White House may ditch Republicans after all on health care reform
(h/t Heather)
Well the news is percolating something very positive about the White House, health care and the obstructionist-teabagging republicans.
Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul, and are increasingly focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks.Top Democrats said Tuesday that their go-it-alone view was being shaped by what they saw as Republicans’ purposely strident tone against health care legislation during this month’s Congressional recess, as well as remarks by leading Republicans that current proposals were flawed beyond repair.The White House spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said of Republican lawmakers, “Only a handful seem interested in the type of comprehensive reform that so many people believe is necessary to ensure the principles and the goals that the president has laid out.”The Democratic shift may not make producing a final bill much easier.
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Democratic senators might feel more empowered, for example, to define the authority of the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that are emerging as an alternative to a public insurance plan.Republicans have used the Congressional break to dig in hard against the overhaul outline drawn by Democrats.
The Senate’s No. 2 Republican, Jon Kyl of Arizona, is the latest to weigh in strongly, saying Tuesday that the public response lawmakers were seeing over the summer break should persuade Democrats to scrap their approach and start over.“I think it is safe to say there are a huge number of big issues that people have,” Mr. Kyl told reporters in a conference call from Arizona. “There is no way that Republicans are going to support a trillion-dollar-plus bill.”The White House has also interpreted critical comments by Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican negotiator in a crucial Finance Committee effort to reach a bipartisan compromise, as a sign that there is little hope of reaching a deal politically acceptable to both parties.”
We don't trust Rahm and for good reason since he's been the ex-Blue Dog recruiting Congressman, but it seems that they are leaking out this information. If this is true then the Netroots should celebrate because of the pressure we've been putting on the Baucus Dogs and other members of Congress to include the public option or there will be hell to pay. And Republicans have acted in bad faith the entire time as every one of their leadership has attacked anything in the reform that doesn't make the insurance companies richer.
Anderson Cooper of CNN did a report last night that echoes the NY Times piece.
Cooper: After negotiating with republicans, conservative democrats and seemingly themselves over parts of a plan CNN has learned that the administration could be getting closer to a very big change. Namely crafting a health care bill and try to ram it through the Senate even if it passes by only a single vote.
Henry: Well Anderson there is no final decision, but Democrats close to the White House are saying that they are now actively considering the possibility of doing a go it alone strategy. It's a budget maneuver, very obscure known as reconciliation where they would only need a simple majority, 51 votes instead of 60 votes to push through health reform. Republicans would scream that this is a power grab, it's an underhanded move but White House officials privately are already laying out the ground work by saying look, we've been working with republicans for months. If they don't get something done in the next weeks we're going to have to take drastic measures...."If we're going to have to push it through no ones going to remember how messy it is, but they'll remember at the end of the day that we got health care reform done," his ad visors have said, "a win is a win."
The Democratic Party won a mandate in the general election so how can it be a power grab, Ed? If the GOP won, there would be no talk like this by the Ed's of the media. Part of me thinks that it's possible some republicans and Baucus Dogs will then come back to the table and weaken the bill more, but make it appear to be stronger. They will probably go on TV instead and reeve up the teabaggers some more and we'll see fifty caliber cannons strapped to their shoulders and scowls on their faces in the coming days. We'll see how it all shakes out. Why does Ed Henry think reconciliation is an obscure procedure? We've been writing about this for months on our blogs and the media has been reporting on it almost as long. It's like Henry is trying to set up the narrative that the White House just discovered reconciliation in a cigar smoked, dark room and are screwing the American people by using it. They should look to their hero George Bush because he used it for his tax cuts and to open the Arctic Wildlife refuge for domestic oil drilling when he was in office.
And as Media Matters noted:
Republicans used the reconciliation process to pass the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, and the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005, among others.
And Ronald Reagan used it to pass his historic tax cuts for the rich.
But when a Republican uses it, that's normal; if Democrats use it, they are being power-hungry dirty f*&king hippies.
