The Hot Line's Jennifer Skalka is even shocked by this exchange between Republicans, although she thinks it's more about the hatred konservatives have for John McCain which I disagree with. It's about Meghan calling out the nuts. I do agree with her that the GOP is losing the youth of America.
Skalka: I think it's all a little bit ugly and when it devolves into the talk of women's bodies. Women talking about other women's bodies, that's never a good thing.
I guess the term "compassionate conservative" is lost on Laura Ingraham. In a nasty rant against John McCain's daughter over Meghan's feelings about Ann Coulter and the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party, Ingraham attacked Meghan's weight.
MCCAIN (on MSNBC): And I think there's an extreme on both parties and I hate extreme. I don't understand. I have friends that are the most radically conservative and radically liberal people possibly ever and we all get along. We can find a middle ground.
INGRAHAM (mocking): Ok, I was really hoping that I was going to get that role in the Real World, but then I realized that, well, they don't like plus-sized models. They only like the women who look a certain way. And on this 50th anniversary of Barbie, I really have something to say
On ABC's The View, McCain struck back.
“It infuriates me,” she said. “I’m a political writer on a blog, and all of a sudden I’m too fat to write?” The View’s conservative co-host, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, called Ingraham’s remarks “a low blow.”
McCain said she felt like Tyra Banks when the model “went on her show in her bathing suit and said, ‘Kiss my fat ass.’” “That’s what I feel right now,” McCain said. “I’m like, ‘Kiss my fat ass!’”
Ingraham quickly responded to McCain once again on her show, telling McCain that she needs to learn to deal with satire and “teasing.”
I'm loving this I have to tell you. The kooky right wingers which have overtaken the GOP are really turning ugly.
I wonder how many "plus-sized models" call themselves members of the Republican Party? I think Laura lost a few fans.
UPDATE: Jon reminded me of this. Meghan should also ask her father about what it's like---being a sensitive republican. John McCain's crude Chelsea Clinton joke
John McCain made this odious joke about Chelsea Clinton back in '98.
Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
-- Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.
Jon Perr has the history behind it.
GO meghan
But if I were her, I wouldn't let laura ingraham anywhere near my ass, fat or otherwise.
me-oww!
and I hope Meghan takes it to heart... I wouldn't want Laura within a hundred mile radius of me!
I wouldn't hit her with a piece of 2by4. i wouldnt want to ruin a good peice of timber
are simply jealous because John McCain's Baby "GOT BACK!"
Ann Pogostick , michelle mannequin at al, don't even have bodies that command attention. They are trying to attach meghan's vanity. Good on her for telling them off.
msnbc(more shit. nothing but crap) is punking themselves.
Some stuff you can't make up!
mud wrestling?
This site is getting sleazy.
It's the Repugs. When there are so many simultaneous train wrecks going it, it's hard to keep up. This is just continuing to show a pattern of these right wingnuts losing it.
I've run out of popcorn several times already.
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Some stuff you can't make up!
I'm loving every minute...
If not for her name, we'd never have to read a word by the vacuous, vacant, vapid slag.
Chuy, people...
But it still makes Laura Ingraham one of the most juvenile, petty, nasty, self loathing closet cases of all the right wing hate-hags.
After seeing those "behind-the-scenes" moments on Laura Ingraham's TV show, I feel I don't need to know any more about her. Those clips said it all.
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
Well said!
She acted like the popular high school girl who you pissed off.
"Like, Oh my god, that Meghan McCain is so fat".
What's next for Laura? I guessing she'll start a rumor that Meghan slept with half the football team.
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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Meghan pass out at 31 Flavors last night.
Like, Oh my god, you are not serious. Gag me with a spoon, she's a total slut.
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Like no way! Whatever!
:-D
NOBODY 2012
channel my inner (plus-size)teenage goth girl who always sat in class snarking against girls like her!
So, I will say, you could accuse Laura of being a catty bitch, you could accuse her of accuse her of being a pathetic wingnut, you could accuse her of many things, but you could never accuse her of intelligence or ravishing beauty! ;)
I've never seen change without a fire
Another day another laugh from these irrelevant clowns.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
Our soldiers are fighting in two fabricated wars and the topic on Ingraham's program is Megan's valley girl manner and her ass. So neoconish.
