Gun-toting Arizona protester belongs to hate-mongering pastor's flock
So it turns out that Contessa Brewer had good reason to see a connection between the rabidly hateful rhetoric spewed by the likes of Pastor Steven Anderson and the angry, gun-toting protesters turning out for presidential events: One of the most prominent of these, an African-American man named "Chris", is in fact a member of Pastor Anderson's congregation.
"Chris" was on Alex Jones' "Prison Planet" radio show late last week and discussed how "my pastor was beaten up" at a Border Patrol checkpoint.
Yes, that pastor is indeed Steven Anderson, who was arrested in April by the Border Patrol for being uncooperative at a patrol checkpoint. Anderson attempted to make himself something of a national martyr to the conspiracists out there by posting a video to YouTube about it that quickly went viral.
Jones took note of the Anderson connection:
Jones: Now I'm starting to get a clearer picture. You go to Pastor Anderson's church, I see.
Chris: Yeah, yes I do. Proudly. I think it's the best church in the world.
The funny thing about these gun-toting protesters is that they like to portray themselves as being simple, honest defenders of their gun rights when they show up for public events, especially those featuring the president, packing heat publicly.
They adamantly deny that they're bringing their guns to intimidate their fellow citizens from speaking out with a contrary view. But this is beyond disingenuous; it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the vast majority of the people who attend a public debate will perceive someone with a gun as someone they should fear -- particularly if they have an opposing view. Most people will see someone with a gun at an event that does not deal with guns as a potential threat. And you can't tell me that most of these gun-toters are not perfectly aware of the intimidation factor they carry with them and are not in fact packing heat for just that reason.
Moreover, these gun-toters want to assure us they pose no threat whatsoever to either the president or his supporters by bringing these guns. They're just ordinary citizens standing up for their rights, right? The Secret Service need have no fear about their motives.
But then we find out that at least one of them ardently admires a pastor who preaches how much he hates Obama and wishes him dead, in order "to save this country."
And we're supposed to tell these "innocent" gun nuts from the people who might actually aim their weapons at the president how?
[H/t to reader jefro3000.]
Just accidents wanting to happen. Good connect!
rethugs again...
A person carrying a weapon would not have come as close as 5 miles from Bush or Cheney.... In fact it he was on his internet they would have come to their home and arrested them...
Hell no you could not get within 5 miles of Bush or Cheney with a anti -Bush sign.... Much less any of this BS these a.. holes are carrying and saying.
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I HEREBY REVOKE THIS HOUSE NEGRO'S AFRICAN-AMERICAN CARD.
No fool in their right minds would want to admit to being in a church where his Pastor is actively praying for the first African-American POTUS to DIE.
He's done something most black people run from: being equal to Clarence Thomas.
Self-Hating Bastard.
Why is it that if your white and disagree with the president your racist, or if your black and you do you must be a house negro? Couldn't it be they simply don't agree with him? For myself I couldn't care what color he is, I just don't agree with his policies.
AKA BROWNSHIRTING right now, are pretty much a bunch of pissed off white folks, who are using healthcare, taxes, whatEVER they decide they're against that particular day, are racist assholes.
I'm not suggesting that you're one of them...
But it does seem to be awful convenient, that most of the brownshirts are linked to militias, right wing religious whacko groups, or are simply hired by the HC industry (nost of which are headed by old, white, and FAR RIGHT, pro-buisness, anti-people racist GOP assholes.
So...TJBB...ya don't agree with WHAT policies in particular?
What specifically is your beef with said policies?
Details..we want details.
This ought'a be good.
I don't agree with what I view his stance is on the 2nd amendment and gun control. He has never that I can find voted against any legislation that limited that right. He refused to sign a amicus curie brief to the supreme court on the Heller case but after it came out said he supported it. And up until recently (after Holder said they were for it) had it up on the White House website that he was for reinstating the AWB.
His stance on civil rights act. Yes I believe that no one should be discriminated against, but I don't believe in forcing private business owners to hire or provide services for people that they do not want to for any reason. That is discriminating against them for their beliefs.
He claims to be for continued air superiority including fifth generation aircraft, but stated he would veto the defense bill if it contained any funding for the F-22.
The auto makers bailout(in general), and when during the bankruptcy proceedings, went counter to standard law and did not give secured creditors the legal amount, and instead gave them pennies on the dollar and the lions share to the auto workers union (which actually screwed over the police and teachers union in my state).
Giving Bernake (a person who is for transparency and openness in the fed, but is fighting to keep congress from seeing its books) a 2nd term as chairmen of the fed.
Shall I go on?
Let me get my popcorn.
I don't agree with what I view his stance is on the 2nd amendment and gun control. He has never that I can find voted against any legislation that limited that right. He refused to sign a amicus curie brief to the supreme court on the Heller case but after it came out said he supported it. And up until recently (after Holder said they were for it) had it up on the White House website that he was for reinstating the AWB.
