Public Option Success Is Close - But White House Pushes for Snowe's Trigger Instead. Say What?
TPM reports that Reid is close to pulling off senatorial support for the public option - and the White House wants Olympia Snowe's trigger option instead.
In other words, the White House wants the plan that won't work, so they can claim it's a bipartisan plan. Or is it that the administration wants a plan that won't really work, and they're using bipartisanship as a cover? Just asking the obvious question, here:
Multiple sources tell TPMDC that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is very close to rounding up 60 members in support of a public option with an opt out clause, and are continuing to push skeptical members. But they also say that the White House is pushing back against the idea, in a bid to retain the support of Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME).
"They're skeptical of opt out and are generally deferential to the Snowe strategy that involves the trigger," said one source close to negotiations between the Senate and the White House. "They're certainly not calming moderate's concerns on opt-out."
This new development, which casts the White House as an opponent of all but the most watered down form of public option, is likely to yield backlash from progressives, especially those in the House who have been pushing for a more maximal version of reform.
It also suggests for perhaps the first time that the White House's supposed hands off approach that ostensibly allowed the two chambers in Congress to craft their own bill has been discarded.
High level White House officials have floated the trigger idea a number of times, and it seems they continue to do so, even at this, crucial stage of the health care reform process, when their involvement is greatest. That has senators who support the public option concerned.
UPDATE: Big Tent Democrat has another take. So does Nate Silver.
HR 676, single payer is the minimum we should accept.
Too bad the deal with the Corporate Troika is already done and we have been had.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
you can never trust a (R)ahmocrat. Deals were made to pre-screw us.
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common sense matters as much as truth
dudes, Canada, I will round up as many of you as I can an take you along, get your passports ready and your assholes lubed up to cross the boarder.
you know if we don't get health care
then
maybe everyone without insurance and all those
underinsured should beat a direct line to
the recruiting offices and sign up......
wonder what congress would do then with
the new expenses of covering everyone
with a GOVT RUN HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN?
prolly not to bright an idea, mental problems and shrapnel, plus nuclear dust imbedded in your lungs, besides after your to sick or injured to kill, they toss you in a homeless shelter with out health care any way, Canada.
I tryed to join Marines they wouldn't take me any way.
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R E M E M B E R:
OBAMA was FOR Universal Healthcare before he was against it!
then...
Obama was FOR a Public Option before he was in favor of status quo triggers.
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
Same with Marijuania Legalization/De-Criminalazation, was for it now against it. Bush also said in 1999 he was for states rights concerning the issue, 10 years latter and another half a million people locked up on drug charges and quite a few died in federal prison too over this crap.
Obama just did what Bush said he was going to do, so maybe when Ron Paul is president it will be legalized.
It will be legalized....
It's a comin'....in November 2010 (if they can qualify the Initiatives for the ballot).
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
like a FIDDLE.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
when is everyone going to realize
harry reid is just another bought
phucking little whore turd
of the insurance/pharmacy corporations?
he knows he is out this next election,
so he is phucking us before he's gone.
the only balls he has are repressed
tonsils.
The post seems to indicate that Reed is working somewhat to the positive, ie for the Public Option, which has many progressive cheerleaders, I am for single payer, so I am not one. Exactly what what this Public Option would do even if it happens is nowhere clear. Probably not much.
While the White House is the contrarian. I agree that Reed is a disaster, but from the standpoint of this post, and my opinion too, it is the Pope of Hope that is the flop.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
waiting and wishing that harry was a real dem.
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common sense matters as much as truth
keeping the pressure up on congress/senate and Obama
is important. overall i am concerned that we only get
one level of the onion as to what is actually happening
in washington dc on health care. it does appear that
congress is moving towards a stronger version of the
health bill, but if obama is giving out this kind
of watered-down shit, then there will be one more
position to consider in the 2010 elections. we
elected obama for a change and a strong leader, not
another beltway slacker.....the majority of the
public wants a strong health bill with protections
and lower rates, not a piece of swiss cheese.
and, I have to wonder why so few US citizens address the FACT that we are not being told what's going on! Most of us have no idea what 'public option' means, or what this stupid 'trigger' will do! AND, those of us who support single payer might as well be talking to that wall over there when we try to explain how much this option would benefit each and every one of us!!!
