MoveOn Member's Head Stomped By Violent Cowards At Rand Paul Debate
I hope the cops arrest this guy. What is it about even the mildest opposition that sends right wingers over the edge?
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB Fox 41) -- Outside the Conway-Paul debate, a Rand Paul supporter pulled the woman's blonde wig off and stomped on her head. She was representing the liberal organization MoveOn.org and claimed to be presenting Paul with an award from RepubliCorp. That's a group created by MoveOn.org that focuses on what it calls the merger between corporate America and the Republican Party.
"I'm here to present Rand Paul with the 'Employee of the Month' award, however his supporters were not very nice to me and my message which is same as everyone else. I got my head stepped on and I have a bit of a headache," said Lauren Valle, MoveOn.org.
The woman denied police were involved, but right afterwards officers pulled her aside to question her about the incident.
Dave N.: Compare this incident of actual thuggery to the wingnuts' favorite example of supposed "union thuggery," the fake victimhood of wingnut Kenneth Gladney. (The folks at SEIU have a complete rundown of just how deeply phony that entire incident really was.) It also brings to mind certain other history lessons.
But you can't say you weren't warned.
at an Eric Cantor "public" event:
This video was taken by the son of the man being subdued. He took it with his cellphone. This man was asked to leave the Solid Grounds Coffeehouse in Louisa, Virginia, at a public event for Eric Cantor. The man was sitting at a table waiting for Cantor to arrive. Then police asked him to leave and, when they got him outside, they arrested him, after an excessive amount of force, as you can see in the video. They came back and arrested the person who videotaped the incident, even though he was on a public sidewalk. They did not arrest, but gave a citation to, a woman with a small child.
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-- and only getting markedly worse as a police state.
Of course, Eric Cantor plays the role of Republican "victimhood" so well, not unlike his being made a "target" of a "lone gunman" rifle shot at his suburban Richmond campaign headquarters -- it's all good, a conservative Jew and goose-stepping Reich-wing Republican all rolled into one neat package. No doubt Cantor will go far in the coming New World Order ...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
The right continually accuses liberals and progressives as being intimidating and violent.
I believe that it is long past time that we give them what they expect.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I'd say that the lack of such action defines the Dems quite well.
Although, to be honest, I'm surprise someone hasn't snapped by now.
Violence is never the answer. But, enough is enough.
I have to say, that I'm quite proud that no violence has come from the left recently. Or, that the violence from the right far exceeds anything coming from the left.
Then there's the folks who say vote GOp. Yeah, right.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
There comes a point where attempting to be reasonable is taken for cowardice.
It's time to start breakin' heads.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
But, we all know that's not the case.
I understand how you feel. I'm just as frustrated and pissed off as you. But, resorting to violence is not the smart play. Exposing them for their antics is. Repeatedly. Until the public at large gets it.
Of course self defense is always an option. But only when personally physically threatened.
Then, lettem have it. As for the right wingnuts
Who actually enjoy this shit. Jail. But, there are many who agree with this shit, who aren't themselves violent. They just sanction this shit. For some reason, I'm thinking of the recount in 2000 in Florida. That gang that was trying to storm the recount office. They sure have a pattern of violence, and aggressive behavior.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
That gang was led by Congressman John Sweeney, or Congressman Kickass as he was lovingly referred to as by GWB. Sweeney lost to Kirsten Gillibrand when it became apparent that he was a violent drunk who liked to slap around the missus. His son is a violent little thug too. Runs in families, I guess.
L and P, we must never lower ourselves to the level of these people. That would be giving in to them and discarding what we believe in and stand for. I agree with mudshark, expose them and let the sunlight show them for what they really are.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
These assholes took loaded weapons to town hall meetings under the precept of "Constitutional rights".
Where do you draw the line, POP? "Oh, it's ok...they didn't kill anyone."?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
They took the guns but they didn't fire them and no one was hurt. That's just the facts. I draw the line at not doing something stupid. Something that would put me in jail for a really long time. Jail is not a place I ever want to be. I would rather die being honorable than die in a jail for being stupid.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
They took the guns but they didn't fire them and no one was hurt.
Keep sliding down that slippery slope. Next, warning shots will be acceptable.
Before you know it, temporary internment for not "looking right"...and then...
As for preferring to be "to die being honorable than die in a jail for being stupid"
...yes...that'll look nice on a headstone.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Do as you please. It's your life and you are responsible for your actions.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I agree. It's not worth ruining your life over. The things we do in moments of anger we often live to regret (and possibly in jail).
