December 04, 2007 11:30 PM
Open Thread
War on Christmas: Special Forces Edition....
Pastor Dan at Street Prophets is running his "Why I hate Christmas" contest again this year.
Dark for Darfur is trading tacky Christmas lights for international activism.
And A Common Good Christmas is a website by people of faith who have no faith in consumerism or Fox News cultural shenanigans.
Open Thread below. Oh, and Happy Zappadan.




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Why the hell does Billo want to make Christmas a political issue?
Billo makes 8 figures and he has his senior citizen shut in viewers having panic attacks over a Coca Cola created holiday
jr @ 3:
Christmas is not a Coca Cola created holiday.
Won't SOMEONE put Impeachment back on the table?
On the first day of Christmas foxnews have to me:
A Ranting Billo loony....
Stanley Rosenthal @ 1:
Hi Stan!!!! How are you?
If I am my blog, not very well. Still waiting on a first comment. ;-)
I said Happy Hanukkah to a Jewish customer at the store I work at. I hope it gave Bill an aneurysm.
Full of shit is the norm.
Remember those old bumper stickers, "Kill Your Television"? Kill your TV and you've Killed Bill. Rent Netflix instead.
Hillary's losing her lead in New Hampshire. Bowling for Omaha.
Shhh! Bill! Loose Lips Sink Ships!
Don't you know there's a WAR on?
CD @ 4:
This message brought to you by your local Pepsi bottler.
Tequila @ 11:
Hillary: The Unbeloved.
Ah Bill's war on Christmas. They say the day he thought of this shtick his heart grew three sizes. It is now visible with a scanning electron microscope.
crazytown @ 14:
She's getting facial cramps trying to be all those different people.
I followed a link last year to a place called annotatedrant.com. If you go there, you will find the holy grail of Christmas rants. The site is very simple, and hardly ever changes, but it is so awesomely inspired, I return to it frequently. After you read the Christmas rant, I'll bet you read all the others.
Merry Freekin' Yacksmas
Stanley Rosenthal @ 8:
Wait no longer. :)
St.Peter: "Get back in line Billo, I've been waiting for you for a long time. Now stand over the square over there."
Thats Billo, a cross and a gun. Merry christmas...
"I'm just trying to protect the baby Jesus" _Billo Reilly
Bill is boring.
Can anyone remember the movie and the name of the movie about how to be an adulterer?
There was a scene with Sid Ceasar where his wife walks in on him in their bedroom naked with another woman gets dressed. They both get up, get dressed, she leaves and he pretends nothing happened.
Reminds me of Bush and the National Intelligence Estimate.
Stanley Rosenthal @ 8:
Xoites got there first! lol
Billo Paddy asks, where's my Christmas falafel?
LibertyLover @ 23:
At least i didn't say, "First!"
xoites defends Constitution @ 22:
You don't mean "Where Were You When the Lights Went Out" do you?
xoites defends Constitution @ 25:
Or Frist ;)
CD @ 4:
I'm sure the poster is talking about the commercial aspects - like how Rudolph the Red-Noised Reindeer was created by Montgomery Ward. And how decorating a Christmas tree was made popular in American by Queen Victoria.
But Christmas is a made-up holiday. Hopefully it won't break your heart to know that Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th. Most likely, he would be appalled at the way most people celebrate his "birthday" anyway. And I'm glad to see Christians finally saying something about it.
You can buy beehives, cows, or chicks for the person who has everything, but the animals/bees are given to people in undeveloped nations (in the the person's name).
http://www.heifer.org/site/?c=edJRKQNiFiG&b=204586&msource=ZMY03WPOE
LibertyLover @ 26:
I really don't know. I can't remember. That should either drive me crazy or qualify me to head the Justice Department.
Sarah @ 28:
Hmmm. Have to question the Queen Victoria introducing the Christmas Tree to America... QV wasn't born until 1819 --- I thought the Hessians brought the trees to America during the War for Independence. Perhaps you are talking about a Decorated tree?
xoites defends Constitution @ 22:
The movie was A Guide For The Married Man which featured Sid Ceasar, but it was Joey Bishop's character who was caught in bed with another woman by his wife -- whereupon he calmly puts on his clothes, straightens up the room, and quietly responds to his wife's outrage by saying "What bed? What girl?"