When the vast majority of adults in the US cannot comprehend what they read, and cannot retain much of what they're told, should we be surprised that so many embrace an ideology that legitimizes their fears and resentments? Plus, O'Reilly's show is proof positive that FOX knows sex sells.
The Angry Group (aka Teh Stoopid) don't even realize they're being bent over by the very people whose water they persist in carrying!
Oh, and just for the record, if Obama supports ANY reform that benefits big pharma/insurance--or ANY of the corporatists--all of the true progressives who supported Obama might want to ready their marching shoes...
The only chance Harry Reid has is to get a good healthcare bill passed with a PO in the hopes of being re-elected. If he fails, he will loose his seat and who in their right mind would hire this guy as a lobbyist. He is the ultimate wimp and apparently incapable of convinving anyone to do anything.
"when is everyone going to realize
harry reidObama is just another boughtphucking little whore turd
of the insurance/pharmacy corporations?
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I've never bought into this bipartisanship crap Obama has been selling. His corporate campaign contributions came in from insurance and banks, and it shows. This bipartisanship is just an excuse for watering down the bill, and taxing those who already have health insurance.
private insurance or be fined by the government.
He's not going to win over any Republicans, no matter what he does. And if the "reform" doesn't save any money, he's not going to win over any Democrats, either.
Politically, he would have been better off pursuing single payer, and emphasizing the cost savings, or doing nothing.
I don't care if this is what the GOP claims to want or what the Dems claim they don't want. Single payer or nothing. It is not about them. It is about real people. It is OUR money and we should be able to spend it, at least in this one case, the way we want to spend it. Let's set a precedent here. Our way or no way. Enough of this nonsense intended to confuse and distract. They have all proven themselves to be unable to serve and protect the majority of the citizens of this country. As a group, they are devious, greedy, dishonest, and arrogant. Get out of the way. SINGLE PAYER. NOW!
I've been uninsured in the distant past. Through the fickle hand of fate, I'm currently insured, whether I work or not.
I do want the uninsured to be covered. Since we pay 50% more per capita than the other industrial countries, I did want that coverage to the uninsured to come out of efficiencies that are used by those other industrial countries.
From what I understand, there are at least 3 versions of this current health reform (not counting HR 676 as Obama said it's 'off the table').
1.) HR 3200 - The House bill.
2.) Senate Help bill
HELP = (Health, Education, Labor, & Pensions)
3.) Senate Finance Committee (Baucus bill)
Thing is, my ears perked up when Obama started using the same talking points as Baucus, when he was on the Letterman show. (Reject foreign countries approach in favor of an "unique American" way.) The Baucus bill seems to be the ultimate "s#!t sandwich".
I think Baucus = Obama and vice-versa.
However, I have a bad feeling about not covering the uninsured. If we cover them now, then, perhaps later on, cost reform could be addressed. I plan to rant and rave. But, in the distant past, I've been in the position of being uninsured, jerked around by medicaid, and ill, and it's not a good situation.
I agree that Obama is a neoliberal corporatist, bought by the big plutocratic corps. When he appointed Emmanuel, Geithner, and Summers, the jig was up. I don't think he ever intended to sign a full public option. We were HAD.
Obama apologists are falling by the wayside. It truly is pathetic that so many believed in him and his message and now it is obvious he is very deceitful and spineless. After all the American People have been through they deserve better. Instead the rich and powerful are catered to and the poor and unemployed are conned and ignored. If he had at least given the Nation the medical care a lot of people would have looked the other way but the powers that be want it all, your money, your house, your children for their pointless wars, and your rights to a decent future. The ability to fight back is diminishing as we speak with the continual dismantling of the Constitution and our rights. Many people are not aware of the judicial sorcery that Obama and Holder are performing. Health Care, the economy and the wars take up our attention. Its all a tragedy.
I've been following Bowers' updates at Open Left today on who to put the lean on about this.
Congressmen: http://www.openleft.com/diary/15664/ugrent-pl...
Senators: http://www.openleft.com/diary/15667/best-gues...
And, of course, Harry Reid.
Using my fax machine, though, to leave little hard copies everywhere. There's something viscerally satisfying about knowing that you can feed it in here and have it spit out onto the floor there.
there's only one man in washington dc
right now with the BALLS to speak straight
with the American public and at the other
congressmen and that is Alan Grayson of florida.
