Huh? Right wingers proclaim they will work with Obama if he only governs from the "center right"
I saw this last week and didn't get a chance to make the clip, but Bay Buchanan was on CNN and told us how the right wing will bring bipartisanship to the table as Obama takes office.
BUCHANAN: Well, it all depends on which direction the country -- Obama wants to take the country. If he is really going to govern from the center and recognizes that the nation is center to right, then we're gonna work with him, just as we worked with Bill Clinton to get welfare reform...
Obama won a clear mandate to lead this country the way he sees fit and America wants to get things done. So this statement by Buchanan, and dozens of other conservative talking heads like her in the days since the election, is very dangerous for the Right. If they are perceived as obstructionists during this time of heavy economic crisis then their brand of politics will be damaged all the more.
Personally, I hope they do it. They helped make the case for Obama with their constant personal attacks as well as calling him a "Socialist" and a "Marxist." Keep up the good work, guys and gals. You are making my job so much easier. As for the talking point that America is a center-right country, Media Matters has more.
...a poll conducted November 4-5 showed strong support for the progressive positions that Obama has articulated on the issues, rebutting the claim that the United States is a conservative country.
Several in the media have claimed that President-elect Barack Obama won the election because he ran as a conservative and that notwithstanding Obama's victory, the United States is a conservative country.
In claiming that Obama ran as a conservative, these media figures ignore the central components of his platform, including repeal of tax cuts for the wealthy, near-universal health-care coverage, and redeployment of troops from Iraq to Afghanistan.
Read about all the results here.
The funny thing is, Obama could govern as the second coming of Ronald Reagan and the Right would still find excuses to call him a Marxist.
One righty who was accusing Obama of being a raging socialist 2 weeks ago, now says (after Obama won) that Obama won because he ran as a reaganite fiscal conservative.
They just say whats expedient at that moment.
Reagan was a raging socialist and a fiscal conservative? Damn! These talking head politicos certainly know how to lie grandly through their teeth! Having no conscience will, I suppose, allow them to do it and sleep at night.
Make no motto of love that worships war
...was a conservative and his godawful "Reaganomics" are being negatively felt as we speak.
Make no motto of love that worships war
Reagan's famous "trickle-on economics"
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Ha!
Make no motto of love that worships war
These are the same people who said his Christian pastor of 20 plus (?) years was a problem - at the same time that they were attempting to brand him as a muslim. They're irretrievably stupid.
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"They're irretrievably stupid," which is why Palin thinks she can say ANYTHING regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact.
It can be whatever you want it to be, when you want it to be.
I do think that our entire history of US politics when framed by world political views shows we have right of center - authoritarian elected officials.
I would recommend looking at The Political Compass and visually see the full picture of our small political spectrum framed by world politics.
Baye Buchanan's gave the perfect illustration of what republicans mean by bipartisan. When republicans say bipartisan, it means you give us everything we want. We will give you nothing in return, and then will stab you in back afterwards. Well if the republicans think that's how it's going to work, they are in for a rude awakening. If the republicans use the filibuster to derail every piece of the legislation, the dems need to use the "nuclear option". Ban the filibuster. It's what the republicans wanted to do when they were in charge. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
DNC better crack the whip and get their people out onto the circuit and start disproving these meme that the country is center-right before it becomes one of those facts everyone just accepts.
This should be easy to do since all the recent evidence shows the country is center-left if not just left.
They don't have to convince the talking heads on the right, since they couldn't anyway, just have to argue louder and more forcefully so that when the right does bring this BS up it seems as ridiculous as it really is.
just as we worked with Bill Clinton to get welfare reform...
If one considers shoving a wide and sharp hot poker up the ass and down the throat at every turn "working with someone" then Bay Bay is correct.
Make no motto of love that worships war
If he is really going to govern from the center and recognizes that the nation is center to right, then we're gonna work with him
Translated: If he agrees to everything we say, and pretends the whole country really does agree with our half-baked rantings, we'll deign to sit at the table with him.
Ah, the sad perfume of desperation and butthurt.
WHO THE FUCK INVITED YOU? YOU'VE BEEN SENT HOME, DUMBASSES...DONT YOU GET IT YET??
