Stray bullet hits Lou Dobbs' home, he claims victimhood, and Bill O'Reilly buys it
By David Neiwert Friday Oct 30, 2009 10:00am
Lou Dobbs claimed on his radio show this week that the evil people who have targeted him for removal from his CNN anchor's seat are now taking shots at him and his wife in their home:
"But I want to tell you, when you talk about what they've done - they've created an atmosphere and they've been unrelenting in their propaganda," Dobbs said. "Three weeks ago this morning, a shot was fired at my house where I live. My wife was standing out and that followed weeks and weeks of threatening phone calls."
Dobbs detailed the event, the notification of law enforcement and threatening phone calls he had received after the fact.
"And, as I told the state patrol, and by the way, the New Jersey State Patrol is absolutely terrific - they responded instantly. But this shot was fired with my wife not, I don't know, 15 feet away and we had threatening phone calls that I decided not to report because I get threatening phone calls," Dobbs continued. "I now - it's become a way of life - the anger, the hate, the vitriol, but it's taken a different tone where they've threatened my wife. They've now fired a shot at my house while my wife was standing next to the car. It's become something else."
The CNN host later took a shot at the "national liberal media," which he claims has taken a side on the immigration issue and has created this sort of reckless environment.
Naturally, not only did Newsbusters sucker for this story, but so did Bill O'Reilly on his Fox News show last night, tut-tutting the incident as "a very serious matter."
The only problem: It was almost certainly a stray shot from a hunter's rifle, as Andrea Nill at ThinkProgress reported yesterday, well before O'Reilly's broadcast:
While Dobbs and his anti-immigrant supporters were quick to jump to conclusions about the motive of the shooting, Sgt. Stephen Jones confirmed to ThinkProgress this morning that the New Jersey State Police are stilling “looking at all the possibilities” and that a hunting-related accident has not been ruled out.
Sgt. Jones, a spokesperson for the New Jersey State Police, confirmed that a bullet was found which struck the siding of Dobbs’ house. However, he pointed out that Dobbs’ residence is located in a “very rural” area. “With hunting season starting up,” such incidents are “not at all uncommon,” Jones told us.
"State Police Sgt. Steve Jones said Thursday that his department received a call from Dobbs' wife, who heard a shot and said a bullet hit her house. Jones said she had been outside her house with "an employee who worked with Dobbs" at 10:25 a.m. October 5.
Jones said a bullet struck the section of the house where the attic is but didn't penetrate the dwelling. He said the bullet fell to the ground and was recovered. Dobbs' wife saw damage to the siding, Jones said.
"The bullet was taken by our detectives and turned over to our ballistics unit for further analysis," Jones said. "At this point, all I can say is that it appears to be a long gun, not a handgun or shotgun."
..... Police aren't saying for now that the shot was fired at the house but only, as Jones said, that it struck the house. A stray shot from a long gun would not be a "totally uncommon occurrence because of the hunters and target shooters" in the region, Jones said.
Jones couldn't give his opinion on what kind of shooting this might be, and he said the incident is being investigated "further past a stray hunter's bullet" because of Dobbs' "public persona." Police have conducted interviews and patrolled the area, Jones said."
A shot fired deliberately to terrorize the Dobbses would have been fired from a distance close enough to penetrate the house siding. The fact that it fell off the siding tells you this shot was fired from very, very far away.
We take violence seriously, and any actual incident of anyone taking a shot at Dobbs, his wife, or even his home would be a terrible thing.
But crying wolf -- and especially trying to blame his critics for such an incident -- that's a whole 'nother ball game. One that invites nothing but contempt.
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It's nice to know that a hunter, presumably pro-gun, an NRA member and of course, safe because you know... NRA hunters are safe, are launching bullets into people's homes.
Knowing Lou he probably did it himself just for the attention.
I hope Lou doesn't protest too much since he is pro gun rights.
Too bad the bullet doesn't have the shooter's name on it. It really should. We have the technology. That would help keep they stray bullets in Lou's house to a minimum. Seriously.
I thought that guns were for self protection.
GUESS NOT.
"But crying wolf -- and especially trying to blame his critics for such an incident -- that's a whole 'nother ball game. One that invites nothing but contempt."
Substitute "illegal immigrants" for "his critics" and you have Dobbs whole show for the most part.
