Wingnut John Ziegler pays Shuster a second visit from Planet Bizarro
By David Neiwert Saturday Jan 10, 2009 6:00am
John Ziegler, the wingnut "documentary filmmaker" who got that much-discussed interview with Sarah Palin, showed up for a second go-round yesterday afternoon with MSNBC's David Shuster after making a national ass of himself earlier in the day during Shuster's morning news show.
In many respects, it was just a repeat of what we've already seen from Ziegler -- a prickly ideologue who quickly descends into abuse and dismissal, relying on simple tropes and an aggressively picayune attacking style to carry his argument. You'll recall that obscene exchange he had with Nate Silver in which he in short order began attacking Silver as a "pinhead" and a "hack" and wrapped it all up by telling him to go Cheney himself.
In other words, a classic wingnut. (On the segment following this, Bob Shrum observed that having to interview a nutcase like Ziegler was akin to being waterboarded.)
Watch the video and you realize that Ziegler, like many wingnuts, actually occupies another universe: the Bizarro Wingnut Universe, where up is down, right is left, and heads are implanted in hindquarters. The special quality of this universe is that its occupants believe that any point of view other than theirs is an attack upon them. Any thought other than those that jibe with their peculiar take on the world is evidence of a "bias" against theirs.
The interview is sprinkled throughout with examples of Ziegler aggressively complaining that any skepticism of the Palinoid POV is an example of "bias" against her. He's also a master of Calvinball -- moving the goalposts wherever he can find a place to erect the moth-eaten "librul media bias" banner. Mostly, he finds ways to evade answering Shuster's rather astute questions, at one point even resorting to a cheap shot against Barack Obama as a way of steering the discussion into the ditch.
Fairly typical of his style is this exchange, after Ziegler has accused Shuster of "bias" for having asked (in the earlier segment) whether or not Ziegler ever asked Palin if she took any responsibility for the election's outcome. Since there is no indication he did so in the YouTube video he's released -- which is only a small portion of the entire interview -- it actually was a reasonable question to ask.
Shuster tries to pin him down, and Ziegler filibusters with inane crosstalk before he says:
Ziegler: The YouTube video at HowObamaGotElected.com is just over nine minutes. The interview I did with Sarah Palin is fifty minutes long. You ain't seen nothin' yet with regard to the real content of this interview. And you won't until my film comes out in late February.
Shuster: All right. Great point. All right, so why don't you just say, "Oh no, she did take responsibility, but we just didn't feel the need to show it in the eight minutes that we released to the media"?
Ziegler: [Pause] Well, there are times -- Take responsibility for what exactly, David? Why don't you give me examples --
Shuster: Take responsibility for not being able to answer the question to Katie Couric, take responsibility for not understanding where --
Ziegler: She wasn't -- If you had watched the YouTube video you would have the explanation on that, but apparently you either didn't watch it, or watched it with such a partisan view that you weren't able to see clearly.
Of course, the video does no such thing, unless you're inclined to view Palin's whining about how the campaign bigwigs mishandled her on the Couric interview as "taking responsibility." It's clear she sees that debacle as other people's fault. I don't think that's a partisan reading, either.
Guys like John Ziegler are so enamored of their worldview that they don't think there's any need to persuade other people of its veracity. Of course, this can be especially tricky when it has little veracity to begin with.
Consider, for instance, that absurdly partisan poll Ziegler commissioned to form the groundwork for his "documentary." It's built around the notion that the national media were so in the tank for Obama that they neglected to properly inform the electorate about negative aspects of his character. As I observed at the time, the problem with this thesis is that the chief right-wing claims about Obama forming the basis of Ziegler's poll were dubious at best and in several cases flatly false:
-- Biden's plagiarism: While it's true that the media swirl around the "plagiarism" story probably drove him from the 1987 primary campaign, Joe Biden was in fact cleared of those charges.
-- Obama kicked opponents off the ballot: Also false.
-- Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry? Complete bulls--t.
-- Obama and Ayers: The claim he began his political career in Ayers' living room is false: "Ayers was one of many who sponsored coffees for Obama in 1995 when he declared for the Illinois Senate. The official campaign launch occurred at the Hyde Park Ramada. Their relationship barely goes beyond serving together on an education foundation board in Chicago."