Is mistakenly suggesting that a vote FOR H.R. 3200 will be like Single Payer....
Ehhhhhhhhh......NO!!!! Not true!!!!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I am speechless. A rare occurrence. Even if this actually leads to single payer, which it is unlikely to do, why not just go for the gold now? There is no GOOD reason for this nonsense.
home made using my printer, with interesting pictures on the front, and stern messages on the back. Eye Catching and cheaper than sending a letter.
If this report proves to be true, Obama has to go in 2012. It will be clear that he doesn’t care to represent the people who put him in office. I personally already feel this way. I think he’s a silver-tongued grifter, and I was proud at the time when I voted for him.
count on.
He's a Fox loving, insurance industry pandering, neoconservative Republican in disguise.
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You just know ur my fav on here.
on here was a fundamentalist blogger who wanted me to participate in discussions on his blog. I suspect what he really wanted to do was to cannibalize me. I didn't bite.
what I fear must follow?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
by chance
Then again, I'm not much on belief in God(s) (i.e., I don't)... presumably that makes me something bad, just not sure what ... til I hear what it means from the Savvy one, that is. But not sure "fundamentalist" fits.
And I don't blog. I mean please! You've read enough of me to know my views would appeal to ... umm ... nobody from the frothed up right or left, so I got nowhere else to go ...
I'm just saying...
not alone in that.
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common sense matters as much as truth
This is JUST health care...not the end of the world. I personally care about the environment, energy, and a couple dozen other things just as much or more. And Obama's already done - and is doing - absolute miracles on some of those fronts.
And if he's merely a "silver-tongued grifter"...name me ONE human being out there who could get health care reform THIS FAR ALONG.
I'm waiting...
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper
... I guess I can name about 43 presidents that could have gotten health care "reform" this far along.
In fact, Grover Cleveland got health care reform exactly this far on two nonconsecutive occasions.
But, you're right, we should sit at our computers and bitch that he hasn't done it yet. That's productive.
And saying that 43 others "could have" means nothing. They all "could have" - but all but about three never even tried.
This one is actually doing it.
let Texans steal that land from Mexico on his watch!
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
gift. This should not be called health care reform. It is health INSURANCE reform. Reformed to benefit the health insurance industry. Eyes should be wide open!
IS Obama doing for Health Care? Wishing-and-washing and waffling. No one knows what he favors, other than his lobbyist' demands.
He seems to be in thrall to Ms. Snow-job, god knows why. She & her pals WRECKED the stimulus, and now they're working hard to destroy any reasonable Health Care reform.
And, wilder5121: Health Care is not "JUST" a proposition.
To most Americans it IS Life or Death.
CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!
This whole health care quagmire has come to the boiling point and OBVIOUSLY all the Congress and Obama care about is "GOING ALONG TO GET ALONG" with the for-PROFIT health care CORPORATIONS!!
All they are doing is letting steam off the pot in the hopes that all of us PEASANTS will be pacified.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
To get things done fast and furious Barrack "lets be bipartisan" Obama appointed eleven members of the Trilateral Commission to top level and key positions in his administration within his first ten days in office.
That says a lot, doesn't it?
May I remind you all that a few weeks ago you were all crapping your Depends because you thought it was all over and the teabaggers were winning and there would be no health care at all and the sky was falling and it was all just terrible!!!
Take a chill pill - and if you're still upset, get off this site and on the phone to your CongressCritters - jeez.
Sometimes it feels like liberals and Progressives are Obama's worst enemies. I expect this from the Reich-wingers, but can we show a little patience and support?
Obama has already done more for this than any president in decades - how about we give him some cred and some support?
Oh, OK, I will wait till bill passes, then say it sucks till then, I will just say suck this.
Well, you suck this!
I guess we really showed each other, huh?
I'm not saying wait until it passes, I'm saying don't freak out and blame Obama because another round of anonymous rumors is cycling through the intertubes.
I am just looking for a fight, I think I am in the wrong place. First tho, what do you have to suck, I was being literal that time.
Anyway I think the same wait and see.....
My grama's name is Ruth, my Pop, always called her Ruthy.
But this is for you rooooth, NSFW, at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxg9SJXhjnQ&fe...
