Getting filibusters backwards

Wow.

During the July 17 edition of ABC’s Good Morning America, co-anchor Diane Sawyer falsely claimed that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) “vows to filibuster, talking all night to close out all topics besides a vote on Iraqi troop withdrawals.” […]

Additionally, on the July 16 edition of Fox News’ Special Report with Brit Hume, Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes asserted that Reid is “filibustering his own bill.”

Josh Marshall has been documenting just how irresponsible the media has been in neglecting to report on GOP filibusters, leading to widespread confusion as to why Congress isn’t passing legislation. Now, once the media finally brings itself to start introducing the word to the public, major news outlets get it backwards.

I can almost understand Barnes screwing this up, but Diane Sawyer has been a professional political correspondent in DC since 1978. Before that, she worked in two Republican White Houses. She must know what a filibuster is, and she must realize that the Senate Democratic leadership hopes to defeat a filibuster, not engage in one.

Part of the point behind tonight’s efforts in the Senate is to bring greater awareness to Republicans’ tactics and GOP obstructionism, particularly on Iraq policy. It looks like there are some reporters who stand to learn a few things.



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War is Peace.
Up is Down.
Hate is Love.
Black is White.
WTF do I know.

Diane, a professional? Maybe in her dreams.

I could taste bile after the congress vote for the war on iraq. This means pretty much the end of the states as we know it and lieberman feels fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Sawyer's been sucking at the corporate teat for too long. Time to put the hack to bed. Sooo Saaadd.

"I can almost understand Barnes screwing this up, but Diane Sawyer has been a professional political correspondent in DC since 1978. Before that, she worked in two Republican White Houses. She must know what a filibuster is, and she must realize that the Senate Democratic leadership hopes to defeat a filibuster, not engage in one."

Of course she knows better, she's just doing her job as a Corporate Media hack to misinform the public. If it was a mistake, you wouldn't see it cropping up all over the Corporate Media all at once. I expect Russert and Tweety will be jumping on this backwards bandwagon soon enough along with the rest of the overpaid talking heads.

This is not surprising to me. It seems many people do not understand what a filibuster is or how it works, nor do they understand what impeachment is and how it works. But I do think these MSM asswipes do know they are misleading the average Joe Strait.

What they're doing is called LYING. This is the same garbage that FOX pulled when they "accidentally" told the country that Mark Foley was a democrat.

The truth hurts, so they report the exact opposite.

Again the EXTREME RIGHT WING MAIN STREAM MEDIA(ERWMSM) here to keep our citizens informed. Do you 29% get it yet?

I wonder how long before the repubs or one of their water carriers try to compare themselves to Mr Smith (as in Goes to Washington).

The Media is so used to the Repubs screaming about fillibuster, they automatically assume Dems are behind it. Besides it's ABC and they suck anyway.

WOW. I was reading Micah Marshall's DOCUMENTING of this phenomena--the ONE Reuters example-- and I think you crazy cool cats are really on to something! Damn Conservative Media! I mean CORPORATE Media! Damn them!

Also: lets not forget how Democratic filibustering of judicial appointments (among other issues of concern) never failed to be highlighted by MSM outlets. Normally then followed by the question of the week, "are Dems. being unnecessarily obstructionist?"

sawyer was she the broken down old GOP showgirl in the big dick nixon white house

They only READ what the corporations put in front of them. They don't actually THINK about what they are saying. For us to even believe for a second that our talking heads deserve any credit for anything they say is utterly preposterous. Full blame for this blatant propaganda lies at the feet of our constantly consolidating corporations. Oh look, Murdoch bought The WSJ and Dow Jones. Just great.

I think the Dems are doing the right thing, not sure what it will accomplish, but I like anything that causes disruption in the Repub. status quo.

these journalists and fake news crap are apparently being paid to misrepresent what is happening on the filibuster. just one more example of the desparate position the gop and the repugs are in and this kind of tactic is not unexpected.

fuck diane and fuck fox fake noice crap

Why insist that this misnomer is due to ignorance as opposed to deception?

Diane Sawyer damn well knows better. Diane Sawyer is a liar.

