House Leadership Dumps 'Deem and Pass', Will Take Separate Votes
Because we're getting so much of this news as it breaks, it's hard to get all the context. But it sure sounds like they're only pursuing another way to pass the bill in response to the Republicans' hypocritical attacks - which only gives credence to said attacks:
House leaders have decided to take a separate vote on the Senate health-care bill, rejecting an earlier, much-criticized strategy that would have permitted them to "deem" the unpopular measure passed without an explicit vote.
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said Saturday that the House would take three votes Sunday: first, on a resolution that will set the terms of debate; second, on a package of amendments to the Senate bill that have been demanded by House members; and third, on the Senate bill itself.
Van Hollen, who has been working on the issue with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), said House leaders concluded that that order -- approving the amendments before approving the Senate bill -- makes clear that the House intends to modify the Senate bill and not approve the Senate bill itself.
"Our objective all along was to make it clear that the House is amending the Senate bill, and we found another way of accomplishing that," Van Hollen said in an interview.
This feels like Christmas eve when I was a little kid. Are we going to get what we asked Santa for or not? I hope to hell they have the votes and everyone gets the pony they so badly need.
There was a man on c-span this morning as a guest on Washington Journal. I forgot to get his name but he was a Democrat and he explained the contents of this bill so clearly and reasonably. He admitted it is far from perfect but it sure opens some healthcare doors for a lot of people who have had them shut far too long.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
deserved but I think it was a diversionary tactic..for the repubs.... took them totally off course and exposed the fact that they had used it themselves...Which the Dems can use later...
were not entirely without merit. Turley didn't think deem and pass was a good idea and I found his arguments persuasive. If they don't need it to get the job done it is probably better to do without.
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I agree! If they think they can pull it off this way, then that's what they should do. Of course no matter what they do the republicans will cry foul from now until Nov.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...it's ammunition in the future when Republicans try to do it again. The GOP has been so vocal about this that it will end up biting them in the ass.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
although they often plumb the depths of shamelessness as if the Republican ship of fools was named Trieste there has to be some limits to their hypocrisy.
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Let me know when those limits begin to show. :)
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has a seabed. Somewhere.
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If you turn on c-span right now, there is a Dem. meeting and Reid just said he has a significant majority ready to pass the bill. They all seem very happy so perhaps they know something we don't know yet.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Serious political moves by Pelosi. To be honest, I'm impressed.
She has to keep mixing it up to keep the GOp'rs guessing.
Once they find their footing , she mixes it up again.
Actually, this is very smart politics.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
one has to respect Pelosi's political acuity. They keep setting up process targets for the Republicans to rail away against and it's always parliamentary strategies the Republicans themselves have used. The Republicans expose their hypocrisy and and they snatch away the target. Notice that no one is talking about reconciliation anymore?
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The provision that rates would be regulated is not in final House bill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/fina...
Any surprised?
So what we have is a mandate that everyone must the limited offerings from the same for profit companies not subject to competition while no one will reduce costs. What a fine solution!
The insurance company give away gets sweeter because no one has a choice. For those with insurance the premiums will rise and they cannot chose not to participate and 30 million more are now required by law to buy the garbage peddled by the problem makers.
What a joke and a pig in a poke.
is that the parliamentarian has agreed to let them take the vote on the reconciliation amendments first, then the Senate bill. It was my understanding that a big part of the "deem and pass" even coming up was that they did not want to pass the Senate bill first and be left hanging. So it may have less to do with the Republicans' attacks than you suggest.
The President is speaking and he's talking about the "advice" the repuclicans have been giving dems about this bill and how terrible it will be for the dems if it passes. Maybe they are so concerned and they want Pelosi and Reid and all dems to keep their seats by not passing the bill.
That's been my contention for some time now. If passing the bill will be so awful for the dems it would seem to me the repubs would want it to pass, unless as the President said, they are concerned and don't want the dems to lose any seats.
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both have been saying this for weeks.
Well, it was pretty plain to see. Like the President said, are the repubs now concerned about the successful future of the Democratic party? I don't think so.