*What is your view of his stance on the 2nd amendment?
I am not familiar with the case you mention, I'll have to look it up. AWB? Assault weapons ban? Yeah, I am one of those rare progressives that thinks Democrats should stay away from from gun control. It's a lose lose situation, IMHO*
His stance on civil rights act. Yes I believe that no one should be discriminated against, but I don't believe in forcing private business owners to hire or provide services for people that they do not want to for any reason. That is discriminating against them for their beliefs.
*ok...so what you're saying is...that no one should be able to take away a private business owners "right" to discriminate against anyone they feel like?* Is THAT what you're saying?*
He claims to be for continued air superiority including fifth generation aircraft, but stated he would veto the defense bill if it contained any funding for the F-22.
*The F-22..ah yes...those poor defense contractors wont be able to bilk billions of dollars of taxpayer loot, because that program was axed...whatever...the F-22 schematics and technical details were leaked, or sold to the Chinese under the bushco administration...that bird has been compromised, so I think it's prudent that it was axed.*
The auto makers bailout(in general), and when during the bankruptcy proceedings, went counter to standard law and did not give secured creditors the legal amount, and instead gave them pennies on the dollar and the lions share to the auto workers union (which actually screwed over the police and teachers union in my state).
*But the bailouts that happened in bushies last days were ok?
The bailouts with NO accountability? THOSE were ok?*
Giving Bernake (a person who is for transparency and openness in the fed, but is fighting to keep congress from seeing its books) a 2nd term as chairmen of the fed.
*ok...that I'm not thrilled about either*
Shall I go on?
To the Tea Party People
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over $600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars simply “disappeared” in Iraq.
You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark during the Bush years after he inherited a surplus from Clinton.
You finally got mad when.. when... (wait for it... )
You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you- but helping other Americans... well f..k that.
That about right? You know it is.
You people have all lost your f...king minds. You are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, narcissistic, and frankly... stupid. Your pathetic little misspelled protest signs are embarrassing. Maybe you ought to find the smart person in your midst and let them make up all the signs, cause man, you look like a bunch of idiots.
(Also you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.)
*You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.*
We didn't? Or it wasn't as organized?
*You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.*
See above. Although when it was originally passed I remember the majority of the people being for it. Until we found out what it actually was, and what it could be used for.
*You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over $600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars simply “disappeared” in Iraq.*
Technically it was legal. Congress authorized the funds for it. And of course I get mad when funds disappear.
*You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.*
This one I'm torn on. While I don't agree or approve of it I can understand the use. And I don't agree that all of it was torture.
*You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.*
See 1
*You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.*
See 1
*You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.*
That was not the Feds responsibility until it was asked for help. Blame the LA Govt on that. And the fools who stayed after they were warned repeatedly.
*You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark during the Bush years after he inherited a surplus from Clinton.*
See 1, and Clinton had a surplus partially because of the way they figured it, which was including SS/Medicaid funds.
You finally got mad when.. when... (wait for it... )
*You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you- but helping other Americans... well f..k that.*
I think the Tea parties started before the health care debates didn't it?
*That about right? You know it is.
You people have all lost your f...king minds. You are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, narcissistic, and frankly... stupid. Your pathetic little misspelled protest signs are embarrassing. Maybe you ought to find the smart person in your midst and let them make up all the signs, cause man, you look like a bunch of idiots.
(Also you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.)*
You mean signs like these?
http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2008-02/...
And I may be ugly (although your mamma didn't think so j/j) but I dress myself (although my wife does have veto power)
*What is your view of his stance on the 2nd amendment?
I am not familiar with the case you mention, I'll have to look it up. AWB? Assault weapons ban? Yeah, I am one of those rare progressives that thinks Democrats should stay away from from gun control. It's a lose lose situation, IMHO*
My view is he is anti-gun and would like to put the most restrictions on gun ownership as possible.
Heller is the recent supreme court case on the D.C handgun ban. Yes AWB is the assault weapon ban.
*ok...so what you're saying is...that no one should be able to take away a private business owners "right" to discriminate against anyone they feel like?* Is THAT what you're saying?*
Yes that is what I'm saying.
*The F-22..ah yes...those poor defense contractors wont be able to bilk billions of dollars of taxpayer loot, because that program was axed...whatever...the F-22 schematics and technical details were leaked, or sold to the Chinese under the bushco administration...that bird has been compromised, so I think it's prudent that it was axed.*
While they may have been leaked it is still the best aircraft in the world for its job(although there is a good argument for the su-47). Why not continue to make them until we design something better?
*But the bailouts that happened in bushies last days were ok?
The bailouts with NO accountability? THOSE were ok?*
Hell no, I was against those also. But if I remember right Obama was for those also.
