Lou Dobbs and the Birthers: Mainstreaming fringe ideas for ratings eventually will catch up with you
By David Neiwert Monday Jul 27, 2009 2:00pm
Howard Kurtz this weekend was only the latest media critic to pile on Lou Dobbs for his promotion of the Birthers' conspiracy theories on CNN. Like nearly everyone else, Kurtz dismissed the coverage of the story as "ludicrous," and his guests pointed out how profoundly irresponsible it was.
Indeed, Kurtz was a bit late to the story, as Jamison Foser observed:
Well, by the time Kurtz got around to addressing the issue on today's Reliable Sources, CNN President Jonathan Klein had weighed in, calling Dobbs' birtherism "legitimate" and denouncing Dobbs' critics as "people with a partisan point of view from one extreme." (Klein had earlier indicated that the story was dead and the birthers' claims baseless; his flip-flop raises the question of who is in charge -- Klein or Dobbs.)
... Had Kurtz addressed the Dobbs issue last week, when he should have, he might have been able to get away with not coming back to it. But by waiting until today, he put himself in a position where he had to either address Klein's comments, or shy away from criticizing the boss. He chose to keep quiet about Klein. And so we learned from Kurtz's unwillingness to criticize Klein that he likes having the job of media critic more than he likes doing the job of media critic.
As Eric Boehlert observes, the whole dustup has been overall a good thing:
But there was some good news last week, and it came from watching Dobbs' slow motion train wreck unfold on the airwaves. It came from seeing how eagerly -- how convincingly -- the birther claims were debunked, not only online by progressives, but within the mainstream press as well -- the same mainstream press that's often reluctant to show up high-profile media players such as Dobbs, no matter how badly it has botched the facts. And let's not forget conservatives, who dismissed and ridiculed the birther claims.
In the case of the birthers, though, Dobbs' corporate media colleagues were utterly relentless in their fact-checking. I still don't think Dobbs knows what hit him. And frankly, I'm not sure I've ever seen such a well-deserved media pile-on. It's hard to see how Dobbs' career survives the humiliation.
Of course, it's always dangerous when hateful and cuckoo conspiracy theories are ushered into the mainstream and right-wing critics are given a platform to peddle their hateful whodunits about Obama's nationality the way Dobbs did. But, in this case, I almost think it was worth running that risk in order to watch the tidal wave of media disapproval that Dobbs' fearmongering unleashed.
This is all true. It certainly is a heartening sign that Dobbs is finally facing this tidal wave for attempting to present as mainstream absurd rhetoric from the fringes of the far right -- because he has been getting away with doing precisely that for years.
Most of the time, this has involved his rantings about immigration, including his false claims that immigrants were bringing leprosy across the border and that they intended to take back the American Southwest for Mexico. As Alex Koppelman noted at the time, there was a consistent pattern even back then of Dobbs drawing on beyond-dubious far-right fringe sources for his "reporting."
Meanwhile, Dobbs has been overly generous in his dealings with right-wing extremists on his show. He's hosted Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol without explaining to his audience that ABP is a longtime SPLC-designated hate group, and for good reason: they are unmistakably racist and white supremacist. He also hosted many leaders of the Minutemen movement (most notably Chris Simcox) on his programs over the years while hailing them as "a neighborhood watch" -- though he noticeably has failed to report it when the evidence becomes violently manifest that it is not anyone's idea of a civic-minded organization. More recently, Dobbs was one of the many right-wing pundits who attacked the Department of Homeland Security for its warnings about right-wing extremists.
That Dobbs has been permitted to operate in this fashion without facing the consequences among his fellow journalists has been one of the real ongoing media scandals that no one in the media wants to write about. So now it's out in the open -- and about time.
MM has put together a page where you can chime in on CNN's Lou Dobbs problem. Go make yourself heard.
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http://www.hereticalideas.com/2009/07/is-bara...
That's some funny stuff.
I was laughing my ass off!
heretical...ideas ;)
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2. Characterized by, revealing, or approaching departure from established beliefs or standards.
UPDATE 8:07PM: Salon is reporting that the resolution passed the House unanimously.
Rep. Michele Bachmann had blocked a vote on the resolution due to the absence of a quorum but voted for the resolution in the end.