If this passes tomorrow, Ron, I'm gonna buy you a drink and if you don't drink, I'm gonna bake you a cake. :)
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but aa cake would be easier to ship.
hopefully they'll dump deem and pass and show some courage for once. i personally don't care if the bill fails or if the Dems go down in a blaze of humiliation because i don't believe this bill is a step in the right direction -- just another bailout for the insurance industry. in any case, i'll be equally glad to see the Repubs cry like babies when the bill passes because in actuality it looks like it was drafted by their own members. vote write-in!
You don't believe that once this bill is signed and children with pre-existing conditions can no longer be dumped from their parents' insurance plan that it would be worth it? That alone is a big deal if you are a parent with a sick child. This is just one of the benefits, but if you want things to continue forever they way they are now, then I understand your point of view.
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can you people call it a bailout when they haave been making record profits. With this bill a larger percntage of their income has to go for healthcare than what goes to CEOs.
bailout when they go belly up after the exec's spend all the company's money buying all their mansions and yachts. The IRS will be their enforcer.
Can't believe people can't see this.
They wouldn't need a bailout unless they did go belly up.
company's worthless paper investments these days can quickly be converted to cash.
Uh huh right sure they can. Just like AIG had so much cash on hand to get through the bubble burst of 08.
back to ignore.
You going to run off and hide? I'm trying to tell you something you ought to know for your own well being!
When the sh*t hit's the fan don't say I didn't try to warn you!
an even more predatory wealth extraction system masquerading as national health care then it was.
Countdown to a very right wing health
careinsurance welfare program.To the right of what Richard Nixon proposed in 1971.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
money who have other options for health care.
...in 1971. Hell, I'll bet there were a lot more people in this country who called themselves socialists back in '71 compared to today. There were more Rockefeller Republicans. There were definitely more unionists in '71.
BTW, what happened to that bit of legislation? Did it become law?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
a global state of the NWO.
Anyone who can prove otherwise please be my guest!
It's logically impossible.
You might as well ask someone to disprove the existence of God.
It's up to you to prove your point.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
is some river catching on fire like the Cuyahoga river did back in the 70's. People probably wouldn't even "get it" these days.
...that you can't prove it.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
for despair and inaction than pitiless untouchable gods. In a pinch secret cabals will serve nicely to replace gods.
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Okay Alice, I'll assume that you are correct about it being to the right of what Nixon wanted. You have seen the battle that has been waged to pass something that is right of Nixon, had it been far left of Nixon do you think it would have had a chance in hell of passing at all?
People can rant and rave about this bill but it does have some good things in it and with time perhaps more will be added. Like the President just said, is it perfect? No. Are there things we all wish were in it? Yes. But it is a change and the first major one in a very long time. Every big piece of legislation has to begin somewhere and hopefully this one will begin tomorrow.
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all these "good things" in it? When the Insurance Company's play even harder ball "because we can" if this crap is passed?
When they say, tell you for example, "your drinking is the reason we won't cover this problem. The doctors said it likely contributed to your illness."
... as of a couple of weeks ago there were 290 bills stalled in the Senate, some without any obvious reason requiring a 60% vote.
Exercise to Nuclear Option and clean out the Senate.
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
If there truly was a left-wing-progressive media that would be possible. However since the right seemingly controls the media, despite their rhetoric, I don't see this happening. Until the media starts actually reporting the news instead of parrotting right-wing talking points I don't see this happening.
Ever since our Congress, aka our supposed representatives, took supposedly legal bribes from big money special interests, Democracy no longer exists in our once great country. "Democracy" is now bought and paid for by big money and to hell with the little guy that can't afford the rent or mortgage to say nothing of attempting to bribe a "representative" to do the right thing for the most, not the most money! But What Could I Possibly Know?
Peace
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All week long, while Pelosi was withholding the substance of the reconciliation amendments, the republicans have been apoplectic over Deem and Pass instead of substance. They never had any intention of using it, it was just a smokescreen that allowed them to introduce the amendments after a good CBO report
Don't these Dems get it? The Repugnants will never vote for this and the Repugnants will never vote for a Dem. Voting against this bill over fear of repug fury will not get you re-elected.
Some Dems don't want to hear this but "I" will NEVER vote for a Repug now, not ever over this. And I will sit out any elections for the rest of my life if Dems don't have the courage to vote for this. I have never failed to vote in a election. To not vote is to vote for the winner, even if you don't like them. Who is to like?
The Apostate Repugs took over the Democratic party and changed it so they control everything.
1930's Germany and Russia all over again. In the USA.
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