*ok...that I'm not thrilled about either*
Well we agree on two things. :)
Bet you loved Bush/Cheney's which cause of this total destruction to our country and someone has to try and fix it and you attack their policies....
I bet still believe that Saddam and Iraq had something to do with 911 , which Bush has oil ties and connections with Saudi Arabia,,, who had 15 of the 19 terrorist on the planes of 911.. There has also been links between some terrorist and money which was supplied to them,,, from Saudi's leaders.
You didn't say one word about Bush's torture , treason , Illegal war , given the top wealth and corporation those tax cuts that just keep trickling UP ,,, Illegal spying and the total destruction of our economy.
NO republicans are full of it ,,,,and they tried to attack democrats with their deceit , BS and corruption...
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because he attends a church that is pastored by a self-hating, in-the-closet homosexual who actively prays for the death of the POTUS.
Any church actively PRAYING for someone to DIE is not doing God's Work, I don't care how you want to "Kuubaayah" this shyt.
This is not about disagreeing with Obama - IT IS ABOUT ADVOCATING FOR HIM TO DIE.
You're a phucking troll and one of no concern, either.
negro because he does not follow the mainstream beliefs. Do you have any evidence that the pastor is a self hating, closet homo? Yes he does pray for the death of Obama. I bet a few people on this site pray for the death of O'reilly, Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney etc.
Yes he preaches hatred, while I don't believe in that, it is up to him and his congregation.
Do you have the same problems with Pastor Jeremiah Wright? He preaches hatred also. If not, why not?
And if I'm a troll and of no concern why did you even bother to reply to me?
They're fomenting violence!
The pastor and the church need to have their tax exempt status revoked immediately, and this pastor needs to be arrested for sedition!
Not joking here.
Time for someone in federal law enforcement to start doing their goddamn jobs and protect the citizenry and the Prez.
Get tough with these nuts before it gets further out of hand!
Ever wonder why None of our laws apply to Bush / Cheney or the republicans...
Do you believe that Bush's mercenary army ,,,Cheney and he built (Blackwater and the Contractor Halliburton) have any control or influence over no one enforcing the laws to investigate and prosecute them ,,, do you...
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assholes with guns can attend a presidential town hall, but no one can get within ten miles of boosh or chainey unless they sign a loyalty oath!
Some stuff you can't make up!
Hey Chris. Here's a clue. Once they get done with the fags, guess who's next?
(Hint: It rhymes with Chiggers)
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
oh noes!
You're just not one for the poetry, is ya?
Are great talking out of the back of their a...
We have become a nation in which the Global Empires controls our laws and elected officials... Like the corporate farms , Banks , Health companies they receive tax welfare ,, Subsidy ,,,, :Yet bitch their a... off if the government says it will give some of THE TAX PAYERS taxes back to help them in a time of their need.
Just like the farmers which bitch about helping Americans out ,,, Yet ,, receive a subsidy for crops on their farms every year..
The beneficiaries of the subsidies have changed as agriculture in the United States has changed. In the 1930s, about 25% of the country's population resided on the nation's 6,000,000 small farms. By 1997, 157,000 large farms accounted for 72% of farm sales, with only 2% of the U.S. population residing on farms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_sub...
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Triggers?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Naggers!
(Ahhhhh, South Park)
Or if the bloggers are way ahead of them.
It just gets better. The Secret Service has their work cut out for them.
NOBODY 2012
also, I think it unwise to bring blackwater to this country for a few years.
Some stuff you can't make up!
what do you mean bring them to this country?
they are already here in the guise of neighborhood
militias and many have infiltrated the local police.
Why do you Believe the elected officials are afraid to prosecute the ,,, Or cancel their contracts..
Why in the hell would one ever infiltrate our entire Government intelligent agencies , spying network , in charge of our government agencies and in charge of our military ,,, if they were not going to use them for their purpose... They make ten times that of our soldiers , they are even from foreign countries , they are bound by no laws and they have brothers and elected officials in very high places....
I really do not believe Americans know or realize just how dangerous this have become...
Every where they take over and control they destroy all laws and democracy....
Just ask the citizens in New Orleans about their police force...
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Oh yeah. Big shocker there.
Wonder if the tax exemption for churches was really meant to apply to a "church" whose religion seems to be "Kill all who have a different political view then ours."?
JIM JONES
JEREMIAH WRIGHT. Nobody here had a problem with the "intimidation factor" involved with posting armed black panthers near the only way into the polls during the election. It seems for most here the problem is not using intimidation as a tool but what side the tool is being used against.
Dick?
He was nothing but a patriotic citizen exercising his right to carry a loaded assault riffle with him, at all times.
Properly speaking, an "assault rifle" is a full-auto capable weapon.