I'd also like to thank the teabaggers for acting like complete psychos while Republicans in Congress looked on with glee. They helped the White House accept what we've been saying if it does come down to this. Republicans would never allow true health care reform in any meaningful way and the nuts put an exclamation mark on this big time. Thank you!
i hope it's not too late. how can this be a bad thing? a public ad campaign pointing out the republicans tried to stop social security and medicare, and now, they are up to it again. get the people really pissed off and it just might work.
Version will this be... A health reform bill before they let the republicans , Emanuel , blue dogs slaughter it or after they have incorporated all the Global Health Empire's goodies in it..
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How can it be a bad thing? Have you seen what these town hall meetings have done to the positive opinion of UHC? It'll hurt Obama a lot. I think the wiser course of action would be to withdraw for now and learn what mistakes not to make (underestimating the complete psychopatheticness (yes I just made that up) of the GOP) and come back in a few months or next year and ram it through and watch the Reps lose their heads as the President signs it. Fuck em, they obviously don't give a shit about ever giving an inch and we shouldn't either on this cause. The main thing is to get it right though, so there's always that.
If Democrats Do not include a public option ,, then they are still giving us a mouthful of lies , deceit and BS..
A reform health bill ""without a public option"" is what they "ALL" wanted from the start. Democrat included... They kicked the American citizens for single payer plan out of the first meeting , even laughing at them... Saying we are not going to consider that at all..
Americans are the ONES paying the bill so why in the h... are we excluded from receiving the health bill WE WANT>>>
Anyone following their constant give-a-ways to the republican party and the republican blue dogs and EMANUEL should know d... well we are being screw if we do not receive a public option in this bill.
Americans are and will be flipping the bill for whatever they pass and we are the ones which should be satisfied
The only thing that private health providers will add is a more expensive health policy and health care services..
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May Have To? May Have To.
I may have to breathe today.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
............finally can we ditch the 'bipartisonship'??????? Please????
It's about gorram time!
Fuck the republicans!
Saddam and Gorram in the Bible?
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
of those OTHER cities that got smited by teh hand o' goawd.
You know...for cornholin' and whatnot.
spider holin.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
That was invented by Stan Lee in the 60's!
Bipartisanship is bullshit, and the Democrats are apparently the last ones to realize it.
If you Google "William Kristol 1993 health care memo" you'll see that he sent a memo around to the GOP in 1993 saying that it was imperative that Republicans DESTROY COMPLETELY Clinton's health care reform plan, because, if passed in any form it would lock the GOP into permanent minority status. Then he outlined a strategy for how to do it. It worked, and we spent another 16 years without healthcare reform.
They're using exactly the same strategy today. Why not? Why change a successful strategy when apparently the Democrats STILL haven't found a way to deal with it?
Could not suceed with their lies and deceitful tactics if all our democrats were really democrats , with the wishes and concerns of the American people at heart..
Face It ,,we have to vote these democrat which are republicans in republican clothing,, out of office when their reelection is due..
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What about the obstructionist Democrats?
I hate to sound excessively partisan, but anyone who thought the Republican party would cooperate with this president in formulating policy, much less comprehensive health care reform, is hopelessly naive.
The republicans are simply a bunch of babies. It's never about the goodness and welfare of the American people with republicans; it's about ME, ME, ME.
They are always quick to minimalize their lawbreaking and sexual perversions. Quick to point the finger. Always ready to seek ways to avert attention from their wrong doing and always in denial.
It's all a huge shell game with republicans; bait and switch conmen with their hand in your pocket.
If anything happens to Obama, I hope Americans have the good sense to purge the rightwing hypocrites and destroy the republican party once and for all.
Party first, Corporations too, and oh, maybe then country
on this planet. They have a different set of facts that have no basis in reality in this or any other universe and they cling to them like Linus clings to his blanket.
Hell, I bet there is somehing structurally different in their brains. We'll need to wait for someone like Palin to die so an autopsy can prove it but I am willing to bet. To bad L Ron Howard didn't address this little gem in Dianetics.
There is no need for their input and the world should learn that it is better off without it.
Have been electing some of those No-brainers lately..