So what the wingnuts are complaining about is the fact that the news media, for some strange, unknown reason, failed to pick up these falsehoods and loudly broadcast them as factual.
I left newsroom work in large part because people like Ziegler and his movement-conservative counterparts have no tolerance for any point of view other than their own -- and holding such views, or moreover even merely being properly skeptical of them, is evidence of a "liberal bias." By the late '90s I realized the reflexive fear of being accused of being "librul media" by these mau-mau masters was preventing me from reporting thoroughly, accurately, or honestly. Good thing blogging came along.
There's nothing wrong with people pointing out that journalistic "objectivity" is a malleable thing, but it's not very convincing coming from a guy who flamboyantly lacks that quality himself, whose "journalism" is transparent propaganda, and whose version of "factuality" has little bearing on actual fact.
Not to mention that he frankly appears to be unhinged, too. That's kind of a clincher.
Login or Register to post comments.
I don't think I can watch the clip after having seen their first meeting yesterday live as it happened.
First question, why the hell did MSNBC invite this guy to be on their shows yesterday and even having him on more than once? They had to know the guy was a whack job, so why give him air time? They had the clips of Palin and that should have been enough. This guy didn't talk about his interview with Palin so much as he made it all about himself and his freaky beliefs.
He says the media was unfair to Palin meanwhile he lobs nothing but bullshit against PE Obama. It's just too damn bad these sorts of people have enough of a following to become known.
9 days til "Sayonnara, Bushie," not that it's gonna make a helluva lotta difference.
Yep, we are finally down to single digits. I think it's going to make a big difference. At least we'll have adults in the white house and I'm pretty sure we can sleep at night knowing the new president isn't planning how to totally fu*k up our country.
Not totally fuck it up. Obama will half ass it though.
Hey Neiwert, you use the terms ass and hindquarters alot.
I like your work but your a little shrill and catty in this piece.
Completely disagree. About Obama and Neiwert.
.
{Deleted, Do Not advocate violence here. SiteMonitor}
Ziegler, like many wingnuts, actually occupies another universe: the Bizarro Wingnut Universe, where up is down, right is left, and heads are implanted in hindquarters. The special quality of this universe is that its occupants believe that any point of view other than theirs is an attack upon them. Any thought other than those that jibe with their peculiar take on the world is evidence of a "bias" against theirs.
That's not bizarro paranoia. It's an accurate description of the true facts. Opposing PoVs to their own ARE, necessarily, attacks on them, personally. What kind of moronic asswipe, such opposing viewpoints ask implicitly, could hold such an opinion and retain the sensibility to pilot an automobile? View contrary to their own DO represent 'bias,' against stupidity, ignorance, idiocy. I am indeed biased against folks who quite unselfconsciously pretend to be speaking for "God," say...
They are wacked-out, drooling, feculent morons, and I want nothing at all to do with any of them for any reason, at any time, under any circumstances.
love the last sentence
Dear Lord, when will the world be safe from thesew theives??
of supporters of Israel's latest atrocities, on about the same level. They dodge, swerve, weave, and then go off into another reality. Often taking an argument and turning it around to broadcast what happened X amount of years ago. It's pretty much the same thing.
"How do you explain this?"
"Well, Bill Clinton...."
OR
"Israel is systematically killing children..."
"Well, the Jews were gassed......"
See? Same type of arguments.
I see where you're coming from. My own opinion is that right now I don't give a damn about history. I care about these innocent people being killed and for what? Reminds me too much of our infamous Shock and Awe.
the world has seen anything yet patricia. See my post on the Open Thread. Seems Israel is "importing" some help from the US again.
I just was back at the open thread and read your comment. It gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
time for a little shock and awe on messers cheney and booosh
Great comment. One of the best analogies I've seen on this maddening subject.
but you had to go there...didnt you
i could say the same about supporters of hamas
Ziggy is so determined to shove Palin on the country as the second coming of christ. She only makes the base racist and the evangelical happy. She will never be excepted because of immaturity. She is so into herself. I have never seen such a person who thinks she the best thing since sliced bread. She is pretty but that doesn't make presidential material.. She doesn't seen her own faults, so she can't learn from them. Ziggy and Pain are trying to rewrite her history to make her the next president in 2012. If I were Palin I would take my 15 mins of fame and go home and study, study. She is not ready for prime time for the most important office in the land. All you have to do Sarah look in the mirror and that who is the person that lost the election for McCain.
