himself without sounding stupid because I don't know what the babies birth weight have to do with her being a bad mother. But this woman wants attention and fame by any means necessary. No one was paying attention when she had six young children but have eight more, now people are paying attention.
Old-timer O'Reilly should realize that back in the "Good-ol-days" it was common to have 10 or more kids in a 3-bedroom home.
Any modern person could raise an issue about having 14 kids without actually knowing how to provide for them all, but Bill'Os not the person for the job.
Wonder when Bill will get a family who's belief is that God told them to have as many kids as possible to secure the continuity of the white race, onto his show?
When I was growing up in suburban Detroit, in the 50's, we could tell who the Catholic families were because they always had 6+ kids but you never see that any more! I wonder why! Hmmm, I get it; all these "devout" Catholics are using either birth control pills or vasectomies!Wow, talk about your hypocrites!
Or is that just Billo's assumption?
If she can afford to support the kids, no problem.
If she can't afford to support the kids, either she will receive welfare funds to raise them, or somebody else will receive welfare funds to raise them. Therefore, in such a circumstance, welfare is irrelevant.
So the bottom line is: regardless of her financial ability to pay, is this mother better suited than some other relative (or stranger) to raise these children? And what evidence does anybody have (other than ability to pay) to support their opinion?
The mom should come out and say that the reason she had more babies was to fight Radical Islamic Jihadism in the future.
I believe this woman is a nutcase. First of all she could have told the doctor she didn't want all embryos implanted (I personally believe that given her situation she should have had none implanted). Second it is totally irresponsible to have children that you can not possibly care for yourself and that includes financial support. Who has been supporting the 6 she already had at home? She has no job and no husband to help support these children. Now, don't misread this, I am NOT saying you need a husband to have a child. I had one that was no more then another child and I ended up doing it all myself but I worked and supported my children. It isn't like she got pregnant accidentally, she purposely made a choice that she knew could result in a multiple birth.
Although in most cases I find Bill O'Reilly to be a complete idiot, in this instance he does make a few good points. Just think who is paying this humongous hospital bill? I am just tired of paying for it when other people are so stinking irresponsible!
Each child receives 1/14th of attention needed for normal emotional and social development just for openers.
She can never sleep. She cannot be sick for a single day.
She can either do nothing but feed them, diaper change, wash clothes, shop, or prepare meals. Each requires one fulltime person.
Childhood illnesses: Imagine a simple cold spreading among these babies. Or the inevitable trips to the Emergency Room.
These babies will take up 1/3rd of a classroom until they graduate h.s..
She will attract every imagineable crazy to her doorstep. As in post-tsunami '04.
Two choices: Foster out at least 9 of her children or go mad.
Conclusion, there has to be intervention by the state.
Who are you to say there needs to be state intervention for these kids? Who is going to take all of them? Who makes the descision to say these 9 have to go and these 5 can stay? Jesus wept, I thought progressives were on this site. There is no evidence of the woman being a bad mother and you can be a shitty mother of one who spends all her time with her kid, or you can be a great mother of loads of kids. I am pro-choice and though her choice certainly wouldn't have been mine, it was her choice. You and Billo have fuck all to do with it. FWIW, I think it's nuts to have more than 2 kids, but I won't stop people from doing it.I can't believe what I fucking read, the state has to intervene.
...you're frothing.
Seriously, as my husband would say, spin on it. You think you sound perfectly reasonable by advocating that children are forcibly removed from their parent and you accuse me of sounding crazy? Go to hell. Do you have any idea what it is like for kids in foster care? Do you think they'd have a better life than with their mother and grandmother?
You obviously have no idea what it is like to be a parent. You don't need one parent per child to parent. Not all kids require a trip to the emergency room. Not all kids get sick. She can shop online, as I do, and she will work herself into a routine. I know a family where there were 13 kids, and they all turned out fine. I know a family of where there are 3 kids and each one is fucked up. You don't have a clue what the fuck you are talking about. This was her choice, and no one here has to approve of it.
My subdivision wouldn't allow me to have 14 puppies in my four bedroom house. And no matter where I moved, the state would be allowed to dictate how those puppies would be cared for. So Mommy Dearest better get ready for a permanent visitor from CPS.
She should foster our 9, leaving her with 4 kids. So you're okay with each getting 1/4th of the attention needed for normal emotional and social development?
an unnatural occurance to have 5 kids. It doesn't matter what I'm ok with morally or otherwise. Did I say either/or? No. My mind isn't literal like yours. So having a conversation with you is not an actual conversation by my standards. Because unlike born-agin` freaks of the natural world I won't force myself on other people. Every point I made has both physical and emotional realities. One+One still equals two.
Don't bother me.
No, there ought to be oversight to make certain the children are having developmental needs met and compassionately getting her rest.
This setup is not viable as it stands.
Oversight is often given to single parents which assists in their needs to clothe feed and medical care. These kids will need it anyway since many of them are only slightly over ONE-pound birth.