You know the ones I'm talking about. They'll jump in to play a game and after 5 minutes try to take charge and stop the game unless everyone will play by the new rules they've just made up. Rules that will assure them of a win. We call them "social bullies".
If the dems are as smart as your average 3rd grader they either won't let them play at all or give them one of those 'important' roles in the game that is powerless.
They're all certifiably crazy. They sank this country and now they want to obstruct progress to fix their mess. Just round the crazy fuckers up and throw them into padded cells for the rest of their troublemaking lives. Freedom of speech and whatever but I'm sick of hearing their nutty shit.
To be threatening Obama with only Senate 3-4 seats left, and a disapproval rating lower than that for Bush. You jerks cock-block us on the war and universal health care, and the public will remember it. Two years from now isn't going to be a new Republican "revolution" as much as a Republican overthrow.
Poll after poll I've seen would suggest that there is a distinct 'leftness' to the USA.
UHC, abortion, taxes, etc. All in favor of the left of what would be considered to be lest positions.
Abortion, a CNN poll at the end of August put the numbers at 53% pro-choice. An overwhelming number approve of abortion (with restrictions)
Environment. ABC News. 61% think the government should be more involved in helping do something about global warming.
Gun laws. 54% support stricter gun laws.
Health Care. 66% would support higher taxes if it meant coverage for all.
Gay marriage? Well, there majority don't support the legal opportunity for same sex marriage. 47% oppose. 47% support.
You're in no position to dictate terms, douchebags. Suck it up and help or don't. But really STFU, Bay.
Let the adults fix the enormous damage governing from your 'center right' has done to our country, our world.
me-oww!
to further the repug agenda
Some stuff you can't make up!
Who is writing the Republican playbook? Every one of them is saying the same damn thing: "This is a center-right country..."
They figure if enough people repeat it, it will become "conventional wisdom."
I think by definition, the country as a whole is centrist. The question is whether our policies are to the right or the left of the country. Right now, they are far to the right.
I'm sorry, Bae, when was torture and wiretapping approved by the people?
And big freaking deal if on some issues, the majority doesn't measure up to the mandates of the constitution (read Prop 8). Obama's job isn't to lead where the country would go anyway. He needs to lead us where we need to go. Liberty, equality, opportunity.
into the night?
fat chance!
Some stuff you can't make up!
"...If he is really going to govern from the center and recognizes that the nation is center to right, then we're gonna work with him, just as we worked with Bill Clinton to
get welfare reformgut welfare...me-oww!
remind me again why what Bay thinks is at all important?
I would but, oddly enough, nothing comes to mind...
Make no motto of love that worships war
These guys are setting the groundwork for either a) taking the credit for successes or b) distancing themselves from failures. It doesn't matter what is true. If Obama and the Dems are successful these talking heads will proclaim he's governing from the center right. If Obama and the Dems are not successful, the head will condemn them as governing from the left.
The whole "center-right" is such a non-statement. If you divide the population into three equal parts i.e. a)right b)center c)left then of course 2/3rds are going to be "center-right" just as two thirds are "center-left". Will these guys PLEASE (I'm begging) stop wasting our time and come up with a plan? or at the very least stop obstructing progress. geez...
All that Oxycontin makes it difficult to think straight.
They got to Limbaugh's stash
Democrats have won the popular vote in FOUR OUT OF THE LAST FIVE presidential elections.
When the American people are asked their stances on individual issues, they tend to take the progressive side, even if they identify themselves as conservatives or center-right. (It's like that old Pepsi challenge. People identify as Coke drinkers, and will even buy Coke after saying Pepsi tastes better in a blind taste test.)
In our idiotic two-party system, it's difficult to tell precisely why people vote for one party or the other at a given moment in history, but there is no basis for insisting that America is a "center right" nation.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
NOTHING works with the Right because the RIGHT has nothing but old and very bad ideas.
This country has been left of center for 40 years among the population, it has only been represented as Center Right by the COUNTED votes.
Welcome to the age of Obama!
Their advice is absolutely meaningless. Barack Obama did not need it to become president, and he will not need it to govern. I just wish the media would get these idiots off the air, because they contribute nil to our country. They don't inform the public in the least. Nonsense sells, I suppose.