Seems to me she has gotten by so far on her "cute" and her "flirty". Now she's on a national stage and cute and flirty aren't going to take her as far as it did in Alaska. Most people are looking to see what is behind the cute and so far we have found a void.
is starting to sag at her age, the flirty is gonna fail.
I never did find her appealing in any way.
Her whole persona seemed fake, and the eyes are those of a shark.
And that freakin' winking - I almost trashed the damn monitor.
even obama aged right before our eyes...but it hit his hair
you can see the age on her face
surprised if "cute and flirty" is the only thing that will get people out of their cardboard boxes they live in and to the voting booths. Lets hope not.
make it past the primaries if she runs...
to see someone, anyone, from the McCain campaign to come forward and give reasons as to why they looked over 300 million people and picked her. There are only two major political parties. There is no way they did not know all the baggage this nutbar would bring. I still say, they threw this election on purpose.
McCain sold his soul and allowed the right-wingers to choose his veep candidate. At that point he began to look like a fool. The more he bragged about her, the more foolish he looked. In the end he lost his soul, reputation and the election.
Palin couldn't name a freaking publication that she read.
She couldn't even think on her feet well enough to lie and say,"Time Magazine" or "Cosmo" or anything.
Because "Couric isn't the center of the universe!!??"
Yeah, boy; Palin got burned - just wait til 2012!
The country is on the precipice of a depression, unemployment has reached 7.2% and the national debt is more than $10 trillion dollars and people like this lunatic makes a documentary about Sarah Palin?
L.o.s.e.r.
Palin complained about the media talking about her kids. And she's right they shouldn't, except she used her children as stage props at every given opportunity. She had to know bringing up her teen daughter on the stage, unwed and pregnant, was going to raise some comments.
Pull your head out og your ass. Quit giving time to assholes. Let them put out there shit on fox where it belongs.
I was wondering why they gave him air time, and then I thought maybe it's best to let him come on and show the country what a nut job he really is. Expose him and diminish his credibility.
He thought she took responsibility but people would have to check it out for themselves. Instead people don't have to see the movie thanks to Ziegler. His reaction (over nothing) said it all.
....right wingers just aren't funny no matter how hard they try! Hell, they can't tell the truth, take personal responsibility in anything, and go through life with their heads up their asses.
....how months later Sarah Palin is saying she reads the 'very liberal' New York Times! I wonder how that went down in the neocon circles of the American Taliban when they learned this? Bah hahahahaha! I honestly don't care!
I'll bet dollars to snowballs that she doesn't even read the NY Times. When she tried to explain the first time she pulled the NY Times out of her ass and also USA Today. She sees USA Today when she is at every hotel she stays and the NY Times is synonymous for newspaper. She also said she read the local paper(s). Why didn't she just say "I read the local Anchorage Times" (or whatever the name of the paper is there)(of course if she read papers she would read the local Alaska papers, right? But she didn't pull the name out of her ass) and if she did do any reading maybe it was the NY Times or the Washington Post (they have become a huge presence on the web) but she doesn't read any newspapers regularly. It just seems obvious to me. And after Couric asked you would think she would start reading but after this last interview it is obvious she just blew it off. This woman is stupid but thinks she is so special becasue the idiot far right are still drooling over her.
Just like Bush, another non-reader.
I always thunk it strange that Bizarro in the Superman comic-books was always played in a comic manner.
Seems to me if he does everything opposite than Superman he fights for the antithesis of Truth, Justice and the American Way.