UPDATE:
Think Progress reports that Rep. Neil Abercrombie's resolution proclaiming Hawaii as President Obama's birthplace was blocked by Rep. Michele Bachmann this afternoon on the floor of the House:
Just as the presiding chair of the House, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), was about to declare the resolution passed by voice vote, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) stood and objected:
BACHMANN: Mr. Speaker? I object to the vote on the grounds that a quorum is not present and make a point of order that a quorum is not present. [...]
REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS (D-MD): Further procedings on this motion will be postponed.
Well, you can depend on Michelle Bachmann to "just say no". Whatta maroon!
Dumb beeyatch tried to play roadblock but ended up as roadkill instead.
You know we still haven't seen professor Gates actual birth certificate either. Why will he not produce it?
I'll admit I'm missing it. Has anyone put together a set of references where Dobbs is being subject to a tidalwave of criticism? I'd take heart from such a thing, but I hadn't seen a lot of mainstream pushback.
oh, nevermind, found such a post on media matters:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907240044
Lou dobbs has been wallowing in his own bullshit for a while now. It's only recently he has been flinging it at President Obama. Dobbs has a vendetta on President Obama, and he's not about to let his career or his reputation get in the way of that. The dobbs 'show' must go.
I used to watch CNN pretty regularly. I kind of liked Anderson Cooper because it was lighter and it was easy. Sometimes Larry king would have on some people who would debate some stuff pretty well but now I just don't care to even go there any more. Dobbs is such a jackass that I have to wonder about the whole operation.
staging all this blather. Creating it.
you're right. kurtz is off-message this time.
BUT.......CHECK THIS OUT:
AP: Senate Finance Committee To Drop Public Option
WHEN THERE'S A STENCH IN THE NEWS, FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!
Maybe someone can promulgate a rumor that coverage of the Birthers by once legitimate news organizations is what really killed Walter Cronkite.
And now the "news" is arguing with the "news" about the "news" - and it's making "news." Man, what a country ...
Ya, we figured out that we needed to seperate church from state. Now we need to figure out that we need to seperate news from views. We have too many views and not enough news. I would watch a show if it simply stuck to the knowable facts.
how to separate church and state...but I don't think it's happened fully yet...
Seems to me there are plenty of churchies in govt. trying to legislate morality.
with one stone. The racist haters get teevee time and single payer gets none. Is there an adult in the house?
of whether it means anything where a presidential candidate was born.
I couldn't care less.
I would favor a constitutional amendment to scrap that requirement.
It is really outdated.
danger lurks down that road in the personage of the Govinator of Kulifornia.
Reason enough to keep the amendment.
and this proves it. I hope the media continue to pile on and put that idiot out of business and off the air. But hate sells, so he'll always have a job.
I'm shocked at the amount of self-reflection and media criticism in this piece. I thought this kind of thing was banned from the air.
from Goldman Sachs being caught at another racket in the stock market
What's the deal with Goldman Sachs? Are they hording all that money in their pillows now?
oop. dp.
this is more NONsense. peel the onion on this and what do you find HATE president obama, HATE pelosi
and HATE government.......even if the healthCare reform is in your BEST interests.
I'm just glad someone (Roger Simon) called this what it is, it's an attempt by the bigots on the right to knock down our first black president for no other reason then that he is black.
This begins and ends with the bigot mindset that created it. But then the republican party never hides the fact that they are outright bigots, oh, they will deny their bigotry if asked a direct question but their actions show the truth.
That's because they're cowards. I have more respect for the neo-Nazis that parade around in brown shirts. At least they don't hide their racism.
Even the most cowardly have more balls than conservatives.
WATCH: Confronting Elected Birthers on the Hill
the confederates are afraid of the 'base'.
Agreed. Have you noticed how that the only people who keep bringing this "Birther" crap up are white Republicans and their media stooges? This is a bullshit issue that should have died off when the birth certificate (and the official document from Hawaii IS proof) was produced.
It's totally obvious that the GOP and twits like Dobbs are actually the Klan, appealing only to race-hating white power idiots who are so afraid of a black man for President that they would do anything to bring him down, to put the "boy" in his place. You could see it in the faces of the rabid pasty-faced surburbanites who showed up at Palin rallies screaming about Obama.