..that invites nothing but contempt.
It's always about Lou Dobbs with Lou Dobbs.
I'm sure the bullet was signed by the President himself, this is the onlymeans he could think of to get Dobbs worried about his safety so he will move over to Faux where Billo and his ilk can put him under 24 hr. guard...
All other things aside for a moment, I sure as hell would hate to live where I might have to dodge hunter's bullets while in or outside my home. That sounds like hell to me.
Now, as to Lou's story. One, why did he wait three weeks to talk about it and why is he milking it so? Are his ratings anemic these days and they needed a little pick me up.
I recall a case in upstate new york, some twit using an assault rifle like an AK-47 to hunt deer with, so being far more powerful than a "deer rifle", it did penetrate a house and injure someone inside. Stoopid is as stoopid duz....
an AK-47 and other assault rifle cartridges are LESS powerful then most modern hunting rifles. The AK-47 round shoots a 125 gr. bullet at about 2300fps; the American 5.56mm military cartridge shoots a 75gr bullet at about 2800fps. A 243 Winchester, which is about the smallest of modern deer rifles, shoots a 100gr bullet at over 3000fps.
7.62x39 (basically a .30 calibur) is ballistically equivalent to a .30-30 Winchester round. If it is a hunting round, would be a softpoint bullet and, unless it flew through a window, unlikely 'penetrated a house'. The .30-30 and the 7.62x39 are not very flat shooting and not good past 150 yrds or so.
Not exactly -- the 7.62x39mm Russian is a *MUCH* less powerful round than the 7.62x51mm NATO, which is essentially the old .30 Winchester with a military designation.
My point was 7.62mm is roughly .30 caliber. I never said anything about NATO rounds in my post.
7.62x39 Russian MOST CERTAINLTY IS ballistically equivalent to .30-30 Winchester.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x39mm : "Since approximately 1990, the 7.62x39mm cartridge has seen some use in hunting arms in the US for hunting game up to the size of whitetail deer, as it is approximately as powerful as the .30-30 Winchester round, and has a similar ballistic profile.[6]"
And btw, .30-30 Winchester is NOT equivalent to .308 Win (7.62x51 NATO). Both have similar diameter bullet and case length, but have different bullet lengths/weights, different case configurations, much different pressures generated, and are not interchangable. Trying to fire 7.62x51 in a rifle designed for .30-30 Winchester will end up severely injuring, if not killing the moron attempting to shoot it. .30-30 Win is NOT .308 Win!
Are you reading ALL of what the other commenters are saying???
The 30-30 is NOT a modern hunting cartridge being over 110 years old. I considered comparing the 7.62x39 to the 30-30 but since it's not as popular today as it was 40 years ago I didn't. The 7.62x39 actually isn't a bad deer cartridge as long as you're shooting under 100 yards as you point out. And as a matter of fact is the cartridge I used to shoot a deer quite some years ago when I had the time to hunt. I'm more into the 41 Swiss and similar cartridges these day for hunting though. Still limited to short range but the heavy slow lead has great knock-down power. But I'm a distinct minority in that.
For Dobbs to immediately jump to this conclusion is the height of irresponsibility and further proof that he is a right wing ideologue that seizes on any opportunity to blame the "Liberal Media" of which (apparently)his own network is a conspicuous member.
to "dawn" on Lou as a possibility is not the "height" of anything, rather it's further proof of the "density" of a known commodity.
Well put.
It's hard to use the word "height" when we're talking about someone who wallows in the gutter and crawls on his own belly.
Knee-jerk reactionary.
People hunt - people shoot - people miss.
One does wonder if the miss was an accident or an error. . . (sorry that was mean)
...disciples aiming at your wife.
check the citizenship of Dobb's wife and accompanying employee, or is this another example of liberal leaning police in a Democrat controlled "sanctuary" state?
the bigger the coward. Conservatives are such chickenshit snivelers.
was against the ropes possibly for a final count and now he comes roaring back with drama. maybe now you'll understand "blowback"........lou do.
The man lives in a house that sits in an area where people hunt, and now he wants people to believe that the illegals are trying to take him out.
Are the right wingers who are millionaires think that everybody is dumber than they are?
But let's not forget that most hunters are Liberals.
You know-like ted Nugent.