Think george boosh in his Dr. Dentons and a bath towel tied to his neck.
im in complete agreement with concerned canuck, the repigs threw the election, they ran an old washed up politician like mccain and a completly unknown flake from alaska sara palin for president and vp, come on folks !does that sound like the party that has had all its bases covered for the last eight years ,it was all a sham , they were satisfied that either hillary clinton or barrack obummer would carry on the republican agenda , more war in afganistan, keeping garrison troops in iraq, continue supplying war materials to thier old buddies in israel, keep the rights the bushes stoled from us in place, this jobs package is just a ploy to get the fact that hes not going to see the bush criminals are prosicuted for thier crimes, and while your fighting over the jobs obummer promisses the bush cheny gang sail off scott free into the sunset,
Oh tyree, must you be so positive? ;)
well pop im trying to reform myself and only look for the silver lineing ,
I don't want to see any kind of lining, even silver, 'till they close the lid on my coffin.
Atta boy, tyree! Now let me see that great big smile.
pop its to early for a smile but when i get my bacon egg and sausage bisquit from mc donalds ill try to muster up a huge grin! untill then heres all i got:}
Yeah MacDonald's food makees me ill too.
...the neocons are embarrassed because this last election proved they are the REGRESSIVES. No new ideas. Nothing. Case closed.
good morning kay!
"The special quality of this universe is that its occupants believe that any point of view other than theirs is an attack upon them. Any thought other than those that jibe with their peculiar take on the world is evidence of a "bias" against theirs.
The interview is sprinkled throughout with examples of Ziegler aggressively complaining that any skepticism of the Palinoid POV is an example of "bias" against her. He's also a master of Calvinball -- moving the goalposts wherever he can find a place to erect the moth-eaten 'librul media bias...'"
I wonder if John Ziegler wears tubesocks?
Now THAT my friend is priceless!!
Yep, unfortunately no one wants to pay me for my jokes.
It's all I have left. Can't even afford to pay attention...whoa, what's that? Is that a shiny rock?
i despise this guy
black and white cartoon character . . . I see nothing has changed 'cept he's shriller.
have thrown the election, for the sole and only purpose of saddling the Dims and whatsoever candidate emerged from the corporate selection process with ALL he blame for being unable to clean out the Bushean Stables...
the cupboard is bare...nothing left to steal
why would they want to keep power if that was their sole reason for having it in the first place
Guys like John Ziegler are so enamored of their worldview
That world view is the cause of most of the world's problems right now. I'm still holding on to hope that Obama will correct most of the "rights" evil ways.
Object not found!
The requested URL was not found on this server. The link on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. Please inform the author of that page about the error.
If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
Error 404
movies.crooksandliars.com
Sat Jan 10 16:27:43 2009
Apache/2.2.10 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.10 OpenSSL/0.9.8e DAV/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omEX9PJaZr8&fe...
I still won't waste my time watching the documentary. I think giving these people time on a news program to promote their documentary or their books is B.S. It's simply free advertising for the crap they produce.
what a buffoon, and what infotainment!!
i predict scads of conservative christian evangelical mega-"churches" offering early-morning, mid-morning, late-morning, noon, early-afternoon, mid-afternoon--you get the picture--showtimes for ziegler's flopumentary at their houses of false-idol worship.
turn off your brain people, ziegler's flopumentary is about to begin
"They are wacked-out, drooling, feculent morons, and I want nothing at all to do with any of them for any reason, at any time, under any circumstances."
Thanks for that woody, I just had to repeat it.
sorry, didn't mean to startle y'all
palin, as has been well established, is about as ignorant as they come, granted. but when i first saw the couric interview the section on 'where do you get your information' seemed revealing to me in a way. it is fairly obvious that, like bush and a lot of wingnuts, she views curiosity, intellectualism, and open-mindedness with contempt. but, i do believe that she reads newspapers from time to time. and she probably could have answered couric's question fairly quickly had she not been bogged down with GOP strategists dos and don'ts of what is acceptable to admit to reading (USA today) and what is not acceptable (NYTimes). and, when asked, she froze, not able to remember all the nuances of what is acceptable to say and what isn't...
meh, or maybe i give her too much credit and she really is a semi-illiterate dolt who hasn't read anything except for the back of the boc of her special k.
That's precisely what I thought the first time I saw her response to the newspaper question. Of course she's read newspapers. I HATE friggin' newspapers, but I still find myself reading one at a coffee shop or on a break or during mass transit travel. They are tough to avoid and strategically placed in areas where you are likely to kill time.