The only advice the Obama administration should and will heed is that of people who've correctly predicted events like the economic collapse, people like Paul Krugman. I just hope they don't listen to Larry Summers, Robert Rubin and others who fought against regulation of the very "instruments" that precipitated the collapse.
Is that dessicated, strident, hate-filled bag still polluting the citizen-approved airwaves? Hasn't anybody had the wherewithall to shove a copy of the now defunct Fairness Act down her throat??
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
Idiot racist Republicans....
By demanding Obama lead by the center right, they are implying that he is to obey them, and should not be allowed to lead on his own....
knows nothing. She was on the tube a week ago tonight insisting McCain was gonna win.
My hope is Sarah Palin will run in 2012, and her entire campign will be attacking groups the the radical Christians don't approve of....
I hope they openly declare america a Christian nation...
Reason being, this will further discredit them as a party, and help the Democrats win again in 2012....
Joe the Plumber for V.P.
Not sure if I'm correct here, but I'd be willing to wager from reading posts on here, that a majority of Americans are as liberal as Canadians. With that in mind, neither major parties really translates that, or don't want to, or just can't grasp that. It's been said before, even your Democratic Party is more conservative than any party in Canada. So who really does represent the progressive liberal types down there?
What they don't realize IS THAT they lost.
Oh, that's a laugh. Patriotism and hard work are "conservative values". If any group in this country cannot lay claim to patriotism and hard work, it's this traitorous group of wealthy fat cats.
I won't even mention "service to community". He must've been kidding there.
The words "Centre-Right" are really starting to grate on my nerves.
Not that this a brave or revolutionary statement, but these people are delusional.
Sorry, you don't get a say in how the President-elect chooses to direct the country via policy because you smeared him for the last year-plus on everything under the sun, including distorting his policy plans and positions.
You lost, a-holes and after the last 8 years, Americans don't trust that you're competent enough to direct traffic let alone direct the governing of the country.
STFU already. Let the adults handle things. You guys can sit back and plan your Palin party in 2012.
The US is a center right nation compared to the world, and its spectrum from progressive but capitalist (center) to reactionary but capitalist is very narrow (right). The people were given a narrow choice between a more rightish and a more centrish candidate. They chose centrish. So if Obama ran like a fascist or a Trotskyite, he would be going off script.
The problem is that the Republicans have wilfully misconstrued what it means to be a center right country. It means that even our leftists are very mild compared to the world. It does not mean that a legitimate president must rule from the center-right quadrant of the narrow spectrum of US politics. If Obama runs like a moderate to progressive Democrat, he'll be representing the people well.
jeez....why arent you on some beach in hawaii, soaking up rays and being drenched in suntan oil by some busty babe???
instead, i hear you on maddows show
dude...you need a rest...you are gonna kill yourself
btw....fuck larry elder...can someone please hire that uncle tom, house negro, for some plantation job?
and yes...that was a very racist comment....but listening to him constantly lie makes me fucking sick
oh, and when are we doing an article about the washington posts ombudsman, who now apparently speaks for both the editorial and opinion pages...counted articles, and decided that the paper was anti mccain and pro obama....and the wingnuts are running with this, screaming that the post admits its bias....what a crock of shit...especially when after picking palin and latching onto joe the fraud, there wasnt much positive to report on that campaign anyway...how does a paper frame racist rants from crowds in a positive light????
... he was one of the guest speakers at a function by an african american medical society many years ago. I wasn't paying much attention (as I was focused on the dinner itself), when at some point during his speech he started going off about how black women should be more careful about spreading AIDS. He conveniently avoided talking about where those black women may be getting AIDS from. This fool was not only full of self hate, but a misogynist to boot.
and skewed stats
today, he was questioning why people are all upset about companies outsourcing jobs to "increase productivity" but no one seems to be upset that the nba and mlb bring in foreign players, who no doubt take jobs from american players.
an absolutely absurd argument...especially since the mlb is concerned about the serious decrease of african american players among their ranks...so much so that they have instituted numerous inner city programs to bring blacks back to the game.
ya...he is an absolute shit...and has been taken to task over the past week by 2 of his on air coworkers...both who are conservatives
Bay reminds me of a hair dryer...hot air. Wishful thinking neocons,Obama will lead America right down the middle,CENTER is CENTER repubs. This right/left crap is so old. The whining repubs will never stop...yawnnnnnnn. Baaaaay?..isn't that what sheep say?