Evidence DOES make a difference you know.
ie) Sparkman wasn't killed accidentally and a bullet that doesn't even penetrate the siding is absolutely a stray bullet from a very great distance.
...to Dobbs house where no one was harmed. You're simply a professional shit stirrer Dennis...and you suck at it.
You call the Sparkman case a hate crime and the Dobbs case and apparent random shot, yet you have no evidence from either case to support either assertion.
The only thing you do have is that you hate Glenn Beck and Michelle Bachmann, so therefore the Sparkman case is a hate crime, and you hate Dobbs, so therefore the bullet that came close to his wife must therefore be stray.
From a looong ways away...
the State Police announcements in those cases doesn't mean anything to good old troll dennis.
So how tall is Dobbs wife that a bullet that hits the top of the house close to her anyway?
Dennis IF you were able to read English you'd be aware that the NJ state police made clear that the Dobbs bullet was almost certainly a stray giving it's location and velocity at impact. And you'd be aware that Federal law enforcements description of the Sparkman murder fit the profile of hate crimes. PLEASE take a basic English comprehension course!!
I would hate to see Dobby become the victim of a misguided critic of his show. I suggest that he protect himself by donning a camo suit-- maybe one that looks like a whitetail deer.
But then again, in the same spirit, how about an animal themed costume party with another opinion show host as a guest?
http://www.namingyourself.com/images/ralphie.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0dDre8-Nh4
Oh, I get it. The "atmosphere" created by Lewd Obbs' critics, created by their "propaganda," is responsible for this.
When the violence is directed towards the wingnuts (although I buy the stray bullet theory), the concept of words being the cause is suddenly very easy to swallow. Right, Mr. "Tiller the baby killer" O'Liely.
All I can say is LOL. Otherwise I may violate the rules.
To avoid penetrating wood, without even getting stuck, it is pretty much required to have been either a small calibre, say a .22 from a couple hundred yards or more, or a lot more, possibly up to two miles for an actual hunting rifle.
Sounds far more like an irresponsible hunter than an actual aim for his house.
And yes, I do hunt, and yes, I own rifles, and sometimes train people to use them.
Dobbs is a p*ssy b*tch who couldn't figure out the business end of any firearm, despite all his bluster.
What catches me is the wife hearing a shot. If there's hunting in the area, they probably hear shots often...why does this one register? As you say Norse, we're talking two miles and that's not much of a report.
This just isn't adding up. If they figure out 30.06 or 30-30 or whatever, they can roughly figure the position of the shooter (in miles) and the story can be resolved. Unless the dumbass doesn't want it resolved.
Here it is:
http://gawker.com/5033212/lou-dobbs-country-e...
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Is not legal.
Only shotgun hunting is legal in N.J.
It doesn't mean that someone wasn't hunting illegally with a rifle but...
N.J. is so densely populated that...only "buckshot" is allowed.
I checked the law 5 yrs ago, it may have changed but I doubt it.
someone just plinking with a 22.
Enjoy the full page ad from one of the weapons outfitters in the very middle of this selection from the official State of NJ hunting regulations publication.
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/pdf/2009/dighn...
Now THAT'S funny!
I almost miss the fine print at the bottom:
"YOU MUST POSSESS A VALID NJ FIREARMS PURCHASER IDENTIFICATION CARD TO PURCHASE FIREARMS AND/OR PISTOL AMMO!"
Obviously the liberals have taken over in NJ, and just look at what happened!
You can buy rifles in N.J....you just can't hunt with em'
Copy/paste ...."Rimfire and centerfire rifles are not legal to
hunt deer."
pg 24 N.J. hunting regulations.
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/pdf/2009/dighn...
It's interesting that when they imagine violence towards right wingnuts they have no problem drawing a connection between rhetoric and action while when the target is not a winger, they pooh-pooh any possible connections. The inconsistency is even worse when you consider the intensity of the what is being said by the right vs. the left (e.g., Faux footage of the Nuremberg rally, talk of federal concentration camps, etc.). Faux News and the top right-wing propogandists claim to be making rational arguments but are not.
The cops are chuckling at Dobbs now saying gun complaints rise during hunting season and where Dobbs lives it's an open area where people do hunt. The bullet also hit towards the apex of the houses roof to far to be aimed at a person. Dobbs sent an email saying it wasn't hunting season but the fish and wildlife commission says that at the time of the complaint it was/is hunting season. Dobbs also never filed any complaints about threatening emails.
