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There's a reason the Tea Party crowd still believes in "death panels" -- namely, because Sarah Palin, who coined the term, keeps claiming that they really do exist still.

Nevermind, of course, that it has long been exposed as a complete falsehood, and was named "Lie of the Year" by PolitiFact. To right-wingers like Sarah Palin, though, you can lie through your teeth, tell the press that up is down, that a report finding you guilty of various abuses of power as Alaska's governor in fact actually "completely exonerates" you -- and everyone will stand around and pretend like it's just another point of view.

So she repeated it again last night on Hannity:

Hannity: You stand by those comments because you think it still exists in the bill.

Palin: I do. It's a commission, it's bureaucracy, it's bureaucrats who will ration care if the bill goes through as Obama wants it to go through. Yes -- it's modeled, in essence, after a British system that does have people to decide whether, based on your quality of life, your age, whether you're gonna deserve health-care coverage or not -- that's what's gonna happen in America if this health-care bill isn't stopped, and it needs to be stopped soon, and that's why the people of this land can't give up in demanding that their voice be heard, demanding that the White House understand that this is a representative form of government, we do expect that the will of the people is listened to and adhered to and implemented via our representatives, who we elect.

Eh? The British system has no such "commissions." As the AP recently reported, officials in Britain recently repudiated claims like Palin's:

The criticism, widely covered in the U.K. media, has clearly stung Britain's left-leaning Labour government. The Department of Health took the unusual step of contacting The Associated Press and e-mailing it a three-page rebuttal to what it said were misconceptions about the NHS being bandied about in the U.S. media – each one followed with the words: "Not true."

At the top of the list was the idea that a patient in his late 70s would not be treated for a brain tumor because he was too old – a transparent reference to Grassley's comments about Kennedy.

And what of Republicans' claim that British patients are robbed of their medical choices? False again, the department said.

"Everyone who is cared for by the NHS in England has formal rights to make choices about the service that they receive," it said in its rebuttal.

Then followed a fact sheet comparing selected statistics such as health spending per capita, infant mortality, life expectancy, and more. Each one showed England outperforming its trans-Atlantic counterpart.

The British government offers health care for free at the point of need, a service pioneered by Labour in 1948. In the six decades since, its promise of universal medical care, from cradle to grave, is taken for granted by Britons to such an extent that politicians – even fiscal conservatives – are loath to attack it.

Apparently Palin is referring to British cost-containment measures:

The NHS has a body called the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) that decides which new treatments and drugs the NHS should pay for. One of the factors NICE considers when deciding whether to approve funding for a new treatment or drug is cost-effectiveness. To determine the dividing line between what is cost-effective and what isn't, it must set a threshold. Taking its lead from Britain's Department of Transport — which has a cost-per-life-saved threshold for new road schemes of about $2.2 million per life, or about $45,000 per life year gained — NICE rarely approves a drug or treatment that costs more than $45,000 per life year gained. In short, NICE does not want the NHS to spend more than $45,000 to extend a citizen's life by one year.

While NICE's decisions have angered some doctors and patient groups — particularly some oncologists who say they are unable to prescribe expensive, life-extending cancer drugs — mainstream politicians, the media and most Britons accept NICE's rare rejections as a necessary compromise to keep universal coverage affordable in the face of rising health-care costs. As NICE chairman Sir Michael Rawlins recently told TIME, "All health-care systems have implicitly, if not explicitly, adopted some form of cost control. In the U.S., you do it by not providing health care to some people. That's a rather brutal way of doing it."

Indeed, that's the point PolitiFact raised in its piece on Palin's lie:

Democrats responded by saying the accusation wasn't true and highlighting the actual Medicare provision and what it said.

That wasn't necessarily an effective strategy, said Drew Westen, a psychologist who studies political communication and advises Democrats on messaging. "Instead of stopping and asking themselves, 'What are Republicans trying to appeal to?' the Democrats rolled their eyes and said, 'Isn't this stupid,' " he said. "On one level, it was stupid, but on another level, it was hitting seniors very close to where they live."

People intuitively understand that health care reform is about lowering costs, and end-of-life care can be quite costly, he said. The "death panels" claim exploited fears that people already had. Rather than just saying the claim wasn't true, Westen said, a better response would be that there already are "death panels" — run by insurance companies.

Indeed, there is no doubt that "death panels" already exist. They're just called insurance-company policies.

For right-wingers like Sarah Palin, though, it's better to have people denied any coverage whatsoever than the possibility that a government insurance plan might ration access to expensive treatments.

