Gov. Rick Perry and the Secessionists
We blew the lid off of Texas Gov. Rick Perry's outrageous and treasonous statements regarding the secession of Texas from the union.
All the insane talk coming from the Limbaugh National Convention is spreading into the fabric of the entire GOP. Listen to Texas Gov. Rick Perry say:
Perry: Texas is a unique place. When we came into the Union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that.
We got a great Union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it, but if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may come out of that.
Media Matters recently released some very disturbing information about Perry:
Media Matters Action Network released a memo outlining Texas Governor Rick Perry's ties to a Texas secessionist group whose former leaders are responsible for numerous acts of domestic terrorism. "From bomb threats, to kidnapping, to planning attacks using biological weapons, the Texas Nationalist Movement has a long violent history that cannot be ignored," Media Matters Action Network Managing Director Ari Rabin-Havt said. "Governor Perry should be ashamed of his association with these domestic terrorists."..read on
Very disturbing indeed.
John Sharp is running in Texas against Perry and although I don't know much about him, he's not taking Perry's secessionist comments lightly.
During WWII my father was shot in defense of the greatest country on earth and I proudly wore the uniform of a United States Army Reserve officer. So I'm offended when it become acceptable for anybody to talk about Texas leaving the Union.
Good. Take the Bible Belt states with you too.
these welfare marys are bleeding us all.
Some stuff you can't make up!
"A man sometimes starts up a patriot, only by disseminating discontent, and propagating reports of secret influence, of dangerous counsels, of violated rights, and encroaching usurpation. This practice is no certain note of patriotism. To instigate the populace with rage beyond the provocation, is to suspend publick happiness, if not to destroy it. He is no lover of his country, that unnecessarily disturbs its peace. Few errours and few faults of government, can justify an appeal to the rabble; who ought not to judge of what they cannot understand, and whose opinions are not propagated by reason, but caught by contagion." - Samuel Johnson
I'm saving this one.
I'm going to cut it and mail it to myself.
Excellent quote.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
That quote should be tattooed on Glenn Beck's face.
from what pov? space?
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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I don't give a toss.
like mold-covered schitt. It's kind of a dry look.
Some stuff you can't make up!
I'm Sure Washington DC is more than little anxious to fill your seat at the Union's table.
And then we wouldn't have to listen to those people that whine that DC and/or Puerto Rico shouldn't be allowed to become states because it would mess up our pretty flag to add more stars.
Texas gets to fend of the Meskins all by themselves, since they'll be an independent sovereign nation. Of course, as a foreign country, I'm sure Governor Goodhair (Oh, Molly Ivins, I miss you - gone far too soon!) will be begging to Washington for financial aid. Won't happen, but it'd be fun to watch! Pity we couldn't convince Mexico to take them back ten years ago when Texas already had an up-and-coming king.
"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man
If there is a fundimental change in the economy and currency the financial aide may not be needed. Just think, No drug wars, no "wars on fictious terrorist" to pay for, things like that can make life a lot cheaper.
Geazer, you know nothing of the everyday realationship Texas and Mexico have. if you did you would not write the way you do. Shut up.
I have a house in Mexico.
So, tell me all about our relationship with Mexico.
I've been going down there for , well, since I was 13.
I'm 52 now. So please, tell me something I haven't figured out yet.
Oh, btw, telling people to shut up is the last resort when you are losing an argument.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Well for one secession is not treason, it was common in the 1800's till Lincoln decided to remove states of their rights, Lincoln himself said the Civil war was about "saving the union" not Slavery, I could get quotes of him saying that too but really I do not have time now. Just wanted to get a post in early.
Secondly There are a lot of idiots at the teaparties but the most of them are Genuine people who are NOT concerned about Obama's race, they hate Repubs too. Most of them are angry because of the bailouts and the bankers robbing people. The FED just gave out 12.8 trillion of your dollars in the past 6 to 9 months off balance sheet. Have fun paying that back. You see the media is trying to brand everyone there by picking out the stupidest people they can find at the rally's. CNN was caught too.
the point is...the media didn't have to look very hard for the "stupidest people". They were typically up on the podium ranting at windmills.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Really? Do tell. Please give examples.