Basically, Dobbs is lying to become a victim of the mean old hispanics.
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Most likely it was someone in need of a Darth Cheney gun safety class.
Always the victim even if only in their imagination.
Since they don't understand simple science - everything is very VERY scary!
Hey - it is almost Halloween so BOO!
Those damn liberal gun nuts are at it again!
I imagine they're rounding up the usual suspects -- the question is, is George Soros responsible for this... or ACORN?
Kidding aside, we see now how quickly these hypertribalist brainwashers engage in fearmongering, rumor-mongering and hate speech. "BLAME OUR ENEMIES! THEY ARE ALWAYS TO BLAME!!!" Pathetic and destructive.
Why did the Hutu and the Tutsis fight? Part of the explanation is in decades of tribal emnity and demonization. And when you have a tribe that worships a man whose 11th Commandment was essentially "Put tribe before country", there's no telling how far these nitwits will go in starting a Second Civil War.
The only upside in there being a 2nd Civil War would be that, in a time of war, it's legal to shoot hillbillies and rednecks daid!
"cut the tall trees"?
The Clinton administration response to the genocide in Rwanda was such a sore disappointment to me. And yet Clinton had no problem putting US troops in Kosevo - hell, we are still in Kosevo.
It does appear that the RW are, indeed, trying to foment civil war in this country. Considering the false issues they espouse, their rants are clearly racist. Lou Dobbs is one of their cheerleaders. Doesn't "incitement to commit" carry the same criminal penalties as "collusion" or "conspiracy"? Where is the USA Patriot Act and the DHS when you need them?
Maybe Lou just got way desperate for attention and threw the bullet at his house as hard as he could.
He probably had a servant run to Home Despot to get a drill bit of the right caliber to punch a hole in the shingle to make things match...
..that we learn it was a bullet from a hunter's rifle. Okay, hunter, NRA, gun safety, hmm, I wonder how long it will take for lou dobbs to go after hunters the same way he just now after three weeks went after the.."..national liberal media."?
Dobbs would have to get all the illegals (note he means Mexicans) out of the country first.
Every year the woods are full of no nothing cretins who fancy themselves "hunters".Anyone who has read Steinbeck's "Travels With Charlie" will recall his chat with a New England farmer who at the end of his patience,painted the word "COW" on the sides of *cough* all his "cows" to keep these idiots from shooting them.
and since the angle of incidence is nearly equal to the angle of reflection,.... that would mean the shot came in at a high angle, regardless of whether it was a lateral or vertical ricochet, which means no one was shooting at Mrs. Dobbs.
By the time Beck gets hold of this story, Van Jones or Obama will have been the hunter/shooter. Ms Dunne will have bought the bullets and one of the dark fellows got the gun. He will find ACORN etched on the bullet casing.
thinkin chinese AK47 ...
How do they know they can't trace the barrel scracthes to bil o'really's gun?
Oooh....thassaright...the best he's got is a pea-shooter.
Loofa-shooter?
Falafel-shooter maybe?
:)
if any pom poms turn up at the scene, Tyler will accuse Obama of having me and you doing the shooting.
Obama lifts ban on persons with HIV/AIDS from entering country
This is a good thing.
2000 page PDF of his pronouncment sent to me by one of my Eurpoean friends I reserve the right to change my projection.
to stalk and ambush Sra. Dobbs. He's too busy with "staff meetings" to loofah round with such trifles.
BillO is just jealous because he didn't think of this little stunt first.
notification of law enforcement would make his residence a matter of public record.
So, the story goes that a rifle bullet large enough to find in the Dobbs' yard struck their house (attic) and fell to the ground. This is the sign of a far distant hunter who missed the deer he was aiming at, not as a real threat to the life and limb of a victim-hood obsessed xenophobic publicity hound Reich-winger.
Any NJ hunter that is hunting with a rifle (illegal) is also not hunting with a game license, hence a poacher. Considering the trying times in which we currently find ourselves, I predict that many more such instances of people trying to put food on their tables will only get worse.