But just like you said, she panicked when she couldn't recall what her handlers told her which paper was good and which one was a filthy commie rag.
The second thing I thought was she's not very agile. She could have recognized she was about to stumble and instead said something like, "Well Katie, I don't rely on newspapers to form my opinion, but instead surround myself with advisers, and failing that I turn to prayer". Now that would have done well with the base. But hey, she's a maverick don'tchya know, also ;)
I completely agree with the last two posts. Panic-stricken, because the only thing she reads is any John Birch material and the Bible. As for the New York Times, is that the same "liberal" New York Times who had Judy Miller writing for it? Just asking...
I seriously doubt she's read the Bible. At most, and like the rest of her ilk, she just has someone tell her the highlights.
Ms Center of the Universe 2008
I like helicopter moose hunting, shot-gun marriages with minors and warm snuggly nights in front of the fire with oxycontin and I also believe the crux of the biscuit is in the apostrophe.
What a pawn. Laugh it off, dumb shit. Truth is, he has his head so far up his ass that he sees images of the lipstick pig on his intestine walls.
What an idiot. I don't care much for it when the guest and host just talk over each other, but when the guest is such a turd brain, I guess it really doesn't matter. He has nothing worthwhile to hear anyway.
Zeigler was using his "little head" for seeing things. Seldom works for that.
Giving asshats like Zeigler the time of day only contributes to the downfall of this country.
As Fred Blase said, "I'm looking for the guy who's supplying the dimes."
Fred Blase the wrestler?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTysqw6_P8
Born in 1967, makes one wonder why he didn't join the military after 9-11! By the time the war had started he was only 36 years old, where was he and why didn't he serve? He's could join up tomorrow and bein in Iraq /Afgahn by the 4th of July! Freeing up some other soldier,sailor, or Air Force person who's all ready going on his/her 4th tour!
He wouldn't make it in the Marine Corps!
Lot's of hot air,however his spine is made of warm 1 day-old jello!
bawk-ba-gawk-hawk!!
Ziegler's picture should be in the slang dictionary next to the word "douchebag". The guy needs to grow up.
I had the (dis)pleasure of living in San Diego for 8 years where they pump out conservative radio 24x7 over and over and over.
I remember having to suffer through this jack a## Zeigler going on an on about liberal conspiracy theories while waiting to get my car serviced. Probably only Sean Hannity and a dim-wit named Mark Levine are worse, albeit not by much.
Bottom line is there is a big U.S. market for school-yard, hate mongering, "tough-guy" radio in the U.S. All you have to do is talk about how socialists, gays, liberals, bureaucrats, hippies, environmentalists, and peace lovers are f-ing up the world for all the hard-working, christian, beer-drinking, gun-toating crowd, and you got a show. Endlessly attacking Al Gore and either Clinton and you're syndicated.
He's also a bigot and a xenophobe. If it didn't make him look so bat sh*t crazy, I would be seriously ticked at MSNBC for giving Ziegler so much airtime.
-AF
and i hope that the right buys into his meme that the media is in the bag for dems
they then will continue to lose election after election
i couldnt watch the entire 9 minute clip...the woman just drones on and on
is a buffoon. How can a person actually be like this???? He's an idiot asswipe who doesn't deserve 2 seconds on TV. The things he says are so outrageous that you've got to ask yourself if he actually believes what he is saying, or whether he's saying this just to attract attention. It's probably a bit of both.
And Palin...Jeeez Louise....."it was told me...." Who in the world talks like this? She mangles the English language so badly. In that Zielger interview, she once agains refers to the "Democrat party" instead of the "Democratic party." I sent the office of the Alaskan governor an email about this and said that this either represents, on her part, an ignorance of the English language, or it represents a disrespect of Democrats......something that Limbaugh does quite often when he uses the word "Democrat" in this fashion....and which many wingnuts mimic.
When will these people just go away????
I don't know what it is but I don't like that man.
functioning ears and brain, perhaps?
I can't put my finger on it but I don't like that man
check out his job history
radio is entertainment...he thinks its real
he has no problem getting into fights with his fellow on air personalities...which is why he cant hold a job
he has basically been blackballed in every market
John Ziegler is a complete doucebag.
that was special.