Good analogy though!
>> At least i didn’t say, “First!”
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> Or Frist ;-)
ROFLMAO!!!! ThanX yous guys!
Leon @ 32:
Thanks a lot! Now i will never be Attorney General! :)
I'm still waiting for someone to show me where the Jesus told anyone to celebrate his birthday at all, much less in fucking December. If you can't produce the psalm, the quote or any proof, .... shut the fuck up and crawl back up your own ass. I'm so sick of this shit. Go away. Your ignorance makes me cuss. If you require Walmart, Target, K-Mart or any other corporate shithole to endorse your religion, you have no religion, no faith and no soul. Bill O'Rielly is your god. Stupid shits.
If the USA made Bill O'Reilly put on a uniform and carry a gun he would pee in his pants and cry for his mommy.
Mel @ 29:
That looks like an excellent idea which should work well to enhance micro lending.
Jesus would have a war on Christmas if he saw what Billo and the corporations have done to it.
Tim @ 35:
I want to see where he asked us to put an icon of his dead carcass on our walls.
Jackie @ 36:
I don't think it is right to go into his personal sex life.
Merry Fucking Christmas, Douchbag.
I would like to wish all the virgins out there a Merry Fucking Christmas as well.
For Tim @ December 5th, 2007 at 9:34 PM - PST, Brave Combo: Christmas In July -
http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...
xoites defends Constitution @ 40:
his costuming is fairly uniform, he probably carries a gun, and his tv program is all about pissing his pants and crying for his mommy.
xoites defends constitution @ 22:
you are thinking of the delightful yet under-rating guide for the married man, starring a smarmy robert morse trying to convince a befuddled walter matthau that it's not only ethically accpetable but morally necessary to have an affair.
but for the war on xmas, skippy discovers an ezine piece which re-imagines santa as the center of the christ story: the passion of the claus.
Sarah @ 28:
All hollidays are "made up" to some degree.
The difference is assholes get a kick out of trying to "break your heart" by claiming to know the "real story" about the orgins of Christmas.
Ron @ 38:
Ain't that the truth.
Please - please - tell me that card is NOT for real. I really need to know that . . . .
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CD @ 46:
Most likely he was never born at all. Assuming for a moment that he was and he was all they claim him to have been; why can't Christians understand his message? Why do they spend their resources keeping the hierarchy of the churches (you know, the Catholics the Protestants and all the other Christian denominations who can't agree who Christ was and how to get into heaven) living in luxury which is most unChrist like?
xoites defends Constitution @ 48:
The meek shall inherit the earth.
Andrea Makris has your money billo.
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By the time they do there will not be much to inherit and those in power and with enough resources will have left.
Trittydi @ 50:
Not all of his money. They should take away all of his assets and future assets.
xoites defends Constitution @ 51:
Hello again xoites. At least the meek will know what to do with it when we inherit it, not like the greedy bastards that have most of the control now.
Ron @ 53:
I was listening to Marketplace on NPR today. Seems the rich are really getting into aquiring the world's finest art. Not for the sake of art, but for profit. They buy it to sell it. It has gotten so bad mere millionaires have been priced out of the market.
White House Reveals Bush Lied: Was Told In August Iran’s Nuclear Program ‘May Be Suspended’
xoites defends Constitution @ 54:
Yeah, it's billions or go f**k yourself.
Here is the link.
Dr. Matt @ 55:
Was Bush told the White House was going to put this out? Or are they just hoping (since he does not read the newspaper) that he won't notice. He is either incompetant or a liar. I think he is both, bit who listens to me?
When will impeachment come?
Ron @ 52:
Before or after his head explodes?
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GNA! I am goning to bed and fantasize about a fair election back in 2000. When i am done with that fantasy i am going to fantasize about a fair election in 2008.
> The meek shall inherit the earth.
"The meek shall inherit nothing
So eat that pork, Eat that Spam
Laugh 'till you choke on Billy Grahm" - Zappa
Why I hate Christmas:
Costco has had Christmas trees up since early September (I'm not kidding) and my local Safeway has had them up since mid-October. Two of my local radio stations play nothing but Christmas music. What is so f*cking special about that day?