Look up the StG-44, and how it came to be. Hint: Wehrmacht infantry armed with bolt-action rifles getting human-waved in Russia in late '41 and early '42.
that makes all the difference.
;-)
a 1766 Charlesville 69 caliber musket(lock, stock and barrel) is an assult rifle. "Assult Rifle" is what the weapon was used for not it's action type!!! And a great many more rifle assults were done with 58 caliber Enfield muskets then has ever been done with full auto rifles!!
Just the gun history fan in me being picky, no offense intended.
An AR-15 *is* an assault rifle numbnuts.
kinda gives it away.
Armalite. AR-15 stands for Armalite model 15. Armalite being the company that first manufactured them.
I stand corrected...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rIVfmjkvW4
are full auto capable, through after market modifications. I don't believe they were sold that way by the manufactures.
Search for "Bumpfire" it doesn't require ANY modification. Its using the recoil of the weapon and the user holding the weapon with forward pressure (some of the videos show hooking a thumb on a beltloop to achieve this, others learn to do it without). The whakos will argue its only one pull for each shot fired, which although semanticaly correct, results in the weapon acting as if it were full auto.
bump fire is, you can do it with pretty much any semi auto firearm, including standard hunting rifles and shotguns and pistols, in fact if your really really good it can be done with double action revolvers. It still does not make them full auto.
Bump fire is a gimmick, if you can afford enough ammo to practice doing it to make it reliable and effective, you can afford to just purchase a full auto.
For true accuracy and speed watch this, its not bump fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF2vOkqTBoA
But for a more complete description of how bump fire its done... You hold the trigger finger/hand steady and push forward the firearm with your other hand, the recoil when fired will push the firearm back and your forward push with the other hand will push it back into the firing finger.
Because their owners are fishing for one or more very public martyrs.
For instance? Well, how about somebody who gets himself shot dead at an Obama rally. Because he's packing a gun at a place and time when nobody this side of complete stark raving insanity would even dream of doing so.
You said it yourself, Dave ...
Exactly.
All it'll take is one Secret Service man who gets too many "red flag" indicators going off in his head at once.
The marginal personalities who feed off of the rhetoric of people like Steven Anderson and Glenn Beck are running up all the red flags they can. Just as they're being told to do.
too many people who are lacking
articulate skills when
conversingdebating/arguingor simply disagreeing with others will
without moral presence pull out the gun/s
they carry and shoot the other/s. if shouting
down the other person does not work, they shoot.
they have no respect for the life of others
they perceive do fully commit to their irrational
opinions or life styles.
Pretty gangsta I'd have to say.
Pastor Steven Anderson interview on Freedom's Phoenix TV
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 13:34 — Truth_Critic
[ http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gospe... ]
Obama comes to Phoenix Arizona so does Chris and his AR15
Alex Jones, Ernest Hancock aka Freedom's Phoenix and TaliBirchers... Birds of a feather!
Sat, 08/22/2009 - 13:01 — Truth_Critic
See what the Ron Paul peeps think of the delusional Pastor.
[ http://www.dailypaul.com/node/98415 ]
[ http://www.dailypaul.com/node/90401 ]
Just in case you missed it?
Ernest Hancock aka Freedom's Phoenix(The interviewer)above... Takes up a collection for the poor pastor.
[ http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Articl... ]
Pastor Steven Anderson on Alex Jones
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89gjyhqH17s&fe... ]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
these gun-toting folks one simple (must keep it simple) question.
In attending a discussion about healthcare...what different outcome, in regards to the healthcare issue alone, would you expect if you had not brought your gun?
Force them to explain that either there would be no difference...or that they want to feel 'more powerful' and 'intimidating'.
Methinks they would be wanting their 'pastor' or their corporate sponsor to be there at that moment to feed them an answer.
gun-toting folk, although I wasn't at the protests. And I will agree that there would be no difference. But I will disagree on the 'more powerful' and 'intimidating'. I do open carry frequently in the summer I do it for several reasons, one being comfort, it is more comfortable to open carry, rather than trying to conceal when your wearing shorts and a t-shirt. But there is another reason also, and it is 'political' the only time non-gun owners hear about guns for the most part is when there is a shooting, open carry allows people to see and average person walking down the street, shopping, or playing with his/her kids at a park, while armed and that nobody gets killed.
These people, while I don't know if that was their reasoning for it, did pretty much the same but on a much larger scale. Millions of people have seen the pictures and video clips of these armed citizens at a highly charged event, and what happened? Nothing not one person injured, no shootings. Just peaceful protest.
There is a open carry walk being organized for my states capital coming up for the same reason, and yes it will include long guns including so called "assault rifles" Google open carry walk/picnic/event, they happen all over.
these brownshirts are bringin guns to a townhall meeting on HEALTHCARE...
What in (insert name of your deity of choice here)'s name do 2nd amendment rights have to do with fucking healthcare?