Baldfacedly and defiantly lying about it, evidently, is just part of the deal.

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curtilingus's picture

Oh no! The new bill has death panels in it. After they took them out, they put them back in again!

How can we ever trust our government?

Mike V.'s picture

is like watching a fucking roundtable of stupidity that never ends.
and going round and round and round again..
besides, it's not like the truth (which has a liberal bias) is important to these fuckers. so long as they serve their corporate masters. and by serve their corporate masters, I mean Palin is barely worth the CEO cock she loves to suck..

Mr. Green Jeans's picture

a box of rocks.

The spread is 30 to the box.


"Let's talk dirty to the animals"

than government ones. When a patient gets denied coverage because their private health insurance won't cover it or because they don't have any health coverage...

At least they the patient can take solace in knowing the government didn't sentence them to death. They can take comfort in knowing it was the far more caring private system who delivered the hard news.


Goodnight, Frau Blücher

You mean like the Death Panels who would convict Mormons, Witches, Homosexuals and anyone who gets an abortion?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ricky's picture

and homosexuals who get abortions rare. Is disfigurement in a snowmobile race accident covered?


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

if these "death panels" (in her vacant bonehead)
are in the health care bill, then maybe she will
be the first recipient to take advantage of this
and quiet her mouth of lies.

Evet's picture

Republicans understand the Big Lie Theory and it works on their base at least.

kwt3200's picture

all you have to do is have several people (Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin) repeat the same lie over and over and over and the morons will believe it and even some normal people might buy into the lie, too

liberalNmoderation's picture

to continue spreading her BS death panel lie?

No...it was so she could spread her death panel lie and get a weekly salary and benefits to do it.


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

surfjac's picture

..she just likes to lie and quit.

deleted by me before I just say somethin' bad. Oh bad surfjac (smacks hand with ruler)


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

liberalNmoderation's picture

Sweet lard I hate that woman.

Hard Justice's picture
Yep

She - like Fox - doesn't like her world view burdened by heavy things like facts, or obscured by confusing concepts like logic or compassion.

In a fact-free zone you came come up with all kinds of crazy stuff. The sky's the limit!

the sky's the limit if she ever
comes out of that hole she's in......

Shadowgm's picture

She'll just see her shadow and go back in, and there will be another few weeks of winter ...

kwt3200's picture

when lying is so much easier. Its very easy, you lie and then act folksy, straight out of the Donald Rumsfeld School of Charm. "Oh, golly gee, whiz, shucks"

ccf's picture

she doesn't read much

Hard Justice's picture

In both cases she has someone do it for her.

Dave Wolf's picture

Sarah Failin' represents a lotta folks out there...

you - betcha!

ccf's picture
sad

but true

liberalNmoderation's picture

who wouldn't know shit if they had a mouthful.

This is one grandma that I wish someone would pull the plug on.


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

then she would leak.........

surfjac's picture

..heart plugs. eerie


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Shadowgm's picture

David Lynch film.

surfjac's picture

..Its been a while since I read the book but I'm pretty sure that was in there. You might be correct; I'll have to read them all again (start to finish although I didn't care much for the pre-quels).


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Shadowgm's picture

The Baron was morbidly obese and didn't have the disfiguring skin diseases shown in the Lynch film.

He DID use a two-stage poison on Thufir Hawat, but didn't give Hawat a cat to take care of. (I mean, really ... if the cat had been surgically/genetically altered to provide an antidote, would you REALLY give it to a Mentat?)

SciFi Channel (excuse me, SyFy) did a reasonably good adaptation of Dune and Children of Dune.

Samson-'s picture

It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

surfjac's picture

..and the disfiguration is mentioned in House Harkonnen. The Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother Helen Gaius Mohaim (sp?) that subjected Paul to the BOX who was Jessica's Mother gave the handsome Baron the disease when he knocked her up with Jessica in the pre-quel.

While I do think Lynch went off the tracks with the "weirding module", the Syfy film went off the tracks with its screenplay. Not that I dislike the Syfy movie (I own the DVD), it was better than the Lynch film (2 hrs 20 min.) or Director's cut that goes on for four hours. It would be fun to discuss this at length. I don't think the Site Monitor will let us get away with that. But now I may have to go to my own Mentat Alex for confirmation. I wish I had more time for leisure reading.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

liberalNmoderation's picture

version...MUCH better IMHO.

Shoeless's picture

Since we're on a sci-fi theme, here's Sarah version of a British death panel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnLU9nyFSA

taller ghost walt's picture

the biggest dipshit of the highest order.

