SEIU 'victim' Kenneth Gladney wants his case prosecuted as a 'hate crime'
By David Neiwert Monday Aug 10, 2009 3:00pm
Kenneth Gladney is doing his best to cash in on his 15 seconds of fame, following his fake "brutal assault" at the hands of SEIU supporters outside a St. Louis "town hall" on health care. Today he went on Fox and Friends with his attorney, Dave Brown, who announced that he wanted local prosecutors to pursue the case as a "hate crime."
Mr. Brown appears to be confused about just what constitutes a "hate crime". Namely, it take more than merely the matter of Gladney being a black man to qualify as such a crime; indeed, the main qualification has to be that a bias motivation has to be present. That is, prosecutors would have to establish that the people being charged were motivated by the victim's race.
Gladney claims that he was called the N-word -- but the man using that word was another black man. Proving a motivation of bias against blacks will be pretty difficult under those circumstances.
Moreover, if you go back and look at the tape, a couple of other things are worth noting:
-- It's the black man with whom Gladney apparently first had a verbal altercation who we see lying on his back on the street when the tape opens. If anyone can claim to be assaulted here, it's this man.
-- It's not clear that any actual assault occurred here at all. Gladney is pushed to the ground by someone trying to clear space for his friend. Certainly, given that Gladney appears to be just fine for most of the rest of the video, there's no evidence that he suffered any harm whatsoever in the incident.
And in order to file a hate-crime charge, any prosecutor will have to prove first that a crime was committed -- well before he can even look into the question of whether it was committed with a bias motivation. Considering that both appear extremely unlikely, Brown and Gladney are clearly both just grandstanding.
Besides ... aren't conservatives opposed to hate-crimes laws as a matter of principle?
formerly known as the POTUS, "bring it on!"
Kenneth Gladney should be charged with a Hate Crime...
You guys are being way too cynical. It's perfectly possible to appear perfectly healthy in the first few minutes after a fall, then end up in a wheelchair when a lawyer explains how much money you can make by suing the people who put you in a wheelchair.
As I said before the lawyer is incompetent. The joker should have been on a gurney instead of a wheelchair. Maybe they can get Orley Taitz to sue the lawyer for malpractice.
I bet Orly Taitz has documents that prove that Gladney's lawyer is only licensed to practice in Kenya.
Who's paying these troublemakers? Am I the only one to whom this has occurred?
As for knowing anything about a pending health insurance statute, this howling mob knows less about it than I know about quantum physics. I doubt it's anything they'd get worked up about just on their own. I believe somebody's giving them something to motivate their actions.
I suppose more than the armed service is employing the talents of not-too-bright troublemakers.
they only pay the ones that organize the protesters. They don't want to pay the unwashed they might let it slip.
..."the SEIU thugs" who beat him up on videotape.
One of the "assailants" (the white guy) ...gave his reason for attacking as... "he was hurting America" (unquote)
The man got beat up because he was passing out "dont tread on me" buttons and flags...
...sounds like a hate crime to me.
Watch the video moron.
Nobody "got beat up".
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Dude let the real authorities figure out what happened to this Uncle tom opportunist plant.
...by not stooping to his level...
...and yes, the authorities will listen to the audiotape. and come to a decision.
That's like taking a nap in the motel with a twenty dollar whore while leaving your wallet and jewelry on the nightstand.
No suprise coming from somebody that would take sides with SEIU scum.
Hey asshole, unless you've obtained some devined facts on this matter maybe you might want hold off with your bullshit accessment.
You have yet to post a link to your "audio tape" (two words) so that people can judge for themselves.
I saw your post before it was canned and it had no link!
is what they will call you Milquetoast if you don't "just quietly go away". In other words shut up and fall in line comrade. Or else!
"Win an election." Democrats campaigned on healthcare reform and gained seats in both the House and the Senate- widened the majority. Won the Presidency. State your concerns at town hall meetings without drowning out people who are there to state theirs.
Being louder doesn't give you more votes.