NOT ONE GODDAMN THING!
I'm pro 2nd amendment, but these fucktards are abusing that right, and their actions are highly counterproductive to their cause...if they're not there strictly to intimidate people.
Which I think is actually the case...I think they're trying to scare people...there's another word for that...oh yeah..I remember...TERRORISM.
TEABAGGERS=EPIC FAIL
an argument that the 2nd has a good bit to do with health care, it can protect mine and others health and life from a scumbag who wishes to take it away. But for the health care they are debating no it doesn't have anything to do with it.
And I don't necessary agree that their actions are counterproductive. Unless there is an accident that would be a disaster. But barring that as I stated above it shows these armed people in public doing no harm to millions of people. Who for the most part do not see people openly carrying unless they are LEO or security. Which amuses me for the security, they see a man with a shirt from a security place and a gun and assume that he's just fine. Which kinda amuses and scares me, about the security guards, when the background check for most of them is less than I went through to get my carry permit. Not even mentioning the training they get. But they see a uniform and they figure he must be okay.
In your opinion they were there to scare and intimidate people, I have a different view.
Tea partiers = win, again in my opinion.
actually seem like a decent guy - but honestly, your logic makes my head hurt. I'm gonna go lie down...
Teabaggers=angry racists who really don't knkow what they're being told to protest against by the fascist corporations bankrolling the entire ASTROTURF "movement"...
FAILED before it began.
with every post dude.
Circular logic notwithstanding.
Your position is that of those who would destroy this HC bill at the whims of the HC industry...
When govt. owns business...that's socialism...
when business owns govt....what's THAT called TJBB?
I am laying down right now.
I prefer socialism over the other.
"Unless there is an accident that would be a disaster"
What kind of "disastrous accident" would happen if no one was toting a firearm??? Fisticuffs??
being honest refuting my own argument? I said I don't feel that it is necessarily counter-productive. Barring an accident.
But how do you increases the awareness that law abiding citizens carrying firearms are not danger to people, unless you can show them? And how do you show them? Other than by openly carrying them in public?
The trend of firearms being bad is a pretty recent development, up until the early-mid 70s you could carry a loaded firearm on a plane, within the last 15-20 years or so students legally brought firearms to school, it was actually pretty common in rural areas. I've know people that used to carry their shotgun or rifle into school and store it in their lockers or principals office. One of the guys I know had his locker picked out by a drug sniffing dog, he was called from class and when they opened it there was his .22 rifle and ammunition(no drugs) the cop asked him what it was for, he told them he ran his trap line after school. The cops told him okay, and then they talked about how his was doing and the price of furs.
own and bear arms is fine...but don't ya think the timing is just weeee bit off?
These town halls are about HEALTH CARE, not gun rights.
The two are NOT related in any way, shape or form! I don't care HOW you try to argue otherwise TJBB, it just AIN'T!!!
Gun-toting teabaggers at healthcare townhall meetings=MASSIVELY EPIC FAIL.
that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with the health care reform, but what is getting publicity now?
Remember this?
"I can make an argument that the 2nd has a good bit to do with health care, it can protect mine and others health and life from a scumbag who wishes to take it away. But for the health care they are debating no it doesn't have anything to do with it."
Contradict yourself much?
The first was meant as snark.
"But for the health care they are debating no it doesn't have anything to do with it.""
In your opinion teabaggers=angry racists, while for the most part I'll give you angry, but why do you say they are racist, I'm not denying that some of them most likely are, buy why do you say that the majority or all of them are? Because the majority of them are white?
That would be like me saying that all the blacks that voted for Obama are racist. And while I'm sure that some of them were, doesn't mean they all or even a majority of them were.
Why is it that every white person who opposes Obama is racist and every black is an uncle tom?
And I don't agree with business owning Govt. Govt should be ran by the people for the people, within the guidelines of the constitution. The question is how do you limit it? Or I should say how do we the people limit it, because it is obvious that most politicians are not interested in doing so.
And do really believe that the Govt owning businesses would prevent that? Look at the auto industry and the lobbyists for the companies and the unions. After it was virtually owned by the Govt. Do you think that was for the good of the American people?
In your opinion teabaggers=angry racists, while for the most part I'll give you angry, but why do you say they are racist, I'm not denying that some of them most likely are, buy why do you say that the majority or all of them are? Because the majority of them are white?
*Come on TJBB...the MAJORITY of these people, are red-staters, and they all, or nearly all voted for McCain...they're mostly all white folks...they may not be card carryin, cross burnin racists but I bet they cringe when a black man walks past. And they FEAR that Obama's gonna be the big black boogeyman of their nightmares. And THAT FEAR, TJBB is THE ROOT of all these staged protests, the protests that are'nt staged by the HC industry, that is.*
That would be like me saying that all the blacks that voted for Obama are racist. And while I'm sure that some of them were, doesn't mean they all or even a majority of them were.