Should be welfare DEFORM.
Clinton was a weak man in more than one way. Loathful!
Welfare reform caused so much suffering for families struggling to survive. Women ended up living in cars for crissake! Daycare for many was nonexistant or too costly.
It wasn't a hand up. It was a foot in the face.
If these idiots think Obama would do that to families, they have another think coming.
Now, corporate welfare......well, there's so much to do!
WE DON'T NEED YOU. You are irrelevant. Come on board or become MORE irrelevant.
And will not bear arms and attack right-wing fucks.
Which is good.
Avoid conflict. Smile at your enemies.
Republicans tend to be black and white thinkers, thats why they think everybody sits on a number line according to their self reported political leanings (which are a reflection of their interpretation of the political climate in which they live) and this line is to be bisected in the middle to average them (what about the median or mode?).
No wonder they think the internets is a series of tubes they can't think in three dimensions.
When Bush stold office in 2000 the GOP gave Democrsts nothing and no say in anything. 2004 as Karl Rove fixed the Ohio voting machines Bush proudly said he won and could do what ever he wanted and even said he would work with Dems and didn't. Now as we have seen Bush Administration take the US into a recession and Obama wins by an unheard of 365 electorial vote here comes the GOP talking about what they want to cooperate. I say take those words and shove it because you don't count anymore we can do it on our own with all the American people.
This is what the Dems get for barely complaining that the Bushco agenda was over-the-line radical, on issue after issue, as the "liberal" blogs were saying.
When an extreme administration is busy gutting the Constitution, and you're not on record loudly calling it "controversial," then they've established a sick precedent. Mission accomplished.
That's why Pat Buchanan and cronies make half of their perverse comments, to see just what they can get away with, and how far to the right they can set the measure.
Excuse me--I have whiplash. Last week Obama was a socialist. Today he's a conservative. WTF??
I wanna take a dump on the center right and then we may move away from it because it stinks.
It stunk before your contribution.
Reaching across the aisle as the best way to smack some sense into these people.
Reach across the isle just far enough to give them a good dope slap across the back of their pointy heads.
Have another Vodka-tonic girlfriend and try not to light your hair on fire!
GFY.
Obama rules, get used to it.
George W. was a HAIR'S BREADTH right of center in 2000 and he thought he had POLITICAL CAPITAL to spend. Bay Buchanan, Rush, and Hannity all SHREEK about their center-right country... you'ld think McCain WON! He didn't.
Republicans have LOST ALL LEGITIMATE CLAIMS to a right-of-center country... the totals of last week's electoral votes PROVES THIS TO BE TRUE, and it proves them to be wrong. They should all crawl into a dark hole till they can come up with a different candidate... and some fresh new ideas... that might WIN THEIR VOTERS BACK. Until then... they are irrelevant.
I pretty much heard the same thing from Hannity. I'll go on a whim and say this is the new talking points sanctioned by conservatives. Perhaps this was the result of all that brain storming during that get together over at Bozell's house the other day. Their idea of compromising is that they will accept Obama as President as long as he implements their policies. How magnanimous. President Obama should make an attempt to find some middle ground but if conservatives attempt to dictate domestic and foreign policy as if they hold the cards then Obama should play hardball and begin taking away concessions. Whether conservatives like it or not, the people have spoken.
I think the meme for the Democrats is to turn the socialist argument on its head by telling the truth: 20 years of increasing lobbyist power have resulted in corporate hegemony of government.
The recent federal moves are seen more accurately as corporate control of government than as government control of business.
One of the traits of fascism is the prioritization of corporate and production interests over individual rights. In fact this gang is so greedy that they didn't even bother with the "production" side of things (which is arguably harder than simple corporate-driven speculation).
please, please, God . . . allow the Republicans to keep shooting themselves in the foot. Sean Hannity doesn't need any help, so it should lighten the load a bit
Bruce C Johnson
This is like the German generals giving conditions to the Russians, after the red army had taken over Berlin.