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Hasn't the last 6 years taught you anything? The media has been irresponsible in EVERYTHING!!!

Good thing the MSM isn't covering this, otherwise we might be well informed! Whhheeeeeeeew!
Crap....
:/

Re: Sawyer & FOX spin on the meaning of this filibuster they're trotting out the old theme:

"When you are blatantly called on your trip, SMEAR THE CAMERA LENS WITH VASELINE".

Watch the GOP spin machine kick into high gear. Anything it takes to spin the GOP obstructionism into obstructionism by the Dems. Projection of their own faults writ large.

AConfederacyofDunces Why insist that this misnomer is due to ignorance as opposed to deception?

Diane Sawyer damn well knows better. Diane Sawyer is a liar.

I would rather believe it was ignorance, Because deception would imply something worse.
Really don't know though. Maybe you're right.

http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3052660

Link to the feedback for ABC news/GMA. I just left them a rather forceful, "you make me sick with your purposeful misleading of the public" kind of message. Let's swamp them:)

I would rather believe it was ignorance, Because deception would imply something worse.
Really don’t know though. Maybe you’re right.

Richard, they get it too wrong too often. I can't go along with "oh, this is stupid policy", or "they got it wrong" anymore.
These policies/positions/statements are not stupid when held in the context of the payoff on the back end.

Disheartening, I agree.

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LIEberman just started talking on c-span!

Who get the cot next to Barbara Boxer? That's what I want to know! CHOMP!
.

ABC and Fox aren't alone in spinning this for the Republicans. Take a Look at this from McClatchy:

Senate Democrats plan faux filibuster to pressure Republicans on Iraq

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/18016.html

This is a coordinated Corporate Media hatchet job.

"Today's Diane Sawyer,
Mean, mean bitch,
modern day whore-ier
of the filibuster switch"

With all apologies to Neal Peart...

Liarman makes me want to puke. I've got to change the channel. He even sounds like the weasel he is. Now he is exhorting us to go to Iran!!!! AAARGH!!!

fuck lieberman!! Let that smuch sleep on the damn floor with a sleeping bag!!
i mean after all its good enough for folks that had evacuate thier homes in times of a ermergncy,, isint whats happing in Iraq (pronounced E-raq ) the same thing? or what happend to the folks in greesburg kansas? or the the folks in the gulf states after katrina slammed em?

STOP with the pampering of PUBLIC OFFICER holders!! they were elected by the public to uphold the laws. Enough with making sure thier whims are taken care of first as you and mine are over looked!!!

AConfederacyofDunces @ 19:

Why insist that this misnomer is due to ignorance as opposed to deception?

Diane Sawyer damn well knows better. Diane Sawyer is a liar.

...

at the very least

Samuel Abram Today’s Diane Sawyer,
Mean, mean bitch,
modern day whore-ier
of the filibuster switch”

With all apologies to Neal Peart…

He would be proud.

The right-wing news/entertainment operation, ABC/Disney, don't have the foggiest idea how to deal with the FACT that the Democratic Party "suddenly" represents THE MAJORITY in this country.

Look at what George Stephanopolis did on Sunday: a whole hour with NO MAJORITY OPINION on This Week!

Listen to the Bullshit-SPIN over Al Qaeda this week... this is a BLOOD FIGHT for accurate information in this country...

thank the internet gods for web sites like Crooks and Liars.

Lieberman...this supposedly highly moral man, this non-partisan figure, this passionate pontificator on "values" ....

In a memorable exchange on NBC's Meet the Press on April 25, 1999, at the height of NATO's onslaught on Yugoslavia, Pat Buchanan questioned Lieberman on the bombing of CIVILIAN targets in Serbia.

Lieberman had no answer other than to urge US escalation: "I hope the air campaign, even if it does not convince Milosevic to order his troops out of Kosovo, will so devastate his economy, which it's doing now, so ruin the lives of his people, that they will rise up and throw him out."

Terrorizing civilians, destroying their economy, ruining their lives so as to get them to change their government is a war crime. That’s the Lieberman approach to foreign policy.