Blue dogs , Emanuel , Baccus ,,
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Argument here. Emanuel has no loyalty except to himself, and the Zionist.
it's about time the Dems grew a pair and realized that the Rethuglicans WILL NEVER agree to any kind of legislation the Dems put forth, even if it is co-signed by Jesus H. Christ himself. Their aim is OBSTRUCTION, OBSTRUCTION, OBSTRUCTION, and they have no intention of cooperating with anybody who has a (D) after their name. Their entire modus operandi is to bring down Obama's presidency, just as they tried to do to Clinton. They hounded Clinton from the day he was inaugurated, and have hounded Obama since BEFORE he was inaugurated........they will never change. Real Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower and even Barry Goldwater (an extremist in his day--now seems as tame as vanilla pudding) are spinning in their graves with such thugs and hypocrites spewing hatred in the name of their party. Get some brains, Dems, and pass this legislation without ANY Rethuglican help--then the whole country will see that they are only interested in Obama's failure and could give a damn about the country and its citizens.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Bush rammed 2 wars, deregulation, conservatism on us. It's about time we get the progressive changes that voted for last November. I know that obama is not really a progressive but if he has any brains he'll understand that is what most of the people want.
1.) Conyers H.R. 676 "Medicare for All" or
2.) As a "compromise", a piece of SIMPLE legislation that allows individual states to go their own way by creating a Single Payer system with no Federal penalties/interference and a "PUBLIC OPTION" THAT SIMPLY GIVES THOSE WHO CARE TO THE RIGHT TO SIGN UP FOR MEDICARE. (Krugman's idea).
The deduction from your paycheck would be something VERY modest (5%), and there would be a stiff tax on the wealthy and the military industrial complex budget would be cut, as needed, to subsidize health care. The Pentagon can't buy twenty more drones so they can murder innocent humans like it's Pac Man? Well too fucking bad!
And any U.S. physician collecting a penny of money from Medicare would HAVE to acccept ANY "Public Option" patients. That way we would truly have a CHOICE of doctors and that would eliminate the most rotten elements that now exist in H.R. 3200. (If you think "Medicaid" patients have a "choice" of doctors....get into Medicaid and be prepared to really be sick).
And THERE MUST BE NO PENALTY/FINE IN ANY PLAN THAT IS PASSED. "YOU SAY YOU WANT A REVOLUTION???"
Any U.S. Pharmaceutical Industries receiving U.S.subsidies for R&D must negotiate the lowest possible medication deals for ALL Americans. Very minimal profits for them.
And the insurance corporations need to be kicked to the curb where they belong. This legislation must be crafted to, over time, send them all packing into some other business where they can no longer play with the lives, security, happiness and well-being of the American people....rich or poor.
Abbybwood, R.N.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Insurance companies do serve their role in other countries with UHC and they have enough business to compete. I know they are evil scumbags at this point but we have to keep them for several reasons.
"Republicans would scream that this is a power grab, it's an underhanded move"
And that charge is worse than Democrats want to pull the plug on Granny? That the milquetoast public option is a take over of 1/6 of the economy?
How is that scream damaging?
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Screaming only hurts the throats of those doing the screaming. Let's just hope they have health insurance in case they tear something.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Fuck 'em. Let 'em scream.
The response should be...1) why are you acting crazy? 2) what is YOUR plan to cover the uninsured, 3) how are YOU going to pay for it. 3) will premiums and deductibles be going up, 4) what about pre existing conditions, 5) why do you insist on trying to scream me down...do you not honor the First Amendment...or my rights? 6) why do you hate America?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Would you like a breath mint?
Where would you like for me to put all your stupid? I'm full.
No ! Say it ain't so. After all of the help and cooperation they've given us? They've been so helpful. We need them to help push this through. No, really, where would we be without them?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
HA!
We'd all be livin in a much more betterer country!
Put Rep Anthony Weiner on the job. He bested both Scarborough and Matthews yesterday. This guy is the best. His argument for medicaid for all is a winner and he can back every bit of it up. Plus he doesn't care if it pisses off the republicans because they are already pissed off and acting pissy.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Definitely will be giving financial support to his campaign...