Laura should not dis the Valley Girl McCain for her speeck pattern when she (Laura) sounds like she has two corks up her nose. Can you say...nasal?
don smith
OK guys, good (not-so-)little liberal that I am, I got Meghan's back on this one. Her body size and shape has nothing to do with this. Y'all just leave it alone, hear? If you want to criticize her writing, go for it. But calling her names, or disparaging her size? Shove it, sugar.
then we shouldn't talk about Rush's weight,too, right? (Yes, I'm being a concern troll, deal with it.)
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
as they should be. just like his attacks on all things Democratic and/or Liberal are gratuitous. rush limpballs simpley reaps whatever he sows and he deserves that treatment. It is demanded by the intrinsically empirical nature of right and wrong as well as the actual size of rush's ass.
Some stuff you can't make up!
cut and paste the little quote of Flush's about feminism being a way for unattractive women to enter the mainstream of society???
The way I see it, we're just giving him a taste of his own medicine. He routinely makes vapid, sexist comments about women's appearance. Meanwhile, he is nauseatingly unattractive himself. His physique definitely, but his personality especially.
I've never seen change without a fire
you guys make good points.
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
Nothing like a good Republican cat fight!
Let's get some white t-shirts and ice water. Never mind, it's Laura Ingraham. She looks like Garth from Waynes World, the less skin the better.
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I'm starting to think I'd vote for Meghan...
Snap out of it!
Well, she was pissing off the right people...
For what it's worth, I think it's a positive thing for Megan McCain to speak out on things that matter to her. Granted, she's got the valley girl thing going on for her, but she's right about the Rushpublicans. I can disagree with her stance on things, and think that she's got very little talent and experience, but even at that minuscule level, she's got more talent than Coulter and Ingrahm combined.
Ingrahm's always fascinated me. She's one of the most misogynistic voices out there, and has been consistent in her right wing nuttery for as long as I remember - almost like the self hating gay Rushers. The crux of all this is she was pretty much off the radar and needed to slam MM's weight and message to remind herself that she's still relevant somewhere.
Meghan actually takes a position on an issue, will I take her seriously. But she doesn't do that. She seems to merely advocate for the Republican party like a high school kid roots for the varsity basketball team.
If I were a republican, I would be as embarrassed by this feud as with Steele v Limbaugh.
and I agree, however, she's really no different than others her age. She has little life experience to really shape her beliefs, so at this point she really probably just believes what her parents believe.
She seems to me like she's trying to do some thinking and she appears to not be a sheep. I'll give her props for that. I kind of a get a kick out of her and I like the fact that she's not defending the most horrible elements of the party.
Meghan is a college graduate (Columbia, no less). And the debate within the Republican party is not about issues or solutions. It is merely about marketing. The question they should be asking is not whether to reach out to young people or black people, but what effects do their policies have on these groups, or whether they should change policy positions to attract a larger crowd. Instead, they merely ask whether they should talk about inclusiveness. I don't think Meghan gets it. I don't think Steele gets it. And until they stop directing their adulation to people like Karl Rove and Frank Luntz, the Republican party will offer nothing more than lipstick on the pig.
In sum, I'm not suggesting that Meghan is dumber than the average Republican. But she's no beacon of light either. And I would argue that the average Columbia graduate (or any other college) is capable of understanding that policy is an important part of politics. I'm not convinced that she gets that.
for being too much like her daddy
i love when they eat each other
Go here and scroll down to the picture just before the comments start...
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/03/15/huge-tho...
She post a picture of a child holding a sign that reads "Where's my free pony". Wasn't it Malkin who attacked Democrats for using children for political reasons? Posting addresses and phone numbers. It's okay when she does it. We should dig up all we can on this little girl. I BET she already has a pony. The little political whore.
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Tawdry is as tawdry does.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
this is the stuff that dreams are made of!something to crow about !eh?
When you make your living from spewing misinformation and hate at every opportunity, there's bound to be the occasional casualty to a fellow repug due to "friendly fire". I'd much rather see her set her sights on Rush though.
and learning that her father's party OFFERS NOTHING but personal attacks and vitriol. It took her 24 years to figure out the Republican party is disgusting.
Come on over to the "dark side" meghan, we could use a few more good Democrats!
With the state of the GOP and right-wing politics, I would think Laura Ingram is almost entirely irrelevant.
Meghan even said she didn't know who Ingraham was before she attacked her. If you're not part of that 20% chances are you don't either. Laura who, wasn't she on Little House on the Prairie?
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"What is the ugliest part of your body?
