Karl Rove Says Rural Pennsylvanians Really DO Cling To Guns and Religion
By Nicole Belle Thursday Oct 23, 2008 3:15pmIn a classic case of IOKIYAR, Newshounds catches Karl Rove echoing the same meme on Hannity & Colmes for which Sean Hannity was only to happy to use to castigate Barack Obama last summer.
In his “just wondering” voice [..], Hannity asked, “I'm trying to understand, if John Murtha's referring to people in Pennsylvania as racists and as rednecks, and we know what Barack Obama said about bitter Americans clinging to their guns and religion with antipathy towards those that aren't like him. He was talking about the people in the state of Pennsylvania. I'm trying to understand, why would anybody in Pennsylvania vote for him when he said that in a, you know, in a real moment, that he didn't think he was being recorded?”[..]
“Well, he's got a problem,” Rove replied. “[..]James Carville once famously referred to Pennsylvania as Pittsburgh on the west, Philadelphia on the east and Alabama in between. I think that was his way of sort of mimicking what John Murtha said. But it's a conservative part of the state. And then if you take the far southwestern corner, over there near Pittsburgh and the suburbs, that's coal country and that's the kind of people who really do cling to their guns and their faith.”
Um, huh? Not that I disagree with the assessment, but wasn't this the most horrible thing that Obama could have said -- a campaign killer, if you will -- this past spring? Wasn't that the statement that you said was elitist and disrespectful to rural voters?
Of course, Hannity is too delusional to note the hypocrisy, so thank goodness for Alan Colmes for calling Rove on the double standard:
Colmes said with good-natured mocking, “Hey, Karl, you didn't just say people cling to their guns and faith? I don't believe you just said that. You didn't say what Obama said.”
Rove smiled but he began stammering. “No, no. I'm just... I'm quoting Obama. In quotes.” Rove made quotation marks in the air.
Colmes said, “I didn't see the hand quote thing.”
No one did, Alan. They weren't there. It was just that big, lying, ought-to-be-in-jail hack politico pulling his usual crap.
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yes but is they larning!
I'm sure the Republicans are counting on this too.
Really, Rove is pretty calculated; I'm sure he knew what he was saying, just trying to remind everyone where they heard this before. Rake up a little muck right here at the end of the campaign.
and he didn't say it to remind us what we heard. He was sincere as the asswipe can be. It was in his body language when he said it and when he got caught.
The campaign needs to put this out in a directed ad to the gun-clingers.
in exhibiting his profound knowledge of the state that he forgot what he was revealing. Lol.
Tonight on CBS News, Couric plugged an upcoming segment promising to examine the presidential candidates positions on what she called "one of the most serious threats to this country, Islamic extremism."
My immediate reaction:
NO, Katie. "Islamic extremism" IS NOT "one of the most serious threats to this country." Statistically, by your own logic, such "serious threats" should include, as equally dangerous, the likelihood of allergic reactions to peanuts, and auto accidents involving deer on American roadways [1]. A much bigger threat -- indeed, a genuine "existential threat" -- is posed by deceitfully alarmist rhetoric peddled-for-profit by the corporate media, power hungry politicians, and the all-consuming National (in-)Security Industry.
Now I'm searching in vain to rent a billboard, as I always want to do when this bogeyman gets trotted out. As usual, I'll just have to settle for breaking things instead. Gah!
[1] A False Sense of Insecurity, John Mueller, Ohio State University - Department of Political Science, Regulation, Vol. 27, No. 3, pp. 42-46, Fall 2004 PDF
See also:
Terrorphobia: Our False Sense of Insecurity, by John Mueller
http://www.the-american-interest.com/ai2/arti...
Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them, by John Mueller. (more)
The real problem is not terrorism, but the manipulative, lying media propaganda spreaders like Couric that think that objectivity and integrity are so inconvenient. Why be a force for the truth when she can take her corporate master's cash and be a well off, lying syncophant? Guess it's easier to be comfortable than to confront reality. What a disgusting sell out. Just as bad was the AP "poll" yesterday that showed the presidential race as a dead heat---the only one that did so. What a flagrant piece of lying propaganda. Pravda was nothing compared to these slimebags.
if rove would put some of that
crap he spews out of his mouth
on top of his head, maybe the
warmth would raise his low IQ.
I lived in northwestern PA from 1976-1981. We got, in public school, the first day of doe season and the first day of buck season off as school holidays. Don't get me started about fundamentalist religion.
Railroad people. The Pensy freight trains ran practically through their back yard, so close that my cousins could hit the cars with tin cans as they whizzed by. Hardcore party people. Union members. Democrats through and through. And still like that today. Rove is fighting a losing game trying to attach his Texas values to those kind of Pennsylvanians.
Mr.Murtha told the truth and gets attacked for it.