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Patricia, although this was directed at another poster, while there should be no cause to act as the offense, in my opinion, acting defensively, as aggressively as possible would be my policy --- while I respect a true pacifist, I do not happen to be one.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Even in the old west, they made folks check their guns at town meetings, churches and saloons.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Look for, but don't count upon, the sweetest human nature from your fellow man. Be prepared. Keep your eyes averted, but remain alert. And as much as possible, keep your teeth together. There may well come a time, a "time for every season under heaven".
< http://www.liberalswithguns.com/ >
< http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/ >
And this is what a pile of cash, and a $200 USD BATF "Full Auto" Stamp could net you ...
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcE0yNwcg10&fe... >
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
Thank you.
As said, not all on the left are across-the-board pacifists. The Mahatma does not live in this house, however much I may admire Gandhiji --- no offensive maneuvers, but aggressive self-defense...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
As my father used to say..."You don't start it...but make sure you finish it."
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
keep your popcorn cup out of your lap when you go to the movies on lection day.
TFR
Other than maybe to help them with the spelling on their signs.
The Tea Party-types feed off what they perceive as threats. Stupid signs with Hitler and using words like "fascism" and touting the Second Ammendment. Giving them violence would just feed them more and give them a reason to go "See! We told you!" Avoid them and go to the polls. Use your time to get others to go to the polls, not to a stupid gang fight.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
And yet, the definition of classical fascism includes the marriage of corporations with the state... go figure.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
people will be injured and killed. We can look back to the civil rights and anti-war movements and just add that there is much more intolerance and violence from the Right now. Just a fact, people will die, and those people will be only of the Left.
Start by giving them a clear vote for the Democrats. This election is about the republicans stomping on all of us after November if we let them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Fox showed this video a bit ago and the two hosts just sort of laughed and said, It's getting crazy out there.
Can you imagine if the victim had been a tea party person? The Fox folks would have done an hour on how awful it was.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
They would have run with that for weeks.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Oh my, POP can you imagine Beck's reaction?
Beck would be crying for a week and warning the communist take over had happen at that event. Then somehow he would tie it go the President and his communist socialist progressive marxist friends. Then he would toss in the president's grandparents.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Is that before or after he cleans up after shitting himself?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
The Joe Miller goons handcuffing a reporter, the Eric Cantor event incident, and now this. The Paul supporter saw the demonstrator was a woman and STILL stomped her head. Then police arrive and question HER, not the stomper? We appear to be still in the thrall of fascists. If I were Ms. Valle, I would get myself a good lawyer and sue the stomper in civil court. The police are useless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYPkwbNrisg
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
There was visible arm movement. Don't they get, like, a ten yard penalty for that?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
That's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlO_tdAPGa8
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Police want to question the women. Isn't that the same phrase they use when they talk about a person of interest in a criminal investigation? Did she injure that poor Paul supporter's foot?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Three or four of them manhandling a petite woman to the ground and stomping on her HEAD?
Now THAT takes some well-bred Kentucky gentlemen!
I suppose their battered wives will get a reprieve for a night or two.........low class cowards!
'Talk to the hand'
Are you kidding, they were just warming up for the beatfest back home.
Onion or chocolate?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc1am3KyYgA
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Bullies beating up a woman..........low class cowards!
'Talk to the hand'
Who's the bigger coward the one that stomped on her head or the ass who was holding her down? He could had shattered her skull. This is the "movement" that is "taking over" America? If you asked me I would rather the Beckian Scarey Socialists took over than the Jackbooted Thugs of the Tea Party (bowel) Movement.
I'll bet their shirts were brown...
At what point is enough enough, right wing? Or do we wait for the equivalent of Kristallnacht?!
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Sit quiet and stop complaining while someone puts their size ten into your head.
That seems to be the general consensus in here. That attitude only gets you another beating.
My view, and it's been proven for decades when dealing with bullies. If you beat the shit out of 20 of them this week, you'll only have to beat the shit out of 10 of them next week.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Not all of us on the left are across-the-board pacifists --- this ol' left-libertarian will act in self-defense, should the need arise, but the agressor will not be met fist-for-fist... 'nuff said.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
and go lead by example. No one here is stopping is you. Let us know when there is a video and how such actions advanced 'progressive' ideals and candidates.
So, by your philosophy, MLK was wrong and the Black Panthers right?
More and more events like this are exposing the Tea Party for what it is. Racism. Violence. Act don't think. Don't think, period. Instead of violence, I advocate not going within 10 miles of one of their gatherings. Save your gas money to go friggin' vote. I agree you can't reason with these people, but fighting them just brings one down (as someone else has already pointed out) to their level and accomplishes absolutely nothing. You beat up someone. Big deal. Maybe they go away or maybe they go home and take it out on someone else. Either way, both of you can still only vote once.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
the Black Panthers were right, as was MLK. More right than their opposition by a landslide. 2pac's background were Black Panthers. Don't be ignorant.
