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What an exercise in non-critical thinking and the wholesale acceptance of right wing talking points without relation to facts. Inside the specious bubble that encapsulates the Beltway and the media elites who reside within it, they've experienced a much different reality than you and I have. According to them, after a relatively "non-controversial" and "bipartisan" decision in Afghanistan, President Obama has aggressively pushed a liberal agenda, alienating the Republican minority and the American people, who have responded to this unapologetic move to the left by distrusting government, hence the overwhelming turnout for the tea parties.

MATTHEWS: ‘Kay, this is the key question. Helene, you’re at the White House too. Last question here: how can you be a man of …or a leader of the progressive movement, really do things that enlarge the role of government in the health care field, for example. And in financial regulations. And still make the country in this kumbaya-we-all-get-along mood? If you change, it bothers people.

COOPER: I think that is so much at the center of why President Obama is having so many problems right now. There’s this fundamental belief that he can change—that the power of his personality and the power of his oratory can change people and that just doesn’t happen. There’s this over-reliance, I think, at the White House if the President gives a very big speech, if he comes out there , that he can persuade people and he can do it and at the same time you don’t have anything changing at the bottom of the way Washington works.

As if. What color do you suppose the sky is in their world?

There are no facts that penetrate their dense skulls. They ignore that Obama was elected with a huge mandate for change, not just for the sake of change, but to do things differently than the train wreck that was the two terms of Bush/Cheney. People aren't afraid of that kind of change, Tweety, we're calling out for it. We are not a center-right country, you addle-pated bubblehead. If we were, why did we elect Obama over the center-right candidate? And please, spare me with the "liberal agenda" crap. Obama has ceded anything and everything that might have made health care reform liberal. There's no big government planned. In fact, that false meme is courtesy of the party who has time and time again been responsible for the expansion of government while blaming it on the opposition.

But all along the way, Obama has been faced with nothing but reactionary obstructionism from the Republicans, which apparently doesn't even rate a mention for the very concerned panel. But the tea-baggers, a scattered-brain group wholly without focus for their anger except for a few notions of "isms" being bad and keeping government out of their entitlement programs, masking their abject racism, they're taking over the country! Again, those pesky facts are ignored, like them being a tiny little segment of the population acting as useful tools for corporate interests . Since the Republicans in DC cravenly pander to them, that inflates their importance and influence for the bobbleheads.

Facts...whodathunk something like that would be in the rarest supply from "journalists" in DC? How far we've fallen from the days of Watergate and Woodward & Bernstein.

Transcripts below the fold:

MATTHEWS: Let’s find a template for success. Helene, he put together his Afghanistan policy; he really did listen to every side. And then he seemed to, in a very deliberative way, come to a compromise position, which avoided all the squabbling and back-biting. Why can’t he do that with domestic?

COOPER: I don’t know. I mean, he’s done quite…he’s done relatively well, I think, on the foreign policy, and in particularly now with these arrests of Taliban leaders in Pakistan. You had another two who were arrested last week. On other foreign policy items as well, he’s managed to be able…he’s managed to strike some sort of compromise. Some times, not necessarily to his benefit. When you look at what happened in Copenhagen with the climate change agreement, where he accepted a much more watered down agreement and came out afterwards and said, “Look, I wish we had international government, but the reality is these countries won’t do it. We have to take what we can get.” That was the essence of compromise that’s not something you see him do on the domestic front as much at all and I think that’s sort of the contradiction.

MATTHEWS: Yeah…The big question you hear from the netroots, the people on the left, is why didn’t he come in there last summer? With a very strong position, say “here are the principles I have on health care. Get in line. This is what I’m going to fight for, I’ll go down on this if I have to, but this is what I’m going to fight for.” He never really said what he wanted. And yet, even today as we speak, this weekend, he’s yet to do it.

HARRIS: Well, that’s the fundamental contradiction—so far—of Barack Obama’s presidency he’s yet to reconcile. He says, “I’m not an idealogue” but the fact is he is an ideologically ambitious president, who wants to do big things that you could call progressive or liberal or whatever you want to do. And yet he also wants to be a process-oriented president. Somebody who defines the center and gets people to work together. Those two goals are in tension with one another.

MATTHEWS: How did he think he could move to the left in terms of big healthcare, a big government role on a lot of fronts, financial regulation, without enraging the center right? How did he think he could do that?

IGNATIUS: I don’t think he anticipated the tea party phenomenon, the degree of anger in the country at big government. He ran on a platform of change, you know, speaking to people who were fed up with Washington. He didn’t realize people really meant it; they ARE fed up with Washington. That is part of his problem now. And I think part of what the White House is struggling with is how do we regain that high ground? How do we again be …the… articulate change? Blast Congress where Congress is not acting. Speak for the public’s interest in breaking through the log jam and having real government work. I think that’s where they’d like to be.