We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Native American proverb
If being cold means there's no such thing as global warming, does being full mean there's no such thing as world hunger?
Scarborough has invited him back, I think for tomorrow. I guess Joe thinks he will be ready to face him if he has a little more prep time. Joe should hang it up and congratulate the guy 'cause he isn't going to get the better of Rep Weiner. That guy's heart is in it and he's not backing off.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Than pissed on. No ,wait, that's C street.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
But, that's 'holy water' ...right?
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
They allowed the republicans to use their idiot playbook and manufacture 'dissent' through astroturf campaigns...and allowed the corporate media to game the frame like they wanted to...
We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Native American proverb
If being cold means there's no such thing as global warming, does being full mean there's no such thing as world hunger?
The problems arise from the fact that the Dems are playing by "the Gentleman's Rulebook", whereas the Repubs aren't using any rulebook.
Quite hard to meet in the middle when there's no edge to one side of the table!
OK so who won the elections?
This is time for an open thread about the numerous issues that the White House should ditch the Republicant's for.
For War!
For Valarie Plame!
For real investigations into... all of it!!!
For theiving bankers!
For profiteering!
And on and on and on...
Cui Bono?
HR 676 Single Payer
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
So is it possible to whip 51 votes for medicare for all?
Fuck Yeah.
And you'll have Republicans voting for it too...cause at the end of the day...they prefer reelection over party principles.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I hope all you folks on the east coast are keeping an eye on Hurricane Bill.. My guess is the Carolinas. He's a cat 4 now.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Since I'm on the east coast of florida I am definately watching Bill. We are huffing and puffing as hard as we can to blow the thing away. Looks like as of now we're doing a heck of a job.
Today we are experiencing what is left of Ana. Just some occasional rain and wind but nothing at all worth worrying about. I just hope she peters out and doesn't do anything funny once she hits the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
us folks in the keys are keepin BOTH eyeballs trained on that SOB
But looks to me like it's headin for the New England area...
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5-...
Here's the latest from NOAA..
I hope it wanders aimlessly into the north atlantic and weakens bigtime before making landfall...
If this thing hits NYC as a CAT 4 or worse...yikes...It will make Katrina look like a dust devil.
south in the Gulf and hit Texas. In between Corpus Christi and Brownsville, then turn north.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
It would obliterate the keys if it goes through the straits of Florida...
Seriously, I wouldn't wish any hurricane on anyone or anywhere, I went through Andrew in '92...up close and personal...they're scary as hell man...
I'm talkin piss your pants then pray to god kinda scary.
I'dathunkit pray to your pants and piss to god scary.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
not fun at all.
I'm with ya on that. I had just moved into my house in Key Largo 5 days before TS Mitch hit it. (Thankfully I had insurance.) Then a few years back Wilma.
(I no longer live in the Keys :( but plan to return upon my retirement ~5 years.)
I was living in SE TX for 5 years and went through both Rita and Ike. No fun.
I pray each and every hurricane will die at sea. Those who think it would somehow be "fun" to go through one are total idiots.
in august '04...I was livin in a tiny travel trailer, on the bayside, and that was the year we had 4 major hurrincanes hit florida in as many weeks...
and they ALL went over the keys if I remember correctly...
I moved out of that trailer ASAP!
I don't pray, but I wish them to die at sea...but to be honest, when a CAT 1 or CAT 2 storm hits, it can be exciting...not to mention the hurricane parties...
btw...now is THE time buy a house in the keys...
I hope they don't hit any bad turbulence landing in Baahstun....
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
...we have learned from the mistakes of our past many times and we act to correct them whether the issue is Woman's Suffrage, Civil Rights, Prohibition, Social Security or Medicare and ALWAYS these programs are passed despite the vociferous protests of those people and groups upset by any change in the status quo.
Doesn't this history show us the best action to take now in this issue is one for the best ideal national single payer health plan for our citizens paid for with our tax dollars in a full force "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY" style working with our Democratic Majority Party in Congrass?
Why not try for Medicare for everyone?
Thank you Mr.President and good luck in this fight.