November 9 is approaching. Why are we ignoring these sign of Republican and Tea Party characteristics
Not all of us are ignoring them, my friend --- unfortunately, too many of the "Conservative Republicans" are, or are quietly cheering them on.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQal-lJrSLI
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I guess the cops want to ask the lady why she was trying to get to Paul. If she meant him no harm then they should talk to the guys who were roughing her up so strongly. This was after all a woman and not a big person. If they wanted to stop her all they had to do was hold her until police got there. It's one thing to stop someone but a different thing to actually physically harm them. I hope those men responsible are charged with assault and battery. Seems to me if she sued them it would be a piece of cake win for her. MoveOn must have lawyers, bring them on.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I doubt Squeaky Fromme on the face appeared that threatening, either. Heck, she was even dressed as a nun when she pointed that gun at Ford. If the woman was rushing at Paul, you can't expect his security to initially treat her with kid gloves. But, we don't really know what happened and exactly what the situation was. But, yes, when she was on the ground there was no need for the extra violence. You even see a hand come out from the left motioning to let-up, and the the thug in the red that put his foot on her then backs off.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
I'm not defending these guys, but one, the video posted is shortened. I watched it on Huffington, and just being objective, this person just charges out of the crowd toward Rand Paul. No, she didn't deserve her shoulder (doesn't look like her head) to be stomped on, but for all they knew it could have been some kind of crazed assassin. Again, I'm just saying this completely objectively. You may now tear me to pieces. Have at it.
Look again.
When you stomp and empty soda can, which part of your foot do you use? Not the ball of your foot, not the instep, but the heel of your foot, right?
Watch the second time the guy's foot comes down. Pause the video at 00:43 (you know you have the right frame when you see most of a hand appear in the upper right hand corner). Now look where the stomper's heel is - it's right on or behind the girls ear. This ass meant to do damage.
As for your crazed assassin theory - yeah, it's possible. But once those guys have her on the ground - all 100+ lbs of her (she looks a good half a head shorter than the interviewer) she curls up in the fetal position and stops struggling. She wasn't moving for 4 or 5 seconds, and that's when our brave hero drives her head into the curb. It's reminiscent of those police brutality videos you see when the cops have a suspect down, completely subdued, and then one of them decides its time for a lesson.
the video I can't tell if he meant to stomp on her head or not. He puts his foot on her shoulder and steps/kicks down, his foot comes off the shoulder and onto her head. After which he puts it briefly back on her shoulder. I can't tell if it was intentional or accidental.
Either way I don't feel it was necessary. It seems she was restrained and not resisting prior to that.
But I do believe from watching the video that they thought she was a danger, not just a protester. As soon as she starts busting through and they go to grab her they are calling for the police. What do you think would happen to me or anyone that tried busting through a crowd like that to get to Obama?
ETA and it seems there was violence on both sides at the event. From Huffpo
The paper also reported that a second fight broke out before the debate, with a Conway supporter stepping on the foot of a female Paul supporter. The Paul supporter, who recently had foot surgery, refused medical treatment but filed an assault report.
Yeah, that lady obviously conducted a vicious attack on that poor teabagger's foot with her head.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I was referring to this
"The second occurred after a Conway supporter stepped on the foot of a female Rand supporter, who recently had foot surgery, according to police.
The woman was wearing a surgical boot, but after the injury, her incision was cut open. Police say she refused medical treatment and also filed an assault report."
http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/political/2-f...
first, two wrongs don't make a right
second, the report about the foot being stepped on could have just been an accident. feet get stepped on sometimes. heads, not so much. so, unless it can be proved that the bum-footed lady's foot was intentionally stepped on this smacks of false equivalency. if it was a purposeful foot smash it should be equally criticized as the assault on the moveon'er.
Yeah, stomping someone's head against the curve and stepping over a foot... yeah totally the same thing.
In Timjoebillybob's world, the actual victim is the curve for having to endure the onslaught from that liberal's face. Logical dissonance is funny that way...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
on a persons foot that just had surgery and is still wearing the surgical boot is pretty comparable to stepping on someones head. Risk of injury is pretty high in both.
you're just taking the word of someone who is mixed up with a pack of mad dog liars. As usual.
Any video of this alleged incident? No? She could have done it herself, just to be able to say "They did it too." Anyone could have trod on this moron's foot, There was a lot of pushing and shoving going on while Mr Mad Dog Open Carry Asshole was slamming the moveon woman into a concussion.
If you have half a brain, you know better than to hang out with an unruly mob, especially if you are already injured. Trouble is, these idiots are operating on less than half a brain.
me-oww!
you know better than to hang out with an unruly mob,
You mean like the person that rushed Paul? I'll ask again what do you think would happen to me if I did that to Obama?