She may come around on her own to sponsor some of her babies to competent and caring adults and eventually agree to foster care with or without adoption.
This story is bringing out the dickheadedness in people...conservatives and liberal alike.
Me, I wish nothing but wellness to the family.
If it matters I am a stay at home father of three daughters and if it were all up to me I'd have 11+ kids.
So to all the haters...FUCK YOU!
Thanks , Dad.
is Bill for abortion now. What a jackass. The number of kids that a women has doesn't have anything to do with their parenting skills. That's a complete non sequitur, of course we all know that Billo isn't known for his logical abilities.
...how both sides here are wrong...Bill's an ass, but that mother AND her apologists are all nuts !
Does anybody truly believe that limiting a family to one or two children by use of chemicals, apparatus, abstinence or surgery is the natural state of things? The size of most families is based upon artificial conditions, social norms, and economy. The human body was designed to be able to reproduce many more times than what we actually do. How can you say she's insane for using her body for its intended purpose?
And you know, if this was a married woman from an famously affluent family, nobody would suggest that her children should be taken away from her.
Our intended purpose is to have LITTERS at a time? There was nothing "natural" about her pregnancies they were ALL chemically induced. She was on some pretty nasty hormones for both pregnancies which, if statistics have right will induce cancer in her body not too far down the line. What so unfortunately happened to the Edwards family is actually the norm.
If that were a rational statement, 3rd world mentality is the "norm".
Your hair is on fire.
What should the government set as a limit for # of kids in the house before they start taking them out to be raised in an institution?
My department. Down the hall to the second right, down four flights, out the doors, cross to the end of the pier, jump.
who wants to dictate family sizes and force sterilization.
And you know, if this was a married woman from an famously affluent family, nobody would suggest that her children should be taken away from her.
So true. So true.
She likes having a lot of babies... as long as she can feed, shelter, clothe and make sure their medical, educational, social needs are met - what business is it of Bills (ours, for that matter)?
She chose to be inseminated, she chose to have all 14 of her kids, its her right to choose.
It's thus her responsibility to care for all 14 of them. And until she proves she is otherwise incapable, its none of our damned business.
Exactly. This is nobody's business except the family's at this point. For Bill O'Reilly, or the readers of this website, to weigh in about the issue is laughable. Mind your own beeswax.
We are just discussing this and giving our own opinions, we aren't making laws or decisions or anything. Just chatting about a particular topic. I am sure this topic is being discussed in lots of circles now. No one is trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do....well, maybe BillO is, but the rest of us are just expressing our feelings about the matter.
... to say the least.
before Billo is shouting out the window, "I"m mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore." He certainly seems to have it down in the studio.
I cannot imagine what the final hospital bill will be. I hope she had amazing insurance.
Bill O'Reilly (the typical republican) can't imagine anyone not being happy unless they have lots of money.
They live in a 3-bedroom apartment. Guess what Bill? Some people actually like living in close quarters. At the worst it's not something they like but it's not abuse. Ever lived in barracks, Bill? Of course not. You're for having war, but not for you actually fighting them.
Can't afford anything???
Here's some news for you, Bill... YOU have lots of money and you're one of the most miserable fucks out there. All that money isn't making you happy so we already know it's not the answer.
She has a different one and you don't hear her bitching every night on national tv.
And it's gonna get worse WAAAAAY before it gets better.
If the economy tanks much further, that "mom" is gonna be looking at her kids as meals, especially the smaller ones: tender morsels...
And David, kind of wondering why you threw gender into the mix. His tantrum did not seem any worse than those he has had with male guests on the show.
You don't think this is bullying? What, are you nuts!!? You imbecile!! You have any idea how bullies operate!!? Do you know how stupid that makes you sound??!!!
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See, I think that's bullying, especially when you're the host. And it's bullying when he does it to men too.
Sick.
But there it is.
Everywhere you look, women are encouraged to bear off-spring. Think of those obnoxious VW ads...
Mom's are always right.
Every girl should wanna be a Mom.
Mom is woman's only "natural" vocation.
Sure beats having woman with off-spring bears.
It's not just about how many kids you want, it's about how many kids you can raise as children deserve to be raised. The future of the kids should be more important than a parent's desires.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be "just a mom." Maybe it's just over here, but mothers seem to be getting a hard time. I hear the most awful things about kids and anyone who would want to have them. I agree that motherhood, pregnancy and babies have fetishsized, but there is certainly nothing wrong with wanting to be a mother. A career outside the home is not the end-all, be-all. The hardest decision I've had to make was whether or not to have a second child. My first is nearly 6, and I have had to listen to people go on about what it would do to my career, the state of the planet, blah blah. I'll fully disclose that I am currently pregnant.
What this woman has done is crazy, IMO. However, just because she has a passle of kids doesn't make her a bad mother.
No that doesn't make her a bad mom if she can give each and every child what it needs. That's the question here, is she capable of doing that. Has she allowed her desires to overcome common sense? We'll see.