I laughed so damn hard I just hurt my back again.
laughing.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Phew! Thank you so much, Nowwhat--I really needed that wee bit of levity!
fricken trigger? After all the times he said he "preferred" a public option to keep the ripoff Insurance Industry honest? It's almost time to hear what Big ED has to say about the sellout Executive Branch of Corporate America.
LimpBalls
So the WH thinks that getting ONE single GOP vote (which is all they will get) will make it "bi-partisan"? I don't believe they are that stupid. Nobody could possibly be that stupid. I don't trust this report at all.
If all goes according to "the plan"....none of this legislation will take place until 2013...
Which, unless I am sorely mistaken (which is possible), the FOR-PROFIT health care insurance corporations will have FOUR YEARS to gouge all of us.
Oh!!! And it won't take effect until AFTER the presidential election in 2012!!!
How con-veeeeeen-ient!!!
My friend here in Massachusetts made a great point today that no one seems to be picking up on....
She owns her own modest home in Lenox, MA. Her neighbor across the street rents.
They have both been deemed to be "eligible" for Medicaid.
"The Mass Plan" is the model for H.R. 3200.
Why is it that my friend, because she happens to "own" her home is subject to "estate recovery" should she ever need hospitalization etc., but her neighbor, who rents, is not???
DISCRIMINATION ANYONE???? No thanks!!!! We already have it!!
This Obama "mandate", if passed, will face the wrath of MANY court challenges as an affront to The Constitution.
And please. Don't label me a "troll". I'm a dyed in the wool Democrat (with regrets).
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Medicaid is distinct from Commonwealth Care.
"Do MassHealth Estate Recovery rules apply to the Commonwealth Care program?
No. MassHealth estate recovery rules do not apply to Commonwealth Care costs. The Connector does not have an estate recovery program for Commonwealth Care. "
Commonwealth Care is the assistance program for buying insurance, and I *believe* only relies on income levels.
Medicaid eligibility, on the other hand, takes into account, assets. The person who owns the house has an asset that can be sold in lieu of relying on Medicaid. They're being nice in saying that they don't have to do so immediately, but that they're going to want reimbursement later on. If anyone is being discriminated against, it's the renter, who can only have maybe $2000 in assets before being excluded from Medicaid, while the homeowner can have a much larger asset and still qualify. The estate recovery equalizes that out later.
I think Medicaid is like that everywhere, allowing people to keep their houses, but recovering expenses later on.
I believe HR3200 is modeled after "Commonwealth Care" (Romney-care), not Masshealth/Medicaid.
is due to US, rooth, not his good heart. All politicians, even Dems with nice smiles and lovely families, need to be prodded and poked and even kicked in the pants on a regular basis, by us "depends wearers", none of us who are crapping our pants. We are pushing for a public health option.
That is what this discussion is about, not petty and lame insults from Obama worshippers.
that the fix was in? What does it take to convince real people that they are going to get screwed yet again?
Barack Obama appointed eleven members of the Trilateral Commission to top level and key positions in his administration within his first ten days in office. Thats quite a lot.
It is quite obvious to me that Obama is nothing more that a snake oil saleman from the start and had all of us fooled. All this talk of "change" was a fraud. Look at all of OUR money he shoveled out to banks and despite all the tought talk NOT ONE PIECE OF REGULATION has been handed down to banks! And all the talk of "healthcare! healtcare! We gotta reform HEALTHCARE" was crock! Crock Hussien SCAM-Bama is using this "bipartisan" crap as a smoke screen because he is bought by the insurance industry and pharma. He's no different than Bush! Man, I wish I voted for Hillary!
The saddest part of all is that THE REPUBLICANS WHERE ACTUALLY RIGHT ABOUT HIM! He IS a SNAKE-OIL SALEMAN.
these kind of posts.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Obama apologists.
Well, do you have another suggestion about how to fix squeaky snakes?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Place tire gauge in mouth of squeaky snake. If snake turns into
PUMA, cast both back out of garden and blame Rahmanuel, the Israeli gardener for starting and not fixing the leak.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
thanks, ricky. that could "come in" handy.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Followed by corporate appeasement.
The part of me that just can't give up - I know, I know - 'hope' is trying desperately to see some sort of really cunning plan behind this incredibly disappointing attitude, that if the Snowe job fails, then he can come back with something even better than public option, maybe even... single payer, wouldn't that be something?