Outright racism you can deal with, it helps to point out who the idiots are; but racism disguised as a "Birther" movement is insidious and if the media were doing their job, they would give in no airtime.
I want to see Lou Dobbs birth certificate. Anybody with a head as big as Mayor McCheese's had to have been born on another planet.
I'm not a "birther" (just a libertaltarian) but If McCaint' was president...
...Democrats would most certainly be all over the fact (and I would too) that John McCain't was born in the "Panama canal zone" before it was a U.S. territory...
I agree with Evet...it's a "setup distraction" (don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain)
democrats wouldn't.
...that msm (would be showing us) if he was president.
...you know, the same msm that brings us the same talking head bullshit that we are looking at and hearing now!
(uh oh...I think I just equated myself with a talking head) silly me.
Bull. This campaign to discredit Obama's birth was going on before he was elected. There was no such equivalent, organized attempt to smear McCain on the same grounds by Democrats during the campaign. This is pure right-wing B.S.
Sorry - double post.
This is part of the problem: The belief perpetuated in the media that both sides of the aisle are just as bad as the other. They are not. I will be the first to say that the Democratic party is frustratingly incompetent and corrupt. However, the GOP is that in spades and they have proven they will say or do ANYTHING to advance their agenda.
How many local GOP parties have been caught putting out blatanly-racist propaganda about Obama? Dozens. Ever seen that from our camp? I don't think so.
The Dems had every opportunity in the past to bring up McCain's Panama history. They did not.
what's the fucking difference between them again?
a Bircher?
that's complete bullshit and you know it. that's nothing but rationalizing for the extreme right. There may be a handful of blogs that may do it but not one Democratic lawmaker would make that claim. that's a birther excuse if I ever heard one.
that's complete bullshit and you know it. that's nothing but rationalizing for the extreme right. There may be a handful of blogs that may do it but not one Democratic lawmaker would make that claim. that's a birther excuse if I ever heard one.
Sorry, Milquetoast, you're wrong. In an action that shows the difference between the parties, 2 DEMOCRATIC Senators (their names escape me, but I think Mulkaski was one) joined with a Republican Senator to declare that since McCain was born while his parents were stationed overseas, he should not be punished for their service AND DECLARED HIM A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN for the purpose of his campaign for president. The non-binding Senate resolution PASSED UNANIMOUSLY IN THE US SENATE, obviously, with all Democrats voting for it. That is class; stating you're "not sure" if Obama is eligible, casting doubt on his presidency, in class-less.
Oh, BTW, McCain was NOT born in the Panama Canal Zone (controlled by the US). He was born in Colon, Panama. There is a legitimate question as to his eligibility to be president, but the Dems took the high road for a veteran & POW. I just wish the Republicans could do the same.
Sorry, it was Leahy & Claire McCaskill who sponsored the Senate Res.
A congressman is bringing a resolution to the floor basically saying Hawaii is good and Obama is a citizen. It's a lose lose resolution for conservatives. They vote against it, they look like crazies and alienate the sane Republicans. They vote for it, they piss off the birthers. Either way they lose votes. Keep it going.
conservative lawmakers could have stopped this in the very beginning saving their ass. But they had to play to the extreme right thinking it would help them. Thank Jim Inhofe. Keep this shit up and we wont have to worry about those Blue Dogs. The majority will be large enough to pass anything we want.
A congressman is bringing a resolution to the floor basically saying Hawaii is good and Obama is a citizen. It's a lose lose resolution for conservatives. They vote against it, they look like crazies and alienate the sane Republicans. They vote for it, they piss off the birthers. Either way they lose votes. Keep it going.
conservative lawmakers could have stopped this in the very beginning saving their ass. But they had to play to the extreme right thinking it would help them. Thank Jim Inhofe. Keep this shit up and we wont have to worry about those Blue Dogs. The majority will be large enough to pass anything we want.
Remember 'Blue Hawaii'? Elvis? Now that's American!