Yet another pissy,pointy aggressor refusing and unable to submit to the mildest of posers without vibrating with Liberal hating "drive-by media" paranoia and retching hate.Still,they always manage to keep that smirk in place.No mean feat.
has a steady stream of cash at his disposal [literally 'eff-you' money] so he can commission his stilted masturbatory push polls and sloppy blow job documentaries. And as long as NBC/Universal gives the likes of him and that Coulter broad a studio chair to moisten, we R well within OUR rights to verbally urinate upon him.
i know i went kinda heavy on the fluid exchange, there, but i'm pissed.
oh, and hearing Sarah Palin utter the flatulent words "...These anonymous liberal blahggerz..." makes me wanna rip my hair out in patches.
of this woman is clearly palpable. Shuster's insistence that she "take responsibility" for her interview with Couric was just inane. Does this mean that BHO must apologize for his Uhm, Uh, ad infinitum botched comments in response to questions posed to him at the beginning of his campaign?
...and MSNBC was/is not in the tank for BHO? We know all about SP, her kids, neighbors, Bristol having SP's baby, etc. Maybe Shuster could have spent a little more time on Obama investigating these matters:
Original birth certificate —Unavailable
Obama/Dunham marriage license -Unavailable
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -Unavailable
Soetoro adoption records- Unavailable
Dept.of Education Hawaii Kindergarten Records—Unavailable
Punahou School records-Unavailable
Occidental College records —Unavailable
Passport (Pakistan) - Unavailable
Columbia College —Unavailable
Columbia thesis —Unavailable
(Topic: Nuclear Disarmament, written during Cold War ’83)
Harvard College records -Unavailable
Harvard Law Review articles —Unavailable
(Evidence that one may have been written, yet it is unsigned)
Baptism certificate —Unavailable
Medical records -Unavailable
Illinois State Senate records -None
Illinois State Senate schedule —Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None on file
Indonesian Besuki School Application—Located
(Enrolled with name Barry Soetoro-faith “Islam”)
Selective Service Registration- -— Released, but suspected as fraudulent
The dirty little secret is that Palin was/is much more qualified than BHO, and, she exposed the so-called femenists as the deluded morons of the sixties, only interested in abortion. That's why you all fear her, IMO
but it ain't fear...
to be this stupid.
You must be God's new prototype for moron, for the likes of which... it is clear, the world is not ready yet.
represents knowledge. Yuk Yuk Yuk!
and i was being attacked on the other thread?
you are crazy
certifiable bat shit crazy
but guess what...even if obama had not a smidgen of qualifications...HE WAS ELECTED
there are more people on his block in chicago than the entire city of wasilla
more people voted for him for senator than reside in the entire state of alaska
Okay, seriously. What the fuck are you on about?
"Does this mean that BHO must apologize for his Uhm, Uh, ad infinitum botched comments in response to questions posed to him at the beginning of his campaign?"
Yes. If he cocked it up and made himself look really stupid he would. Why do l think that? Because unlike the harridan that you both support and believe that the sun shines out from her arse he is capable of self-reflection.
Why don't you just except the fact that Palin is the personification of that rather famous P.T. Barnham quote "You can fool some of the people some of the time..... (l hope you know the rest, cos l can't be bothered to type it. If you don't, find a liberal and get them to quote it to you)"
The thing that has upset you and other wingnuts is that your attempts to promote Palin as "just one of us/ordinary american/rugged heartland mom" was blown out of the water mainly by the lady herself. Every time she opened her mouth and made an inaccurate statement over something which should have been simple for a politician to answer, such as what newspapers she read or which Supreme Court decisions she disagreed with it left rational, intelligent informed people open-mouthed that not only someone could be that uninformed, that incurious and a 72 year old heartbeat away from control of the largest military arsenal the world has ever seen, but actually had millions of people not just believing her but going out of their way to defend or justify her ignorance not o mention her lies, like the "Bridge to Nowhere" or hyperbole "palling around with terrorists" (not just in the US. Palin has fans over here in the UK as well!! I took great pleasure taking apart a rightwing talk radio idiot and his neo-con guest who were having Rich Lowry "little starburst" moments the day after her convention speech. He made the mistake of saying that there were no negatives about her and challenged anyone to come on air with anything.I was on for about five minutes before they realised l knew more about Palin than they did and cut me off!!).