We need to fear people like Lieberman.

You're giving too much credit to Diane Sawyer. Come on, she's been part of that fluff news/entertainment morning show for so many years she clearly must've forgotten pretty much what 'real' news looks like, and that includes political news. She's dumbed down considerably since her 60 Minutes days. She got that filibuster thing wrong because she's a dolt, and probably doesn't check her own copy anymore, has some lackey do it, who clearly is also a dunce. that's the explanation.

How much did the GOP pay these pinheads to frame the debate for them? And they say the media is liberal!

SnowballABC and Fox aren’t alone in spinning this for the Republicans. Take a Look at this from McClatchy:

Senate Democrats plan faux filibuster to pressure Republicans on Iraq

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom.....18016.html

This is a coordinated Corporate Media hatchet job.

I don't think anybody in the media knows what Fillibuster means. That, or they are all against us.

/not a conspiracy nut
//strange though(not for FOX)

MamaLynn @ 25:

http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3052660

Link to the feedback for ABC news/GMA. I just left them a rather forceful, "you make me sick with your purposeful misleading of the public" kind of message. Let's swamp them:)

Thanks for website. I too dropped them a
"heated" email and I hope others will do likewise.

natas @ 15:

sawyer was she the broken down old GOP showgirl in the big dick nixon white house

I have to say that as contemporaries, I have admired Diane for all that she has accomplished through the years and I forgave her for getting so chummy with Nixon but I figured this was where she cut her journalistic teeth in the political arena. I do believe tho that she is just presenting what she's been directed to.

Follow the money. I'm sure you've heard of the Skulls & Bones (altho I have a feeling that this subject has been "Edited by Siteowner"). No dout there are a number of various factions at work, most probably don't know about the others but for sure there are those working in collusion or symbiotically. All this shit happening isn't by accident that's for sure.

The Repigs are the masters and purveyors of disinformation and the spineless Dems seem to be complicit. I mourn for our country.

Time to rename it Lieberman's War.

Judging from his speech tonight, he has embraced it with his whole being.

A Richard Head @ 39:

SnowballABC and Fox aren’t alone in spinning this for the Republicans. Take a Look at this from McClatchy:

Senate Democrats plan faux filibuster to pressure Republicans on Iraq

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom.....18016.html

This is a coordinated Corporate Media hatchet job.

I don't think anybody in the media knows what Fillibuster means. That, or they are all against us.

/not a conspiracy nut
//strange though(not for FOX)

Conspiracy theory has nothing to do with it. The Corporate Media has a vested finacial interest in the political fortunes of the Republican party and its ideology of corporate deregulation. Follow the money. If you think otherwise, you haven't been paying attention for at least the last 12 years.

After days of calling this a possible "marathon debate" on every single news outlet and now a democrat filibuster, there is absolutely no doubt this is a mainstream attack on the truth. I have been checking in on CNN, MSNBC, & ABC throughout the day, I have yet to see it correctly framed.

I did finally see CNN correct the Obama donor flap. He has been counting everyone who buys a hat, bumper sticker or pin as a donor. This has caused accusations of inflated donor numbers repeated throughout the day. This is required by law because the money goes into his campaign coffers. Of course they correct it at 10:30 PM.

Why aren't the Democrats calling loudly that the American people demand an up or down vote on the occupation of Iraq? It's what the Reptilescum party would have said.

Again, I have to ask the Ct. voters...."Are you happy and proud that you
elected Joe LIE=berman to represent you?". What a prick

MamaLynn @ 27:

LIEberman just started talking on c-span!

I'm watching him. Somebody, get him to a dentist! And, more importantly, somebody put a sock in his mouth. What a scumbag.

The media, Diane Sawyer, and all of her cronies have been aiding and abeting this criminal administration.

The media is ruined. Conspiracies don't even have to take place... places like CNN kowtow just because Fox News will call them names and hurt their image.

Buying The War pretty much exposes how dead mass media journalism is

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

Snowball @ 45:

Why aren't the Democrats calling loudly that the American people demand an up or down vote on the occupation of Iraq? It's what the Reptilescum party would have said.