It is clear that for the GOP "compromise" means "do as we say or else." Because even when they have been throughly defeated they insist on setting the agenda.
The sad part is that the Dems are so spineless that they will make sure every right wing condition is me lest the GOP throw a temper tantrum. Bunch of wussies...
Right-of-Center...oh, I'm sorry Bay...did you win an election?
and shove it RIGHT up the CENTER of their ass!
Remember that these clowns "make" their "own reality" -- as Goebbels famously said - if you repeat a lie often enough - it is perceived as the truth. This is EXACTLY what they are doing now - attempting to create their own reality of a center-right nation. Unhappily for them, it simply doesn't exist.
We need the left to stand up to this firmly and even with a "in-your-face" attitude. This is NOT a center-right country and Obama has a mandate in excess of 8 million votes to prove it.
Katrina vanden Heuvel's article over at Huffingtonpost are excellent for this purpose. We need to constantly refute the reich's misleading statement AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
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Remember when they shut the government down - twice - under Clinton? They actually thought the public would rally to their cause - but they were the ones who - rightly - took the blame. THAT tells you how remarkably stupid they are.
Go ahead you frickin' babies - throw your tantrums - stamp your little feet - wave your tiny fists in the air - hold your breath until you turn blue - poop your nappies. Obama has a mandate from the American Voters - and that makes YOU unimportant.
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...I'd have one thing to say to Buchanan & Co:
FUCK YOU.
I'm sure a lot of those Right Wingnuts don't believe in dinosaurs, but it appears to me that they may be headed in a similar direction.
If not extinction than at least pariah status.
http://www.wilytrax.com
YOU'RE OFFERING OBAMA A DEAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
NOBODY INVITED YOU, YOU DUMB FUCKS! DONT YOU GET IT? YOU'VE BEEN SENT HOME! NOW GO!! PLEASE!!!
Stick a fork in yourself cuz YOU'RE DONE.
Bay Buchanan has no authority. She's not an elected official. I don't know why networks have her on - she merely spews talking points and never has an original idea of her own. Plus like her brother, I wish they'd turn her volume down.
In the spirit of our future leader. We are not center right, we are not center left. WE ARE ALL AMERICANS!
Get over it, and let's get to work, cause we have alot to do, and I for one will be the first one in line to help Obama.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/opinion/09r...
The entire piece is worth reading.
they would have voted for McCain and Palin.
This is pure spin, which is all they have now. Keep it up, and the mid-term will see the final throws of the Republican party.
The reason why Obama was successful is because he's articulated what Americans are feeling and where they stand on virtually every issue.
And the reason why the Democrats smashed the Republicans in the mid-term elections was because THEY ran on a strong "get out of Iraq" platform. Had they followed through, they'd have had the votes to be fillibuster-proof. But instead, they've dropped the meat in the dirt.
Obama, from our limited knowledge of him, will not allow that to happen.
Most Americans are liberal in outlook. Most support reproductive rights, gay rights, decrim, some measure of gun control, sep of church and state, etc, etc. That's what polls have shown for years and that's why the Dems have screwed up so many times. In being afraid to mention these issues, in other words by buying into the BS spread by a noisy minority on the fringe, they have failed to attract the vote. Obama handled this properly and look at the result.
As for these conehead so-called 'conservatives', WHY ARE THEY STILL TALKING? Nobody particularly cares what they think.
It's going to be painful watching the death throes of the hate movement, which are now underway. I expect O'Really to lose it live any day now.
Look at the numbers. You will find that you are in a minority smaller than you have experienced in a long time. You do not have any bargaining power. Another big point is that your party has never worked well with the other side of the aisle and we know that you are all lying sacks of manure. Go to the back of the bus.
the Dems and the people.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Remember when Jon Stewart implored the jerks on whatever show that was - "Please stop, you're hurting our country?"
These people are a bunch of evil hypocrites. Country first, my ass.
Many talking heads in the media have admitted that they need controversies so they have something to talk about. It's just all becoming a TV version of the National Enquirer. Pretty sad.
It is rather evident that the nut-wing of the right think like children. We'll only play if we get to make the rules. If not- scream and kick until we get our way! Well, you'd best get to kicking and screaming...