Instead of asking this question, shouldn't we wondering if we aren't being blasphemous in the way we celebrate Christmas? The tree we put in our houses along with the holly and the mistletoe are pagan symbols. Wouldn't the person whose birth is celebrated on that day be a bit miffed at that? Never mind the inflated crap that adorns the lawns of so many of the pious during this season. Can't you Christians celebrate the birth of your saviour without all this? What happened to going to Mass on that day? Or are you too busy opening presents to be bothered? And if you don't go to Mass or any other type of religious service or believe that this is the birth of the Messiah, then why are you doing this?
This isn't an attack. Really! Rather an attempt to make those here who celebrate the day to consider why they are celebrating.
xoites defends Constitution @ 58:
As a result of his bullshit warmongering of the last six months, gas prices rose to record highs and the stock market took dive after dive....could herr dubyah be any more anti-American?
This is off the topic, but since this is an open thread, the Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) just concluded their national straw vote. The outcome was, with an approximate 15,000 sample population voting:
Denis Kucinich: 41% of the vote
John Edwards: 26%
Barak Obama: 13%
Hillary Clinton: 9%
Bill Richardson: 5%
Joe Biden: 3%
Chris Dodd: 1%
Mike Gravel: <1%
Details Here:
http://pdamerica.org/articles/news/2007-12-05-08-07-19-news.php
ecotopian @ 62:
Your Costco has had Christmas trees up since early September?
That's just wrong.
Listen, I was against the War on Christmas from the beginning but now that according to BillO, it is being waged, I think we have to forget our qualms and Support The Troops.
I was against the War on Christmas before I was for it.
"Don't cut and run from the War on Christmas." - Sam Seder
Paul @ 64:
It means we really want change, but I would put Edwards first. That is my choice.
Ron @ 68:
One must also remember that the elderly make up the single largest voting block and they aren't going to vote for a pseudo-socialist like Kucinich.
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone but it's true.
Oh yay. Christmas.
'Tis the season for binge drinking and family erosion, useless gifts and see-saw emotions, remembering why you skip the yearly reunion, credit card debt and parking lot collisions, music that makes you want to saw off your ears, BillO in uniform brings me to tears, the last-minute stampede so they know that you care, the price on relationships has never been so bare...
If I see you at Walmart, the teeth-gritting is cheer.
I'll wear my Santa hat while I'm chomping my holiday cigar and chainsawing zombies over the semester break.
Ho, ho, ho.
My holliday is going to be filled with uselful gifts, folk music, great food, snow, shot of booze with cousins, and snark about politics.
Ron @ 49:
"Spectator II: Hear that, blessed are the Greek!
Bearded Man: The Greek?
Spectator II: Hmm. Well, apparently he's going to inherit the earth.
Bearded Man: Did anyone catch his name?
Bignose's Wife: You're not gonna thump anybody!
Bignose: I'll thump him if he calls me "Bignose" again!
Wiseguy: Oh, shut up, Bignose!
Bignose: Ha, right! I warned you! I really will slug you! Sooo hard--
Bignose's Wife: Oh, it's the meek! Blessed are the meek! Oh, that's nice, innit? I'm glad they're getting something because they had a hell of a time. "
--[Money Python's Life of Brian]
I love Christmas. You get to set up an altar and worship a nice smelling tree, get drunk with your family (or at least be stuck with drunk family anyway), and spend a LOT of time waiting around in airports where everyone is paranoid and pissed off (bad) or a massive road trip in grueling conditions (good! builds character). I don't abide by the buying of cheap trinkets though (beyond the expected foodstuffs and wine, if you're invited to a dinner). That part is nonsense. You buy other people crap on your birthday, their anniversary, and valentine's day. That's enough for anyone. Christmas is for food, LOTS of food, family, and drink!
I learned SO many things during Christmas as a kid... like exactly how long I can hold off peeing when driving through Utah (the state used to close at 8pm sharp) and Arizona, 1001 ways to piss of kids and adults with snow, that tipsy 80 year olds can still kick ass at fast cribbage, and that my Dad is the worlds sneakiest cheater at any card game known to man. Also, that when you're old, 2 drinks your fun, 4 drinks your embarrassing... although technically not just a Christmas lesson. I'm sure I had trinkets but what I really remember was all that wonderful food! A dozen different main dishes at at least 30 different kinds of pies, cookies, chocolates, candies, and cakes -- all homemade! Perhaps because both my parents worked long hours, and we didn't have all that much fancy or homemade for suppers... in any case, the meals with extended family, helping in the prep and cleanup is what I remember most... (and the partying afterwards, of course)
A pagan feasting holiday. Good enough for me... I've NO idea why Christians think they own it, as that doesn't seem to be very Jesus-specific...