I lived in San Antonio for 14 years before being banished up here to the frozen Midwest. John Sharp is a good guy who will bring some sanity back to the governor's office. I'm glad to see he's running.
Secession by whatever means sounds great to me! Vermont & Maine are poised for it, Co doesn't seem to have a snowball's chance (where I live now Gov Pantywaist sellout Ritter-D who I voted for just loves Fed money too much) the northeast looks like the place to be. I hope this is just the beginning of states taking back power regardless of how TX asswipes do it, nothing new there!
All that need be said.
No facts.
No reason.
No repect for the rule of law.
No sense of a unified United States of America
Just petty oneupmanship and trivial criticsm
No alternative.
Nothing.
GOP: THE PARTY OF NOTHING.
woodguy
Thats not really true, the media is saying this to you and you believe it. Remember they are masters of propaganda.
Indicates to me that my comment above is spot on.
woodguy
do they not have ANY answers, they are sore losers too.
That constant whining we hear is the sweet sound of victory.
Their latest Teabag protesting just highlighted the stupidity of every whacko it brought out. The bottom 1% of the intellgent protesting for tax cuts for the top 1% of the wealthy... keep it up Repugs... you will go extinct.
1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. (we will control the space industry.)
2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.
3. Defense Industry. (we have over 65% of it) The term "Don't mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.
4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years.
5. Natural Gas - We have all we need, too bad those northern states don't.
6. Computer Industry - we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola,Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, Etc, Etc. The list goes on and on.
7. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers.
8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: UT Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University, Ivy grows better in the south anyway
9. We have a ready supply of workers. (just open the border when we need some more)
10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.
11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple Texas Rangers.
12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good.
13. We have our own independent power grid.
14. We have our own industrial port
15. We are the biggest cotton producer in the US.
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
Your food for thought is thin gruel, indeed.
woodguy
What are you on?
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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I don't give a toss.
It's what he's NOT on. Like some antipsychotic med.
Maybe he means Nicaragua, which we were told in the 80's was only an hour and a half flight time from Texas.
But do you have the market on kevlar toilet seats?
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
Kevlar butt wipe?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Let them use duct tape for that.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
Needs to be notified.
woodguy
Why doesn't your state pay it's fair share of taxes.
Just wonderin?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
We could use less of the "defense industry" too. Save a lot of money without kickbacks from the government.
To answer my question about paying taxes.
hmmmmm? Why is that?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Chirp!
What is your conceptual, continuity?
"control[ling] the space industry" with whatever funding you can find (read: "no state income tax"). Same with that defense industry - you might not have noticed, but it's U.S. taxpayer-funded - and since you won't be U.S. citizens any more, good luck coming up with funds. And good luck filling those soon-to-be-vacant high-tech jobs with the folks you get when you "just open the border." And on and on. Have fun.
"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man
While secession is wrong and the product of low IQs and the maturbatory fantasies of closet cases Ricky Perry and Chuck Norris. We are not all of a type here and do contribute a LOT to the US. For those of you screeching "good riddance" and secede already, you sound just like the goopers when they talk about California. Out of the lower 48, CA and TX stand the best chances of surviving as separate countries. But the US is too connected nowadays for anything like that to succeed. Please stop continuing to paint with such a broad brush, that's the right wing's job.
As I said on another post, I'm sure there are many fine people in Texas, but you do yourselves no favors when you elect the likes of Perry, Armey, Delay, Shrub and Cornyn.
Some of the Texans that have visited this very site within the last several hours don't represent you in a positive fashion either.
Just sayin'. Nobody here is perfect, we all make mistakes.
woodguy
Ann Richards, Mark White, Lyndon Johnson, and an enormous amount of rather nice liberal famous people.
I'm not saying Texas is heaven, it's a stinkhole compared to what it used to be, I prefer California. But I'm sick of this bashing, because it's exactly what the goopers do.