But... the rational part of me knows that there are too few genuinely idealistic and moral politicians in office anymore, on either side, and the lobbyists are holding them all to ransom - at our expense.
*sigh*
SOSDD
He is going to have one chance on this and he is blowing it.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
From the corporate perspective? He is highly successful. What does he have to do to prove what he really is?
on FISA.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
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Check the alignment and blame the way they don't label replies around here.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
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If that's what happens, if the 'reform' bill comes out with a 'trigger' then it deserves to be defeated and let Obama & Rahm go suck eggs.
If this is true, our hopes lie in Harry and not the President. That is scary, maybe Harry is going to finally stand up and become a leader. What is this fascination with Snow, they all but kissed her ring in the committee and did not need her vote anyways, go let her play with the rest of the just say no crowed.
they didn't kiss her ring because
they were stuping and licking her a.....
A dem super majority caves to a fricken lone repug? Sorry but I just lost every ounce of faith in our leader(s). They're all corporate sellouts!
LimpBalls
What can be said about the Democrats and republicans that hasn't already been said?
Third party, grass roots funding, with the goal of banning campaign contributions over $100 and destroying corporate person-hood.
You left out the good part.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
then I suggest we have a serial liar for a president. What is it Mr. President, are you with us or trying to kill us too?
Is Rahm Emmanuel pulling the strings on this? I wonder.
Is it the 21st century yet?
back from the sandwich.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Beck was on a rampage about Rahm tonight too. He was using a ball bat in his rampage. We need props too.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
of making the stupid mistake of portraying Rahm while using a right handed bat. See if he bites.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I also have two saddles.
We can ride BHO and Rahm with vigor.
the Sparklepony. You know, the one with the horn in the middle of her forehead. Anything else will be a big disappointment all the way to 2012.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Somebody has to do something!
Ya think?????????
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Obama knows what he's doing. Isn't it obvious that getting Olympia Snowe's tepid support of healthcare reform will immediately result in all Republicans ceasing all criticism of Obama and liberals in general? I remember just reading the other day that Newt Gingrich and Dick Cheney were prepared to stop accusing our President of wanting to destroy his own country the moment Olympia Snowe expressed satisfaction on this issue.
Even Michelle Bachmann has made it clear that President Obama's nod to bipartisanship will immediately convert her. "I've got my Dennis Kucinich 2012 t-shirt all ready to wear," Bachmann was quoted as saying, "but until Snowe says yes, I'm afraid I'm just not ready."
What a bunch of horse****.
I would suspect you were being sarcastic.
Barrack is so zealously courting Olympia that Michelle has to be fuming. One could go on and on with double entendres but Obama really has to recall just who actually elected him.
Lamont guy in Conn-etiquette.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Will make every Progressive in this country keel over and vomit....including Kucinich.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
This goes against what Valerie Jarrett said this morning on Morning Joe. She said the white house is still pushing heavily for public option.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
is part of the whole cluster fuck elite insiders who prop up Obama the Messiah with lies and cute Hillary style deceit. Just check out who she and her husband really are. Wealthy liberal elitists.
right?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
You got more pull than me. My comments like that get yanked by the righteous. This site is getting a lot like the Huffington post. Watch what you say about Obama and the Nice People.
I think I've only been deleted once or twice in the past few years. I've NEVER been deleted at Salon.com. or Informationclearinghouse
I quit going to Huffington a long time ago because they moderated every word I said and most were not posted.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Paul Wolfowitz, and all the other familiar faces. If these people are so proud of their affiliations, why do they not own up to them? Center for Security Policy. Check out their advisory council. Douglas Feith, what's going on with you?
The White House wants the Insurance Industry to win. How much more obvious can it get. If all we get is this useless trigger, the Obama will NOT get my vote in 2012 nor will he get the union's and many many liberals. This spineless super majority is pissing me off!
LimpBalls
BO keeps changing positions, never commits, and has literally done nothing to support the PO except saying 'it would be nice, but not necessary'. Frankly his party slipping in polls is because of him letting Baucus dick around for months so he could get a bill PHrmA and one republican would like, letting the press kick the party's ass for a few months because he wanted to stay out of it. He wasn't elected to get his ass kicked every day and to cave to ONE republican. Mark my words, two more years like the first one will mean a Republican in '12. He's 'losing his own party and the indies who wanted him to change things and it's the same old thing. Strong Republicans, weak Democrats, and a Dem president who's really half Clinto/half Bush.