...How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right
The militia movement was only one strategy of the broad coalition of right-wing extremists who call themselves the "Patriot" movement, which also included an array of tax protesters, "constitutionalists," antiabortion extremists, antienvironmentalists, various conspiracy theorists, and the movement's core of religious white nationalists. The strategy of forming militias was aimed at recruiting from the mainstream, particularly among gun owners. It eventually fell prey to disrepute and entropy, for reasons mostly related to financial mismanagement and competing egos and agendas, as well as the failure of its dire warnings of a New World Order apocalypse around the supposed Y2K problem in late 1999. Other Patriot strategies have proved to have greater endurance. One of the most important of these is “common law courts" and their various permutations, which revolve around the idea of “sovereign citizen ship." and conceive of every white Christian male American, essentially, as a king unto himself. The movement is always mutable.
This fundamental strategy also includes forming vigilante citizen militias to perform necessary “community-security” functions, giving rise to perhaps the most famous of these offshoots: the Minuteman movement, which to this day organizes "border watches" along the U.S.-Mexico border in California, Arizona, and Texas (as well as other states, including Washington along its border with Canada). When Minuteman Project cofounder Chris Simcox began organizing border-watch patrols in early 2003 in his hometown of Tombstone, he called his outfit the Tombstone Militia (though he changed it in relatively short order to the Civil Homeland Defense Corps). Simcox's campaign was attracting press attention as early as January 2003, when he was inviting media members to observe the group’s patrols. Typical of both the supporters and the offshoots of the Minuteman Project, they have consistently identified themselves with the militia (or Patriot) movement, and they call themselves "militias" unhesitatingly. Likewise, prior to the announcement of the Minuteman Project, press coverage of the border militia movement referred consistently to the participants as "militiamen."
The Minutemen have similarly spouted both Patriot-style New World Order conspiracy theories and their own special brand of xenophobic conspiracism- notably, the claim that Latino immigrants are part of a grand “reconquista” plot by Mexico to reclaim the southwestern United States. And when cofounder Jim Gilchrist--who actually concocted the original Minuteman Project scheme in October 2004 and linked up with Simcox the following spring to make it happen--ran for Congress in 2006, he did so on the ticket of the American Independent Party, which happens to be the California chapter of the Patriot oriented Constitution Party. Gilchrist latter indicated he would like to run for president under its banner.--David Neiwert (chap.7 p.134/135)
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I hope you enjoyed your week off.
dump Lou Dobbs sorry ass on the other side of the Mexican border with a sign ducttaped to his back stating how badly he hates Mexicans?
Entertainment!
Breaking news: Lou Dobbs just figured out the Professor vs. the Police story wasn't about race, but rather about class.
I just watched Bernie Sanders duke it out with Orrin Hatch over health care. Bernie eviscerated Orrin!
Added bonus: Lou was speechless.
Funny part is ol' Orrin tried to get a constitutional amendment back in '03 or '04 so Arnie could run for prez. I wonder if anyone at Fox thought to bring that up.
Where did you see this????
I know, it stunned me too.
The great thing was, Lou just let them go at it! C&L has to get a clip of that!
:)
If the US media has a liberal bias, why is any position on the left labeled partisan and extremist, even radical? You never hear the most radical right-wing garbage referred to as being partisan or extreme. There is a double standard in place, and it does not favor the left. No way, no how.
Like it caught up with Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Lielyand the rest of the right wing hate machine?
ZERO-NADA-NOTHING---
Lou Dobbs---is a Crazy Dude! Turn Him Off!!!! He is a turn-off!!!
I don't think Dobbs is actually insane. I do, however, believe he is absolutely terrified - genuinely paranoid - of anyone colored.
Which is ALMOST insane.
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This reminds me of that chapter in Freakonomics about the two guys who pretty much neutralized the KKK by describing the groups moronic rituals in graphic detail. I wish Jon Stewart would get some company in this modern day effort.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesM...
by "DadBode"
This is why:
Birther: "Oh why won't Barack Obama release his birth certificate? If only he did that simple little thing, we could put this whole matter to rest. And it would only cost him ten dollars."
Rational Person (RP): "Didn't you see the birth certificate he posted online?"
Birther: "Anyone could have Photoshopped that. In fact, I saw an anonymous guy on the Internet claim that he could prove it was faked. He's an expert in 'instructional media.'"
RP: "You do realize that 'instructional media' doesn't have anything to do with document analysis, right?"