And from the report the foot stomping happened earlier.
"The second occurred after a Conway supporter stepped on the foot of a female Rand supporter, who recently had foot surgery, according to police."
And as for the alleged concussion are you just going to take some spokespersons word? Or do you want to see the medical report?
wrongs don't make a right, which is why I'm not excusing either. And here is a bit more about it from another site.
"The stomping was one of two reported to Lexington police outside the debate. Paul supporter Marsha Foster, 49, reported that earlier in the night a person had intentionally stomped on her broken foot, causing “minor visible injuries,” according to a police report."
http://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.com/2010/10...
Hmm, like the print of a sole ontop of her shoe? I call bullshi*.
Not comparable in any way whatsoever. You've got the "word" of someone of what "might" have happened vs. a videotape of an intentional foot to the head.
Sometimes I don't understand why people try to argue these things.
Hmm like the stitches split open as it says in the story?
And as I said above I couldn't tell if the foot to the head was intentional, it could be he went to shove on her shoulder to keep her down and it slipped. And actually watching the video again that does appear to be what happened. His foot is on her shoulder and he pushes down. Foot comes off the shoulder and lands on her head.
Again from the video it doesn't look like it was necessary to restrain her. But I don't think he was intentionally kicking her in the head.
She should be pressing charges.
Strikes me as being staged. I wouldn't be surprised about something like that actually happening. After all many of these Tea Baggers just aren't playing with a full deck. Why didn't anyone attempt to restrain the attackers? It seemed to me like the crowd surrounding the victim all backed up to make sure the camera had a clear shot of the incident. The victim seemed to be a little too calm and collected about the whole thing at the end.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
a: The crowd was mostly Paul supporters. Why should they care if a LIBERAL is getting her civil rights violated? She hates America, don't you know that? Thus, no one tried to restrain the attackers. If anything, they were cheering them on.
b: Calm and collected? Try "shock" and/or "stoicism." Maybe some people would have preferred she break down sobbing "Why, God, why?" Especially on-camera. But she was probably dealing with the trauma of that happening best she could at the time.
On the maine tper's page there was a poster that stated "if t can be proved it wasn't staged then the RPaul campaign should condemn it". And now you're saying it was staged! Wow the Fox Meme of "the only racists at TP rallies are lefty infiltrators" has sunk in to the common narrative! Fox 1 reality 0.
... life must be so full of mysteries right? Where do babies come from, how is it possible to walk and chew bubble gum at the same time...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I don't believe everything I see on news entertainment. I know moral and social values are next to nil these days, but I just can't believe there wasn't at least one person there who was not going to stand by and watch another human being potentially get their head bashed in. Even a tea bagger. It just seems to me the victims reaction didn't match the circumstance.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
Hitler certainly depended on it when he compared a street beating to a car accident in Mein Kampf.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://web.utk.edu/~wmorgan/psy470/kitty2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL-s4ax0oIM
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
WTF is this comment supposed to be?
"The woman denied police were involved, but right afterwards officers pulled her aside to question her about the incident."
It appears to me the women may not have known police were involved until after the interview. The framing by the news anchor makes it appear that the woman was somehow lying.
why do you think we called them pigs? "public servants" indeed, but i have to say, the guy was not smart, never fight with the cops, you will lose, just go limp, let them do the work. there are lots of things creating disrespect for the law, an illegitimate economic arrangement, drug laws, and bad cops, to name but a few.
it is not surprising to see violence in these political situations, isn't that the way we handle our foreign policy? is it surprising to see it bleed over to the domestic arena? i have said it before, the american citizenry is like a dog that has been beat too much (not that beating dogs is acceptable), eventually the dog will turn and bite you.
excellent series on pbs "we shall remain" about the native american experience, and how the virtual genocide was accomplished. mr. thomas jefferson, one of our early presidents, was especially enthusiastic about driving the indians "like beasts of the field", real swell.
i fully realize the point of this post is to point out how nuts the teabaggers are, and they are nuts, no doubt about it, but why? these people are crazy, things are getting dangerous, but that is the way our country is, and has been. did john kerry stop the guy from being tazed? you remember the "don't taze me bro" guy, right? we have two choices in this country overt and covert fascism, or polite fascism versus rude fascism, you pays your money and you takes your choice. just don't kid yourself, until we reform our economic system these are the results we will get, you treat people like expendable assets, this is what you will get; live by the law of the jungle, you get animals.
not what the poster was looking for i am sure, but when you stifle dissent, you stifle the revolution. the people of this country may be vicious, but they are not stupid, they see the debt figures, they see thugs on the street, are the democratic policies going to fix the problems? or are they going to kick the can down the road? the working class is being squeezed, the ruling class has them twisted like a pretzel, they don't know which way is up, are the democrats telling them the plain truth? or are the democrats doing the old soft shoe in the hopes of not pissing off their corporate donors?