As for the "you" does that mean Texas in general or just me in particular?
You know we can tell the difference between the two.
That's what will keep Tejas in the union
What is your conceptual, continuity?
If they did do this...I'd pack up and go back to California. I feel no hard loyalty to Texas anymore. I only moved back here out of necessity as it was home. But homes changed a lot.
As I said I have no quarrel with the individuals from Texas that I've met (just a few due to my location), it's the image that some from your state project. Unfortunately, they are the ones in the spot light. As everywhere, the ones with the loudest mouths get the microphone.
You seem like a perfectly cogent and articulate person to me, so I hope you did not take offense. None was intended.
Stay safe.
woodguy
That's why I asked. I wasn't sure I understood you, thanks for clearing that up. I think what Robby was saying, and I could be wrong, was that Texas has a good chance of surviving if it did was Rick the Fairy was saying. Not actually condoning it. Just pointing out that the US would lose. Texas would have a hard time of it, but it would either survive or get its ass kicked. Probably the latter.
No disrespect , But that's like saying Oregon could fight the union.
Never gonna happen
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I don't think it would happen. It's more crybaby bluffing from the right-whiners. Just looking as the scenario. The US is not what is was before the Civil War, sorry the "War of Northern Aggression" ;).
I mean, nationals roads, instant communications, satellites, internet, television, etc. The country is too tied together now. It's heading that way globally too. Not as much in a world government way, but it's increasing difficult to isolate yourself from a world so tied together. North Korea tries, but they just come off as some kind of whiny bratty kid.
I don't think it will happen either - at least not the same way. This is not the 19th Century, and Obama is not Buchanan.
I do think I could come up with a few hypotheticals where the Federal Gov is weakened to the point of ineffectiveness and polarization creates an opportunity for revolt.
Now that I think of it...I don't think there are many, if any, missile silos here. That could be a little bit of a disadvantage.
Yes that was pretty much my point. we are pretty self sufficient. My opinion about Texas leaving the union is that I don't believe it would ever happen. The U.S. government would not let that happen for that to happen would mean revolution. In fact the implications are too complicated for me to process. The fact that state governments not just Texas BTW are invoking the 10th amendment and the talk of Secession by the governor of any state in anything but a joking manner is an indicator that something is wrong. Though it may be "outrageous" I do not believe it is treasonous Rick Perry's comments. To the comments that it is un-American I just have to ask how.
So much of what you've cited for Texas as proof of their independence are industries dependent on US tax dollars. In the unlikely event that any state were to secede, I think it would be a safe assumption that all taxpayer supported entities would be removed.
I bet half of the truly intelligent people who provide innovation for the technology industry in Texas aren't there because they like hanging out with the likes of you. I'm sure they would flee like crazy if you guys split off to form your own redneck dystopia.
Very true Robby
You guys even had my girlfriend in the early 90's.
Thought Nasa was in Florida?
is in Houston.
Why NASA is scattered around the country is a question to me.
The same reason that all of our defense industry is scattered. It makes every state beholden to them. NASA was an outgrowth of the military. All of the early rockets (Redstone, Atlas, Vanguard) were taken from military missile programs.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
Have been located here strictly to kiss up to Lyndon B Johnson, and keep the moon program going.
You are correct on that point. Florida was chosen as the launch site so that if the rockets failed, they would fall into the Atlantic (see Challenger). Johnson got mission control placed in Texas.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
I tried to see if there was some kind of scientific reason for it, but nope, entirely political. My Dad worked for mission control through the moon program and up into the shuttle programs.
Well obviously Mission control would need moved to a union state for sure.:/
Mission Control could be located to some kids basement with a PC or a Mac.
I hope it isn't a PC like mine.
IMO that was our peak. You should be proud of your dad. I followed the space race avidly. Those were proud days for us. Unfortunately they happened during Vietnam, the civil rights movement and our near revolution. So it was very schizophrenic time to be a US citizen. Did you know that Michael Collins navigated the first moon landing mission using a slide rule?