I think it's your mind."
----Frank Zappa.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Wanna lose 20 lbs of ugly fat?
Cut off your head.
Never thought I'd get the chance for that one, at this site. I'm not sure if that's good or bad??????
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
I'm glad that Laura Ingraham has survived breast cancer. May all women do just that.
However why is she still the conservatives darling?
She has adopted a child while single. I thought all conservatives felt that all children deserve a mother and a father.
So are conservatives are OK if the women are republican and single?
It can't be the fact that Laura adopted, because I have not heard a moral out cry that Bristol Palin is not marrying the father of her baby. And Laura is as popular and as catty as ever.
It must be something about being a Democrat that makes single women undesirable as moms.
Diane
Megham is a bright young lady and if her father were not john mccain, she would be staunch liberal. she's way too bright to believe the conservative bull.
Give her time. I think her mind is opening up, and as a liberal, that's a good thing to see. Another commenter made the point that she has yet to actually take a stance on an issue. I don't think she's really thought through a lot of things yet.
For example, Megan's comment that she was afraid of Democrats and anti war people because she has brothers in the military. All she has heard is anti-war == anti-military her entire life.
It'd be fun to bet futures (like on sportsbook websites) on whether Megan will become a Democrat or an Independent. I'd give it +1000?
Hm... Aging radio harpy who can't hold onto a man lashing out at pretty young woman. ME-OW!
Michelle Malkin says that the trouble is the she has no fixed ideological principles. Am I the only one who thinks that's a good thing?
All "fixed ideological principles" means to me is "close-mindedness." Someone who is not fixed has the ability to evaluate situations as they come and decide at that time, rather than years ago.
I'm not saying that Meghan McCain is open minded, but that fixed principles aren't necessarily a good thing, except in politics of course.
Limbaugh, Ingraham, Coulter. They attack liberals for their values yet do everything they attack.
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n/t
Laura is texting all her friends about this right now, right after she says more mean things on her MySpace page...
She'll take credit if Meghan McCain slims down.
.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
of the American public . . never mind.
Oh Yeah, we'll kiss my ass man!!
At times it's endearing. But other times, not so much.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Yeah, I guess every woman is supposed to look like a coat rack with titties. Fuck you, Laura. Maybe if you ate something, there would be oxygen going to your brain and you wouldn't spout the garbage you do.
Paul McCartney
Someone please remind the soulless and comedically challenged Ms. Ingraham that satire is defined as "Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity." Calling Meghan McCain "plus-size" does not expose folly, vice or stupidity. Rather, it exposes the folly, vice, and abject stupidity of Ms. Ingraham. Gulliver's Travels is satire. A Modest Proposal is satire. Calling someone fat is lazy, lame and just not funny. The GOP is the party of NO, as in No Sense of Humor. Ever.
How about calling a lame person a gimp?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Requires that you'd had a humorectomy.
Interesting how reichwingers seem to equate bullying with humor.
They don't need audiences, just lackeys.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Look at the difference between "Liberal Humor Shows" and the few "Conservative Humor Shows" that have hit the airwaves. Liberal humor is typically full of irony, sarcasm and wit. Typical conservative humor is bullying, physical appearance putdowns, etc. It's why shows like the "1/2 Hour News Hour" never last long.
I'm sure Laura would be thrilled, if in satirizing her, we characterized her as a shrivelled, old, c***, perpetually angry because she can't snare or hold onto a man. That harpy has no idea what goes into crafting a humorous exchange.
tabloid stuff already jesus h christ.
What does the H stand for
Horatio?
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Jesus H. F'ing Christ. I'm not sure the H stands for anything.
I'm pretty sure.
According to Wikipedia ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_H._Christ
The expression dates to at least the late 19th century, although according to Mark Twain it was already old in 1850, and likely originates with the ancient Christian three-letter symbolism IHS (the Christogram). (Smith 1994, p. 332)
Using the name of Jesus Christ as an oath has been common for many centuries, but the precise origins of the letter H in the expression Jesus H. Christ are obscure. While many explanations have been proposed, some serious and many humorous, the most widely accepted derivation is from the divine monogram of Christian symbolism. The symbol, derived from the first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus (Ιησούς), is transliterated IHS, IHC, JHS or JHC. Since the transliteration IHS gave rise to the backronym Iesus Hominum Salvator (Latin for "Jesus savior of men"), it is plausible that JHC similarly led to Jesus H. Christ. (Smith 1994, pp. 332-3)
Sounds similar to INRI, on the sign supposedly tacked on to the cross behind his head, Iesus Nazionale Rex Iudica (Jesus of Nazoreth King of the Jews.)