There was no mention of this on Morning Joe this morning..of course they were really busy going on and on about how senatorial Rand Paul looked during the debate. Thankfully Gene Robinson came on a pointed out that he's clinging to a seat that has been in Republican hands for ever so he SHOULD win it. It would have been nice if one of them had the courage to say "although he looked senatorial this does not take away from the fact Rand Paul is clearly out of his mind".
Tsk tsk. Didn't anyone tell them you are supposed to wait till the cameras are off and the witnesses are gone before you start the violent suppression of your opponents?
Disagree with teapartier Rand Paul and you may be dragged to the pavement
and stomped. Ask questions of teapartier Joe Miller and you may be
handcuffed and illegally detained.
Coincidence?
FOX News has nothing to say.
You lump all conservatives in with a few people.Yet you guys claim to be so tolerant and open-minded. If this was some liberals doing it to a conservative this article wouldn't even be on here and none of you guys would be complaining.
Yes, the right is so oppressed! Now, go let your Mommy change you...we'll wait.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
You lumping all liberals into the same pot ...
First and foremost, you are wrong. Violence is condemned here no matter who is inciting the violence. Folks here aren't afraid to call out our own or admit when we're wrong.
Proof, you troll? Links to what you're accusing us of? Not from Missouri, but "Show me."
You're coming here accusing us of this, so show us.
Time and time again, there's proof here of what your cohorts are doing (and, if you're not against what they're doing, by your silence, you are approving.)
Give proof of your accusations or STFU and don't go away angry, just go away.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
You guys are on here lumping all conservatives in with the guys in the video and I am going to come on here and defend us. I have never once lumped all liberals in with those crazy leftist protestors I see on TV all of the time fighting cops and other law enforcement officials. I have even defended you guys when I hear conservatives doing that, but no more.
Uh-huh --- yeah, sure...
My heart is broken that you will not "defend us" any longer... no... really...
*snark now turned off*
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
I bet the missed that word in troll school, so don't be too hard on yourself.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
the cops never just start weighing in and start beating war protesters just for drill.
You're ill, man. Get some help for that shit.
me-oww!
They subscribe to your philosophy, and Beck tells you people to go off all the time. We don't have people like you Fascists do-no counter to your messiahs, Savage, Drugbo and Beck. And all of your role models preach a doctrine of hate.
Just eat us, troll.
me-oww!
Love the details there dickhead , how typical , all bullshit . I don't call you guys the Reich wing for nothing , if it weren't for hate and fear you guys would be SOL , the Republicans have nothing else to offer , just lie after lie , hate , fear and smear to the point that even Joseph Goebbels would be humbled , and the stupid shits who support them may as well be wearing brown shirts , completely unable to actually think rationally they are brainwashed cult members , nothing less .
"I know you are but what am I ?" Is that the best you can do john ? Sheeesh .
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“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5P5eQiKNQs
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
OK, bucko... where's your outrage at the tactics of your cohorts?
You are being what you're speaking against... lumping "leftists" together... how many leftists do you know of that are acting like the Tea Partiers? And don't bother bringing up the Yippies of the '60's --- where are the "leftists" today that are acting like this? And how many of us have you bothered to ask whether we would be outraged by similar actions by the left?
Lumping, indeed, troll.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Yes, I'll have the lumpy troll please. I'd also like a side of mysogynistic woman stomper seasoned with some Colt .45.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Well, I'd rather season with a .38 -- doesn't kick as much, so, therefore, I won't miss...
*smile*
And, in case I get slammed by a troll for this, this would only be in defense of myself and those I love... but defend I most certainly will - quickly, accurately, and without hate nor malice.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
...asshole. You know damn well you thugs on the right are more prone to violence, you bastards feed off it. If one of you pricks as much as touched me or my wife you'd pull away a bloody stump. I would never start a fight, but I'll damn sure finish one. I may be a progressive, but I've been swinging a hammer my whole life, underestimate us at your own peril.
"He wrote this book here and the book says ; He made us all to be just like him So, if we're dumb, then god is dumb and maybe even a little ugly on the side".
Frank Zappa
Fox's own Beck has a chalkboard with more circles and lines than John Madden, for the soul purpose of making connections between people and you accuse us of playing the guilt by association game?
That game is your sides strong suit. And your problem is commonly referred to as "projection". What you hate in yourself you see in others. Whatever else you hate about "our side" look closely at yours and root it out there first.