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
Was he the vampire or the werewolf?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Dad's a fundie gooper. A lot of engineers are, oddly.
in the military. northerners are barely welcome. boosh relocated many government operations, including the IRS to the cond=federate states. that's one reason they have such a surplus of fed dollars compared to northern states. remember LIEberman gotdoing a repug dance in order to keep the naval base and sub manufacturing in Conn.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Interestingly the moon shot in Jules Verne From the Earth to the Moon was also from Florida.
Well, I'm off, time for some more Son of Tarzan (1920) or Darren McGavin's Mike Hammer, and a dinner of couscous with curried chicken on a bed of lettuce.
I also have to clean some
The cleaning people are coming tommorrow.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Dude you are a hoot!
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
Is an owl as well?
It's just my glasses creating that effect.
They're trifocals.
Come to think of it, if an owl eats a bird like a chicken, doesn't that make the owl a cannibal?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Only if eating another mammal makes you one.
Douch'e...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
They say it tastes like chicken...
woodguy
You have to clean before they clean , huh.
I hope they aren't illegals.
The Union in its present form will not last forever. Nothing ever does. Societies evolve, civilizations adapt, and events external and internal force change. Change is not only inevitable, it is necessary.
The question becomes, will the Union survive for the next 400 years and adapt as needed, or will it disintegrate over the next 20? Both are very real possibilities.
I’ve long found it fascinating the legal argument the South had during the Civil War. I always thought the primary reason for the fight in the first place was their ability to secede, and I’m not sure they were wrong. That isn’t to say they were right either, just that they had a good argument. (To be clear, they were, of course, wrong on the secondary but most notable issue of slavery.)
We fought, and the Union survived. It is now a very strong Union, but weakening. The fabric of our country is being stressed. Not yet to the breaking point, but more so than at any time since the Civil War.
What Robby is proposing may seem absurd today, but the sentiment is not new. It may not be so absurd in the coming years – in our lifetime. In the end, what happens will be up to us. No foreign invaders will destroy what we have built.
Historically, we are a great experiment. We deserve to continue as a nation – if we can come together and not tear the fabric apart.
Then we'll go through another civil war. Which won't be pretty.
I doubt people will be so forgiving after this one.
I know I won't.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
We will take back the military equipment and NASA then boycott your stupid ass. There are 49 other states that can easily take the place of Texas. North Dakota is the new Texas for oil fields and California could do all the refining. Everything else could easily be manufactured in other states. I won't mess with Texas but I will fuck with you!
Why doesn't TX just turn itself back to Mexico from where it was stolen? Probably would improve the economy of Mexico and make NAFTA's lofty goals a reality! And take New Mexico, Arizona and California with you.
Cutting off oil supplies. No them's fighting words. (See Middle East.)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Hahaha, yeah good one.
NASA would just relocate to Vandendburg Air Force Base, where we've been launching missiles now for the longest time. And there's still the Cape Canaveral facilities which would still be in Union hands.
Ole up Chuck Norris said he's ready to activate "Cells" all over America if necessary. He needs to have his ass hauled off to Gitmo and water boarded to find out what he knows! Un-American piece of shit.
he needs a round house kick in the face, the dumbarse B actor he is.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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I don't give a toss.
Chuck Norris, not happy with the infamy supplied by starring in infomercials.
palin/perry
we both spoke at and enjoy the support of groups that want to secede from our great republic, that's why we want to lead it
texalaskas, we're better than the other 48
We've seen how the "leadership" from your state nearly destroyed America. I guess you won't be happy until you finish the job.
First Glen Beck now Rick Perry, these republicans are steeling Alex Jones' nwo content. Empty words needless to say, they are looking for their new Republican thing...
Here is a heads up Progressives, read up on Alex Jones if you want to know what the RepubliCONs are going to do next.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsuBaeGU3c
More people should be listening to Alex but you see the media has branded him so that will not listen.