Birther: "Regardless, it's still fake. If Obama truly had nothing to hide, he'd release his long-form birth certificate, not this computer printout."
RP: "How should he release it? If he simply posted a scan online, wouldn't you accuse it of being faked?"
Birther: "Oh, certainly. Anything he produces shouldn't be trusted unless it's reviewed by a competent authority, like a judge."
RP: "So if Obama obtained his long-form birth certificate, published it, had a judge review it, and then the judge announced that it was legit and he was born in Hawaii, that would be enough? You'd give up arguing that his election is illegitimate, stop filing lawsuits, and concede that he's eligible to be President?"
Birther: "Hardly. For all we know, Obama's parents could have lied to Hawaiian officials, and claimed he was born in Hawaii, when he was actually born in Kenya. Or Canada. For all we know, Hawaiian officials themselves might be in on the cover-up."
RP: "What if it can be proven beyond a doubt that the birth certificate is real and accurate, and that he was born in Hawaii. Let's say there's a video of John F. Kennedy himself playing midwife to Ann Dunham. Would that settle the matter?"
Birther: "It'd settle the matter of where he was born. But that doesn't mean he's a natural-born citizen and eligible to be President."
RP: "Why?"
Birther: "Because before he was born, his mother married a British citizen. That means she gave up her American citizenship even before he was born. And Obama can't be a natural-born citizen if neither of his parents were American citizens."
RP: "So you're begging Obama to release his birth certificate, even though you admit it won't actually stop your complaints."
Birther: "That's right."
RP: "Well, what if I can show you that American citizens don't give up their American citizenship when they marry foreigners? Will that put this to rest?"
Birther: "Oh, no. Even if I accepted that he was born in Hawaii, and that his mother was still an American citizen, his father was still a Kenyan and British citizen, and that means Obama inherited dual citizenship and thus wasn't a natural-born citizen. So he can't be President."
RP: "I see. For the sake of argument, then, let's say that I could show you that there's no requirement that a natural-born citizen be born of two U.S. citizens. Would that satisfy you?"
Birther: "Sorry, but no. Even if the birth certificate proves he was born in Hawaii, and he could show that his mother was a U.S. citizen when he was born, and that his father's citizenship didn't disqualify him, there's still the matter of Indonesia."
RP: "What does Indonesia have to do with anything?"
Birther: "When Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro, she gave up her U.S. citizenship, and by proxy, Obama's U.S. citizenship. So he can't be President."
RP: "No, it doesn't work that way. Didn't we already cover this with her first marriage?"
Birther: "It doesn't matter. Even if her marriage didn't invalidate his citizenship, when Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, he ceased to be a U.S. natural-born citizen. So he can't be President."
RP: "A minor child can't surrender his U.S. citizenship that way. Besides, there's no evidence that he was adopted in the first place."
Birther: "Even if that's the case, he's still not in the clear. Because when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on his Indonesian passport, he gave up his U.S. citizenship."
RP: "Apart from the fact that that wouldn't have sacrificed his citizenship, do you actually have any direct evidence that he in fact did use an Indonesian passport?"
Birther: "Not direct evidence. But American passport holders weren't allowed into Pakistan in 1981."
RP: "Do you have any evidence that that is actually true about travel to Pakistan in 1981?"
Birther: "No."
RP: "I see. OK, if you put aside the passport, would you concede that he's eligible to be President?"
Birther: "Still no. When Obama was adopted, his name was legally changed to 'Barry Soetoro.' There's no proof he ever changed his name back, but he ran for President as 'Barack Obama.' And that violates election law. I will never accept his Presidency until I see the documentation where he changed his name back to Obama."
RP: "That's impossible. How can he possibly produce that documentation, when he never changed his name away from Obama in the first place? What proof is there that he was ever legally adopted or changed his name? And even if he was adopted, what possible reason would there be to legally change his first name to a nickname?"
Birther: "A school application in Indonesia says his last name was 'Soetoro.' They take those applications very seriously in Indonesia, so this is solid legal proof that he was adopted and had a name change."
RP: "And the fact that the same application says he was born in Hawaii?"
Birther: "That was a mistake."