"You can fool some of the people some of the time....."
I think that's generally credited to Lincoln, whereas PT Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute."
Or was that WC Fields?
I bow to your knowledge on that one. I was always given Barnham as a reference to that quote.
As we are talking about cartoon characters like Palin and Ziegler l am reminded of a Simpsons episode where Bart is running for class president. As Lisa watches his campaign in action with the supply teacher she has a crush on (voiced by Dustin Hoffman) he says something very profound about electioneering:
"You will never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator"
Every time a wastched a Palin speech that comment came to mind.
I've seen this numerous times as of late. No, not your idiotic copy/paste "Where's his birth certificate" crap, but this idea we are somehow afraid of Palin. Why on earth would we be afraid of the person who was obviously the biggest drag on the Repub ticket? Please, run her again and again! No one is afraid of that prospect, except the intellectual wing of the Republican Party.
People like Ziegler, people like Palin, these are fascists, pure and simple. Fascists like these hold worldviews that are totally black and white, with no ability to form nuanced or critical thinking. They are brainwashed, frightened, and very very scary. When people like these end up in government, a lot of people tend to die as a result.
Other famous examples come to mind, especially those with only 9 days left in power.
What Ziegler and Palin fail to realize is the fact that the American people have had enough of this kind of thinking, and REASONABLE, INTELLIGENT people swarmed to the polls in record numbers to drive their like from Washington.
However, watching them whine and moan about "liberal media bias" is truly a fun game, which is probably why MSNBC is handing Ziegler the rope so he can hang himself.
appease morons like Ziegler.
These people are too far gone down the deep end, I have no clue who thought that compromising with these idiots was gonna have any sort of positive effect in their ability to change ever so slightly their positions.
Can someone please tell me how Palin was treated unfairly?
There were some internet rumors that her fourth child was actually her daughter's; but I never saw that getting the slightest echo in the MSM.
Didn't fox do a three day series on the Obama birth certificate "issue"?
When was she misquoted? Where was the MSM coverage of her efforts to ban books in Wasilla? or of her wacko church? The MSM covered speeches by Obama's former pastor that Obama may have never even seen - the MSM wouldn't even cover that wacko anointing crap at Palin's church.
What was it, one person on the view says something about Palin balancing children and her job, and that constitutes worse attacks than those lobbed at Hillary Clinton?
What am I missing?
Fox ran away from the Birth Certificate Story faster than any of the other networks. From time to time it was brought up but immediately dismissed and not discussed.
The obsession continues...in the meantime, just so you have some facts:
Lie- Palin Slashed spending for teen moms from $5 million dollars to $3.9 million in the Alaska state budget.
Lie- The whole troopergate investigation.
Sorry about the C&P - hurts my fingers to type this over and over and over...loop...
Truth- Palin actually increased by three-fold the budget for the Covenant House teen pregnancy programs. What she “cut” was the Covenant House’s request for $5 million! Palin’s $3.9 million was still a massive increase from the previous budget.
Lie- Palin belonged to the Alaska Independence Party, a group that wants Alaska to secede from the United States.
Truth- The Governor’s political registration shows that she has been a Republican since 1982 and she has never been a member of the AIP, though he husband has in the past.
Lie- Palin wants Creationism taught in school alongside of the Theory of Evolution.
Truth- Palin has spoken in favor of open discussion in the classroom of the two competing ideas, but has never spoken for, advocated for, or tried to make a policy that would make Alaska’s schools add creationism to their curriculum. Palin quote: “I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
Lie- Palin was so mired in controversy as a mayor that she was almost recalled while mayor of Wasilla.
Truth- Only a small number of Wasilla residents supported the recall effort and the idea died stillborn.
Lie- Palin cheated on her husband with her husband’s former business partner. This man had his divorce papers sealed to hide Palin’s affair.
Truth- Turns out it is untrue and the reason the man wanted his divorce papers sealed is to prevent the media from intruding into his life and the life of his young son.
Lie- Palin faked her recent pregnancy to cover for an out-of-wedlock birth of her teenaged daughter.