...due to aneurysms, then, yes, yes I do see it as a big win.
Funny thing, that trailblazing by the left(which was pretty much wholly railed against by the Democratic Party)...it put Nixon into office in '68. Now that the right is using those tactics, I see epic fail for the right at the polls next year. EPIC. FAIL.
So keep screaming.
...it's awfully funny seeing you Republicans siding with troofers.
Heh.
If anyone raised a hand to this guy he is in the right. Just like when we stood up against torture, because it turns the "perp" into the victim, the minute the Union guy raised his hand, the "perp" was turned into a victim.
Ghandi and MLK KNEW that for their causes to be successful and above reproach they needed to be /NONVIOLENT.
I hope that dumbass Union guy gets prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Then he and all you non thinkers will learn the most valuable lesson there is. Keep your fucking hands to yourself, your teeth clenched and your minds sharp.
They co-sponsored that town hall meeting. Do you know what the topic of the meeting was?
co sponsor co conspirators what ever you like to call it.
That you do not know that Democrats were the party of the white man, It's a shame that Democrats are the party that stopped the civil rights act in 1959, then in the sixties decided they could use the minorities as a tool to gain power and then started to manipulate the poor and hold them in certain parts of the city instead of getting them in neighborhoods were people could help them get on there feet instead of holding them down leaving them to better themselves US poverty rate has gone up since the Demacrats started using the poor as a tool, but YOU still continue to support these policies, SO what does that make YOU. That the Demacrat party that put American citizens in Camps in both WW1 and WW2, but you still support this type of action again What does that make YOU.
...crime. Any black man who willfully associates himself with bigots whose true source of anger is because a black man is now President, truly hates himself.
Gladney assaulted himself?? That's an unusual approach but it just might work!
see it and then have an opinion.
It does appear the union guy is on the ground when the tape begins and the "victim" is jumping on him.
I've never assaulted someone while lying on the ground before. That's some serious karate skills he's got. Who say's us liberals are wusses?
you are so full of bull shit ,
" typical union worker laying down on the job "
you have no clue WTF you are writing about , he is not typical , however you are , as in full of shit .
Here are some unions i would like you to go to and shoot your mouth off .
Teamster's ( i joined in 1968 )
Steelworkers ( joined in 1967 )
Iron workers ( joined in 1971 )
to funny , go away or grow up and come back .
Mon, 08/10/2009 - 16:08 — Blue Lensman
Gladney assaulted himself?? That's an unusual approach but it just might work!
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Why?
I practice self-abuse all the time.
and self molestation.
which is it?
Both.
Is victimized by his victim and persecution complex, prerequisites for membership in the Neocon club.
Jim Carrey goes into the men's room and kicks his own ass.
Funny stuff.
(Ysbaddaden....where are you??!)
(Sorry, O.T.)
Sorry Uncle, but the shoe still fits!!
...of horror was able to occur. These townhall "protest" have been up until recently 99% white. Lately because of the criticism the "protesters" have now suddenly included a few token negro plants, one of whom coincidentally is involved in a fight with other black men. Still looking for those WMD in Iraq aren't you?
BTW, I never called you racist...just a complete dumbass.
...is a backwards letter on the dude's face.
...well, that and any credibility.
His liar, I mean lawyer has to be kidding. I wonder if they got a book deal yet?
..."Uncle Tom's reparations".
He doesn't need a mule
When he's already made an ass of himself.
I want this case prosecuted as fraud.
Is this lawyer part of the Orley Taitz lay firm?
or laugh factory!
...angry white folks revolution. Lol. I think Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, and Ron(I see two of everything) Christie should offer to have a beer with this guy.
I wonder what the right wing losers think about this. They must be very torn. Aren't they for tort reform? You know against these frivolous lawsuits? This could get interesting.
He was part of an angry mob and fell down on his boom-boom,
So he's gonna blame a union member of the same race for a hate crime?
Someone should tell Gladney that when you're involved in a scuffle, getting knocked on your ass doesn't automatically qualify you for monetary compensation. It will be impossible to prove that this is a hate crime.