Since they were nailing the guy to a cross, you'd a thunk they'd tack the message to his forehead.
Of course part of the problem with your explanation is YHVH is the tetragramaton, and also has H's, and is one of the names of God, which has also been given to us as JHVH, and became the basis for our Jehovah or Yehovah, the FATHER of Jesus (according to tradition).
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Actually the early Christians symbolized themselves with a fish derived from the Venus Pisci (turned on it's side and given fins) and the letters:
Iota Χ
Chi Θ
Theta Υ
Upsilon Σ
Sigma
Iesous Christos Theou Yios * Soter
Jesus Christ God's Son Saviour
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Hussein
yup sure... everything is ship shape. :-/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
If Meghan McCain would lose weight, Laura Ingraham would still be revolting.
Tedious, masturbatory bullshit. I don't give a crap if one irrelevant famous person called another irrelevant famous person fat... can we stick to issues of substance, please?? there are more important things to be chewing over than stupid catfights in the "news."
I think it's important to be reminded of just what the voices of American conservatism are really like.
So you prefer the kitten in the tree story?
Or the water skiing squirrel?
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try to present themselves as the rational ones. What an amazingly immature representation that sound clip is. Laura is a moron.
Meghan McCain appears to be a beautiful human being, in mind, spirit and body. Laura appears to be equally as ugly.
"John McCain made this odious joke about Chelsea Clinton back in '98.
'Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.'
-- Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998."
The sins of the father are not the sins of the son (or in this case daughter).
(Didn't mean to reply, meant to post new) :)
that when it comes to rational debate, conservatards will ALWAYS resort to the personal attack. It's like clockwork. Whenever they are cornered, they go for the personal comments, no matter how veiled they may be. it's the most common "strategery" when all of your talking points have been shot down.
Keep up the good work, Laura. Your stock just bottomed out. You picked on the wrong conservative. You will soon realize how the empathy chips fall, and it won't be pretty, for you.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
i would hate to have to listen to that voice day after day.
especially when the media joins in and shows their blatant corporate "toolishness".
Unbeatable.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Meghan McCain might be riding the coattails of her father, but she's easily the most coherent conservative I've heard speak in a long time. Yikes, can you imagine one of the Bush daughters going on television (without handcuffs)? I find it interesting that she's the daughter of Cindy McCain, who is pretty much the definition of Barbie, if being made of plastic has anything to do with it.
Anyways, good on her, I think she's hot. And I think she speaks her mind intelligently. Although, in my view, she does sound more like a liberal than a conservative.
Meghan McCain. Not only is she my type--a gorgeous, zaftig blonde--she's an intelligent voice of moderation that the Republicans should heed.
On second thought, maybe not. If the Republicans actually start listening to her, they'll get more votes.
It has often been my assertion that in the modern era of the republican party, when things aren't going well they will eat their own....this is a prime example. Good thing Meghan has ample enough ass to go around, because [Deleted. We don't accept comments that compare the person to whom you refer with people who don't deserve to be treated as a punchline. Thank you. Site Monitor] is anorexic and wouldn't be much more than a cocktail weenie, and Laura Ingraham leaves a bitter aftertaste.
I actually think Megan is pretty cute, and I don't mind women with a certain amount of weight :) Politically, though, we'd never get along!
Satire: trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly.
Calling someone with whom you disagree fat is witty or ironic? Sounds more like a ninth grade skinny blonde byotch being mean. Laura Ingrahem is a Heather. And you have to admit that the Republican daughter saying "kiss my fat ass" is kinda mavericky.
laura's more of a truncheon wit.
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This is funny! I hope Meghan blogs the shit out of her fellow "Republicans". Dad should have picked her for VP, he would have had a better chance in Hell than with the culture war hillbilly from Wasilla. Meghan has proven somebody in the McCain family actually has an ounce of introspection. Can't wait for the next repugnicant ritual sacrifice!
People will pay to watch.
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She's not fat! Neither is Tyra. Good god, the ReThugs are eating each other!
NOBODY 2012
Join the culture warrior elite! Eat your own! Throw your voice! Amaze your friends!