*maybe, but here's the flaw with your rebuttal...
the teabaggers ARE mostly racists.*
Why is it that every white person who opposes Obama is racist and every black is an uncle tom?
*We both just stated that's not the case...your circular logic is showing*
And I don't agree with business owning Govt. Govt should be ran by the people for the people, within the guidelines of the constitution. The question is how do you limit it? Or I should say how do we the people limit it, because it is obvious that most politicians are not interested in doing so.
*Good...we can agree on THAT at least...the heavy deregulation that started in the raygun years and continued through the Clinton years, but REALLY got goin during teh bushco era is what created the mess we're in now...I'm not for a total socialist state, but heavy regulation on business, and socialization of some businesses like healthcare would make us a stronger and more competitive nations. We're 37th among industrialized nations in healthcare, BECAUSE the HC industry pulls the strings. Fuck the HC industry...they don't give a shit about you...I say this is one issue that should unite all Americans against the HC industry...we need a strong public option at LEAST! Not just for me, but for you too.
And do really believe that the Govt owning businesses would prevent that? Look at the auto industry and the lobbyists for the companies and the unions. After it was virtually owned by the Govt. Do you think that was for the good of the American people?
*Govt. owning business is an extreme example...I was trying to make a point...again...what IS it called when business owns govt? You never answered that question.
Dude, govt. runs Medicare...which by the way...most the teabaggers brownshirting against ANY healthcare reform are on...that's a socialist program...that the repugs were vehemently against...and guess what..the country wasn't overrun by Bolsheviks!*
*Come on TJBB...the MAJORITY of these people, are red-staters, and they all, or nearly all voted for McCain...they're mostly all white folks...they may not be card carryin, cross burnin racists but I bet they cringe when a black man walks past. And they FEAR that Obama's gonna be the big black boogeyman of their nightmares. And THAT FEAR, TJBB is THE ROOT of all these staged protests, the protests that are'nt staged by the HC industry, that is.*
Hmmm. Red staters voting Repub, thats a shock, just like a blue stater voting Dem. You'd never suspect would you?
You know your right, because there white and voted repub they must all be racist. Unlike Collin Powell a card carrying Repub who just happened to think that a Dem was the best choice.
And as for cringing when a black man walks past. Didn't Obama admit to being scared of the blacks in Chicago in one of his books? When he was a community organizer.
I think the fear is that Obama is going to be the big bad Dem boogieman of there nightmares.
*maybe, but here's the flaw with your rebuttal...
the teabaggers ARE mostly racists.*
*We both just stated that's not the case...your circular logic is showing*
Huh? There not mostly racist but they are mostly racist? I'm confused.
*Good...we can agree on THAT at least...the heavy deregulation that started in the raygun years and continued through the Clinton years, but REALLY got goin during teh bushco era is what created the mess we're in now...I'm not for a total socialist state, but heavy regulation on business, and socialization of some businesses like healthcare would make us a stronger and more competitive nations. We're 37th among industrialized nations in healthcare, BECAUSE the HC industry pulls the
strings. Fuck the HC industry...they don't give a shit about you...I say this is one issue that should unite all Americans against the HC industry...we need a strong public option at LEAST! Not just for me, but for you too.*
*Govt. owning business is an extreme example...I was trying to make a point...again...what IS it called when business owns govt? You never answered that question.*
I agree on some regulation, but not severe, and not socialization of businesses at all, the post office is ran as a not for profit business, but it is specifically allowed in the constitution and other businesses are allowed to compete, except for "communication" that is against the law, except for emergency (overnight) and that is regulated where they have to charge a minimum of $3 or 3x the cost of first class mail but still companies can remain competitive even with that.
Hey a 3rd thing we agree with and that's that the insurance industry doesn't care about us. But how many industries do? Should that give Govt the reason to take them all over?
And what is a business run govt called? A bureaucracy?
*Dude, govt. runs Medicare...which by the way...most the teabaggers brownshirting against ANY healthcare reform are on...that's a socialist program...that the repugs were vehemently against...and guess what..the country wasn't overrun by Bolsheviks!*
Yes Medicare is a socialist program. And no we weren't overrun by Bolsheviks, but they are trying :)
"the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism the American people will adopt every fragment of the socialist program."
Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket 1927
Then WHY do you need a gun if it's a peaceful protest? Open carry walk/picnic/events? I do believe you and I'm not being facetious, (maybe a little) but what is so lacking in your character that you need to carry a weapon to a PICNIC? Is it a Linus/security blanket issue? Or are you trying to show others how "tough" you are?? Or to overcompensate from an anatomical "shortcoming"?