The majority of the Ameican people have already said they want an "up or down" vote,
but "we the people" have not written the procedural laws in the U.S. Senate, so really
have no say in how they proceed..

Doggiebobo @ 49:

Snowball @ 45:

Why aren't the Democrats calling loudly that the American people demand an up or down vote on the occupation of Iraq? It's what the Reptilescum party would have said.

The majority of the Ameican people have already said they want an "up or down" vote,
but "we the people" have not written the procedural laws in the U.S. Senate, so really
have no say in how they proceed..

I am, of course, referring directly to the rhetoric the Republicans employed in the fight over Bush's far right judicial nominees.

Countdown sucks when Keith is out! David Shuster should be his fill in because the usual replacement either can't handle serious topics or the producers dumb it down for her. Anyone know what his special assignment was this evening?

Let me see, Lie-berman is now saying we must stay in Iraq until mid-year 2008, or
another 9 or 10 months, so that means that only about 900 or 1,000 more of our
military personnal will die and another 5,600 will be wounded. You fucker, I wish
you were young enough to serve and I'd personally deliver you to the front-line.

Uh, Doggiebobo

I am, of course, referring directly to the rhetoric the Republicans employed in the fight over Bush's far right judicial nominees. Back then, if you'll recall, Republicans threatened to abolish the fillibuster.

SnowbalA Richard Head @ 39:

SnowballABC and Fox aren’t alone in spinning this for the Republicans. Take a Look at this from McClatchy:

Senate Democrats plan faux filibuster to pressure Republicans on Iraq

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom…..18016.html

This is a coordinated Corporate Media hatchet job.

I don’t think anybody in the media knows what Fillibuster means. That, or they are all against us.

/not a conspiracy nut
//strange though(not for FOX)

Conspiracy theory has nothing to do with it. The Corporate Media has a vested finacial interest in the political fortunes of the Republican party and its ideology of corporate deregulation. Follow the money. If you think otherwise, you haven’t been paying attention for at least the last 12 years.

12 years? It's been going on since Nixon. When he resigned I was watching the broadcast on rabbit ears. That's how long this shit has been going on. The media made him out to be a "Saint" that had lost his way. Very rarely mentoned that he would have been Impeached otherwise.

My point is, I don't believe(in this case) that anyone in the Media(except Olberman) knows the meaning of the word or they just got it screwed up.
Doesn't excuse shitty reasearch though. And I'm not defending them either.

Alot longer that 12 years.

Snowball @ 53:

Uh, Doggiebobo

I am, of course, referring directly to the rhetoric the Republicans employed in the fight over Bush's far right judicial nominees. Back then, if you'll recall, Republicans threatened to abolish the fillibuster.

Gotcha ya...and I agree.

The corps must be paying these anchors huge bucks to seel their souls and act so stupid.

FINALLY! He shut the hell up. Now Sherrod's up. He needs to slow down and milk the clock like Liarman did though...he is talking too fast...

Cute. Reuters is calling it a "procedural roadblock", by the dems.

Twenty2FINALLY! He shut the hell up

That's exactly what my wife said. Hahaha

54 A Richard Head

You're correct, it has been going on for a long time. It's just gotten especially virulent since the Reagan years when they got rid of the Fairness Doctrine. Then it really escalated into naked right wing partisanship during the Clinton years. If it happens once, it could be a mistake, when it happens systematically, you can be pretty sure it isn't.

The media is only as Liberal as the ones who own it.

They gave Edward R. Murrow a hard time too during the McCarthy hearings too.

Good night and good luck.

Samuel Abram @ 30:

"Today's Diane Sawyer,
Mean, mean bitch,
modern day whore-ier
of the filibuster switch"

You know her mouth is up for rent,
Just put her down as ignorant.
To her lies I take offense,
Misreporting the days events.
The horror

Can we get a clip of Sawyer saying that? Do we know if she corrected herself then or later?

Can it be any more evident that the SCLM has an agenda, and it is driven by Shrubbie and his band of wankers?