Wait a minute! Gladney can declare himself an Uncle tom, and then claim he got his ass beat by those brothers for that reason. Lol.
I just read the hate crime law and Uncle Tom is not mentioned.Now if he was a gay Uncle Tom we may have something to go on.
He has a friend there.
ROTFLMBBAO
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get some bucks ? , you see i was almost 5 yrs old ( 1952 ) and was in my own yard playing with a doll , when a person of between the ages of 16 - 20 yrs old ( i was a different color than they were ) came into our yard picked me up and slamed me into the walkway , breaking my arm in 17 places , even now and i just did my arm is fucked up .
What did i get out of this , music , learning how to compensate , a love of the arts , reading , sometimes thinking of energy and mass linked by the speed of light , or what is beyond the confines of our own intellect and understanding , for ever asking why , for this i thank my parents and sisters for their love .
This punk is a gold digger nothing more , he reminds me of chenny being wheeled out when BO was sworn in , it was a total punk move by chenny as is this asshole .
the victims of hate crimes.
I thought Republicans didn't believe in hate crimes.
What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites.
he stated many times that he is neither democrat or republican...
he's "independent.
typical of you to only see left or right.
what a myopic world you live in.
...many people already know that democrats or republicans aint gonna save us.
there is a third party now and its growing fast.
but it's a good thing it's not your party.
I can see it now:
Gee, what's this I got in the mail? Ooooo! An invitation to a Party! Joy!
[rip]
I'm so excited I can barely stand it! An invitation! For me!
[rip rip rip]
"Hello typical, myopic asshole,
There is a third party, growin' hella fast, and you, fuckface, are invited..."
What? Boohoo! I iz exposed!
[drops invite and runs off crying to eat donuts and read a comforting far left libby blog]
(just having a little fun with ya, Milky)
;)
...I've been known to "dish it out" myself sometimes...
Gladrey is a member of the Looney Party of Monty Python. I;ll stick with the Sensible Party myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxM5IBLeU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxM5IBLeU4
.... buddy buddy with O'Reilly. He too calls himself 'Independent'.
Just as easy as changing the contents of a can of peas to beans by changing the label. Idiots.
I guess "Independent" translated means "lying mother fucking Republican."
this guy IS as dumb as Sam 'Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher.
the black plumber and his crack is showing.
Exactly!! From the folks that brought you JOE THE PLUMBER, here comes JOE THE VICTIM!
I hate the way he's acting like a victim. Does that count?
You know how the white bigots that watch Faux are going to see it as, don't you?
A black looking for a free ride.
This is going to backfire on them big time.
I wish that was so, but they'll swallow their general distaste for people of color in order to support a black conservative whom they can use to potentially embarrass a black president. Sure they've spent the last 20 years saying that there shouldn't be any such category as "hate crimes" but we all know how flexible their supposed bedrock principles really are.
When no reputable physician will come forward and testify that he actually was seriously injured!!!
Ha!!!
Show me the xrays!! Show me the CT Scan!! Show me the results of the physical exam and why the doctor ordered "mind altering pain medication" for a guy being a little "scuffed up".
I'm calling major B.S. on this one!!!
This guy wasn't even injured enough to be hospitalized!!! The lawyer and his client have NOTHING!!!
ZIP. ZERO. NADA.
I am really not sure where he found this "lawyer"; however it would seem somewhat wise to at least maintain the ruse that you are injured for more than the weekend. Even if there were some truth to the violence, you usually aren't compensated for pain over the weekend, when you make a full recovery by Monday in time to get on TV.
Hopefully, he will make a little more from the book.
!
Losers.
Joe The Victim.
Has anyone found out whose camera was used or who was behind the camera that should tell you alot
where bullshit always finds a home.
This clown is an ambulance chaser. And he has a sucker for a client.
Hate crime, trial lawyer, protestor... The conservatives are embracing all the things they hate.
Maybe we should start militias, stockpile weapons, stalk and threaten anti-abortion facilities and homophobes and act like spoiled three year olds at town hall meetings.