What the fuck is the public option anyway? Is it a non profit insurence company with government employees? Fuck that junk too.
Susie we are getting screwed. CIA.
Hr'676 or nothing, you suck.
Bad mood, soory, but you still suck. There i said it. I would use a different word maybe a perjoritive to describe you but that would be over the top then wouldn't it. Lets fight. call me.
I just found out "you Suck" is actually a pejorative, I already know I can't spell. Just think real hard allot. My little brain cells are smoldering on thc.
what's your number?
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I emailed it to the sitemonitor1@gmail.
Just who are these "multiple sources"? I'm getting pretty sick of relying on a raft of unverifiable crap like this, no matter who's poling it down the Big Muddy. Anymore, the only person I'm willing to take on trust when he starts a sentence like this is Seymour Hersh, and he has a track record behind him. I'm done getting myself all worked up over boogeyman possibilities just because some "reliable source" who refuses to be identified sticks a bomb in some journo's ear.
I'm over the relentless 24/7 newspasms. Enough already. 3/4 of them turn out to be fiction but nobody notices because by then they're totally into their next freak-out. Good grief!
I'm with you, Roooth. I can turn on beck and hear what a shit the president is or I can come here and read what a shit the president is. When we get an actual bill and everyone can read it, then we can discuss the contents. For now I refuse to jump on the piss and moan wagon. By the way, some here are doing a better job of complaining about the president than beck is, if that makes anyone feel better.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Us ordinary "peasants" who are out here working (if we're lucky enough to even HAVE a job!) and who have NO access to the President (like the access the CEO of United Health Plans and the Executive Director of AHIP...America's Health Insurance Plans), so other than writing him letters and calling, putting his feet to the fire here at Crooksandliars and on other websites is one of our only ways to LOBBY HIM.
Think about it POP. We are up against corporate America with all their BILLIONS of dollars that they spend on campaign contributions etc.
Who do "we" have in D.C. right now roaming the halls of Congress...going to Committee hearings, going to all the "spots" on K Street for drinks and "conversation" at Happy Hour?
Pretty much nobody (that I'm aware of).
I criticize Obama here because I'm trying to tell the TRUTH about what it is I am reading and seeing that is going down in his administration.
The American People don't need a president who tells them there will be "change" then when they cast their votes for him and work for him to get elected they see NO change.
You really don't need to "wait" until the final bill to complain. By then it will definitely be too late. He wants to sign this puppy for Thanksgiving!!!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I am actually beginning to think that an insurance company ceo has either compromising photos or other embarassing information on the President.
Or his hot-air balloon is going down!
LimpBalls
his white house seems to have had a significantly hard time in controlling the message.
It is almost impossible to figure out what the heck is going on, the PO is in, then is out, then is in again... maybe not, maybe yes...
Lots of 'dithering' going on in that regard ....
They talk too damn much and won't let anybody quote them by name.
It is why sensible people live in trailers. Except for their unreliability in winds above 5 m.p.h., they don't yack out of turn or under cover.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
The media is playing this game for ratings. I'm sick of it.
Is it the 21st century yet?
plaintive wail of the yet to be but self professed wounded cross posted PUMA?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Yeah, it must be feeding time in the PUMA fields.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
congenitally Kool Aid allergic. They don't know what a tasty elixir they are missing. Yum!
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Do they make gin flavored Kool Aid? Olive flavored? Vermouth flavored? If so, I am so in!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
You can't handle vermouth."
Kolonel Karl Rove to Former US Attorney as played by Tom Cruise
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I can too handle the vermouth. In fact there is a chilled martini glass in my freezer that can handle it too. It's a Halloween decorated martini glass to boot. Weee!
See ya around the bend!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I voted for Obama and contributed to his campaign. He has been a big disapointment to me so far.
Isn't this the part where someone demands we stop watching tv and toss the thing in the garbage? I see the, he'll never get my vote in 2012, has already been used a bit. How about everyone remember, it's Friday Freakin' night and almost cocktail hour. Relax and have a great weekend, with or without your tv.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Thank you i will role a joint an smoke one right now, brb.