We are in it with you because you are fighting for us.
First of all, Anderson, STOP CALLING IT "the Nuclear Option."
The Nuclear Option is what the assclown Republicans threatened to do in the Senate when Democrats threatened to filibuster Bush's judicial nominees. If the Democrats ever threaten to change the Senate rules in response to Republican filibusters, THEN you can refer to it as the nuclear option.
Second, Budget Reconciliation IS NOT and "obscure" maneuver. Americans are ALL TOO FAMILIAR with what it is, since the Republicans used it THREE TIMES to ram through Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, causing the budget deficits to explode.
If they want to whine about it now, the Democrats can just remind them that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
who owns the MSM? It's the corporate facsist neocon nazis who control them. Kick the republicans to the curb and they can call it what they want. They are not going to negotiate in good faith and oh, there is a black man in the whitehouse.
Leave the right out in the cold, gobsmacked. I'm not going to let up the pressure just yet though. There's still a lot both sides can do to screw it up in spite of all the work everyone on the outside is doing. We haven't won the war just yet but we may have won this battle.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Labor Warns Dems: We'll Sit Out Election If You Oppose Public Plan
Some stuff you can't make up!
That maybe the big push we needed!
Good news indeed.
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polling indicates that 80% of the people want single payer, like a medicare or medicaid.
1/6 of the american economy is in the hands of health insurance and pharma.
18,000 people die each year from having medical procedures refused by insurers
Illness and medical bills caused half of the 1,458,000 personal bankruptcies in 2001, according to a study published by the journal Health Affairs. Most of those bankrupted by illness had health insurance. More than three-quarters were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness. However, 38 percent had lost coverage at least temporarily by the time they filed for bankruptcy.
when is the above information going to become a real part of the debate. when are we going to stop listening to the republican 'plants' at the townhalls. (what person with insurance is going to scream for profitability) Many of these have been investigated, including the young Republican who asked the President: 'why should the government unfairly compete against insurance companies'.
Please consider the fact that so many other countries improve the global competitive opportunities for the companies in their own countries by providing the healthcare.
The debate also continuously ignores our ranking against other countries in the areas of infant mortality, per capita costs for medical services and outcomes from varying procedures. The US usually falls between 25 and 37 in several key categories.
This is not information that is unavailable to the whitehouse. Please use these facts in the debate. Please don't be fooled by pundits with an agenda, idealogical or political. Please have a look at the state of this nation and do something about it. Something that benefits all Americans.
Thank you for your time.
CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents
Some stuff you can't make up!
Do they need a private option?
Welcome to back the reality based community, labor.
We missed you.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Since the MSM is already starting to frame this as a "power grab" and "underhanded", how do we provide a spine to the administration to go forward? As the officials who happen to represent my district are Republicans, I don't think writing or calling them is going to do me any good. Is it a matter of organizing our side on this for some demonstrations? I'm not into trying to shout over the teabaggers at town halls, but dammit, we must do something.
Also, write to any and all Democratic congress people without regard to your district. You may not be able to do that through their online mail forms, so send a postcard or call.
Mr. President,
In recent news reports it appears that talk of "going it alone" without the Republicans to pass meaningful healthcare reform is being considered. It seems clear to me that even those members of congress who contend to be working towards a compromise have really been dragging their feet, if not openly working against such bi-partisanship (i.e. Chuck Grassley). Therefore, I strongly encourage you to openly embrace this track. I believe it will be the only way to make the changes we desperately need.
Given the embarrassing way Republicans have endorsed, either passively or actively, the outrageous behavior of many at the recent town hall events, you should have little trouble showing them to be fringe extremists. Please continue to make the points that we can not afford inaction, and that any plan must be in the interest of keeping our citizens healthy, not lining the pockets of insurance executives.