There, just saved you $300 in psych bills. Submit this thread to your HMO maybe you can get reimbursed.
Violent racist angry pussies stepping on a woman's head and you come here with your Anderson Cooper imaginary moral equivalency bullshit.
FUCK YOU!
I truly never tire of this. It's the quickest way to identify a troll. Do they teach this in clown college or what?
Setting aside your obvious lumping all libruls together, just how are "conservatives" and "libertarians" the same thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LwtJFULFGU&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... derp, derp, deeeeeerp... apparently the liberals' lack of willingness to get their head stomped in a curb somehow offends your conservative "sensitivities," which are the victim in all of this as always.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
That's the point isn't it meat head ? You will not see Liberals doing this .
...I know some people are upset over the idea of the victim being questioned by the police after she was attacked. I just wanted to point out that the Police in Kentucky endorsed Conway over Paul. Sure, these cops could've been the "few bad apples" looking to make liberals look crazy.
But a more likely scenario is, these same cops were being tsold a bill of goods by all the Paul supporters who were there (and probably quite a few but weren't but said they were), all looking to justify and defend their gross violation of this woman's civil rights. Stuff like "before the cameras caught here, she was screaming that rand deserved to die!" "I heard someone scream she had a gun!" "I heard someone scream she had anthrax!" "It's a post-9/11 world, buddy, and I ain't taking chances." "Who you gonna believe? Us? or your lying electronic eye?" So after being fed the Paul supporters' B.S., they had to go to Valle and get her side of the story. Doesn't mean she's going to be arrested, they just have to get all sides of the story in order to present as full a support as possible. Just as if there were a car accident, you wouldn't want the cops hearing only one side of the story and then saying "OK, I heard enough, you're clearly the victim here."
I know you all have your reasons for being distrustful of cops. Perhaps I'm biased against that because John Law runs in my family. But just as I know that there are some bad cops out there who abuse their power for fun and/or profit, I also know that not one of the progressives on this board would want broad generalizations being offered about any other group that's NOT in power, be they black or women or Muslim. Anyone claiming a stereotype to be true would be attacked as a trol.. Well, so too should we not assume every cop is looking to bash some hippie skulls. It does a disservice to those in law enforcement who are honest (someone's cue to write "They can be honest?" figured I'd nip that in the bud now) and interested in justice and keeping the peace by first trying in alll situations to practice the peace. And the animosity towards them only makes it harder for our side to work with them when we really need to, and could perhaps make them a better force for our efforts.
It would be allong the lines of can you identify the perp. Can you give us a description of him. We need to collect evidence
Not along the lines of "what did you do to provoke the nice man?" They want evidence so they can pursue him and then convict him when he is caught.
One good thing from the video, or maybe it was the one from Talking Points, you could hear someone saying something like, Hey don't do that" to the thug. Guess at least one person there wasn't from the local chapter of the kkk or skin head org.
Glenn Beck loves to describe and show footage of someone opposing the health care reform act being harassed and struck by "SEIU goons." Now we see that the shoe is on the other foot.
It's safe to assume that FoxPAC won't be mentioning this beat down.
"The antidote to bad speech is more speech." ~~J.S. Mill
if this was a conservative being beaten by a leftist.
Hypocrite!
...it's not likely to happen, ass licking troll.
"He wrote this book here and the book says ; He made us all to be just like him So, if we're dumb, then god is dumb and maybe even a little ugly on the side".
Frank Zappa
That one can actually spell.
I'd ask the nice troll to cite a instance of similar activity involving a leftist.
Now now, we don't want you to hurt yourself.
Actually, if a leftist did something like that, we'd condemn it right away. You know that.
But, if things keep getting worse. I suspect(I said suspect mind you) that some folks will have had enough.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Who wouldn't, you troll? I have yet to see anyone here justifying any such thing.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
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would not be mentioning it. Wait, I just DID mention it. So you're not just an ass licking troll; you're a dumb, ass-licking troll. You call me a hypocrite, but I DID mention the other incident.
So who's the real hypocrite here?
"The antidote to bad speech is more speech." ~~J.S. Mill
How long do they allow you online at the institution? Must be hard typing in that jacket with the sleeves on backwards.
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They are already countering this video with that very one. Only they aren't playing any of the discrediting evidence from that incident. I am willing to bet that they have that poor beaten up black guy on before they invite this woman on their shows.
First question to him will be "so how huge were your medical bills?" "are you still terrorized?" And her first question will be "so why were you hiding your identity under a wig?" "where did your gun go?"
...Relax, he's just a troll. I needed to get that rant out, I feel better now. Peace.
"He wrote this book here and the book says ; He made us all to be just like him So, if we're dumb, then god is dumb and maybe even a little ugly on the side".