OTOH, any self-respecting nut-job assassin that was really going after the Dobbs's would either use a large enough caliber rifle from a reasonable distance to get the job done in one shot, or up close and personal with a handgun, like a Mob hit.
Move back folks, away from the yellow crime tape - nothing to see here. Political theater.
Rumor has it someone was a really poor shot at:
http://majesticworldlodge.com/ (shooting distance from the Dobbs estate)
Where you hunt a private herd with any weapon and no license . . .
Add a little liquor and you will always get a Cheney type situation.
At that place, you can only shoot one bridesmaid per visit.
Seats only half filled with slightly intoxicated, but robustly jeering patrons.
Your analysis is otherwise correct unless Sra. Dobbs looks like Lou
and the would be assassin is to blind to notice or aim.
The deer the hunter was aiming at must have been real tall. Did they draw a chalk outline of a bullet on the grass where the bullet fell to earth?
No, of the deer.
the aluminum siding.
Remember those poor teachers, having to bring their own supplies...
The bullet died when it hit the siding. It fell lifeless to the ground without ever knowing the joy of blowing something all to shit.
cementitious siding
Is it too early for Santa to be flying around with his deer?
Exactly! That really tall deer or flying deer story just doesn't cut it.
What's your next excuse Mister hunter guy?
hunter at bottom of incline.
deer at top of incline.
hunter shoots up, towards deer, misses.
bullet continues trajectory towards roof of nutjobs house.
A properly trained hunter is always aware of his surroundings, as well as down-range hazards. Rolling hills might put a hunter at a lower elevation than his prey. The silhouette of a whitetail buck nearer the top of a ridge-line might be an enticing shot, except if he misses. While a hunting rifle might have an effective range of 250 to 300 yards, a missed shot might well carry the bullet for 1-1/2 miles or more.
The rifle bullet that allegedly struck the Dobbs' residence did not penetrate the side of the house, but bounced off and fell into their yard. This readily reinforces the claim that it was a stray shot fired from a considerable distance. Since there was no kinetic energy left in the bullet, it was near the extreme range of its trajectory when it struck the dwelling. Simple physics.
"Considering the trying times in which we currently find ourselves, I predict that many more such instances of people trying to put food on their tables will only get worse."
"Trying times" that have come about as a direct consequence of the very market based ideology that Dobbs and his pals embrace so fanatically.Ironic aint it?
*muted trumpet laughing sound* whah whah whah whaaaaaaaaaah.
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." George W. Bush--Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000
I heard it tastes like CHICKEN...
Almost every exotic meat has been claimed to taste like chicken. Ever try rattlesnake meat? From tales that I have read about, like Donner's Pass, people taste much more like pork - hence the moniker "Long Pork".
...
Although before and after is good too. Beef and Chicken
are also appropriate.
http://archive.liveauctioneers.com/archive4/b...
before is spit into the spitoon...
check your teeth after you spit into the spitoon ...
All depending upon where you generally keep them at night - in your mouth or in a bed-side glass.
8^)
San Antonio off I-35, no?
but you have its location right. They still brew something called Pearl at the Miller plant in Ft. Worth.
"Long Pork. The other other white meat."
Okay Lou, it didn't happen, but what if it did?
I'm channeling Glenn Beck
my good lady friend.
I gotcha. Thing is, like Beck's BS, this is never going to happen either. I would imagine Lou has security to keep unsavory characters away from his house. Even this hunter wasn't close enough to be dangerous with his ammo.
Really! This bullet would have bounced off of Louuuuuuu's belly with such velocity it could have done serious harm to his Chihuahua.
I know lots of guys name theirs. But did Lou name his that
before or after he married Sra. Dobbs?
Now that was funny!!
Perfecto! :D
It's just one of his wife's brothers having an epiphany
Either Angel or Jesus.
First, if somebody is trying to shoot Louuuuuuu that is a bummer. From what I read it was probably a stray bullet.
Second,Louuuuuu is an asshole for not mentioning that the stray bullet theory is a possibility. Not even a probability but a possibility.
Do you know I was standing on the corner the other day and all these cars were trying to run me over and were just missing me by that much. All because I hate Louuuuuuuu Dobbs.
The hunter's bullet came from behind the grassy knoll.
The deer with the smoking rifle was just an innocent patsy.
Who told you that? E. Howard Hunt?