She has her mother's looks, but she's more of softer, curviness to her that Cindy doesn't have.
And I may not understand why the heck she'd want to bother with the Rethugs at this point, but I can respect her.
Oh, and I have a vague memory of seeing some Christian men's sites or something like that holding Laura up as an ideal Christian woman, wifely submission and all that... If so, why is she single? *shrug*
Edit - Laura can kiss my fat ass too, but only figuratively!
I've never seen change without a fire
So far I like what I see in Meghan. First she is Hot. She is a strong women who is not afraid to speak her mind obviously. She can spot a wingnut when she sees one. She has not decided where she stands yet on all political issues, so she is not a troll. It will be interesting to see where she ends up.
Ingraham is a young person abuser.
I was hoping we'd be better than this. Meghan McCain was forced into the spotlight as a sacrifice to her parents' ambition. She's done the best she could with it, and because she's NOT a wingnut she's getting it from both sides.
I wish her well.
She is not as vapid as I expected her to be, and she makes a lot of good points.
She claims she was a Democrat originally, and I suspect that she may go back that way when she is fed up with playing up to Daddy.
As for Laura Ingraham...my son is in a MOPAD (mobile public affairs) division in the Army. When he was in Iraq in 2006 he had to deal directly with Ms. Ingraham.
Someone at the Pentagon told her she would have 10,000 in the Green Zone come and listen to her give a speech and that she would be allowed to tour Fallujah. She insisted and then demanded that that was what would take place until on of the Commanders told her that they couldn't get 10,000 soldiers together to go to Fallujah to "keep it safe" so how did she think they would come to see her talk for an hour..only in not as nice words....
Then my son had to escort her to her sleeping quarters, and it was rainy season. He'd been out on road patrol all night and was covered in mud and tired. He'd witnessed the dressing down she'd gotten.
When they got to her pod, she wanted him to either pull closer to the door (against rules...plumbing and electrical is under the gravel, can't drive Hummers over it.) or carry her through the mud to her door, so she wouldn't get muddy (he's 5' 6'' and weighs in at about 135..)
When he told her, respectfully,(he claims) that he couldn't do that, she threw a temper tantrum. So he told her that he was pretty sure that his NCIC would be okay with it if her took her to the gate and dropped her off outside the Green Zone for the evening, or she could walk to her trailer in the mud, like everyone else.
The next morning he was "talked to" by the NCIC...wink/wink..nudge/nudge..and told that he couldn't speak to the "invited guests" like that anymore. And then asked why he had not just taken her to the gate and pushed her out.
General consensus of the soldiers I met that had to deal with her...she's a BEEEOOOOTCH!
That republicans seem to always follow this pattern:
1. Someone says something that they have no *actual* defense against.
2. The republican resorts to the most mean-spirited of retorts.
3. The target of their nastiness calls them out on it.
4. Republican says "Can't you take a joke?"
What they refuse to admit is that they're playing to their "base". The un(der)informed who are just looking for something to hate. It's how they've gotten away with inciting so much violence and violent rhetoric against liberals. They never have to answer for it because they call it a "joke". I wish someone would put a stop to it by taking away their microphones. They've totally perverted the right to free speech and I find it disgusting.
SJ
Or my other favorite:
"You're taking it out of context" and the stupid journalist never follows up with either, "OK then, what was the context that makes that remark acceptable?" or "No, the context was clearly about insulting someone you disagree with."
"You're taking it out of context" is the new "Get out of jail free card," becasue journalists are too freaking stupid to question further, or maybe even to know what "context" is.
The right wing always say the left are the name callers. Well, that is just not the case. Frank Luntz and Newt Gingrich should be awarded the champions of name calling. The same goes for Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mike Gallagher, Neal Boortz, Mike "Savage" Weiner, and Ann Coulter.
Laura Ingraham was diagnosed a few years back with breast cancer. This is more than a health issue, but about life and death. Some people struggle with weight issues and sometimes it turns into serious health problems, as well. I do not think cancer jokes are funny at all, nor do I find fat jokes very cute either. I do not think Ms. Ingraham would find jokes about her breasts very funny at all, and with good reason. I would be appalled if anyone made breast jokes about Laura Ingraham, either. This is not about "political correctness" but about human decency towards your fellow men and women on the planet. The same standard applies in regard to her so-called satire on Ms. McCain.