I think it's worrying when desire overcomes common sense. I have just one (will be 2 in July) and organizing the shopping, trips out, birthday parties and whatnot requires damn near military precision. We run the washing machine 4 times a week for just the three of us. Not to mention the cleaning that takes place. That said, I feel uneasy with some of the comments here and in other places. I don't like Billo's comments because
(a) he doesn't give on whit about the kids and (2) he's ill-informed about birth weights being a sign of bad motherhood.
when you have more than one kid the additions just sort of fall into the routine. What I am saying is that when you have your first child it is a huge change, having a second is less of a change, a third even less, etc.
Not only do you become a pro at parenting but you already have the stuff and the connections you need.
I'm sure the Catholic League will be right there with him on family planning.
issues with the kind of artificial nature of this woman's birthing
practices. Of course I will be attacked by the Catholic League for
the negative nature of that neutral observation.
I don't think that Bill O has brought any children into the world..............Now that is family planning that I support!
He didn't bring them in, but he donated a sperm cell to at least two children.
I agree with O'Reilly on this one. I think this whole multiple pregnancy thing for a single mother who already has 6 children is a horrible idea.
But what strikes me as odd is the reaction from the "pro-life" crowd, who usually think every fertilized egg has a right to develop into a human being. You'd think they would commending her, not criticizing her. This woman seems to have wanted these babies, so does it matter to them how many she already had or how many were born?
I think children should be focably aborted when there are already 2 children to that mother. And I think the state should forcably steralize people once they have 2 children. There ya go...
/eyeroll to you fascist authoritarian haters mongers
Some people want and enjoy large families...who the fuck are you to say, "no" to them? Really! With liberals like you who needs republicans.
/disgusted, severely
Site Monitors, on the comment page of the most recent post, it says the comments are closed. Just thought I would let ya know.
Bill-O really has issues with women, doesn't he.
the issue is this young lady has psychological problems.
Those need to be addressed while at the same time...ensuring that the innocents in this matter (the babies) are cared for and unless their mother is a danger to them, need to remain with her.
Bill be saying if this woman discovered she was going to have octuplets and decided to abort?
"I'm angry..." as if that is saying anything worth hearing. bor, you are angry and filled with hatred most all of the time. Add a dash of irrational prejudice and right wing nutso mentality...and that's WHO YOU ARE! But we honestly don't give a rats ass. The propaganda network gives you a platform to bloviat. That's all. Otherwise, you'd just be another right wing, skin head, red neck from OK.
Just go away. Natural causes works for me. Drop! Hell is waiting.
No, Billdo, you're not angry... you're mad, as in insane. What a worthless, self-centered "Fresh Piece of SHit".
do I really need to quote Jesus.
I can start with "casting stones" and end with at least a few parables, a couple of Commandments and a number of the Beatitudes.
eight "traditional families" to bring multiple snowflake props into the world for use in future Republican press conferences on stem cell research, everything would be just fine.
That would be quite the accomplishment, given that he didn't write anything and neither did any contemporaneous biographer.
who would you quote? Rand, Buddha...O'Reilly?
Snowflake Mom and the Eight Dwarves
(With appropriate apologies to the dwarf community)
when you let crazy people host their own show.
multiple embryos.
Bill is operating off the assumption that there is a correct way to have and raise children, and people who deviate from this correct way are doing harm. This is a preposterous and demonstrably wrong assumption, but a normal one for conservatives to hold. In fact its the assumption that forms the basis for their entire ideology: There is one right way to do something, and we know that right way of doing it and thats that, even if any kind of objective evidence shows us to be wrong then its the evidence that is wrong but never our assumption of rightness. Think about that before you think Bill is right.
Is this lady a whackaloon? Ya, probably. Is life going to be hard for the kids, I'd guess probably yes. But maybe not. And certainly its not like their are families of every conceivable configuration where the kids have hardship and problems and grow up messed up. That being the case, Bill is wrong to judge.
to raise a child is just the way that BillO was raised - look how perfect he is!
Being unfamiliar with the wackaloon (sp?)I googled it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qzxAm1xR63k/SMVt-sR...
are the new opossums.
;)
'til Saturday Night Live explodes this story. Virtually endless possibilities.
"Haters" on this thread says it all.
but fuck you for thinking a fucking lot a fucking bout it.
If memory serves me correctly in this case, the woman in question decided to have these children because the doctor had created a number of embryos in vitro and she didn't want them destroyed. So, apparently we have a situation where a woman made the choice that, ostensibly, someone of Bill O' Reilly's belief system would have made-choosing life-and O'Reilly seemingly arguing for government intervention or family planning.
O'Reilly, therefore, is a hypocritical putz. But then we already knew that.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Hopefully none these children will turn out like the ignorant, hate-filled, intolerable, ignorant, sexual stalking sicko, like O'Lielly and other bedwetting Reslugs.
Should we throw Angelina Jolie into the hoosegow for adopting so many kids
Or put ourselves up for adoption?
With my luck of the draw I'd probably end up with Mia Farrow.
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