According to olfactory sources of Jake Tapper, it was the deer smoking the rifle to blame, not the one holding it.
Lou might want to ease up on wearing teh white scarf, buckskin jacket combo on his compound during hunting season ...
Why Does Lou Dobbs hate red blooded American hunters?
Almost four score comments and nobody has conjectured a militia man and a minuteman in a Meadowlands mixup?
"I didn't know he was loaded, Trooper."
"Well son, you will have to toe tag that teabagger. Maybe Ms. Palin's sister has an extry permit."
Some dreams do come true. Levi Johnson will be having his Johnson photographed sans his Levis the same day that Sarah will be on Oprah's show.
Poetic justice?
poetry.
They sound like poetry after you have smoked the evil weed. I haven't done that in a long time, but back when we did we would read them and almost laugh ourselves to death. I still have two big books of limericks.
I'll state the obvious. ANY caliber of rifle fired intentionally toward a given target, meaning that the target was within eyesight and target-able, would have penetrated the siding of that house. The fact that the projectile bounced off the house and onto the ground is slam-dunk evidence of an unintentional hit.
Dobbs is idiot and a hypocrite for using this situation to decry the dangerous 'atmosphere' that suddenly has him so concerned, considering the tone of his rhetoric.
...I can't help but recall how the great world heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali paraphrased the bible: "The truth is beautiful! The truth is sweet! As a man sows, so shall he reap!"
Burma Shave, Lou....
the cartel may be after Lou.
If La Familia or any other gang was after Lou Dobbs, we would have already seen his obituary in the paper.
If he continues to engage in this political theater, though, he might just get what's coming to him, but from a far less likely source - like Lou's Hispanic wife. What's worth more, a fading media whore's income, or his life insurance policy?
I think that Dobbs' wife finally had enough of his racist rants, positioned herself outside and took a shot at him.
n/t
Not that that is news to anyone. My parents live in rural PA and have had stray bullets hit their home on multiple occasions. My folks called the police the first time it happened but apparently you only have to be something like 100 yards away from a home to hunt. My mother has taken to scaring the deer away just to keep the hunters from shooting up the place.
Sorry Lou,
You haven't made the short list yet. This wasn't anything to worry about.
Anyway, no point in wasting a bullet when you (and most of your audience) already have one foot in the grave.
If unable to dance I will crawl cross it...
Most liberals, progressives and Democrats abhor the use of guns and probably don't even own one.
It's always bitch, whine, and squeal with this Dobbs guy. What a sad sack, wet blanket, stuffed suit, blow hard, bigot, birther.
Now, that's CNN snooze...The kid,( not in the balloon), fired at Lou Dobbs house and Dobbs waited a little bit to get to the news station to declare his victimhood. Boy them "hoax's" just keep mounting, don't they. You can figure Dobbs for this. He just looks sneaky....Remember: There was no kid in the balloon. And, there were no shots fired at Dobbs.
It was obvious to a moron that the balloon was too small to carry away a boy, but this fact wasn't ever picked up in "the situation room". I couldn't believe the stupidity... national television hosts...
This Clown and his Idiotic supporters go from one extreme to the other. oh yeah! its called fact checking you brain dead white trailer trash idiot. Ah what can one expect form a Anti American Nit Wit Pundit.
Has anyone mentioned gun control yet?
It bounced -- bounced? -- off the house? That'd mean it either came from a hell of a long way off, or Lou's house is sheathed in bulletproof plastic or something like it. Either one makes sense to me. Paranoia strikes deep.
Drive by's in very rural areas are so common.
dobbs is a liar and an asshat.
Invite Dick Cheney over. no problem.
So they've created an atmosphere eh O'Reilly? Kind of like the one that you created that lead to the murder of Dr. Tiller? Oh, but I forgot, you're demonization of the man had nothing to do with his murder. I'm sure that's totally different from this case.
These morons are so unhinged and desperate to make up anything, that if somebody did an unsignalled lane change a hundred yards ahead on a 30mph city street, they'd claim it was a "librul trying to run me off the road!"
I actually thought when I first heard this that it was along the lines of an actual drive-by and that someone had done something desperate and stupid. Instead, the accidental nature of the shooting furthers my theory that those who shoot at progressives are politically motivated and those who shoot at the reichwing aren't.
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