All of the comments on this site complaining that the Democrats don't have a spine is the result of people believing the MSM conservative spin. Of course most of the MSM targets the Democrats and underreports the activities of the Republicans, who are currently earning the dividends in the form of the public's low approval of Congress.

It amazes me how many liberals can simultaneously acknowledge the huge bias of most of the MSM and be ultra critical of Republican dirty tricks, while repeating the Republican spoon fed lies about the Democrats.

the media love to act as a PR firm for the repubs

Diane Sawyer belongs in prison just as much as the rest of the corrupt Republican party does. The MSM has been the main propaganda tool for the RNC for decades now, and when the people finally take back their government, they will not forgive such as Diane Sawyer.

Department Of “Oops”: The Media Screws Up

On the GOP filibuster story. Accuracy, shmaccuracy...
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Sawyer was a favorite in the Nixon whitehouse and carried the handle 'the girl who tried to stab nixon' ... I wont bother to explain.

Have you read John Deans book Conservatives without conscience? I suggest you do ... it is about Diane Sawyer.

The other linguistic piece of reporting that always ticks me off is when they report that the Congress voted to sustain a veto. The more accurate way to report it is that the Congress failed to override the veto.

Bob Roberts I agree, and I'll tell you how I see it. The Democrats have been, since January, painting a nice picture of just how screwed up the Republicans are. Each bill or procedure is another brush stroke on the painting. Enough brush strokes and you finish it.
I'm not sure who sets the agenda for the Dems. but he's doing a heck of a job(no pun intended) at it. Everything the wingnuts shoot down is one more nail in the coffin for 08 and the future.
The Dems have a spine, it's just been years since they have been able to use it.

Politics have never been more Politcal than they are today.(not mine, but true)

Diane Sawyer is the new Judy Woodruff.

Unfortunately, liberals always (at least to me) seem less unified than conservatives. (Presumably liberals have more idealists). The Democratic opposition to the Republicans is constantly hindered by the media and by fratricidal attacks from the left.

redratio1 @ 28:

Who get the cot next to Barbara Boxer? That's what I want to know! CHOMP!
.

That would be Joe Lieberman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDKl3oRU0g

Bob Roberts The Democratic opposition to the Republicans is constantly hindered by the media and by fratricidal attacks from the left.

You hit that on the nail head my friend. If we (the Democrats) had half of the cohesion that the Republicans have we would be a force. Unfortunately most Liberals are Individualist and not the types to just follow along, like the Authoritarians on the right.

The media mischaracterizations aside, it is refreshing and encouraging to see the Democrats grow a set of balls this week, first with Sen. Jim Webb's takedown of Lindsey Graham on Meet the Press, and now with Harry Reid forcing the Republican senators to stay up late tonight and publicly defend George Bush's Iraq War. Hopefully we will see more of this muscular stance by the Democrats in Congress, standing up to Bush and Republicans and proudly articulating their own plans on the Iraq War.

natas @ 15:

sawyer was she the broken down old GOP showgirl in the big dick nixon white house

Correction: sawyer SHE IS the broken down old GOP showhorse in the big dick nixon white house

[...] On the GOP filibuster story. Accuracy, shmaccuracy... [...]

Wow, I hope those still up got to see/hear Senator Menedez from N.Jersey.
He was outstanding..

Diane Sawyer has been a conservative worker bee her whole career. Her reporting has alwas been carefully crafted to give the conservative point of view. She is so good, so attractive, so elegant, she may be a creation of CIA.

When is everyone who reads these blogs finally going to realize the MSM works for the Republican Party. It's pretty obvious to you all by now. Right? Now the question is: What are we going to do about it?

Its just unbelievable. The MSM must have been completely bought out by the corporatists and republicans. There is just no other way to explain how complicit the MSM is in repeating the repuke talking points, unless maybe there has been a "firesale" on lobotomies.

To bad you didn't read your own story the point is she worked in two previous republican white houses she is now part of the OBSTRUCTIONIST tactics to stall and minimize the efforts of the Congress and the Democratic Senate. The OBSTRUCTIONISTS on the right talking directions from the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTEE(RNC) and the FASCIST NEOCONs' are doing everything in there power to try and contain this.