Christmas, for some, is the time of their happiest memory (KitH - Brain Candy)
Man ya'all are some fucked up people.
Don't you have any good memories of Christmas?
Christmas used to be one of my most favorite Holidays. Then this Ogre (Bill O Rielly) declared War on it.
I was astonished--crushed, and so afraid that I ran all the way to Thanksgiving to get away from it. Now I no longer feel the fear of the War on Christmas, because I don't bother venturing into Christmas anymore.
Bill O has brought nothing but suspicious darkness to December for ever.........Arbor day is more enjoyable now because of Billy.
CD @ 74:
Way to normalize. Would you like to borrow my family? Please? Not all of us had Ma and Pa Cleaver. Some of us had Robby the Robot and Mommy Dearest, but I'm only speaking for me.
> Don’t you have any good memories of Christmas?
Yeah, I was living in SLC and a couple of my cousins came there (to ski) and we found an open Pizza place (in Sandy) on Christmas eve. That's a great memory!!!!
Now that Jack Bauer is going away for 48 days for risking other people's lives driving at .08 blood alcohol, can someone at County see if they could strip him naked and put lightbulbs in his rear the way they did in Abu Ghraib?
Or maybe he'd like a drink of water to go with the booze.
I watch Bill thanks to Dad.
Can't tell what he's talking about.
Cause you can't shove a manger in every spare space or something
the Christians are under attack?
So Christmas won't happen?
What a rightwing paranoid.
O'Reilly is a Grinch who would love to sodomize a raindeer.
Sorry, reindeer.
Shouldn't O'Reilly live in a shoe?
(Proud American broke the email deletion thread. Can it be fixed?)
Paul in LA,
Better work tonight. Stick to your facts, pick your battles, don't get sidetracked or intimidated and above all don't eat your young for doing what they are supposed to do.
German Christ dems move towards the mid during their convention in Hannover
Charles, did it ever occur to you what the word 'troll' means?
Don't develop any arguments, just ask brief leading questions, and never reply except to troll some more hooks.
It's an old game.
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I posted this below in the broken email deletion thread. I think it's worth repeating:
supposedsuppost ?Little bit of french leaking out there.
Are we going to have to deal with this "war on Christmas" crap again this year?!?! For God's sake, give it a rest. Does anyone even listen to these luney tunes?
Nebraska boy just declared War on Christmas. He killed 9 at a shopping mall and committed suicide.
Xmas, so much to hate, so little time.
I'd like to spend xmas on a beautiful tropical island beach drinking umbrella drinks and inhaling happy smoke while listening to xmas classics played by a steal drum band.
F**k xmas, f**k the whole horrible gobbed up mess. The xians can have it.
I'm celebrating Zappadan.
I wish Bill O'Reilly were the first and last casualty in the "war" on Christmas.
It seems to me Fox News is waging a war on common sense. How come no one is reporting on that?????
Oh man, not this "War on Christmas" garbage again. Personally, I like to celebrate Christmas but that is just me. My family and I like to go to Christmas mass but that is once again, us. If someone else in the United States doesn't want to, doesn't believe in it, or wants to celebrate another holiday other than Christmas then so be it. Whatever their choice, it is their right. I bet if Bill O'Reilly had his way he would inspect every house in the United States and make sure that each one has a tree, presents, and other decorations up. This is not some "cultural" thing as O'Reilly claims. What O'Reilly presses for is no different than what the Mullahs in Iran do to their people.
Is anyone watching CFR neo-idiot Joe Klein on Morning Joe? What a douche bag. Everyone on this show (yes even Mika), minus Shuster is a mind numbing shill. Watching this show is like watching a disaster that escaped from the bowels of Phaux News. Somebody make it stop!
Arggg!
I got a reply back from Sen. Evan Bayh (D) - IN regarding telcom immunity. He's in favor of granting immunity to the businesses, he says its not their fault. He's a corporate whore like the rest of em.