Mr. President:
I have been a fervent Obama supporter from Day 1. I phone-banked for you and contributed money to your campaign. The day you were inaugurated was one of the happiest days I have experienced in years...even though 5 days earlier I had been layed off my job. I contributed small amounts of money, but as much as I could afford, to your campaign. I shed tears when you were elected. But I am sick at heart now to find (according to news reports) that you are strongly thinking of jettisoning the public option for healthcare because of political and corporate pressure. To say I am disappointed is an understatement. I am heartbroken. You were the salvation of Americans, democrats, and progressives after wandering in the political wilderness for the last 30 years--and suffering the fall of true democracy during the reign of George W. Bush. WHY ARE YOU ABANDONING THE MOST IMPORTANT OF YOUR CAMPAIGN PLEDGES WHEN THE NATION NEEDS THIS HELP SO MUCH? I had envisioned you had more guts than that.
Americans are suffering with no hope for reasonable (or any!) healthcare while the insurance and PhRMA fat cats enjoy their huge profits and citizens are suffering and dying because of poor or no care. I agree (and have communicated as much to David Axelrod at the White House recently) with progressive radio talk show host and author, Thom Hartmann, who today wrote you an open letter which appears on the Common Dreams website. Medicare for all would be the perfect option. It's already in place, it has a 3% administration fee, and everybody over 65 (like me) loves it. Please do not allow yourself to be intimidated by those bullying Blue Dogs who are traitors to their party. They are all bought out by the insurance companies who contribute MILLIONS to their campaigns. PLEASE HONOR YOUR PLEDGE FOR CHANGE AND HOPE. I love you, but if there is no public option in the healthcare bill, you have lost my vote forever.
'Nuff said.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
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Tue, 08/18/2009 - 21:58 — CoIntelPro.Pron...
polling indicates that 80% of the people want single payer, like a medicare or medicaid.
1/6 of the american economy is in the hands of health insurance and pharma.
18,000 people die each year from having medical procedures refused by insurers
Illness and medical bills caused half of the 1,458,000 personal bankruptcies in 2001, according to a study published by the journal Health Affairs. Most of those bankrupted by illness had health insurance. More than three-quarters were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness. However, 38 percent had lost coverage at least temporarily by the time they filed for bankruptcy.
when is the above information going to become a real part of the debate. when are we going to stop listening to the republican 'plants' at the townhalls. (what person with insurance is going to scream for profitability) Many of these have been investigated, including the young Republican who asked the President: 'why should the government unfairly compete against insurance companies'.
Please consider the fact that so many other countries improve the global competitive opportunities for the companies in their own countries by providing the healthcare.
The debate also continuously ignores our ranking against other countries in the areas of infant mortality, per capita costs for medical services and outcomes from varying procedures. The US usually falls between 25 and 37 in several key categories.
This is not information that is unavailable to the whitehouse. Please use these facts in the debate. Please don't be fooled by pundits with an agenda, idealogical or political. Please have a look at the state of this nation and do something about it. Something that benefits all Americans.
Thank you for your time.
CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents
Some stuff you can't make up!
What gets me is, why does the Prez want to include the GOPers?
Push them into irrelevancy. That's where they belong. To fookin bad if their feelings get hurt. The party of NO! has made themselves perfectly clear.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Exposing your defenses to see their attack.
The Republicans have made their move. We know where they stand. Sure, it would have been nice, even great, to have a few on our side with that. However, they've made their bed and when this passes, it'll just be another nail in the coffin for the modern conservative movement.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
YOUR THINKING.
Some stuff you can't make up!
When I called the White Housed to register my displeasure with the trial balloon of dumping the public option, the person answering the phones said the calls were overwhelming, and overwhelmingly in favor of the public option. Now we need to apply the same pressure, showing our support for use of the reconciliation process and a willingness to have Obama's back over this.
Been pinched to many times by trick endings.
Maybe the dems are going to grow some juevos after all.
Maybe even some cojones!
ovaries.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
subterfuge.
The Dem's are really beginning to annoy me.
Change We Can Believe In crap the first thing they did was turn around and hand out $12 trillion dollars to fraudulent Wall Street banksters.
The Wall Street bail-out was under boosh
Obama tried to bail out the auto industry.
Although strangely enough it was the Cash for Clunkers that might do more good.
But you'll always hear repugs argue the program is a failure.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
but instead he said, okay who gets what here now?
