Malcolm Nance made it clear on AM Joy Sunday: Trump's rhetoric leads to violent behavior from some of his fans. And he knows it.
Joy Ann Reid hosted Nance and Daryle Lamont Jenkins to discuss Trump's hateful rhetoric. She first played a clip of Trump's press gaggle about the Coast Guard officer and White Nationalist Terrorist Christopher Hasson:
TRUMP: I think it is a shame when a thing like that happens. I expressed that but I'm getting a very complete briefing in about two hours.
JACKSON: Do you think you bear any responsibility for your language.
TRUMP: No, I think my language is very nice. (end video)
Reid then discussed the Coast Guard officer's terrorist plot, and asked Malcolm Nance, "Can you draw a line between the rhetoric of this president and this kind of idea? This manifesto, idea. It is also tied to something separate that is white nationalists and wanting to have a white homeland?"
NANCE: His writings and what he was basing his ideology on was a globalist, white nationalist belief, that there should be these individual knights that arm themselves, like Timothy McVeigh, and take on the establishment of liberals themselves. That was typified by Anders Behring Breivik, a Norwegian who mass-murdered 77,000 people. One by setting off a car bomb in the capital of Norway, then he killed 69 children to "eliminate the next generation of liberal leadership from Norway." He believed he would go out and carry out a run and gun attack where he would kill the liberal leadership of the United States. Granted it might have been a fantasy in his head. The probability of him getting away with that is not good, but it's not zero. That's where the problem lies. He had a side ideology in his head that -- that we're hearing every day. We had the pipe bomber try to do the same thing in a more crude fashion. This was a very dangerous circumstance that we have to be on guard for, all of the time.
Later in the segment Reid played more of Trump's rhetoric, this time at a rally:
TRUMP: I hate some of these people, but I would never kill them. I hate them. These people, I will be honest. I will be honest. I wouldn't kill them. I would never kill them, but do I hate them. Some of them are such lying and disgusting people. (end video)
REID: What do hate groups take from comments like that? What does that do inside these movements?
JENKINS: The fact that they are parodying what he says speaks to what they do and who they are. You see in this gentleman's writing that he is repeating things that Trump has engaged in. It is also the people that surround Donald Trump, that Donald Trump has surrounded himself with. You spoke of the person that Mr. Hassan was writing to, he was a notorious white nationalist that wanethnostate ethno state in the Northwest. I bring it up because there are gentlemen that are involved that are connected to folks like Roger Stone. And when you start talking about getting that close, with this kind of rhetoric, and this kind of hate mongering, we have ourselves a problem that we need to address.
REID: And you had Steve Bannon hired by Donald Trump to run his campaign and a term that Richard Spencer invented because it means white nationalism.
JENKINS: And he had a friend when he was at Duke University, as a grad student, his name Stephen Miller, and we see where that comes out -- where that comes from.
NANCE: Donald Trump constantly attacks federal law enforcement anyway, they're not exactly getting support from the top, and now you have a sense that these people even if Donald Trump doesn't mean to have it sound that way, they feel they have access. What is law enforcement to do?
That's what I want to talk about with regards to Donald Trump's tape, when he made those remarks, that is a siren to these people. He says I would not kill the media dot dot dot and he is leaving it up to the foot soldier to act as an independent actor. Carry out a fantasy in his head.