MATTHEWS: You know, if he says what he really believes, Savannah, based upon your reporting over there, would it be popular? That’s the key question. Can he be a populist when the country is so anti-government, anti-liberal, anti-spending? The things he wants to do, if he were truly honest, would the public want to hear it?

GUTHRIE: Well, I think that he is a practical president. I think that there’s a lot of tension and frustration; I hear it all the time. Why doesn’t he just get in there and crack skulls? Why can’t he be like LBJ and get Congress in line? Come on, you have the Democratic majorities. He is a consensus builder. This is his core identity. He ceded a lot of the health care reform bill to Congress, and perhaps that’s why some people view it as a left of center product, because he wasn’t in there, dictating the terms. But, this is the reason he ran for president. It goes back, and we all know the story, he feels that he has some ability to bring people together. And they’re very frustrated that he hasn’t been able to execute that.

MATTHEWS: ‘Kay, this is the key question. Helene, you’re at the White House too. Last question here: how can you be a man of …or a leader of the progressive movement, really do things that enlarge the role of government in the health care field, for example. And in financial regulations. And still make the country in this kumbaya-we-all-get-along mood? If you change, it bothers people.

COOPER: I think that is so much at the center of why President Obama is having so many problems right now. There’s this fundamental belief that he can change—that the power of his personality and the power of his oratory can change people and that just doesn’t happen. There’s this over-reliance, I think, at the White House if the President gives a very big speech, if he comes out there , that he can persuade people and he can do it and at the same time you don’t have anything changing at the bottom of the way Washington works.

MATTHEWS: He promised change. And yet when he said what the change was…

COOPER: You just can’t do it on the power of your personality…

MATTHEWS: Well, we’re learning that.

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Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

The Republicans have their corporate masters.

The Democrats have their corporate masters.

They are the same corporate masters.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

conferences??

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/22/o...

Maybe he doesn't want Helen Thomas asking him questions about this:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/per...

Or this:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/22

In regards to the healthcare legislation that Obama/Reid/Pelosi are still busy trying to "craft", I'm trying to figure out exactly what this latest initiative is all about: (This is a "developing" news story..):

'Raises percent of income assessment that individuals pay if they choose not to become insured'...


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

Shadowgm's picture

You left out the media's corporate masters.

Same as the other two.

ricky's picture

the HNIC won't even take questions the crazy old white lady gets from the Fourth International. Put an ice pick in us, we're done.


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

Tweety is just another a$$-s#cking teabagging
bigot.

ronnie dobbs's picture

you mean they're reporting perceptions instead of reality?

wow, how long has that been going on? a couple of weeks?

at this point in the game we should be well past being surprised at commerce trumping consciousness.

the fact that we sit still on the sidelines commenting on the destabilazation of our entire country tells me we are not prepared to do anything about it.

we suck. and i include myself in that assessment.

Handypants's picture
...

"we suck"

Well, some of us blow - so it all evens out.

:)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Milquetoast's picture

audit-prosecute-incarcerate

CnLfan's picture

"Americans are angry. They distrust government. They don't feel like the president and Congress are working for them. Poll after poll shows a majority of voters believe..."

Could our press corpse be any less edifying?

Steve E's picture

have got little left as they watch their messiah wither on the vine. This man is no populist, he is a complete failure.

To follow on this theme, this morning on Morning Joe, Joe said the President needs to find a way to work with the republicans. He never mentioned that the republicans need to find a way to work with the President.

This was in a discussion about how to get anything done in Washington.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

mudshark's picture

The asshat in favor of torture. Slow let him have the first word And the last word on the discussion. nice.


What is your conceptual, continuity?

Mr. Green Jeans's picture

these Sunday show are worse than the WWF.

Yea!


"Let's talk dirty to the animals"

I don't see why Mark Thiessen is showing up everywhere. He was only a speech writer and now everyone is taking his new book seriously. The last time he was on which was a week or so ago, another guest on the show kicked his ass. So they bring him back and give him more time to bullshit.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

..rather than thiessen? NOT MANY exceptin' for KO and maybe Rachel. thiessen is a punk who did his masters' bidding and worked for a punk who did his corporate masters' bidding and plunged the country into this non-sensical chaos and two wars neither of which we should still be fighting exceptin' that obama's corporate masters want him to.

In order to be an "HONEST" politician these days..you can't have a family and you must have a bodyguard otherwise they'd likely be threatened with violence. Why else would these jackasses in the executive, legislative and judicial branches act as if they never knew we really had laws in this country? They think the law should be obeyed by us but not by them. Sorry POP, but I'm pissed off surfjac since they gave the free pass to the f-ing torture lawyers.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Handypants's picture

"There are no facts that penetrate their dense skulls."