Truth- Many eyewitnesses and photos easily debunk this story. And even if you didn’t believe that, the fact that Palin’s daughter is pregnant NOW makes it physically impossible that she could have had a baby earlier in the year.
Lie- Palin was a supporter of Pat Buchanan when he ran for president in 1999.
Truth- Palin actually supported Steve Forbes in 1999 and was the co-chair on his Alaska campaign.
Lie- Palin is hiding her real religion from the public. She claims to be “just” a Christian, but is really a Pentecostal.
Truth- Palin left the Pentecostal Church she belonged to in Alaska 6 years ago.
Lie- Palin wanted a long, long list of books to be banned in the Wassilla library.
Truth- Palin did ask the library about what the process might be to ban a book, but the long list of books being circulated to “prove” she wanted books banned is really a list of all the books that have been banned at one time or another over the last 100 years. In fact, as far as the Harry Potter Books on that list goes, some of them came out after Palin left the office of Mayor of Wasilla.
Lie- Palin is lying when she says she sold the state’s jet plane on ebay.
Truth- Palin never said she sold the jet on ebay. She says she put it up to sell on ebay. And she did. But it didn’t sell there. The state sold it in a private sale to Larry Reynolds.
Scruzman:
Love the attempt at deflection, but if you mean that the media looked at the birth certificate story and found no "there" there, it wasn't a case of running away from it. Just like the fake Madrassa story (how did that work out for ya?) they realised it was bullshit. Unless you're Erik Erikson or own a large collection of name badges and tinfoil hats you also realised there was nothing to answer. There were stories on both sides that were (to be as diplomatic as possible) innaccurate at best but l notice that while you point out that Palin put the plane on ebay (and made a VERY big song and dance about it in her convention speech insinuating that not only was it placed there but sold there as well) you failed to mention the 22 times she repeated the "Bridge to Nowhere" lie (let me say it again, "Bridge to Nowhere" lie) before she dropped it from speeches as people had finally cottoned onto it.
I would reply to the rest of your post but the fact that you didn't write any of it yourself, do any of the research, or had the integrity or decency to link to this article you cut and pasted you comments from:
http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/artic...
makes you almost a big a fake as the person you have tried so hard to defend.
he cut and pasted and tried to pawn off as knowledge! Hum!
This sounds like a left wing version of Fox News.. blah blah blah
(PS I'm on the left)
It's boring retyping the stuff you should already know.
Doesn't take away from the facts though.
Palin's support for Ted Stevens in '06, the fact she lied about the "Bridge to Nowhere" or the fact that she was found guilty of ethics violations in regards to Troopergate:
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: "I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."
As the Alaskan Daily news put it:
'Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.
In plain English, she did something "unlawful." She broke the state ethics law.
Perhaps Gov. Palin has been too busy to actually read the Troopergate report. Perhaps she is relying on briefings from McCain campaign spinmeisters.
That's the charitable interpretation.
Because if she had actually read it, she couldn't claim "vindication" with a straight face.'
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236....
Sums her up perfectly.
of a blithering idiot!
I sure like that new movie John Ziegler made. Sarah Palin and Joe, the tanning bed repairman are hot, Hot, HOT!!!
Oh, waitaminute - that's Hustler's new Nailin' Palin movie, not Ziegler's.
So who has sex with Palin in Ziegler's movie? I'm so confused...
This guy Ziegler is clearly full of himself. He clearly was more interested in attacking Obama and MSNBC while, at the same time, giving half-assed defenses of Palin - who didn't even admit to doing anything wrong, a classic trait among social conservatives.
Simply put, Shuster PWNED Ziegler.
It gets worse. Some people continue to drink the right-wing Kool-Aid. There was a right-wing nutcase who, in responding to a YouTube posting of this video, tried to defend all things conservative by attacking me, saying that I knew nothing about the media and so forth. I tried to inform him that he was clearly drinking the Bush-Palin-Billo-laced punch, but - as right-wingers do - he continued to attack me, saying "get educated" and even suggesting that I read BERNIE GOLDBERG. What a moron.
Still, Shuster PWNED Ziegler.
Login or Register to post comments.