"WASHINGTON — The Bush administration will announce in mid-November, after the presidential election, that it intends to establish the first U.S. diplomatic presence in Iran since the 1979-81 hostage crisis, according to senior Bush administration officials."
Bad news for the gop warmongers.
Not only does Rove have his own math but he's got his own grammar too. Both about equally wrong.
Sure there may be some who cling, but remember, PA went blue in 2004. Plus thousands of new Democrats and Independants have been registered.
I couldn't be happier to see Rove squirm in his fat ass. He gets to watch as vaunted republican party goes to pieces in front of his eyes and the only people that he has to blame are himself and his meal ticket Bush. His plan for one party rule has gone to shit and the only person that he has to blame looks at him in the mirror every day. Suck on it Rove you anti american prick.
Does Duke Rove know that Scott McClellan has endorsed Obama? Would I be wrong in assuming that the Austin gang (from Congress Ave. between 5th & 14th) that couldn't shoot straight might have something to be concerned about after January 20th?
Republicans just can't resist showing their true nature:
Clerk left letters calling Obama ``black Hitler''
Associated Press
4:24 PM CDT, October 23, 2008
FRANKLIN, Ind. - A Republican county election clerk distributed copies of an apparent chain letter referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama as a "young, black Adolf Hitler" to two employees but later told police she intended it to be a joke.
Aren't Conservatives so cute with their sense of humor? The Republican party resembles the NAZI party more and more with each passing day. What rational person can deny it?
The thing is, he's right. I'm from rural SW PA, in fact, I'm from Murtha's home district. And unless things have changed in the 8 yrs since I moved away from there, it is quite racist. It's a pit of ignorance and intolerance.
...the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken (1880-1956)
he should not be allowed to earn a living
he should be in a jail cell with oj
Rove replied. "And then if you take the far southwestern corner, over there near Pittsburgh and the suburbs, that's coal country and that's the kind of people who really do cling to their guns and their faith.”
I live 5 miles from rural Northeast PA which is also "coal country", and it's the same there.
No shit, Karl. Tell us something we don't already know. John Murtha knows his constituency, and while I wish he hadn't mentioned it right at this time, he was correct
I know a lot of N.E. Pennsylvania hunters who are also union coal miners and railroad men and policemen and civil servants. They know what Reagan and Bush and Bush 2 did to them. And they're voting for Obama.
My father was retired Pennslvania Railroad and he DESPISED Ronald Reagan.
Well hey, it sounds perfectly sensible when Karl Rove says it.
It's only outrageous when a socialist commie-type terrorist that Karl Rove disagrees with says it.
It is interesting that a brave California woman tried to handcuff the vicious crook and traitor, Rove, and subject him to a Citizen's arrest while on stage with former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell.
As Vincent Bugliosi has commented- the traitorous war criminals of Bushco should be relentlessly hounded for their enormous crimes long after their reign of terror is over. For the deaths of hundreds of thousands, for lying to the nation, for subverting the rule of law repeatedly, for spying on Americans, for shredding the Constitution, for aiding and abetting corporate and other criminals, for virtually destroying human civilization in 8 short years- these mass murderers must not be allowed a moment of peace or tranquility- they must instead be subjected to absolute hell for their crimes by decent human beings and citizens. It is a sacred duty.
Senator Mitchell said it best- "I feel like I am Dorothy in the land of Oz listening to you complain about negative campaigns."
Feh. Butterbutt was still allowed to get away with one. Shuster or Matthews (of late) would have handed him his lungs.
Man up, Colmes!
How is that scussy criminal NOT in a prison cell yet? How?
My family and my wife's are still back there, and the *do* cling to religion and guns. But a lot of them are from union families and are Democrats, too! I'm more surprised about Ohio, where I also lived and where I see Obama is up by ... double digits???
Colmes is a wimp. He is so owned by Hannity. I'm sick of the right wing nutjob and his sorry sidekick. I only see clips online, but even if I had cable I couldn't stand to watch them. I wish everyone would boycott this show, take their ratings down and be done with this kind of BS already. We have enough hate in the world.
I hardly ever watch H&C. Hannity is such a vile, hateful, caustic figure.
Colmes sometimes has something good to say, but he's weak. I wish it were the Hannity and Beckel show. Bob Beckel would be a good balance to that jerk Insanity.
What an asshat. Listen to the complete video. NO QUESTION...HE was saying they cling to their guns and Bibles. NO REFERENCE to Obama there at all.
What a lying sack of human waste.
...I keep hoping that lady with the handcuffs will appear on the set and cuff the bastard!!! I still can't believe that guy hasn't been perp-walked into the Capitol... when does the Congress go back in to session??
Wow... two of the people I HATE the MOST... in the SAME FRAME...
It hurts my mind!!
I've got my guns ready for the riots.
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