Not one bit - and there hasn't been any journalism on the hill in many years.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

mudshark's picture

With the left pissed off at him for not being far enough to the left.
And the right pissed off at him for simply being there. No.
The right is creating myths and memes out of thin air.
They're creating them so fast and so often, they can't remember the ones the made up 6 weeks ago. And they are more than happy to go about mindlessly repeating the bullshit talking points.
And sadly, some on the left are falling for it too. Populist. Nope.

But by not being a populist, he might be freed up to go about running the country. If everyone is pissed off at him, does that mean he's doing something right? And please don't say everyone was pissed off at W.
It took them 7 years to finally get pissed off at him. And even to this day, he has delusional fans who still think he was great president.
With the bar set that low, I would think Obama is still the better option. But, it can get worse. Much worse.


What is your conceptual, continuity?

Handypants's picture
...

I'm pretty sure "O" is STILL coming for our guns, then he will make us marry gay people and he is going to take away all of our freedumb.

Oh yeah, and he is a Kenyan, socialist, fascist, Maxist, Leninist, communist, and he hates America.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Rahm is only using his puppet Ayres to create this Kool Aid vapor
to mask the eleven dimensional chees moves on behalf of the corporate/Zionist maniuplation of the tin foil market. Obama is
really not there or will be traded for draft choices before the roster deadline.

How could you leave this out. Remember the days of Woodstock
and LSD?


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

Steve E's picture

he is a fuck-up.

Tax the Rich's picture

Corporate fascist republicans, who work for the corporate fascist republican elites, spewing corporate fascist republican bullshit and propaganda.

I just can't believe it?


Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.

It is a sky of a different color...

Maybe liquid sky.

After all, the liberal agenda has been partially fullfilld already:

1. Universal health care
2. Campaign contribution reform
3. Better rights for the citizenry
4. Civil rights for all - heck even gay marriage is constitutionally protected!
5. Gitmo closed
6. Silly war machine dismantled..
...

oh wait, I was dreaming. Better get another coffee.

Handypants's picture
...

They can't look up to see the color because the sky is falling. . .


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Steve E's picture

don't look back only look forward.

freequark's picture

Chris Matthews is obviously still living in the 80s, just like Bill Clinton and most other Democrats born in the 40s. In their world, the Democrats will always need to become more like Reagan. That is the narrative of their political life, and they are never going to move away from it.

That is the forward thinking we need.


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

loved him. That's how he got elected FOUR TIMES.

freequark's picture

LBJ and FDR dealt with civil rights and WW2, respectively. Obama needs to deal with the big problems we have now - namely, corporate corruption and environmental degradation.

..corporate corruption as w was. No wait, I'm sure he is.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Did Chris make mention of his recent appearance as a contestant on Jeopardy? I doubt he ever will since he came away looking like the worse contestant ever. He was pathetically unable to match the other two people on the show. There were times when I almost felt sorry for him because he looked so bad.

If he had done well, I'm pretty sure he would have crowed about it on at least one of his shows.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

ricky's picture

the Gong Show. He could have performed his leg shake in a Flight Suit.


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

Marnie's picture

I though Obama was a socialist, terrorist, muslumist, communist, stalinaist, marksist, nazist, death panalist, baby killing, grandmaw killing, N..er., progressive, radical left wing lunitcic fringer, first and second Amendment denier.

How can he be a populist? Or do they mean arrogant, uppity populist. That might work for them.

I..I...I...can't...can't...can't...hear...hear...hear...any...
any...any...facts....facts....facts....over....over....over...
the...the...the...echo...echo...echo..


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

reluctant leader's picture

The "country" is further left than Congress is. Congress and the MSM push a big business agenda, which the majority of Americans oppose.

We want change, we want progress, but let's face it, the top 1% who call the shots like things the way they are. They've made a killing over the past 10 or 15 years, and I can include Congress and the Executive Branch in that. The money is just too plentiful and the temptation too great.

The arguement from the clowns like Matthews is never framed correctly. It's not about Dems vs Republicans or Liberals vs Conservatives, it's all about the way money influences votes. And when money's involved, Congress votes with it, not against it.

To acknowledge the effects of money on legislation, the MSM would have to admit it's role, and this is too much honesty for them to bear.

CnLfan's picture

I have never seen anyone articulate the nature of this particular problem so well.

Rascalcat's picture

on his daily show to Rachael M. Look for him to even more bitterly bash liberals. He is an out of touch beltway tool. I stopped watching him several years ago.

project's picture

Like Driftglass said republicans have never grown up. They have the morals and intelligence of children. They are not capable of making decisions for others. Hell they are not capable of making decisions for themselves.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness and it is killing America!

kaypicts's picture

But I think I have finally figured out why the anti-government message gets repeated and drummed into the TV watching, AM radio listening public. The unsaid message is this: If you can't trust the government, then you can trust corporate media/free market/capitalism to set the world straight. Trust us.