OH, and BTW, I'm all for gun rights - if you want them and like them, have them - makes no difference to me. But I'm just honestly trying to understand why you would ever carry a firearm to a fucking PICNIC!
to show people that guns are not evil, that they can be carried with out harm by law abiding citizens, that they just won't jump up out of their holster and start shooting people.
And the picnics are organized events, to show the public that ordinary, law abiding people of all sorts own and carry firearms. You can see Drs., factory workers, attorneys, soccer moms, teachers, students even judges at them.
http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=10977230
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf...
why now?
Where were these people when their here booosh was in office?
I call bullshit.
events have been around since Bush was in office.
Here is an article about it from june of '08
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...
Its just that you haven't heard about it.
Nope.
I'm not against open carry...or concealed carry...
But leave the guns at home when going to political events.
Why is that a problem?
it a problem when law abiding citizens bring them? Because it make some people uncomfortable?
Why should people have to pick and choose which rights they are going to exercise? If I'm going to exericise my 1st amendment rights to free speech, and to peacefully assemble, I can't exercise my 2nd amendment rights? How about the 4th, if I exercise my other rights do I have to give up my right against illegal search and seizure?
I hate to quote Beck but this is appropriate.
"When I leave home, I take all my rights with me"
way surprised.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
So many layers of self hatred on sister Chris.
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...and it indicates that Pastor Anderson is way more gay than Barney Frank!
Take a look at the "Baptist pastor beaten + tazed..." video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
I've argued with him and pointed out being within the 20 miles no-constitution zone of the borders of USA does not grant his constitutional rights. I've yet to hear the judge's verdict.. I'm sure they threw the book at this tard.
"Constitution Free Zones" within this country is just dumb. As soon as you grant them the power of suspending your rights, even if limited to near the border, it opens up the future possiblity for them to suspend your rights whenever, wherever they choose. Once you've indicated it is alright in SOME situations to suspend your rights, you no longer have rights. You have privileges.
Ya know, the ol' gaydar is really showing a strong blip on toter Chris here, too.
You don't think...
The mind simply boggles when those two are visualized, um, together, yet it's strangely easy to visualize. I'm just sayin'.
Ahhhhh remember the good old days of last century when they only brought pick ax handles?
Frankenstein, pitchforks and torches in hand...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
of the 1920's through 1970's but yeah I see your view clearly too. Someone should do a cartoon of that - Obama as Frankenstein craddling the infant healthcare reform in his arms as the cruel uninformed villagers attack him.
of it!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
- Pastor Steven L Anderson Speaks AZ
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVemYhWSFPM ](7:49)
Jihad for Jebus... Their only laws come from a sky daddy
Man created God in his image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I bet he can't use that worn out phrase "but I have lot's of black friends".
When I saw the video of the pastor a few months ago and the beating he got, I thought that it was pretty unfair (and I still do), but I just can't feel sorry for this lousy bastard. I'm yet to see someone ask Ron Paul how he feels when he sees his libertarians friends acting in this disgraceful way. Seems to me like Rev Wright is a sheep compared to these radical right wing nutjobs.
Get busloads of blacks, Hispanic, and Muslims toting guns with those NRA freaks. And then watch the fun!!!!
I would like to hear the response of these gun rights advocates when asked a simple question.
Would they feel the same way about gun rights and freedom of speech if a Muslim man/men/women dressed in traditional attire with AK-47's (legal semi-auto versions of course)slung over their shoulders in these crowds? Would Redstate highlight them as gun rights heroes? What if said gun rights hero carried a "death to America" sign, would they be free speech heroes as well?
explode!
NOBODY 2012
Why, oh why, does the man in question have to be described as an "African American"? Is it necessary to point out his heritage?
Never fails. When a white right wing nut job does something they are not described as "white".
Instead of "gun-toter," I prefer to use the more technically accurate "gun-brandishing militant."
I read the Whole Interview with this guy
very credible very smart, knows his RIGHTS unlike you idiots
but thats ok, Daddy did tell you guys were big boys now
the Interview with Alex Jones was Very good, best i have heard in months
Matthew 10:34 KJV
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
17 min, 7 sec.
You don't scare anyone.
This person registers to post to intimate that disagreement is due to a misunderstanding of rights and not common sense or just good forethought and then proclaim those who didn't get it idiots. They then proceed to drop a line from the (kinda militant) King James Version of the bible talking about the second coming of Christ.
Sounds like someone who is willing to "go to any length to bring back the baby Jesus". You should at least be wary of people such as this as most if not all are armed and "enlightened"...much like their Muslim counterparts.
I don't think anybody is disputing his right to do this, we're just wondering what kind of idiot would do this? I wonder what would happen if he brought his
penisassault rifle to the WalMart parking lot? Sure he's got the right, but does that make it right? No, it doesn't.Oh, I wouldn't use Mat. 10:34 to "prove" anything. Unless you think you're Jesus? Here's what YOU are supposed to do:
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Better watch the heresy there Clem.