We all talked about succession during the Bush years and now it's "outrageous and treasonous" when the governor of Texas merely answers a question -- and says there's no reason to succeed? Besides, who here would really be disappointed to see Texas leave the country?
Might want to point out the 75% of the population of the state are against this. Granted I find that a little surprisingly low, but we do have our share of dumbasses. Just like every other state.
Would it be fun tho, all the internal industries that would need set up to operate without the other states. Think about all the jobs that would be created, think about being able to pass new laws and legislation with out the approval of the fed, think about the illegal income tax that you wouldn't have to pay anymore. I would love it, I'd go join in and try to get a new internal Auto industry started...
Is there would be major taxation across the state to pay for the roads we would inherit, the buy out of federal property, and trade with other nations. It would not be pretty.
I suppose, them Federal taxes sure do take 1 big massive hunk from my pay checks each week, I remember my first job, my first pay check...Looking at it, I was like what the fuck is this shit?
I am sure everything could be worked out with out violence.
Our country was founded by breaking from the queens taxes or did them teachers lie to me again. So for anyone to say that secession is un-American or treason, is not being honest at all.
It's more of that homer-sexual agenda I tells ya!
Actually it is un-American and treason according to Texas v White. It may also be a little hypocritical, but there ya go.
I say the FED is evil. Verizon doesn't even hold you to a life long contract like that, 200 bucks and your out of the Verizon union.
everytime Quebec threatens to separate, there is a little line in the sand that makes them STFU. Separate? OK, but don't forget to pay your part of the debtload, and it goes with you. Changes their minds quick considering the ones that want to separate, are usually the ones that take more cash out of a nation than put in.
that want to secede, are the same type of people that consider "Gond with the Wind" to be historically accurate. The South then, and the South now, does not seem to get it about what it takes to be a stand alone nation.
They remember the good ol' days that never existed.
they are "gone with the wind".
O, I wish I was in the land of cotton
Old times there are not forgotten
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.
Sort of says it all right there. They don't want to forget an imagined past.
They( most anyway) actually believe this crap.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
this is coming from Texas and not one of the Old South states. They're a lot more hard core there. But we did let a lot of stupid people in overthe last 30 or so years.
Imagine how I feel. I live in California.
I swear,I thought we were rock solid.
But they infiltrated this state too.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
are actually very similar in many ways. It's a delicate balance. Depends whether you embrace the Dark Side or not. Honestly a lot of it has to do with the mega churches and the acceptance of allowing religion into politics. The US Supreme Court just ruled that it was okay for a jury to consult the bible while considering a death sentence for some murderer here.
Mon, 04/20/2009 - 16:52 — Liberalicious
they are "gone with the wind".
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It's all the chili beans we eat.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
not that nancy Hormel stuff.
I hate Hormel,
I prefer Wolf.
But my dad was a purist. Chili had to come in a brick, where you had to cut off an inch of fat on top, and even then it was greasier than post-Valdez Alaska.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
it still winds up as a brick in the end.
;)
Last night I woulda swore you said brink so I couldn't figure out the reference
And I don't even drink anymore.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...has any plans to run for POTUS, ever, he can forget it. Regardless of this rant, the SOB sounds just like geedubya and looks like him in that baseball cap (or at least looks like Josh Brolin looked in 'W') and no effin way this country will do that again...ever.
When will Democrats get on the talk shows and ask the obvious question "Since when is the largest tax cut in U.S. history, a tax cut that benefits 95% of working Americans 'thumbing the nose' at the American people?!"
It's like what happened to Bill Clinton. They don't care about anything good Obama will do. They just want to destroy him. That's why he shouldn't care less what they think.
We Have a winner folks.
Don Pardoe , Tell them what they've won.:)
just playin wit cha
Wine. :)
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Either run it or ruin it.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
get on talk shows. They are asked on, if at all. Haven't you noticed the dearth of wingnut talking heads on the talk shows? So much for the liberal media!
I think I have the perfect name for the nameless Texas in The Simpsons yelling, "Yee Haww..." while firing his six-shooters
Bull Flop.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The character's name is "The Rich Texan".