'Men do not go to the gallows and put their heads in a noose if they can avoid it.' - Mark Twain

to run the world is like trusting John Wayne Gacey to run your daycare center.

Jack Canuckski's picture

I heard an interesting and rather surprising statistic yesterday.
I don't know which poll came up with this, but if true, someone should have pointed it out to Tweety.
Number of Americans that identify themselves as "Tea Partiers" = 11%
Number of Americans that identify themselves as "Socialists" = 20%.

CnLfan's picture

.

Tweety slipping further and further into obscurity.


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

RabbitDad's picture

I mean, I know Reagan said something about drowning it in a bathtub, and that the Teabaggers are "suddenly" anti-government...

But I don't think AMERICA is, even if cable news keeps saying that.

CFAmick's picture

populist, then? Or Ron Paul?

Americans aren't "anti-government." They either oppose specific policies, like a war in Iraq, or they oppose fantasy policies, like death panels.

"'I don't want government-run health care. I don't want socialized medicine. And don't touch my Medicare.'"


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

St. Paul Scout's picture

The country IS NOT anti Government. Most people will say we need more of it to counter ballance the outright raping of society by the wealthiest people in the country.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

While Clenis was cutting back on the size of the White House staff, grinch was increasing the size of his office.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Kreskin's picture

Creating their own reality as usual , propagating another right wing myth , having nothing to do with the facts , truth and the real world , standard procedure .

surfjac's picture

..tool? If it does, then YES, he is a Populist.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

researcher's picture

Obama is a very smart guy but a very weak leader.

When the going gets tough he gives a speech.

Speeches won’t change American policy.

This country is on a fast track to self-destruction.

All the speeches in the world wont change that.

The universe knows best.

What if a country could continue to flourish with its selfish mode of being in the world?

Mega profits off the sick and needy, millions with no health insurance, hundreds of thousands filing bankruptcy due to medical costs, congress now supreme court controlled by corp America, banks gamble on others money then need bailed out, tax breaks for the rich, print money by the trillions, borrow money by the hundreds of billions.

And then we have our wars for profits where we create suffering all over the world and our 720 military bases around the world. This is imperialism defined and Americans don’t have a clue they are imperialists. Americans are so naïve they think they are the good guys in the world even after killing one million men women and children in Vietnam in that illegal war for corp profits.

The list is long. This is a country that has seen its day in the sun and wealth can be as harsh of a teacher as poverty.

Capitalism must self-destruct it is based on greed, selfishness and survival of the fittest would you really want to live in universe where capitalism did not self-destruct? Capitalism will create a nation of haves and almost all have nots. It is happening right before our eyes on a daily basis and all Americans can do is blame but are in love with the capitalist system.

For a so-called Christian nation we know little about what we sow we reap. it does not even phase the repubs that 30 million Americans have no health insurance. Plus they even want to torture people can you not see this is a country that has become warped in the mind.

Thank the universe this country is self destructing what would the universe be like if we did not self-destruct?

The Retardicans know no facts. The populace is not against government Chris. your pals would just have you believe otherwise.

Chris is on this show because he's a sort of Charlie Brown when it comes to his Retardican cast members.

It's great when he snaps out of it though, and hangs one of the Tardicans with his own rope.

He still thinks the Retardicans are politicians (or something) though... it's just weird.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

David762's picture

It is hard for me to believe that Chris Matthews is a drool-slobbering imbecile who cannot dress himself or wipe his own backside, so there must be a different reason for spewing this idiotic line of reasoning -- like he is a Corporatist propaganda machine tool, a bought-and-paid-for sycophantic shill. (Editor: Apologies to all drool-slobbering imbeciles among the C&L readership and beyond.)

First of all, Obama is decidedly NOT a Populist -- he is a Neo-Liberal Corporatist, as is much of his staff.

Secondly, I would wager that the vast majority of the American people are to the "left" of both the MSM and many/most of our politicians, putting a lie to the meme that the populace is RW.

A far more rational explanation for the anger of Populists (both RW Tea-Baggers and LW Progressives) against the politicians in Washington DC has to do with the majority of these incumbent politicians, the USA's privileged (royalty) class, has to do with their Corporatist State alignment, to the detriment of the actual Main Street USA voters and the long-term prosperity of the nation as a whole.

Chris dares not voice such an explanation in the MSM if he expects to continue to be gainfully employed, hence my argument that he is a liar. It is time, way past time, to break up the stranglehold on MSM that the Corporatist State has, as well as restoring the rule of law, and a return to national sanity.


"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy

Biff Limbaugh's picture

Chris Matthews has always been the wrong side of everything.

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