What kind of idiot would do this?
I think it is totally legal for me to drink 5 liters of gin a day in my own home, but why would I do it? I'd certainly die.
When idiots like this, especially ones who hate Obama, bring guns to Obama events.....something's going to happen.
And somewhere I read that people think this so-called "pastor" is the best because he's the only one who defends gun rights. What kind of a goddamned "pastor" makes it his life's work to defend gun rights? At least make yourself somewhat credible then by doing full time work for the NRA.
Jesus frgn' Christ.
I won't touch the bible quotes, though.....don't know any.
Back under your bridge TROLL! Hannity says your gift basket is on the way.
I read the bible last night. It totally said everyone should pack heat. So there :-D
NOBODY 2012
Troll arrival!
*makes popcorn* Anyone want some?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
There goes any chance you may have thought you had to taken seriously.
Also...save your god and guns bullshit for your next militia meetin asshole.
You jebus quote sounds like a threat.
you can take that sword, suck it up your nose, and blow it out of your ass.
What you said!
I was ex-Air Force, E-4, Top Secret Clearance, Honorable Discharge, and you?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Anyone can defend the good reverend all day long about the out of control border questioning, etc, but when Pastor Steve continues pleading with the border patrol officers by repeating that he is an American citizen and how it's against the constitution, I understand, but this man, a man of little "g" god, himself, when he preaches and calls for the death of homosexuals because they don't follow his commands and prays that the president dies, he smears shit (his own) on the Constitution that he so easily holds up as sacrosanct! He's a joke, dangerous to liberty, but a joke nonetheless.
Make no motto of love that worships war
The more I read about this "pastor" and this incident, the more angry, depressed, and afraid I become.
Just a couple of points:
1. Didn't that young mentally ill kid who shot all those people at Virginia Tech legally obtain his guns?
2. It really infuriates me about this so-called "pastor." To me, even though I no longer practice any religion, it seems that any church worth its salt should be not only helping its members spiritually; but it also should be doing good deeds, like helping the poor. What the hell is this so-called "pastor" doing trying to raise shit with the border patrol? He's no "pastor." He's a damned hater and crazy ass.
You have to keep in mind that over 95 per cent of so called "christians" have never read the new testament. They are still masturbating to the evil that is positively referred to the in the old testament. That is the filthiest book about evil that I have ever read. Thank whomever, for Playboy.
Any black man that hates himself worse than Michael Jackson did and sides with the lunatics on the right, hates himself worse than I do for not at least objecting to the three massacres that I saw personally in Vietnam. A man once asked me why I had just done something that he thought was insane. I told the truth, "If I get out of this alive, I won." That has been my only rule since the Nam.
Don't expect me to march, sign petitions or to vote for "progressive" candidates. I tried that in the late 60s and it just doesn't work.
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that he wasn't a crazy MF.
Damn!
I sure didn't see THAT one coming! *eyeroll*
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
It was the perfect wedge. Anybody who speaks out against the drug laws has to be a closet doper and/or perv, right? So they could be effectively silenced. Their concerns about civil liberties can be answered with "Ah, you jus' wanna do dope!"
But the drug laws required the exact suspension of normal Constitutional rights and guarantees that in turn led to those inroads being incorporated into the (so-called) PATRIOT Act...a Boosh-Chain-y sired abomination which I note is still on the books.
Yes, abridge the rights of one, and the rights of all wind up on the auction block. But that's been going on for a long, long time. It's only now that the damage caused by the 'original sin' of drug prohibition allowing for the destruction of civil liberties has spread to the rest of the populace that people are beginning to take notice.
it remains to be seen if this is too late to stop...
But the one thing that this and all republicans have in common they are batshit crazy!
republicanism is a mental illness. If you don't believe me just look into their eyes. You can see the hate filled greedy look.
in the Biblical sense.
Cha-Cha cha!
from the man who, almost single-handedly, convinced Arthur Frommer (of guidebook fame) to suggest staying the hell out of Arizona - and is contemplating calling for a boycott of the state.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/repor...
Is anyone going to hand this follow up to Contessa Brewer?
"Immediately Judas went to Jesus and said, 'Hail, Rabbi!' and kissed Him.
And Jesus said to him, 'Friend, do what you have come for.' Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and seized Him.
And behold, one of those who were with Jesus reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear.
Then Jesus said to him, 'Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.'"
Matthew 26:49-52 KJV
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
And we're supposed to tell these "innocent" gun nuts from the people who might actually aim their weapons at the president how?
Easy, silly. You wait for them to actually aim their weapons at the president.
Seriously, no one with a weapon will be allowed within sight of Obama. I'm more afraid that one of them will shoot someone in the street who gave him some lip or who just looks too gay, or too black, or too God knows what.
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