CD @ 2:
Christmas is about shopping. Now GET outn there and shop!
That's an order!
Stanley Rosenthal @ 61:
Stanley, I think Frank had it right, you can't sit on your ass and expect God to deliver the goods to you.
The Meek will be eating dirt as long as they remain meek.
An inverse way of looking at the Meek:
Like is like a shit sandwich, the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.
OR
The sqeakey wheel gets the grease.
Radically Moderate @ 94:
liFe oops
Jesus = Jewish man with wife & kids, born in April
Christmas = Dec 25th Romans celebrated winter solstice along with the Scandinavians (pagan...oooohh), Sextus Julius Africanus popularized the idea that Christ was born on December 25 in his Chronographiai, a reference book for Christians written in AD 221.
Modern Day right wingnut christians = kill'em all, go shopping!
Daily Reading pt 1...
Brent Budowsky: The Greening of America - http://pundits.thehill.com/2007/12/05/the-greening-of-america/
Al Gore, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Chuck Hagel, Mike Bloomberg, Sam Nunn, General Electric, Coca-Cola, DuPont, Johnson & Johnson, Nike, British Airways, Wall Street firms, venture capitalists galore, the Nobel Peace Prize Committee and the armies of the progressive Internet are all part of the greening of America that will transform our politics and business in ways that will astonish and amaze those who are left behind.
Well, its a start at least: A U.S. Senate committee has passed landmark legislation aimed at combating global warming by limiting carbon dioxide emissions. The vote was timed to coincide with the U.N. conference on climate change taking place in Bali, Indonesia. The bill would set caps on U.S. greenhouse gas emissions from electric utility, transportation and manufacturing industries beginning in 2012 with the goal of cutting emissions 60 percent by 2050.
- http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-12-06-voa5.cfm
The Democratic-led Senate Environment and Public Works Committee voted 11 to eight, largely along party lines, to send the measure to the full Senate for what supporters hope will be action early next year.
"We are facing a crisis that will hit our children and our grandchildren the hardest if we do not act now. Not to act would be wrong, cowardly, and irresponsible," said Senator Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat, chairwoman of the committee.
James "wish I had a brain" Inhofe (R-OK) & many other Republicans oppose the legislation, saying it would increase energy costs and lead to job losses.
But co-sponsor Republican Senator John Warner of Virginia, who broke with many in his party to support the measure, offered a different view: "If we do not act, China and India will hide behind America's skirts of inaction and take no steps of their own. Therefore we simply have to lead," he said.
White House Reveals Bush Lied: Was Told In August Iran’s Nuclear Program ‘May Be Suspended’ - http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/bush-nie-lied/
What privatization of anything creates: CREW releases new report exposing massive failures and billions wasted at Dept. of Homeland Security - http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30548
Bush Adviser on Right-Wing Blogs: "They regurgitate exactly ... what you said to them." - http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/060389.php
Put this into the category of 'things even a 5 year old could figure out'....
New U.S. Spy Report on Iran a Humiliating Defeat for Cheney - http://www.skeeterbitesreport.com/2007/12/long-delayed-spy-report-on-ira...
Americans Are Uniting Against S 1959, But The Battle Isn’t Over Yet - http://justanothercoverup.com/?p=335
MUST READ: Mark Morford: Let us kill all the teddy bears (editorial about all religious extremism) - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/12/05/notes120507....
I think of Christopher Hitchens' terrific stunt of book, "God is Not Great," and also Richard Dawkins' excellent "The God Delusion," bestsellers both and both effortlessly revealing, by way of reason and scientific fact and sheer common sense, how organized religion has been, almost without fail, the single most successful impediment to mankind's true moral, spiritual and even political progress throughout history.
Daily Reading pt 2...
Right wingnut racism: White Backlash and the Right - http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/white_backlash_and_right?tx=3
Huckabee to install Baptist Christianity as U.S. official religion (gee bye, bye 1st amendment) - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071205/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_religion;_ylt=A...
Creationism - will be taught in schools....cool, all kids will be mindless, thoughtless test taking machines...should be great for US contribution to 'world economy' the con-servatives always talk about...
Here's a shocker: Dick Morris is Advising Huckabee - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/04/wuspols1...