She is clearly being fed this garbage by her corporate masters b/c she has no intellectual curiousity to speak of to figure out these things on her own.

She just regurgitates what she's paid to spit out.

surfjac's picture

..she reads or if she reads?


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

AngryGus's picture

That we don't have anything like the NHS and never will


Cue the Kabuki....

They have spent decades bashing the media as being "liberal" so now they feel like they can say any damned old thing, repeat any lie and revise history. If anybody dares to call them on it, why, it's just that "liberal media" again doing what the liberal media does best. I've come to expect this from those people but they got the extra added bonus of the fact that the media has become so terrified of being called liberal that they actually sustain and legitimize the lies by repeating them, invoking false equivalencies and allowing them platforms from with the propagandize. Every serious person in the media knows there are no "Death Panels" but here we are, still talking about them, MONTHS after the were debunked, rather than what an abominable give away to insurance and pharma this bill has become.


Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine

Evet's picture

from the media.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/January/10...

Still want to buy Health Insurance as mandated by law?

BlueSam's picture

A Family Company.

Nice slogan. Now go fuck yourself.

A family company only means that you hire family members in high-paying positions and practice competition-crippling nepotism in the most egregious manner.

CnLLover's picture

Why anyone would want to listen to this wench, is beyond me. She is such an idiot. It sure looks to me this was her plan all along. Hopefully this will destroy FOX. I am so sick of the unfair, biased reports and staff.

if you combined the dna of palin and prejean,
then you would have something with 1/2 a brain cell
functioning on 2% efficiency.

LeftandLeft's picture

A hopeless liar, ignoramous, and a skank. And people want her as President.

fastfeat's picture

automatically disqualify one from holding higher office in this country?


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

surfjac's picture

wash, rinse, repeat


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

liberalNmoderation's picture

Like, "I'm gonna shit my pants if that stupid C**T gets anymore airtime".

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
.

.

INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE the DEATH PANELS!
THEY employ a panel of employees who make decisions to DENY care.

.


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.

We need to start the meme that insurance companies are run by illegal immigrant, dark skinned socialist liberals.

BlueSam's picture

stop buying the shit they sell.

Wow. How fucking simple is that?

liberalNmoderation's picture

I can't afford it anyway, lol

liberalNmoderation's picture

maybe if you used the word "communist" or "Muslim" I might buy it...

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
.

How is starting rumors based on lies supposed to combat the lunacy lies of Palin? Or do you think she's setting the example to follow?


Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.

Hard Justice's picture
>'<

I agree 100% with that sentiment

miss_kitty's picture

I just opened up my Part B envelope (the private administrator part for Medicare) and they denied my provider's claim for a colonoscopy done in June, because, according to the reason given "The service(s) was denied because denied [uh, sic] as not furnished directly to the patient," like I had a stand-in for it.

Thanks Private Administrators for making my medical provider submit and resubmit and appeal your asinine decision. I'm sure it costs nothing to do that. I'd sure hate it if the gov thought I had a stunt double for medical tests. It makes so much sense.

Old Billy's picture

I love how they drop the several month wait time in there. I just had a bill from April come back as not covered because it was not indicated by a physician. (It most certainly was.) They know that they'll collect on a certain percentage of these if they just make it difficult enough for the patient. Lying sacks of crap.

miss_kitty's picture

No problem with the endoscopy performed at the same time.

Old Billy's picture

The right hand knows not what the left hand is doing?

miss_kitty's picture

I called Medicare, and it is apparently is the way the paperwork was filled out. Second appeal, BTW. I go to public health, and this sort of shit puts continual monetary strain on the public health system. If Noridian defaults on this, it'll be picked up by charity care, more money from a different federal pocket.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

"And when the end of the Yuga comes, the right hand will deceive the left and the left the right. And men with false reputation of learning will contract Truth and the old will betray the senselessness of the young, and the young will betray the dotage of the old. And cowards will have the reputation of bravery and the brave will be cheerless like cowards. And towards the end of the Yuga men will cease to trust one another. And full of avarice and folly the whole world will have but one kind of food. And sin will increase and prosper, while virtue will fade and cease to flourish. And Brahmanas and Kshatriyas and Vaisyas will disappear, leaving, O king, no remnants of their orders. And all men towards the end of the Yuga will become members of one common order, without distinction of any kind."


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Why can't we divide up the country and give these friggin whack jobs their own area?