Make no motto of love that worships war
The republicans did not run Obama as center right. They ran him as a socialist terrorist muslim and the antichrist and that is who we elected.
"Center-right" policies destroyed the country. Time to do anything else.
GOP, Fox News, GOP pundits, or small c christians all have to be taken with no grain of salt at all. Their spin is redundant, predictable and their intention is not for the sake of America but for the sake of their party ideology. They will lie, distort, misinterpret and sling spaghetti tactics to see what will stick on a daily basis. The American public is not only familiar and aware and renouncing their discourse; they ignore it as laughable.
The GOP base, let's label them Palinites, are considered by other than the base GOP voters as yesterdays agenda and though they have the GOP by the throat (or other anatomical parts), the congress and senate GOP individuals will be less incline anymore to toe the line, lock step as before. That is an obvious fact that will have a major impact on Democratic reform. I expect a major backlash towards the Palinites; a new breed of GOP not easily intimidated by the neocons and christians is cropping up. I expect that distancing themselves from the Palinites will be their survival instinct. They do not want to see a resurgence of neocon Palinites power. Politics makes strange bedfellows; your about to witness some very practical and pragmatic bipartisan alliances.
Bay Buchanan: Yap, yap, yap. That's all I hear when she opens her trap.
far left loon >.<
This is all a play to get people believeing Obama is centr right, so the republican can scream he is Center left. So then the republicans can hold up stuff and have cover,,,,they think. The Republicans know Obama is going to run his way, and there aint no stopping him. A republican gets in his way of doing what he believes is right for the country. Add one more Democrat to the congress
"Huh? Right wingers proclaim they will work with Obama if he only governs from the "center right"
The Democratic congress should go after Bush and Cheney the same way the wingers went after Clinton.
And while I'm at it... Joe Lieberman... go fuck yourself you traitor.
Harry Reid... do the right thing and we'll give you a pass... for now.
John McCain... you sold your legacy, honor and reputation to the evangelical right wing whack jobs for a job... go fuck yourself. "Country First"... what a crock of shit!
George Bush... congratulations on being the worst president ever... go fuck yourself. You've fucked up every endeavor you put your hands on. I can't imagine how you can look in the mirror when you know you literally fucked up the whole world! BTW I'd rather have my nobody legacy than yours.
Cheney... AKA Darthvador... you are the most evil man on the planet earth... go fuck yourself. Don't ever come down my block... you'll never reach the end. Not a threat, a fact. It's my non belief in heaven and hell that says we should put you in hell here and if there is an after life hell, all the better... you've got a non-refundable ticket straight down. Look at the "bright side" at least you and George will be back together.
To all the religious right wing freaking screwballs ... go fuck yourself! Do us a favor, get a jump on the Rapture and jump off a bridge then you can meet your god a little sooner.
And to all you right wing whack job media lying POS... a double whammy GO FUCK YOURSELF!
It's no time to be play the nice guy... the wingnuts wouldn't. They are still out their with all the hate you can imagine. And the BEST time to kick them is when their down! It's time we put these idiots out of their misery
From viewing the various video clips, you would think the Republicans won in every category: Executive Senate and Congressional. They have not. Within every level of government, Americans "kicked the bums out."
Leave it up to the "Spin Doctors" to call it like Druge wrote it. Now, we can look at all that has been done to change the face of our political climate. So, the millions in dollars, the hours of strategical planing and the hundreds of man hours will now fall prey to a simple counter statement: "The Democrats really won by being Republicans." The Republicans may not of stole another election, but they have not trying to steal something that is not theirs.
On cue, the Republicans have made this year a monumental year of blunders and political bad moves. Everything they have did and said came out ass backwards and in most cases was used against them. This current claim will be no exception. You need only ask John McCain and Sarah Palin. They took the lead in blunders.
In this election, Americans said one thing loud and clear: "we our not stupid and we want our country back." Change is in and we have to make it work for us. It is truly an exciting time.
Joseph
Want to make any bets on how long it takes them to change their tune once they realize we don't need them anymore?
Those who believe that America is a right of center nation must never have heard of some things called the American Revolution and the Constitution of the United States.
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