The ANTI AMERICAN PARTY that is the republicans who despise and HATE AMERICANS and what they stand for are showing their true colous. They even have the CONGRESSIONAL KKK going full tilt to through diversion on this topic.

Remember last year when these OBSTRUCTIONISTS wanted a UP and DOWN VOTE that the way it should be according to them any way notice how these GUTLESS,SPINELESS, COWARDS and TRAITORS are lying, twisting and manipulating the news now, THESE COWARDS are like the wh. SPINELESS.

Quit telling them what you are going to do and just do it. Remember you are warding off another country invasion that Iraq is the cover for. Anybody keeping a eye on BLACKWATER.

is it any wonder the dip shits who watch these idiots don't know anything about how their government works? But, no, I'm sure it's all just a coincidence.

A Richard Head @ 74:

Bob Roberts The Democratic opposition to the Republicans is constantly hindered by the media and by fratricidal attacks from the left.

You hit that on the nail head my friend. If we (the Democrats) had half of the cohesion that the Republicans have we would be a force. Unfortunately most Liberals are Individualist and not the types to just follow along, like the Authoritarians on the right.

That is the problem, people dont understand what is happening.

Our system isnt supposed to work like that. You are NOT describing the system created by the founders. We are supposed to be represented by elected officials who serve the interests of the state and congressional districts - two state wide senators and one congressman for your district. Three people.

The system is currently a hybrid between a politburo and the ancient roman senate. It is broken - I think beyond repair.

Even you are taking the same stance as the republicans - them or us - my team over their team. That is how it is currently working and IT IS NOT CORRECT. Our system was designed for coalitions between districts and states with similar interests independentof parties. The truth is, our system was never meant to have parties.

This is not a representative government. Whether you like it or not - you elect people to serve the party on a nation level - democrats and republicans. Neither party serves you, your district or your state.

Its party warfare because it has become about the party - just like the old soviet union.

Re: Comment #1 Cheesesause says:

War is Peace.
Up is Down.
Hate is Love.
Black is White.
WTF do I know.

and not immediately capitulating to a threat by a bully to filibuster, and forcing the filibuster-threatening bully to "Put up, or shut up", is to "filibuster".

Then let's continue to filibuster the fuck outta the filibusterers. Whatever, and then impeach the shit out of the whole lot of gasbags.

Diane Sawyer is a Nixon airhead.

anon That is the problem, people dont understand what is happening.

Our system isnt supposed to work like that. You are NOT describing the system created by the founders. We are supposed to be represented by elected officials who serve the interests of the state and congressional districts - two state wide senators and one congressman for your district. Three people.

The system is currently a hybrid between a politburo and the ancient roman senate. It is broken - I think beyond repair.

Even you are taking the same stance as the republicans - them or us - my team over their team. That is how it is currently working and IT IS NOT CORRECT. Our system was designed for coalitions between districts and states with similar interests independentof parties. The truth is, our system was never meant to have parties.

This is not a representative government. Whether you like it or not - you elect people to serve the party on a nation level - democrats and republicans. Neither party serves you, your district or your state.

Its party warfare because it has become about the party - just like the old soviet union.

You may very well be right but the way you sound we will wake up in the morning and there will be some sort of Utopia. Where all the political problems we face will be gone. I have been around long enough to know that's not how it works. You take the party you have and fight the fight with it. Just because you want change doesn't mean you abandon your party until something better comes along. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. If you chose that road, the party you support will never win an election(that was our problem for years, and still is) . At least the party you support has some interest in your values. The alternative sucks(repub victory) so you go with what you got. Once your party is in charge, then you work toward change.It's sort of difficult to have change when we can not win elections.

IMO that's what makes the wingnuts a tough party to beat at election time. Cohesion. That or there is a lot of stupid people out there(probably true).

And as far as "represented by elected officals". Be real. we know better than that(unless you're rich) not one politican can really understand our problems, anymore than we can understand theirs. But, that will never change no matter what we do, so I would rather have a bad Democrat than ANYRepublican.