It's raining right wing victims in biblical proportions! Right wing victim Ben Stein was fired from the times not for a blatant breach of conflict of interests but because he......wait for it, wait for it....criticized Obama!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/10/ben-...
What, the New York Times didn't know Stein was a wingnut when the brought him on? Noooo, he's a victim!! Fired for nothing of his own doing! Viiiiictimmmm!!!
Maybe he can get a job with the New York Post?
This guy is lying ... this is not about race ... this whole thing is a scam ... he's a plant ... he was totally fine after the incident ... later he shows up with a lawyer hunched over in a wheel chair ... looked to me like he was acting.
It's really lame when a looser like this guy claims racism when there are real legitimate claims of abuse of blacks ... this is just another ploy by the propaganda right wing ... to use a black guy because it was becoming to well accepted that the protesters at the rallies were all white ...
The right wing propaganda will make up anything to stop real health care reform and they will use anybody in the process.
In this case they are also looking for a sensational story so it plays big and as long as possible. More distraction and lies coming from the broken brains of the mentally collapsed angry party of no right wing.
When a policy of torture is instituted from the very top, cooked up with help of Bushco. lawyers and ramped up by Cheney...
It's just a few bad apples who are to blame - the ones who did the torturing.
When a skuffle breaks out at a 'town hall' meeting thingamabob, where one SEIU guy is already knocked on the ground, and then the guy who shoved the first guy to the ground is himself shoved to the ground...
It's the fault of all of those hateful lefties, and the unions, Obama and probably Bill Clinton too!
And it's a hate crime!
god, what a bunch of idiots the GOP and it's echo chamber are.
:)
I'm awaiting statements from the law firm of Ziegler, Allred, and Taitz.
The current laugh is that Kenneth Gladney, who protests health care reform, is uninsured and unemployed, so now he is seeking public donations for his health care!
Well fark me! Ain't that a bitch?
*sigh*
Thats the buzz over at DU.
Or maybe an ex member of the St. Louis PD.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...
This DU post proves the St. Louis police were working with the teabaggers. and that video on Youtube suggests that the man wearing a while shirt/chinos and holding that white rag could be a LEO, he is aggravating the situation in a very loud voice, and grabs at a SEIU person who is on the ground at one point. He also seems to be keeping his right hand near his back pocket, a knife or small gun tucked maybe.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...
Ken has zero injuries visible, yet it was the SEIU member with the broken shoulder.
The police arrest both a female photographer and a video cameraman, the photographer was maced AFTER she was handcuffed. Her crime was asking a policeman for help, and taking his picture after he refused.
They were both surprised tackled from behind by the police when they were walking away from the scene. Typical police brutality tactics.
This is clear brownshirt territory, teabagger protesters and police working in cooperation.
The sad thing is that the left will loose the plot and not explain away what really happened, we will allow the reichwingers to control the story and make popular heroes of the brownshirts.
...it must be a hate crime.
Obama needs to invite Gladney over to the White House for a root beer -- Gladney is undoubtedly taking huge doses of opiates to try to manage all the pain he must be in from the savage beating he received. All those blows to the face and yet he doesn't seem to have a mark on him (except for the backwards BO carved in his chest?).
the WH for Kool-Aid.
This one has Down's syndrome. Oh and get a better case too! Asshat...
they are opposed to it, except when they support it. Just like torture ("but we did it for a good reason!"), immigration ("throw em all out, except the ones that do my yard work!"), being gay ("if Larry Craig wants to put a stranger's wiener in his mouth it's nobody's business but his!"), abortion ("no abortions!! but it's a totally different situation when I accidentally got my mistress pregnant on that bible retreat"), etc., etc.
for frivolous reports?
This surely qualifies.
With that video tape, this case has no standing.
I may be WAY off base, here, but I think when I was reading about that whack job Klingonshit yesterday, he and others were opposed to hate crimes legislation because as the latest hate crimes legislation is written, there are 547 sexual perversions that would "legitimized" because speaking out against them would be considered to be a hate crime.