Amy Goodman: The Dubious Mr. Dobbs - http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20071204_the_dubious_mr_dobbs/
Another CNN hypocrite
Waxman, Mukasey and 10 Million 'Missing' E-mails - http://citizensforethics.org/node/30550
Why the Pentagon Is Happy about the NIE - http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1691241,00.html
Edwards assails corporate Dems - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071205/ap_on_el_pr/edwards_adwatch;_ylt=Aq8...
Edwards Richardson 08
Tim @ 35:
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and the winner of the christmas rant is::::Tim!
way to go Tim, lots better than the one i had planned.
dang hit enter too soon. i was going to rant that christmas made me a bad kid because i was told that if i was good all year, santa would bring all kinds of goodies.
my dad stayed up late on xmas eve drunk and singing the davy crockett song. i din't get shit--as usual...and that very christmas i thought "hey, this is a bunch of crap". it was an even bigger bunch of crap when i went to school and saw the snot nose middle class shits with all their toys...grrr.
this is one reason adolesent girls shoplift--well was for me anyhow...thanks for the lifting skills santa you fat fuck.
I WANT THAT CARD!!!!!!!!!!!! THATS A RIOT!1!!1!eleven!!1
Tim @ 35:
This holiday was created by merchants to sell the "faithful" a bunch of crap they don't need! I travel over 1000 miles to be with my family and friends for the holidays, I don't buy them nuthin, and I get pissed if they buy me anything...I'm no xtian, but I don't think this holiday should be about material goods.
It should be about candy...and ham! ;)
MargeAggedon @ 88:
Hey, sounds like my neighborhood! That's it! Everyone, meet me at the tiki bar! MargeAggedon's buyin' the first round!
Stanley Rosenthal @ 77:
I had quite a few really kickass memories of Xmas...then I grew up, realized organized religion is bollocks, and xmas is about money and materialism...and ham!
Supposedly Jesus was born in the spring according to Biblical text experts based on what the shepherds were doing.
The story of the shepherds sounds like it's from Krishna, although there were other ranching gods.
The story of the wiseguys came from either Mithraism or the Sopranos.
The asherahs (Christmas Trees) were banned in the Bible.
Barbara Mandell was born on Dec. 25th too.
Merry Mandrell!
charles @ 85:
Does it burn REALLY bad when you french leak?
mouthyb @ 76:
Always seemed to me any kid named Beaver Cleaver was doomed to become a serial killing ax murderer.
CD @ 4:
Christmas is not a Coca Cola created holiday but a church holiday. You know "bring MORE MONEY".
Here's a warm X-mas moment for ya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA-HMqBQpQs
CD @ 74:
Yeah, of drinking whiskey with my cousins, and wishing Jesus was there to get hammered with us. Then, we'd go out back and do some rasslin' in the snow. (In my family we keep the fact that Jesus was a Jew, a secret. Wouldn't want pappy to get his gun out).
Jeez.
It appears nobody took my advice and went to http://www.annotatedrant.com.
You should really read the rant (read all of it).
Christmas stripped of it's trappings and made to dance naked in the snow. You'll love it. I wouldn't steer you wrong.
107 bill w
X-mas as we know it was due to the influence of Queen Victoria. Before her it was largely a drunken riot, that was then moved to New Years Eve. Most of the holiday practices came from Germany through Prince Albert. The X-mas tree, besides being like the Biblically banned asherahs, was also reminiscent of Ygdrassil, Pagan Germans Axis Mundi.
Merchants at the time seized on it, and pushed it as a family holidy to boost sales.
Coca Cola's chief influence was on St Nick himself. He was a jolly fat elf in Clement Clarke Moore's Night Before Christmas. There was no established look for him. Thomas Nast (who came up with the GOP elephant and the Democrats donkey in his political cartoons) drew Santa Claus as an Uncle Sam type. Traditionally, he was often garbed as a travelling salesman of the medieval type. Coca-Cola turned him into a 6 foot something giant, standardized his outfit, and made it their corporate colors Red and White.
However, Red and White are also the colors of the berries on mistletoe, which came from Viking custom. The god Balder was invulnerable with one weakness, and the gods sported with throwing arrows, knives and spears at him, until on Loki's instigation the blind god Hod threw a dart of mistletoe at him. That was his one weakness and it killed him. He was the only peaceful god of the Norse pantheon. The red berries of the mistletoe was his blood, and the white berries were the tears of his mother Frigg, who had all living things promised not to kill her son, but overlooked this small herb.