That's the spirit! Enjoy!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
This bud's fer you! Happy Friday to all!
;)
time I posted a comment that I did. But those lying bastards at FOX and the disappointed corporatist sell outs in the Obarama-Zionist front keep leaking things that piss me off. Anything on good tonight, pop?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I don't know the tv schedules. I stopped reading them to protest something Obama caused or may cause or might have caused or could cause or might as well have caused, to happen. If the President doesn't please me in every way, I just might not watch any tv after 2012.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
plays rope a dope
with the tiny strings of my heart.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
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statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
All of this democratic hemming and hawing amounts to one thing. The democrats know they have to do the right thing by the American people to keep their seats, but they are having a horrible time going against all of those lobbying millions that make life so enjoyable for a corruptocrat.
Classic case of approach-avoidance innner conflict.
The republicans made me very cynical about doing evil. Now, in just 9 months, the democrats have made me cynical about good being done. Because of that, I am going to wait to see what passes. Then I will judge the democrats.
Because of the many dissapointments I have already endured from Rahmabama, if this is a piece of crap legislation, I won't be at all surprised. We needed another FDR, but Obama is giving us DLC repuke-lite bs instead.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Remember when Rhamabama said not to take away Lieberman's committee gavel, so Lieberman got away with everything he'd done, scot free, but we all declared, "Well, Obama is being smart and thinking ahead, rest assured Lieberman is now on a very short leash, we're going to need his vote on health care reform and other progressive initiatives down the road."
Leiberman sure is on a short leash. Yessir, we've got Leiberman where we want him.
I'm ready to judge the democrats NOW. And especially President Obama. Our faces are being rubbed in it every day since November 5, yet we keep on feeling disappointment and dismay, as if each incident of betrayal is isolated.
(I like and agree with your post, of course. Corruptocrats and rhamabama, ROFL.)
someone for the cowardly Dems to cower behind. Ditto SnowJob and her chums. They are the excuse Dems use to do their real Master's (Corporate Criminals) bidding.
All others need not apply.
Without named sources, this is meaningless.
it would be cryptic and still genuinely unsatisfying.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Why do we keep being surpised anyway?
What's with Keith Olbermann? He has lunch in the exclusive company of Robert Gibbs and the president, which is weird, and then weirder, he says on his show last night, several times, that the public option won't really cover people anyway, harrumph. It will just be a "sliver" of extra coverage for a few Americans, some small businesses who have NO ACCESS to health insurance without it, and harrumph harrumph. Most Americans won't qualify. Unquote.
Then he brings Weiner on to back this up in no uncertain terms, followed by his reg bud Howard Feinman. What are they prepping us for? How does Olbermann's having had lunch with the prez himself the previous day (or whenever) NOT look suspicious, if he comes back to his show with this harrumphing about the public option not really being all that good, and for most people, it won't matter either way? Who told him to start putting that out? I wonder?
What are we fighting for, if even the lauded public option is a meaningless sliver of coverage for people who are probably on Medicaid right now anyway?
WTF is going on?
This is a give away for the insurance industry. Mandatory purchase of health insurance enforced by your government. Your tax dollars at work. Are there caps on premiums? No. Is there immediate relief for those suffering without coverage? No. Is there anything at all in this for real people? No. Kill this thing. Put single payer on the table, and then just pass it. This game is getting so tiresome.
It's time for a progressive filibuster and start all over. Then maybe Obama will get in the driver's seat for real reform when he fails to get his reform-in-name-only by Christmas.
LimpBalls
and Progressive CONgress right?
Washington is chock full of DINOs, including the prez.
LimpBalls
Sheesh I thought they we're out of touch during the 90's this is literally getting Dangerous to ones well being.
in 3 easy steps.
I can see it coming.
We need more Bernie Sanders and Alan Graysons - many more! Those useless slugs with the "D" after their names are nothing but RepubliCONS giving lip service to the Democratic Party and it's progressive base. Reid, Pelosi, Nelson (both of 'em), Baucus, et al - start packing.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
And the Hon. Dennis Kucinich. He's been in there doing the WORK for no fame, for how long?
"Representative Kucinich...you've seen a flying saucer...and you're running for president? HAHAHAHA!"
That's the thanks he got last time around.
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