This planet will not survive with continued hatred, aggression, incivility, or violence. Whether in public or private, people have to be called out on their anti-social behavior and hateful speech, which goes against the mores of spiritual life.
Laura Ingraham: last year's model
Laura Ingraham is the most miserable, resentful c*nt I've ever seen on either side of politics. She wallows in her bitterness and mental deficiencies.
Take your own advice. If you can't take a little feedback Laura, get out of the kitchen.
I am not defending Laura Ingraham here. You have the right to "free speech," as well. I just find using that "c-word" to be repulsive no matter who uses it. There are other words and ways to talk about this issue other than to make such hideous verbal attacks.
For your own sake, try to be more creative than to use such vulgar words.
if you're asking the Count not to use the C-word, then exactly how is it free speech? I suggest that he's free to say it and you're free to never use it and be offended when he does. I myself am far more offended by the likes of a bottom-dweller like Ingraham saying anything negative about anyone, ever.
It just really, really annoys me when someone prefaces asking someone not to use certain words by proclaiming how much they believe in free speech. It's either free or it isn't, isn't it?
I see your point.
Do you justify the N-word for blacks as well? Do you condone the K-word for Jews? How about calling all Irish people drunks? There is free speech, and all, but being coarse and using vulgarity shows a clear lack of intelligence.
Yes, I am an advocate of free speech. But there are limits on free speech as well. Read the U.S. Consitution. There are no absolute freedoms granted by the U.S. Constitution.
I guess you are the type who allows offensive words to those whom you do not like, right? So, if someone called a person you really digged a nasty name you'd have a problem with it? But as long as the vulgar word is directed at someone you do not like, it is fine and okay. Free speech also refers to free thought as well. What value is there referring to Laura Ingraham as with the vulgar c-word? I am no fan of Ms. Ingraham, but I find the use of debased words show a lack of character. Allowing this word to be used in the sense as okay just keeps the hate alive no matter what side you are on. No, I do not find using vulgar words necessary or valuable in the political discourse. Using vulgar words shows intellectual laziness and personal immaturity. Go use/try the c-word out in public tomorrow and see the responses you receive. Try it at work on one of your co-workers when they upset you as well. If you would not use that word in public, why post it here? This in a sense is a public forum.
Another thing here. Hey, but if you looked your buddy up there was unable to bring thyself to spell the entire word out. Your pal had to use a symbol as knowing it would offend others here. The court has ruled in terms of obscene speech as it relates to the first amendment. I would say that using the c-word had no value regarding Ms. Ingraham other than a direct incendiary comment which lowers the political discourse to the level of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity and Savage.
Does the First Amendment mean anyone can say anything at any time? No.
The Supreme Court has rejected an interpretation of speech without limits.
Because the First Amendment has such strong language, we begin with the presumption that speech is protected. Over the years, the courts have decided that a few other public interests — for example, national security, justice or personal safety — override freedom of speech. There are no simple rules for determining when speech should be limited, but there are some general tests that help.
Obscenity
In June 1973 in Miller v. California, the Supreme Court held in a 5-to-4 decision that obscene materials do not enjoy First Amendment protection.
In Miller v. California (1973), the court refined the definition of “obscenity” established in Roth v. United States (1957). It also rejected the “utterly without redeeming social value” test of Memoirs v. Massachusetts.
In the three-part Miller test, three questions must receive affirmative responses for material to be considered “obscene”:
Would the average person, applying the contemporary community standards, viewing the work as a whole, find the work appeals to the prurient interest?
Does the work depict or describe sexual conduct in a patently offensive way?
Does the work taken as a whole lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?
One must distinguish “obscene” material, speech not protected by the First Amendment, from “indecent” material, speech protected for adults but not for children. The Supreme Court also ruled that “higher standards” may be established to protect minors from exposure to indecent material over the airwaves. In FCC v. Pacifica Foundation the court “recognized an interest in protecting minors from exposure to vulgar and offensive spoken language.”
Mon, 03/16/2009 - 22:35 — EastCoastLefty62
How about calling all Irish people drunks?
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Hell, they brag about it
And even put it on their business cards.
It's kind of like black guys bragging about their massive genitalia.
Erin Gu Braghless!!!
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I'm of Irish descent!
I know. The "C" word is a loaded, offensive word. So I never use it except to describe Laura Ingraham. Nothing else comes close to summing up her endlessly bitter, resentful, retched, nasty tone. And no shrill harpie of the right (Coulter, Parshall, Schlesinger, Palin, Schlafly...) is as bad as Laura Ingraham. Any honest resume she writes, should say "My only skill is the ability to release a tidal wave of uninformed resentment upon any serious discourse."