Frank Zappa
Of course he's a troll, but I refuse to allow such to hijack our board with false equivalencies.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
I come on here to correct you guys with your lumping of all conservatives with the guys in the video and I get called a troll.
Because you are obviously a troll, troll. You have been answered regarding your false equivalencies, but you insist, obviously, on not listening. Hence, you are treated as a troll. No one here is lumping anyone into a category, but it is becoming apparent that the "conservatives," if not committing such acts, are approving by their silence.
Obviously, we are allowing you to spew - we are answering your bullsh!t, but are allowing you to spew, nonetheless.
Go over to FreeRepublic or RedState and post an opinion contrary to the status-quo over there and see how "open-minded" they are --- you'll probably get one post out, then be banned.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Listen asshole, there is no excuse for a man to do that to a woman and since Obama has become President you sick hostile racist right wing mother fuckers have amped up your hate.
We get it...you power thirsty dumb-fuck corporate slaves hate us. Now "man up" and take your bitch-ass complaints to Redstate.
That pretty much sums it up.
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ThinkProgress has finally figured out a way to keep the hijackers somewhat at bay, and C & L has had such in place for quite some time, but I'm not going to keep silent in the face of the hypocrisy of these idiots.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
in getting some publicity for her Move-On award to Rand Paul. Not as good as the Kirk fake HQ, but she got part of her sign on the air.
People really should follow the link in the post to HuffPo and Sam Stein. What happened here is not so cut and dried. Sam quotes the police spokesman:
"The victim, apparently, was trying to run up and approach Dr. Paul with a sign reading 'RepubliCorp: Employee of the Month,'" he added. "She worked for MoveOn.org -- was a contract employee sent to the debate with MoveOn.org for the purpose of getting a picture with Dr. Paul with the sign."
Valle had been sent from Pennsylvania for the purposes of appearing outside the Paul event, according to Hart. "She had been attending multiple rallies with the same purpose. She stated that she was wearing a wig and as she was running up to Rand Paul she was either tripped on purpose or pushed to the ground."
TFR
And then people HELD HER DOWN AND STOMPED ON HER HEAD.
You know, I don't give a flying fuck what she was doing at the rally. They were kicking her head. Not arresting her, not escorting her off the premises, but violently assaulting her. There is no excuse whatsoever for that.
downright moderate.
No matter what people....this is brutality in it's worst!! Whatever caused this to happen should make us all take a step back and see what we have become. You would see this in the streets of Bagdad or in Africa....but no,...here it is staring us all right in the face!! I'm so ashamed that anger has taken us to this spot in our history. I am so afraid for all of us!! Listen to what you all are saying to one another...will the FU's get anybody anywhere but filled with more hate and anger? This election has turned many into brutal bullies who have no concern for humanity. You know if people saw a person push and hold down a dog on the street in this manner, that person would be arrested!! And I would approve of that!! We are not getting anywhere allowing anyone to treat another human being this way here in our great country...and the reason for it should not matter!!! Shame on all of us!! This is not a fictional story....we can see it with our own eyes...we can hear the rage, the hatetred and complete disreguard for civility. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE grab hold of the truth that is right before us. Radicals have no place in our society...thats what our men and women have been fighting in the middle east vfor and now here it comes to our land. This makes me sick to my stomach that some people are so angry and think it's their way or else!! We aren't an "or else" nation....WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA and this kind of thing can never be condoned!!
...Who's the fascists?
Sorry you don't approve of the "FU's", but unfortunately the world isn't all unicorns and puppy dogs, I will not sit here passively while these pigs kick the shit out of people for simply having differing views. Words are just a way to express yourself, we're not talking to scholars here, they need the truth pounded into their pointed little heads. Constantly.
"He wrote this book here and the book says ; He made us all to be just like him So, if we're dumb, then god is dumb and maybe even a little ugly on the side".
Frank Zappa
...I didn't mean pounded literally. ;-)
"He wrote this book here and the book says ; He made us all to be just like him So, if we're dumb, then god is dumb and maybe even a little ugly on the side".
Frank Zappa
No shock here- right wingers always resort to violence or the threat therof as a first tactic of communication.
Most of them are so uneducated and inarticulate, they can't use words to express themselves, so they use violence. At the very least, I hope the scum who stomped on her arrersted and sued.
I remember at the the ralley for gay marriage at the MA state house, how right wingers behind the barricades shouted out the violent things they wanted to do to us. These people are thugs.
'Culture of life' my arse...
What poltical purpose is served by having someone in a crowd awaiting the arrival of a candidate for office at a televised debate try and break through a group of his supporters to try and give him a mock award? Think that will sway some votes? Or will it motivate those who would otherwise go the the movies because of the GREAT Disappointment we have in the White House?