They can have their own State called "Jesusland", and if they stray out of the borders we can shoot them on sight.

I'm so tired of these crazy-zombies and their far-right out-of-sight BS.

Give them 2 states.

Tell each one the other state thinks their brand of religion is a fraud.

Sit back and watch them destroy each other.


Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.

Shadowgm's picture

Check out Northern Ireland and/or Iraq.

Shadowgm's picture

MARS.

True, there's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere there, but being as the 'baggers and their ilk think there's nothing wrong with excessive amounts of CO2, they should be just fine.

surfjac's picture

..good one.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Budger's picture

There she goes again. Every time she opens her mouth, her brains fall out.

a small splatter on the toilet seat.....

This lie not to be confused with her 2008 fib that Todd was never a member of the Alaska Independent Party.

She doesn't know the difference between WWI and WW2, and she's never heard of the Korean War, but she's an expert on the British health care system. I'm not saying that the two are related, but she's obviously not interested in the world around her beyond being able to answer questions with the vaguest possible, factually challenged answer.

Well they got one line right in the Palin Song.

BlueSam's picture

is clever in the manner in which the T-Heads ask questions.

Hannity: "You stand by those comments because you think it still exists in the bill."

He asks her if she THINKS the death panel protocol is still in the bill. There is no attempt at clarifying by way of FACT what is actually in the bill.

They set up a lie and then explain their opinion as though it is indeed based on some factual data.

They are both lying, hateful, pig-fucking cretins.

We beat the British in a war some years ago. They are getting back at us by providing a civil society to live in and are kicking our US ass in health care for citizens and in numerous other social indicators. They have beaten the USA at what we thought was our own game - freedom.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,859...

The leader of Britain's right-wing Conservative Party, David Cameron, expressed his support for the health service on Aug. 14: "One of the wonderful things about living in this country is that the moment you're injured or fall ill — no matter who you are, where you are from or how much money you've got — you know that the NHS will look after you."

CFAmick's picture

are more liberal than American liberals. They also have a much less angry, litigious society.

BlueSam's picture

this reply would come.

OK. Then point is, whatever the depth of lean to the right, in the British context, he is right-wing.

miss_kitty's picture

or are Peter Carter-Fuck v Private Eye a gazillion times. There's a lot of suing that goes on in the UK, it's just not over the same kind of shit.

Has anyone else noticed that the Fox News chyron is blue when the viewer is supposed to approve of the message and red when the viewer is supposed to be against it? Or, is it just my perception?

Evet's picture

you may be on to something.

BlueSam's picture

They might like an angle to pursue and have the time to do it.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Dr. Acula's picture

you IGNORAMOOSE!

surfjac's picture

..rape-ublican't? Why, its the truth, of course. How silly.
Their universe is just chock full of lies that must be the truth.
Idiots especially the quitta from Wasilla who just can't seem to grasp the truth of anything let alone that her 15 minutes had expired a year ago.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

The great danger, which I am sure president Obama can see, is that if this bill passes and when the Republicans regain the White House, the Death Panels which Republicans have imagined into the bill will become a reality.

Limp-Dick Blimpaugh's picture

She's embarrassing to all intelligent, educated women, being that she's so damn dumb, uneducated and ignorant.

Shadowgm's picture

... apples (intelligent, educated women like our own POP) with lead weights (Palin).

BlueSam's picture

but....

who is paying for all the medical care the people of Haiti will receive via US involvement in the rescue effort?

MSNBC just reported a story about a young boy who had his skull crushed and was med-evaced to Miami and put through surgery. From the initial report he will recover.

Who will pay for the 100s of thousands of dollars in medical care for him?

You know - the Repugs are famous for saying that we don't do enough to "take care of our own". In this case, I could not agree more.

We don't do enough to take care of our own and without national health care, we never will.

But...we will continue to provide care for those in tragedy...as we should..but talk about a fucked up approach.

surfjac's picture

..so if this is off or out-there..
I have to compare this to Emergency Room care that everyone in this country has access to. Definitely an emergency and hopefully the young boy and others like him will recover enough to live a normal life. I know chances are slim but aren't they also slim for all the people who depend on Emergency Room care because they have no health insurance. This point of yours is just another reason Single Payer or a Good Public Option was needed but we got nothing from the right wing worth a damn and not enough spine or support in the Senate (the best Senate, health care's money could buy). Also, from a purely income/profit/expenditure point of view, wouldn't the hospital be able to write these procedures off? You'll have to get a tax attorney to answer that but I'm glad we can offer medical assistance to people such as the Haitians who are in desparate need right now.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

BlueSam's picture

Taking care of our own is what a national health care program is all about.