/but that's just me
//to each his own, as long as it's a Dem.that's elected.

A Richard Head @ 88:

anon That is the problem, people dont understand what is happening.

Our system isnt supposed to work like that. You are NOT describing the system created by the founders. We are supposed to be represented by elected officials who serve the interests of the state and congressional districts - two state wide senators and one congressman for your district. Three people.

The system is currently a hybrid between a politburo and the ancient roman senate. It is broken - I think beyond repair.

Even you are taking the same stance as the republicans - them or us - my team over their team. That is how it is currently working and IT IS NOT CORRECT. Our system was designed for coalitions between districts and states with similar interests independentof parties. The truth is, our system was never meant to have parties.

This is not a representative government. Whether you like it or not - you elect people to serve the party on a nation level - democrats and republicans. Neither party serves you, your district or your state.

Its party warfare because it has become about the party - just like the old soviet union.

You may very well be right but the way you sound we will wake up in the morning and there will be some sort of Utopia. Where all the political problems we face will be gone. I have been around long enough to know that's not how it works. You take the party you have and fight the fight with it. Just because you want change doesn't mean you abandon your party until something better comes along. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. If you chose that road, the party you support will never win an election(that was our problem for years, and still is) . At least the party you support has some interest in your values. The alternative sucks(repub victory) so you go with what you got. Once your party is in charge, then you work toward change.It's sort of difficult to have change when we can not win elections.

IMO that's what makes the wingnuts a tough party to beat at election time. Cohesion. That or there is a lot of stupid people out there(probably true).

Not a utopia - a nightmare. By electing people that are running to serve the party you will perpetuate the problem of elected officials serving the party and not you. Pretending that there is no problem and playing the game to win will not fix the problem.

Party power must be checked - both parties - to fix the party. A wise post was made several days ago in which it was said that given the federal corruption - of design and purpose - the main line of defense might the the states Attorney General in holding elected state officials (who serve in washington) accountable to the state and its citizens. This is likely an area that Karl Rove hasnt perverted yet. If a 'movement' could be started at the state level independent of political party to bring the authority and power of the states to bear on state officials its possible that change could be accomplished.

An example might be - here in Arizona - the impeachment movement against Senator McCain. A state based movement that could have significant national impact. And for example, while Randal Cunningham was prosecuted by federal prosecutors, I'm not entirely certain that he couldnt have been prosecuted by California - the state Attorney General. This isnt about one party or the other - its about breaking the back of the usurping influence of national political parties. Which replace you as the constituent of the elected official.

hallelujah #82, glad someone said it.

A Richard Head @ 89:

And as far as "represented by elected officals". Be real. we know better than that(unless you're rich) not one politican can really understand our problems, anymore than we can understand theirs. But, that will never change no matter what we do, so I would rather have a bad Democrat than ANYRepublican.

/but that's just me
//to each his own, as long as it's a Dem.that's elected.

I was a delegate for Mo Udall when he ran for president. You would be surprised how 'thin' the process is. You speak of politicians as if they were born to it. Trust me in this ... the main reason they get away with most of what they get away with is most people dont show up to the various meetings. The small number that do - and it is small - decide things. Sad but true. I wish it was mandatory that people had to attend a townhall (or equivalent) a few times a year and that various meetings of importance were televised.

At my alma mater (UofA) each year - while I was there - they ran a candidate for student body president named Dr. No, a nilist anarchist - in theory. (He was a fictional and sarcastic candidate) His campaign slogan was 'no vote is a vote for no'. And each year more people didnt vote than voted and he was elected by a landslide.

Anon and Richard,
Fantastic dialogue going on here, refreshing to see in that it is the heart of the matter.