RP: "OK, so to recap, you wanted Obama to release a birth certificate, but when he did, you accused it of being a forgery? Right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And you say that if he simply shared his long-form birth certificate with the public, that could be forged too? Right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "So you want him to release his long-form birth certificate and to have that birth certificate reviewed by a judge, to satisfy his critics and answer the questions they're asking? Right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And if the judge affirms that the birth certificate is legitimate and it says his place of birth was Hawaii, you say it might be falsified, right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And even if he proves he was born in Hawaii, you claim he's still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother's first marriage, right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And if he then proves that the marriage isn't an issue, you claim he's still not a natural-born citizen because of his father's citizenship, right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And if he then proves that his father's citizenship isn't an issue, you claim he's still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother's second marriage, right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And if he then proves that his mother's second marriage isn't an issue, you claim he's still not a natural-born citizen because of his supposed adoption, right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And if he then proves that he didn't give up his citizenship via adoption, you claim that he's still not a natural-born citizen because of his 1981 travel to Pakistan, right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "And if he then proves that he didn't give up his citizenship via passport, and even when you run out of citizenship arguments completely, you then claim his election is illegitimate because his legal surname is Soetoro, right?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "So you want to know why Obama won't take the simple measure of releasing his birth certificate, when you already have at least eight consecutive fall-back arguments you'll make if he does so, whereby you'll continue to insist that he's ineligible for the Presidency even after he proves that he was born in Hawaii?"
Birther: "Right."
RP: "Y'know, if I were Obama, I think I'd save my ten dollars too."
comment @ Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:08 AM
You're killing me! XD
...is how Obama got his first passport if he doesn't have a valid birth certificate?
Idiots like Dobbs, who are just milking this crap for ratings, keep pretending that there are unanswered questions about Obama's citizenship. Well, Lou, if Obama has a passport, how did he get it? Are we to believe that the State Department gave Obama a passport based on his assurance that he is a citizen? I'm assuming Obama got his first passport before he announced he was running for president. On what basis would the State Department alter its requirements for proof of citizenship in order to give non-citizen Obama a passport to which he was not entitled.
That's what makes this whole thing so unbelievably stupid. What questions, Lou, haven't been answered? Of course, if every time someone claims Obama isn't a citizen because he hasn't produced a valid birth certificate -- despite the FACT that he has -- you consider that a new question, then there will always be unanswered questions. And Lou Dobbs, by pretending such questions are in any way valid, will continue to be an irresponsible hack.
First: TV News, stop giving these idiots airtime. It feeds them.
Second: Birthers, Republicans, racists and sore losers, just be honest. Come out and say, "We're mad because he won!" Just say it and get it over with. You'll feel a lot better afterwards.
Hateful bastards.
For that matter, has anyone seen Lou Dobbs birth certificate?
I have it on almost unimpeachable authority that Dobbs is nothing more that a cyborg built out of surplus insurance salesmen parts and an Vietnam Era teleprompter.
(Being o/s) I do find that the American media is extremely inwards focussed. 1/2 of the time journalists spend on air seems to be discussing other journalists rather than issues.
There's going to be standing room only.
You see as long as these WACKOS are talking the more they are invalidating the (Goofy Opposition Party) GOP. Have you tried to talk with one of these screwballs on the street they walk away, they have NO critical thought process and talk with musings and sound bites. Show them proof and it becomes a conspiracy to side track them.
Now start focusing on the IDIOTS in Congress and the Senate that endorse repeat and regurgitate this Stupidity then run the sound bites on the National Leadership don't worry their too STUPID to see the fallacy of what they are saying and are more worried about a sound bite then truisms and REAL Government.
This I know to be true as I have repeatedly tried to engage these WHACKOS in a INTELLIGENT conversation only to have them walk away in dicuass at being proven wrong. With right Wingers it is about perpatrating the lie all else to the is nonsense.
Dobbs gladly gobbles up Reslug dick.
"And so we learned from Kurtz's unwillingness to criticize Klein that he likes having the job of media critic more than he likes doing the job of media critic."
I think we already knew this, didn't we? He is fairly consistent in his failure to call out any of his buddies for inaccuracies, smears and out-and-out lies. I'm actually quite surprised he bothered to say anything at all, especially about DOBBS.
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