From then on if Vikings and other German fighters found that they were fighting under mistletoe, there was an immediate cessation of hostilities.
Oopsie
Yggdrassil
I should mention that mistletoe was also sacred to the Celts. Druids were go out and clip mistletoe from their sacred oaks (mistletoe was a parasite) with golden scythes, but more likely copper. The sprig would fall on a white cloth they held so it would not fall to the ground. Some see a ritual castrating of the god, however it seems to be magical as well.
Additionally, Sir James Frazier identified the mistletoe as the Greek's Golden Bough.
How many 'fronts' have we opened in the 'War on Christmas'?
If Christmas is a day of good cheer, receiving gifts and blessings, celebration, warmth and good fellowship, I propose we hold Christmas in abeyance for awhile, and then resume the celebrations by changing Christmas day to Bush Impeachment Day, whenever that occurs.
Rep. Cohen (D-TN) just gave a opening speech this morning in the House, announcing that he would be proposing legislation as soon as possible to respond to the Postal Service's plans to immediately discontinue the provision of stamp vending machines in all their offices!
It's the War on Christmas Stamps.
Dear Children,
It has come to my attention that many of you are upset that folks are taking My name out of the season. Maybe you've forgotten that I wasn't actually born during this time of the year and that it was some of your predecessors who decided to celebrate My birthday on what was actually a time of pagan festival. Although I do appreciate being remembered anytime.
How I personally feel about this celebration can probably be most easily understood by those of you who have been blessed with children of your own. I don't care what you call the day. If you want to celebrate My birth, just GET ALONG AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Now, having said that let Me go on. If it bothers you that the town in which you live doesn't allow a scene depicting My birth, then just get rid of a couple of Santas and snowmen and put in a small Nativity scene on your own front lawn. If all My followers did that there wouldn't be any need for such a scene on the town square because there would be many of them all around town.
Stop worrying about the fact that people are calling the tree a holiday tree, instead of a Christmas tree. It was I who made all trees. You can remember Me anytime you see any tree. Decorate a grape vine if you wish: I actually spoke of that one in a teaching, explaining who I am in relation to you and what each of our tasks were. If you have forgotten that one, look up John 15: 1 - 8.
If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it:
1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don't have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.
3. Instead of writing George complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don't you write and tell him that you'll be praying for him and his family this year. Then follow up. It will be nice hearing from you again.
4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can't afford and they don't need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.
5. Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.
6. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don't know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.
7. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren't allowed to wish you a "Merry Christmas" that doesn't keep you from wishing them one. Then stop shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn't make so much money on that day they'd close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families
8. If you really want to make a difference, support a missionary-- especially one who takes My love and Good News to those who have never heard My name.
9. Here's a good one. There are individuals and whole families in your town who not only will have no "Christmas" tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don't know them, buy some food and a few gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other charity which believes in Me and they will make the delivery for you.
10. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a Christian. Don't do things in secret that you wouldn't do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
Don't forget; I am God and can take care of Myself. Just love Me and do what I have told you to do. I'll take care of all the rest. Check out the list above and get to work; time is short. I'll help you, but the ball is now in your court. And do have a most blessed Christmas with all those whom you love and remember :
I LOVE YOU,
Jesus
Now this just screams the holidays:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-QB433pSiY
Bush League "Relief": Why Homeowners Will Scream In Terror
Many Europeans celebrate December 6, Saint Nicholas day, insead of Dec 25.
The Bushies destroyed 10 million emails. Now at least we know how much email a Bushie could bush if a Bushie could bush email,
Donaldd @ 119:
12th day of Christmas.
Christianity must be SO feeble that its sustainability relies on $12 per hour clerks saying "Merry Christmas" to everyone/every time for one month.
So when Puritans were trying to outlaw Christmas practices, they were being hostile to Christianity?
(I posted this in the Elvis Costello thread by mistake. I intended it to have gone here).
Is Google having a War on Hanukkah? They didn't change their logo today. Yet the change it on other holidays.
Paul in LA @ 121:
Actually the 12 days of Christmas are from Dec 25 to Jan 6 (Epiphany).