Rick Perry & John Sharp were classmates at Texas A&M. They have a long history together. Sharp was State Comptroller at one time, and unsuccessfully ran for Lt. Governor (Perry's former position) and Senator.
Sharp is a centrist/moderate, who would almost be a right-winger in other areas of the country.
Texas did not reserve the right to secede when it rejoined the Union (The Civil War settled that!), but it did retain the right to be able to divide into 5 states. I doubt that would ever happen, as Texans are too proud about being so big. But imagine it--that would mean 10 senators from the same area instead of 2...
Perry is now the longest-serving Tx Gov, and faces a primary battle with Kay Bailey Hutchison. Realistically, here in TX, whoever wins that primary will become Guv, as the Dems lost their cojones after Ann Richards lost to Dumbyah as Gov, and the GOPigs took over every statewide office.
There are some signs that the Lone Star State may be gradually turning a bit blue, but I won't hold my breath on that one.
When it was blue....really I swear, I was only a little kid, but it was nice.
Once people wake up. Fux
newshas something to do with it.What is your conceptual, continuity?
the governor doesn't matter. It's who the Lt Gov is what matters within the state. Why, I have no idea.
Texas founders so hated the idea of a strong central government, that the governorship was designed to be a titular head of state, with all activity coming from a biannual legislature, and the Lt. Governor sets the agenda for the legislature. They wanted most government to be from local city, town and county legislatures.
Hence the talk all the time in Westerns of homesteaders riding to the county seat.
Since then there has been a transference of power from local governments to Austin, and occassional calls for strong mayors and strong governors (but only when they're republican.)
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...I'm voting for Kinky.
I'll vote for Sharp if he's the nominee against Perry or Hutchison but we can do better.
Not only is there the Federal Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution against state activities that go as far as secession, but also there was a required vote during Reconstruction to reenter the Union.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It came in by treaty and it came in legally, unlike the Hawaiian Islands, which was invaded. So Texans can certainly leave if they wish. Nothing in the U.S. constitution prevents it. The U.S. loses nothing..... literally. Take Oklahoma with you as a going away present.
Does forbid secession, they had a little disagreement about that back in the 1860s I think. Made some movies about it and everything. Check out Netflix.
Texas v White:
"...the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"."
Knows all this stuff. Give it some time. He'll post all the info when he comes back.
He did the other day. He may not want to do it again. It's kinda redundant.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
it forced me to go wikipedia-ing. :)
I had to double-check, but that was a Supreme Court case you cited, and according to Article III, the Supreme Court enforces treaties with foreign countries, which Texas would be if it could successfully secede, so this case is pretty binding.
Additionally there would be border concerns with the surrounding states of Arkansas and Oklahoma if they felt they were losing valuable trade routes, and didn't want to pay foreign taxes and tariffs, and possibly currency exchanges to maintain regular business.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Of course we'd have to Shepardize that case to see if it hasn't been overturned, and for that one needs access to a law library.
The problem is half of what's in the law libraries of Texas are Guns & Ammo, Fish and Tackle, and Soldier of Fortune.
(Just kiddin'.)
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
According to what I've read was the deal-maker was Congress requiring the former Confederate states to vote for the XIII amendment.
According to:
http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/co...
Texas actually voted for the Amendment XIII twice. They held that the amendment was implicitly adopted in the Constitutional Convention of 1866, and then formerly ratified in February 18th, 1870.
So by initially joining the Union in 1845 and then voting essentially twice for the XIII amendment, which together with Article VI emphasized federal supremacy, there really is no case for seceeding.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
nuff said.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
When someone suggests dropping "under God" from the Pledge of Alliegance but are OK with ignoring the next word "indivisable", and really come undone when progressives want "liberty and justice for all" to be enforced.
Why is that?
Oh, I forgot--they're all hypocrites..
woodguy
On the upside, blue has bulletproof cloture vote w/o Texas, goopers lose net 9 congressional seats, blues pick up most of the electoral seats, and we lose some of the biggest pricks in politics. The down side? Losing Austin. Screw the rest.