Richard, I agree with our need to continue to vote even for a bad democrat until the state rep corruption is healed at their point of origin, ie., as is happening with impeaching McCain in AZ.
This is an experiment that seems a fair approach that depends also on the myriad factors of rampant corruption that dems are attempting to systematically correct.
But it is so, so broken. So corrupt and grotesque.
Of greatest concern is the death-grip the republicans now have on our country that is so unprecedented, that hang on a whisper as long as a democrat is in office, then cave in to disaster the minute another repub takes office or the house or the senate. Even should our next president be a dem as we have seen with Clinton, the repubs will distract and bedevil that president away from the job the people brought him/her to office to do. I also suspect that president will experience something far worse than Clinton with repug's rape of the impeachment process. Next time a repug steals their way into office, we can kiss our hopes goodbye because any cooperation/reason is a thing of the past. and so,

because the system is so bereft of boundaries to protect us I have to go with Anon's vision. It seems the right one and the only one given the level of threat we are under with this rogue gov't that will not go away.
We need an utter shakedown of this system from WITHOUT. Nothing less will solve anything. Nothing.

Friend of Oprah. Spend money ..be dumb on losing your country to corporations/fascists. I've got mine. Maybe you should think positive and not be so poor and nappy headed.

It is time to start calling this government and the media that represent it what they really are, fascist. Corporations own the the politicians and the media. That is fascism by definition. This is a loaded term, so a lot of us shy away from it -that is a major weakness! We have to put them in the defensive position of explaining why they are not fascists - like we have had to defend "creeping socialism", "socialized medicine" and the like.

Words matter and fascist shills like tweety and Sawyer know that. Al the most effective propaganda has been on the other side and we have been losing our freedom inch by inch.

Lets make them explain why our torture policies are better than Hitler's. Why it's better for the media to be controlled by the right-wing nuts here than it was in 1930s Germany. Why arbitrary arrest is better here than when the Stormtroopers did it.

We have been on the defensive since the seventies - how well do you think that has worked for us?

MSNBC is getting in on this action too. Check out their lead story right here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19797695/

The very first sentence starts off with "Senate Democrats staged an all-night debate on the Iraq war in a dramatic attempt to wear down Republicans who refuse to vote to begin to bring troops home by fall."

It is just technically factual enough to be considered accurate but worded so that it sounds like the Dems are doing the filibustering. Is this what Colbert means by "truthiness?"

Bob Roberts @ 64: All of the comments on this site complaining that the Democrats don't have a spine is the result of people believing the MSM conservative spin...

Broadbrush much? People are so weak minded here they can`t form an opinion of their own? Your holier than thou attitude comes through a lot on your posts... hey, but what do I know?...I just believe the spin.

Funny:

Here's what Reid wanted. He knew that he didn't have enough votes for a quorum; he only has 49 Democrats available, with Tim Johnson's disability. Reid counted on Republicans forcing an end to the session by having a single member present to challenge for a quorum. No votes could take place without one, including the instruction motion to the Sergeant-at-Arms to arrest recalcitrant members and drag them back to the chamber. That would have allowed Reid and the Democrats to accuse Republicans of dodging the debate, calling them cowards to take the spotlight off of their insistence on retreat.

Many expected the Republicans to do just that, but it turns out that Mitch McConnell is a little smarter than Harry Reid. Instead of denying Reid a quorum, the Republicans showed up for the debate, perhaps charged up by John McCain's earlier speech on the floor. Once Reid figured out that the Republicans would not give him the satisfaction of walking out the door, he caved. In fact, Reid didn't even bother to attend his own No Snooze Until We Lose party after the first instruction motion, choosing to hit the sack instead while Republicans took the podium all night long.

The cloture vote has been scheduled for around 11 am this morning. The overnight session has done nothing except to annoy Republicans into a more unified caucus, and to make Harry Reid look like a fool. One might have expected a Senator from Nevada to recognize a busted flush when he saw it.

evet: The Republicans who took the floor to defend a lame and disastrous policy will be remembered come November. Reid wasn't expecting them to fade away. He offered them a hobson's choice: chicken out and run away so people will know you don't have the guts to stand up for what you believe OR stand up for what you believe so that people will know that you do not stand for anything resembling what they (the people) want.

[...] and analyze whether this was his intention all along, and the whether the lipservice about fighting the Republican’s filibuster was just [...]

I.P. @ 97:

I just believe the spin.

You should stop believing the spin.

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