More hot air from the right and now the left as well.

I guess we have not lived up to our founding. If a program gives everybody regardless of station an equal share then it is something to fight about instead of something to work for.

project's picture

That some of the parents of these republicans didn't at least tell them, that lying is not a good thing! Never ever trust or believe anything said by a republican! Ever!

Dr. Acula's picture

"a mind is a terrible thing".

Old Billy's picture

He said, "A mind is a terrible thing not to have..."

Old Billy's picture

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

Wow.

surfjac's picture

"..demanding that the White House understand that this is a representative form of government, we do expect that the will of the people is listened to and adhered to and implemented via our representatives, who we elect."

Right, there are NO Death Panels (unless you mean the health care companies themselves who pumped millions into Congress to get the sweetest deal money can buy), most of the country WANTS that Public Option, you weren't elected AND now please STFU.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Brad's picture

At least one death committee was dissolved, when Obama dismissed Bush's bio-ethics committee. bioethics.gov

"Bio-conservatives" like mystic Leon Kass, want us to live "natural" life spans, and would stand between the dying and the medical innovations they strive to attain. For our own "good."

Kass has a problem with people getting too old without suffering diseases associated with aging, which is encouraging in a way, since it might indicate we are poised on a threshold of life/happiness extending medical breakthroughs.

Dr. Acula's picture

the Quitta is Popula...

Palin FNC Ratings Sky High (FishbowlDC)
Sarah Palin hit the nearly 4 million viewer jackpot Tuesday night for her debut appearance on Fox News's The O'Reilly Factor as a Fox News contributor. That number is up 42 percent from the same night last year, and up 26 percent compared to every other day of the show in January. TVNewser: Glenn Beck interviews Palin from a pricey perch.

ian m's picture

Rubbernecking probably accounts for the increase in viewership.

Old Billy's picture

Sunlight is an excellent disinfectant.

She told Steve Schmidt that being chosen by McCain was "God's Plan." Well, they lost. So, how does she rationalize that, I wonder? I mean if she really, truly, believed that it was divine intervention. I wonder why no one has asked her about that? Some one like, oh, I don't know, Bill O'Reilly.

..whoa, was that a pig flying past my window? Oh, no it wasn't.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Dr. Acula's picture

not in the NO FACT zone.

ricky's picture

to learn how to get ripped?


"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter

Pennlady's picture

The short fat one and the winker will tell many many lies before this year is over.


pennlady

kwt3200's picture

"In The Beginning"

[First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.

[Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
and now to suit our
great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

[First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be.

[Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
that you perceive
the web they weave
And keep on thinking free.

kwt3200's picture

Republicans and their supporters (typically, though not exclusively, minimally educated, racist, xenophobic, paranoid, selfish, greedy, delusional people) feel that the liberal elite socialist communist facist they think they're so smart types are going to hand their massive farm subsidies over to the Blacks and Illegal Immigrants. The fight over health care is represented by the Tea Party Movement which was organized behind the scenes by the Health Care Industry lobbies with RNC assistance - and the morons bought into the idea once idiot Sarah Palin started her lying about government death panels. You don't think that Guv'ment worker in Kentucky hung himself do you ? Remember what was written on the corpse's chest ? Fed.

JohnnyBravo's picture

It's like the dumbest people and biggest liars get the most airtime! Almost makes me want to cancel my cable and chuck my TV!


NOBODY 2012

d m nolan's picture

Sarah, who's your favorite Beatle? Maybe she should save her contempt for the French health care system so as not to offend Tony Blair, her soulmate in vacuous blather.

Old Billy's picture

A. "Oh, I like all of them..."

B. "And also too, under the umbrella of job creation, it's got to be about lower taxes and getting big government out of the way."

C. "In what respect, Charlie?"

Security Hippo's picture

Palin's lie may have been the biggest whopper of 2009, but the notion that Britain's current Labour government is "left-leaning" in any meaningful sense of the word must be an early contender for 2010.

Old Billy's picture

Debunking Palin's BS is like shooting a fish in a barrell. The only problem is that the fish keeps jumping back up and saying, "You missed me, nyah-nyah."

Political Pinball's picture

That's quite possible the dumbest defense I have EVER heard. Sarah Palin has an interesting partnership, the conviction of someone reading a queue card for the first time with the intellectual capactity of a Q-Tip. Truly remarkable.

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