TFR
No, Ricky, it probably wouldn't sway anyone, but dammit it sure beats sitting on one's ass, handwringing over the jerk --- not accusing you of this - just observation of behavior of the great mass of folks who are rightfully outraged over the one-upmanship of the right-wing candidates.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
based on the interview with the victim, Ms. Valle, she was not only not sitting on her ass, she was paid by MoveOn and transported to this event from Pennsylvania. Gee, isn't there a Senate race there?
TFR
well then, she deserved to be assaulted by those men
... who actually do stuff other than sitting pretty in between voting straight Dem tickets, big time offenses in ricky's world. She was obviously asking for it.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I implied nothing about whether this woman was right or wrong to be there, nor did I in any way suggest her attack is in any way justified.
I asked a simple question about the political purpose being served by her presence and actions. When Paul responsed, I pointed out that
the money spent to put her there might have been better and more efficiently spent close to home.
Actually I was the one who was asking for it. You two gave me exactly what I wanted.
TFR
back peddle away ricky, you are skilled at running in reverse
Your "questions" are the same loaded statements that FOX news and friends try to push, under a guise of plausible deniability, by attaching a question mark at the end of them. Funny how that works...
In the end, who gives a flying fuck what "political purpose" it does serve for that lady to show up with a political banner? This is the United States of America, and last I checked there is still this thing called freedom of speech and expression. People's lives and actions should not be ruled or judged by whether or not their serve the agenda of your political party of choice, in this case your dear Dems, ricky.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I asked it directly saying it would incite. And you still haven't answered it. At least Samson atempted to below.
I won't back away. I think standing around outside a televised debate waving signs at arriving candidates is a colossal waste of time. And yields exactly this kind of pointless behavior, coverage, and discussion. Which I intend to futher no more.
What was it the two guys said at the debate?
TFR
... wether or not you liked the answer is a whole different matter.
Your initial "questions" were very subjective loaded arguments.
What political purpose does it serve for a person to exercise her right to free speech, without having checked with you or her local Dem chapter first if she was allowed to do so? I don't know... why don't you tell us ricky?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
What-the-Fuck are you talking about? Who-the-fuck cares what she was there for? That has shit to do with the situation.
She was manhandled by a group of big bad fat-ass Rand Paul Cowards that knew only one way to deal with people they don't agree with. They beat her up. A concussion is NOT an inconsequential thing.
So put a lid on the intellectually dishonest disingenuous horseshit.
I keep hearing Right-Wingers talk about her being a potential Squeaky From. Be fucking serious. EVERYONE is a potential Squeaky.
(Can I cuss this much and not get banned?)
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Well said.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
put her in a cage at the free speach zone a mile down the road. I think they should take some responsibility for this.
What purose does the Chamber of Commerce have donating money gathered from outside of Kentucky and or outside of the US to Rand?
I would call it "one downmanship".
The right-wing race to the bottom... each day their "spokespeople" outdo each other in their lunacy.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
I agree . Pretty much senseless .
this young lady sure has gotten under your skin. whatever one might think about her tactics, her message, whatever, i would think that the fact that she was tackled, held down and 'stomped' by a group of larger men would elicit a strong rebuke from everyone. yet, you only seem to impugn her character and justify the assault.
Republican response of blaming the victim.
and had nothing to do with the incident. Read it again and see if you can answer it. If not, then I will figure out what you "seem" to do by inventing something.
TFR
but, yes, that tactic has worked in the past. 'republicorp' is similar to 'billionaire's for bush', and the 'yes men', and although you might think their tactics aren't politically efficacious, they are.
outside a debate is a guarantee you will go completely unnoticed
unless an incident like this occurs.
Oh, that "billionaire's for bush" thing. Aren't the billionaires for bush the one's buying this election while many REAL progressive whine about how bad Obama is and call anyone who still admires him an apologist?
TFR
and your opinion is welcome.
but:
"many REAL progressive whine about how bad Obama is and call anyone who still admires him an apologist"
has grown tiresome. do you need to thrash this strawman everyday?
I'll stop. When people quit talking about REAL Democrats and REAL progressives as if were just like REAL Palinites discussing REAL American, I'll leave that alone too. But I admire your balls for telling em what you think. Porgressives need more people with balls like you.
TFR
we can add 'whining' to 'death and taxes'
but it is a freedom of speech deal, and as such, she has a right in a public place. I never see these morons get shoved down to the ground and stomped on by people at Democratic events. There aren't a bunch of crazed open carry assholes at pro Democratic rallies then either (on the dem side, anyway). And we all know democrats are wusses.
me-oww!
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