I also hope her cancer comes back tenfold, very soon. She adds nothing of merit to this world. I want to dance on her grave.
That's always the response from these conservative nuts. Coulter, Limbaugh, and now Ingraham all say that what they're saying is satire.
B.S.
BillO the Clown talked about Meghan and Ingraham tonight....he didn't see what the fuss was all about. It should be noted that BillO has long spoken out against name calling, which is what Ingraham did....she effectively called Meghan "fat."
Idiots.
"It should be noted that BillO has long spoken out against name calling"
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Apparently his frequent use of "pinhead" is meant as a term of endearment...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
And I'm sure that Billo's famous use of "wetback" was intended as a warm welcome to our neighbors who are crossing the border!
Oh, and I'm sure that when he refers to liberals as "far left loonies" he's really saying we're all articulate thinkers of sound minds! :P
I've never seen change without a fire
Teasing is cruel and sadistic. No one should tease another person. It's not funny. It's not meant to be funny. It's meant to be cruel.
When I associate Laura Ingram with Barbie, I think of Klaus Barbie.
I believe the republican party is trying to see if they can set Meghan up to start leading their party...
By the way John McCain also make other jokes about women , like the one on rape...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/sour...
A video on this on following web site....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZSBawx1QuA
McCain Ape Rape Joke Recalled By Sources
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growing up with a father like hers.
Imagine how Meghan, a 14 year-old girl at the time, felt when he made that 'joke' about Chelsea Clinton. Being an awkward teen is never easy, and I'll bet Meghan suffered greatly while growing up because of her father's insensitive and bullying attitude regarding females.
Ms McCain has my respect, and Ms Ingraham needs to shut up.
Meghan is HOT! Laura is NOT!
Real women have curves.
Absolutely!
NOBODY 2012
Ingraham quickly responded to McCain once again on her show, telling McCain that she needs to learn to deal with satire and “teasing.”
Excuse me Laura? We don't call that "teasing." We call that "bullying." And while we're at it, you need to brush up on what "satire" means.
...ladies like Meghan McCain fat asses to feel better about their shapeless, lifeless asses . Take a poll Laura, and ask which one of you women us guys would take. It will be one shattering experience when you learn that most of us guys would take Meghan in a heart over your wicked, self hating, used car looking ass.
Was that a crack?
This should be the theme song to the laura show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYb8Wm6-QfA
She's not dr. laura, she just likes to play one.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I have to say, I sure as heck like Meghan McCain a lot better than her father. Seems she got some of his better characteristics (bluntness), minus his more annoying ones (cruelty, myopia, arrogance, exclusionism, narrowmindedness).
Good for her. She SHOULD smack the crap of that graceless swizzle stick Ingraham. Anorexia does not equal beauty, Laura.
Who gives a fuck about any of this bullshit?
This is the kinda shit that old women gossip about at the damn beauty parlor...
Come on people...FOCUS!
Martha, would you like to see some pictures of my grandkids?
Good god, slightly more pressing matters than this, YA THINK?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCirPAayxb8&fe...
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I see your point that there's so many serious and dire issues to concentrate on, and that's why I come to C & L in the first place, but it doesn't bother me when the C & L staff delves into something non-serious or even, gasp, fun! Example here, I know nothing about sports at all, save for the fact I find it boring. So, when say, Amato does a sports post, I just find a serious thread to get into and forget about it! ;)
C & L is not turning into TMZ anytime soon, and posts like these, or ysb's more sillier comments break up all the bad news just enough so we're not all depressed! ;)
I've never seen change without a fire
I like a bit of humor too...but in this case, I don't find it very funny, really...just tedious gossip...If I want that kind of shit, I'll watch the view...which I don't, ever.
I guess in future, I will refrain from commenting on this type of thread.
And another thing I've noticed among some of the liberals on this site and on huffpo...some are absolutely enamored with this woman...sure, she's good looking...my type actually....but as soon as she speaks, all that goes out the window, she's a spoiled rich brat who's "in love with the GOP"... her words...that was enough for me...she is the enemy IMHO, and should be treated as such.
Meghan is everything that skank isnt, primarily hot and real. Her Dads politics suck, but......, but shes a beauty.
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