For a minute there I thout you said, "No it wasn't the buick could have stopped at Obama's desk."
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Kick 'em to de kerb!
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Leave them by the kerb. Drive away and don't look back. In the new truck you got with cash for clunkers.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
are getting restless....
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Let's see now: the GOP can't defeat the plan outright so a select few of them are "reaching across the aisle" to pick the Dems' pockets. These kleptos will create a diluted plan which the GOPers will almost unanimously vote against. The result will be a plan written by the GOP but completely owned by the Dems. The GOP base will rally to their "saviors", the progressive wing of the Dems will turn against the party in disgust and the independents will see that the Dems produce little more than nice-sounding but ultimately empty rhetoric. The clear winners will be the GOP and the insurance companies while the losers will be the Democratic party, healthcare providers and the American people. This doesn't sound politically or morally savvy to me.
The Dems tried to be inclusive but now that the GOP has shown its hand the path is clear: ignore the obstructionists and enact Medicare For All: The Hundred Percent Solution™—an American-made plan for all Americans!
In a well-furnished room somewhere, a bunch of health-insurance executives are laughing so hard, they're pissing their pants.
The big mistake was not to go for full single-payer (Medicare for all), with the 'public option' (public insurance competing with private) as a fall-back position. Then you'd still be able to break the insurance oligopoly.
Teabaggers should be called Sandbaggers from now on.
... their asses. The pompous actions of an narcissistic ideology have now been extraordinarily revealed and recorded for prosperity. Blinded by rage and money, they once again chose to rely on faith instead of the facts.
I believe it's unwise to ask for all the marbles, but a cleared path will often lead to new discoveries. We have truer representation in the House vs the Senate, the predominant ideology is self-evident.
Please plan on increasing your jurisdiction's national threat level accordingly... the Talibirchers are relentless!
Study the symptoms not the virus...
One nutjob at a time!
http://imgur.com/LSDGi.jpg
It's time to kick the GOP psycho's in the nuts, and tell them to sit down and STFU!
Tell them, "you are a 38% minority, and this will be your high water mark after the American people get health care they can afford. Once they realize that you opposed it every step of the way, while giving trillions to your cronies, your asses will be cooked for another 60 years!"
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Elections have consequences. Time to shut these LOSERS up and deliver. Let them parade around with their Hitler BS all they want. They too will
get a government run option that will force the insurance thieves to compete. Screw all Republicans. Barney Frank hit it on the head: Having a conversation with them is like talking to a dining room table.
Do you really think that it does our side good to continue calling the "Tea Party" crowd "teabaggers?" I think that you should read Bob Somerby's thoughts on this subject at The Daily Howler.
I think the news media first hilariously coined the term. Hell we could call them alot worse names. If you look at the name calling, I think you'll find that our side is alot more civil than theirs. I also think you'll find we never get any points for civility.
I say let us have our fun.
NEVER BEING FORCED TO PAY ANY FOR PROFIT "HEALTH" INSURANCE CORPORATION ONE RED CENT OF MY MONEY!
Fun for me would be signing up for Medicare NOW (I'm 59) and opening my mail and seeing my Medicare card.
Then I could call ANY DOCTOR and make an appointment and have a physical exam and then be treated appropriately for anything that is found to be wrong.
THAT WOULD BE "FUN".
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
but it does make it more fun for others.
Look, a word is a word. It means nothing unless someone else gives it meaning. We can call them "teabaggers" all day, but it means nothing unless they respond to it in offense.
It gives some of us an outlet. I don't use the word, but I won't condemn someone else using the word.
That said. There's a sense of decorum and I wouldn't advocate anyone going to a Conservative website and start throwing that word around. However, for the most part we're relatively harmless and a good bunch.
Except for trolls. We don't take too kindly for trolls and they won't let me keep one as a pet.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Remember the fiasco with the pet rock!?
I swear I thought I secured the parachute and I didn't know that missus' car was parked there.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
So you admit about the parachutes!
How many pet rocks had to die, before you finally got it right?