If someone had told me back in the 70's when I was in high school learning my American History--that in 2009 elected government officials would actually talk about secession and apparently be serious about it, I would have thought it impossible. And if I had read comments from citizens of Texas (Robby) enumerating all the ways they could secede without difficulty I would have wondered what people were smoking. (OK...maybe not. Almost everyone was smoking something, then.)All I know, is that this country gets weirder and weirder every day and it seems as if we are hell-bent on self-destruction. As a history teacher, I gotta ask--why bother teaching it if no one pays any attention? And I am NOT talking about kids in school now. I'm talking about the idiots running things.
I am ok with being singled out but you know the bulk of posters were citing all the ways they would kick our asses if we tried. I just put the reasons why not in order.
As Hank Hill would say of rick perry,
"That boy ain't right, I tell you what..."
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Hank told me he was voting for Ol' Rick while we were catfishin' last night.
Texans prefer being filled with crappe.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I'm a Packer fan. When the HELL is Texas leaving the Union and why don't they do it sooner. Speaking of Sooners, I know they sure as HELL won't mind the University of Texas leaving the Big 12, since they will no longer qualify to be part of the NCAA. As for Me, I am so damned tired of the Cowboys calling THEMSELVES America's Team. I will gladly drive over to Dallas to pick up the Lombardi Trophies since the Cowboys today belong the the National Football League, and of course, they won't qualify any more. So screw Texas, and Texans. Let them leave. Just make it before pre-season kickoff.
Oh, and WE Loyal Americans want all of OUR military weapons back, also. Texas can talk to the 110 million Mexicans about their security, since I've heard a few of them talking about taking Texas back by force this week. Good luck to the Mexicans. I hope they turn over these Texas secessionists to their drug cartels for re-education and training. Just get them out of the United States, as fast as possible, if that's what they want.
Get one thing straight. We need Oklahoma to stay right where they are because their sucking is what keeps Texas from falling into the gulf.
And then there are the sane people, like my family. ;)
I feel bad for all the progressive Texans who post here and have to put up with the GOOPers.
I've never seen change without a fire
I think, deep down, you all love each other (cuz you're Americans). But Bush (and a few other whackoes) were elected there, so...
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
family?
I've never seen change without a fire
The USA is not the country it once was, especially the best country in the world, that train has left the station. You have torturers, you have Bush, you have Cheney, all sociopaths who screwed you (the normal people) up the you know what.
So that Russian guy was right: we can watch for parts to start spinning off soon?
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Edwin I had forgot about that. He said five different regions if i remember correct. You guys can have Oklahoma.
I'm a Canadian, who lives in Korea (so I don't have firsthand knowledge of the US these days, but I did grow up on the border-- Niagara Falls), but I remember "little" things I find interesting, sometimes for years and years.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
No it is not the country it once was. What country in the world do you think deserving of that title then? I mean it is still pretty damn great from where I am standing.
You know, I think KKKarl Rove has a hand in this. I had never heard all this red state/blue state stuff before. Sure Americans had their differences, but you always seemed to work them out. Once Bush took over, they spun this red state/blue state stuff, and pitted you against each other for political reasons. Maybe it's some Naomi Klein Shock Doctrine at work.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
we were never the Best country in the world, just A country in the world. This is a lie we were taught, but guess what....
That Media Matters article gives me hope that Texas might really be able to pull this off. Great! Get the hell outta heah, Texas! Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya.
My god. Don't worry bonsai. If we do "pull it off" We would not come crawling back. We would cut off our right arm first. Looking back is a bad habit.
Well according to this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White
It was ruled they cannot do it. But as far as I'm concerned they can not let the door hit them on the arse on the way out. Just my never humble, "I hate Texas", opinion.
SueDay 60
"My" governor is an idiot: a very dangerous idiot. That makes Two in a row.
Go ahead and secede. Me and my kitty cat'll be on the first train outta here!
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