I'd really like to know what those 547 sexual perversions are to see whether or not I am guilty of a hate crime.
AFTER I committed 256 with my girlfriend. and I'm not counting 'touching myself' with the soap afterwards.
Preversions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUAK7t3Lf8s
I need to do a self-inventory to see if I measure up.
Get Out! I thought there were only 546.
this is a hate crime. I need to get off this bus.
Um FOX News douchebags?
Shouldn't you be referring to Gladney as the "alleged" victim?
This whole display is about as dumb as it can get.
Gladney's Lawyer is a real grade A arsehole by the way.
He can apparently read the mind's of union members.
I find Fox news just as complicit in this. I mean, they never showed a moment of footage of this clown walking around perfectly fine after he was pushed on his bum.
Also, protesting health care reform while begging for a handout to pay for his medical care... wow. He must be the poster boy for the republican solution.
he may not even be an American. maybe hes really Cuban. ah ha! a Commie, i knew it. hey maybe he is? whos to say? i can assert something and just let it sit there unchallenged. the GOP does that all the time.
Same thing as all the other republicans, INSANITY!
These people are stark raving mad!
republicanism is a mental illness!
... it is one hell of a drug.
Rick James, bitch?
:D
and Frivoulous law suits.
If he has no insurance maybe Limbaugh can send his housekeeper over with a supply of oxycontin.
He has no insurance, but he sure didn't waste any time in getting a lawyer. Is this pro bono work?
They made their propaganda piece. I doubt these charges will move forward.
Lest you want to be compared to Bill Frist diagnosing Terry Schiavo from a video.
What we know:
1. It was night and not well lit.
2. Camcorder is very shaky.
3. Not a complete picture of the beginning, middle and end.
4. No one here has examined the alleged victim or his medical records.
There is no reason to slam this guy based on the information available.
Couple of things to think about.
1) If this guy was hurt so bad that he's in a wheel chair and can not speak and looks to be slumping and almost drooling that his doctor would want him in the hospital overnight or at least taking it easy ... Instead there he is right out front in less than 24 hours with a lawyer crying about race hate and incriminating unions for the violence ... even though he walked around for several minutes at least right after the so called attack.
2) The right wing propaganda machine is operating in overdrive on this heath care issue. After drumming up the most stupid and easily led of their low life believers it was becoming all to obvious that white people were the only ones causing all the problems which made it look like exactly what it is ... a right wing fake protest using real angry white people.
3) Unions are already organized and have huge numbers ... they support a public option for health care ... the right wing corporate can not control them and they are a problem because they are considered to be real Americans when it comes to the backbone of the country. So Unions present a problem for the parasites that feed off the population and will do anything to kill anything that does not funnel all the profits to them.
4) Enter baby faced Gladney ... willing to play the Insurance Companies parlor game for money ... they set the whole thing up ... he shows up and gets into a scuffle with a big Union guy there to support the public option ... he is immediately flanked by lawyers and tow things happen ... One the Unions are made to look like thugs thus crippling their impact on the course of this and two suddenly this isn't just cranky old white people ... it's not about race now because we have a black man who supported the INsurance Companies point of view and look what happened to him ...
Kenneth Gladney is about as real as Joe the plumber or any of the long string of right wing corporate manipulations designed to control events in their favor ... Kenneth Gladney is a fake and the only reason this is about race is because the people trying to shut down any public option have introduced it on purpose in order to give credibility to their one sided fake protesters they say represents the majority of Americans.
And FOX NEWS is right there to promote this story for the righties.
The whole incident is on video, is it not?
Doesn't said video make this schmuck look like he staged the whole thing?
This kids gonna get in a bit of trouble with the authoriteis, I'm thinkin.
So, there IS such a thing as a hate crime, eh?
republicans new strategy consultant?
http://www.3click.tv/mp4//King%20of%20the%20H...
The man committed the most disgusting of crimes.
Being black and against Obama at the same time.