My lawyer has advised me not to discuss the exact numbers involving the pet rocks and the puppets.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Your application to own a pet troll has been approved based on inapprpriate alternatives.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
names lest we hurt their feelings...
But this angry guy just does not give a damn about their feelings.
I will continue to call them names.
Often, and with gusto.
That when they decide to pull this trigger (A trigger I have known for a long time they were going to have to pull) that they un-waterdown the legislation before doing so.
I also hope that this threat doesn't scare the moderates into a no public option compromise.
Let me think...FIFTY MILLION new voters would flock to Democrats and Obama if they pass a really good public health care option.
Would they really want so many grateful new supporters?
That's what scares the Republicans.
Their strategy is not to get new voters but to discourage others from voting.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
To hell with the Republicans. Don't waste your time even trying to discuss with these people. As Barney Frank said, I'd sooner have an argument with a table.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/opinion/18h...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I'm not gonna scream "wheeee" until I see where this is going.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-hou...
WH denies it's preparing to go it alone.
I am sick of this shit.
Fuck 'em. CALL...Keep Calling.
Flood the phones! Emails.
Put Rahm Emanuels balls in a political wringer till he's cryin' like Glen Beck!!!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
grow a set, you foolish Dems and do what the majority of 'REAL'
Americans want and need: reformed health care. and by 'REAL' Americans I mean everyone, as we are all 'REAL' Americans. not just the ones yelling and being rude at town halls. but especially Americans working hard in the netroots nation. progressives deserve to be heard and are being heard. now get it done, Pelosi/Reid!
.......sometimes you have to go it alone, and this is one of those times. Republicans are slime, and have no interest in working with Democrats. All they want to do is see Obama fail......period.
I'm afraid that at this point, if Obama fails, we ALL fail. People better wake up and realize what is going on around them.
As our last president often said, 'you're either with us or against us'. At this point, if you're against us, we'll just have to go it alone. All these wingnuts will benefit from these changes in the long run; they're just too stupid to realize it.
Not only that but endorse efforts of groups like Blue America to expose the Bribe-O-Crats' corruption to their own constituents.
There's no making nice with sociopaths.
as our forefathers may have thought we could achieve a more perfect union by working together as one people and one nation with the common good as our ongoing cause, we have unfortunately destroyed their vision. It looks as though we have reached a point where there seems to be no going back - a point that is inevitably and forever Us vs. Them.
That being the case, it is simply time for our elected representatives to draw their pens and fight.
Expect Obama to fall to his knees and give in to Republican demands
It's going to be interesting for sure ........
Blue Cross Dems better be very careful when they decide whether they will vote for a Democratic bill. I plan to work very hard to replace any Blue Cross Dem that votes against it.
NOW you'll see the Democratic base at work.
Labor, minorities, middle class....EVERYONE.
Medicare FOR ALL!!!!!
It's time to move back to our roots and away from the bill of goods that Ronald Reagan and corporatist swine GOP and their enablers led us to.
More pressure!!! More more more more. Call! Keep calling. Emails! CALL THE RIGHT WING PUNDITS...get on their shows. Tell them....I'm a liberal...I'm a progressive...we're BACK...and payback is going to be a bitch!
And then we apply the coup de grace....We MARCH ON WASHINGTON!!!!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Spineless Dems going it alone?? I'll believe it when I see it.
If they had 60 seats in the Senate . . . would they hesitate to vote something in that they wanted???
Come one Democrats, grow at least one testicle (at least the left one), maybe two, get this job done!!!!
This is what representative democracy is!!! YOu have the seats because you won elections, you have "political capital" now go do what GWB did not - - invest and grow it rather than spend (blow) it !!!
The Republicans may have managed to squander what was almost unsquanderable at this point- A "bandaid reform" that does almost nothing to change the existing healthcare debacle while looking like "something", so that real reform would be dead again for decades. It was exactly what they should want, and what it looked like the Democrats would completely cave to. But the Republicans have gotten so crazy greedy and even believe the idiocy they've fomented in the ranks of the Palinbots that they're finally going to get thrown over the side. If it could only turn out this way. Please, please, please!!!
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