On the Catholic calendar were now in Advent.
we're.
I actually avoid stores during the holiday so they don't wish me a happy anything (but I might accept a Happy Erection.)
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As a Christian who absolutely loves Christmas, I have no problem wishing others a happy holiday. It is a sign of respect for those who don't share my beliefs and religion. It's necessary in the workplace so that everyone is respected. Sure, everyone knows the "holiday party" is really a Christmas party, but at least an attempt is made to be inclusive. It's also necessary in our personal life. Surprisingly, I've found athiests and Jews to be very gracious about having holiday decorations in nonreligious settings, if they are consulted and respected. Frankly, many of our practices date from before Christianity and link us to our pagan past. We've just adapted them as other religions adapt themselves to the Christian majority. When I think of Christmas, I think of generosity and being so mean-spirited towards others does not fit the season.
Donaldd @ 116:
Nice. Thanks.
Oh please, not a graphic with O'Reilly holding a gun! O'Reilly doesn't have the guts to do what real soldiers do. When he had his chance to volunteer to go to Vietnam during and/or after Marist, he punked out. Instead he wrote a column in his college newspaper about why our troops probably shouldn't leave Vietnam, publicly berated a liberal professor, ran around Europe with his school chums and kicked footballs around. O'Reilly, big tough guy, my ass.
dd @ 131:
128 Danras
I read your link. This is not what the Democrats "want," but is a generalized provision in a lobbying bill. Hopefully, it'll be tightened like a former virgin being revirginated.
ysbaddaden @ 106:
Oddly, that's what my mother used to tell me I would grow up to be. Instead, I grew up to be a lib-voting, veggie-eating, working-class loving, church-ducking, creative writing major, which my parents consider the next best thing.
Isn't that blasphemy having that pussy in a military uniform? He should be in a fairy costume. SOB...
Billo believes in the spirit of Christmas gift giving. I heard he bought Andrea Mackris a falafel and a loofah.
I hate Christmas because I promised myself that if there was another war, I would be fighting against the likes of Bill O. War on Christmas? Okay Bill, I HATE IT!!!
Colonel Falafel is has even turned brown when he puts on his Military costume for Halloween. O'Reilly would pee in his pants if he had to join the Military and serve the United States of America. Just like most of those who are yelling to continue the war and bomb Iran are those who would never protect this country when needed they have never and will never join the United States Military but they will use the words Support our Troops as they call black soldiers scumbags as with the Katrina victims. Well at lease we see this hold White House Crime Team and the Journalist that worked and spread the propaganda for the criminals, it's all coming to an end now. Even David Gregory is trying to clean up his act as he is a loyal Bush insider who wants out now. Chris Matthews and Andrea Mitchell worked hard for the GOP and the White House as insiders and even knew about the criminal acts but kept their mouth shut. Now we see the Executives of NBC are looking to clean house. As for Colonel Falafel can always do a comedy show for perverts.
The phrases for Bill O'Fafafel are sexual harasser and draft dodger.
ysbaddaden @ 127:
Yes, January 6th, Epiphany, is the 12th day of Christmas, as I said.
But mr. Oreilly I don't believe in your religion " SHUT UP" , I believe in freedom of religion as well as freedom FROM religion , " SHUT UP , PINHEAD " . As far as the war is co.." SHUT UP" ncerned , I don't agree with U.S. foreign poli..." SHUT UP " cy...I believe we should all spea....." SHUT UP" " This is no time for dissent , we are at war " . But Mr . OReilly I thought we had freed..." SHUT UP , if your against U.S. foreign policy during war, you're unamerican" . We'll I'm going to protest this illegal w.." SHUT UP " ar .
Way to wish a Christmas tree up everybody's ass, billy boy.
CD @ 74:
For the record, I mean those ARE enjoyable memories about Christmas... seriously! I loved all those things.
right wing hater @ 97:
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the romans held that gods and beliefs belonged to the peoples who held those beliefs.
they allowed 'new' romans = the newly conquered to keep their beliefs and indeed absorbed some of the new beliefs and gods into their own belief system.
the catholic church carried on the tradition...see mexican celebrations of the dead, icons, chants and the like.
it wasn't just a cynical attempt to placate it was their belief.
i wish more people would realize that the roman empire never fell, it changed it's name to the catholic church.
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